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Title: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 06, 2023, 07:44:20 PM
Do you think something will pass the the Turing test (30% of human testers think it’s human) consistently in our lifetime?  Or put differently, do you think I’m our lifetime we will have social issues about the rights of artificial life?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 06, 2023, 08:01:14 PM
My biggest concern about AI is the potential for like, literally nothing to be reliable evidence of anything. Like any photo, audio, video, video with audio…all of it could seem so real but it’s just uncanny deep fakes. The propaganda potential is terrifying. And like procedurally in a court of law…seems like just about anything other than DNA evidence could be argued  that it was AI generated bc there would be no means of authentication. To me this is equally as scary from the standpoint of opportunistic defense attorneys trying to create reasonable doubt, but also innocent people being framed bc of really good AI
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 06, 2023, 08:04:00 PM
We already have stuff passing the turing test. It's really not a good measure though to determine if something is really good. There are so many other factors in it. I think tho that we are on the cusp of something. ChatGPT was like a bomb going off and we will probably see an absolute explosion in it during the next couple of years.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: sys on March 06, 2023, 08:09:06 PM
do you think I’m our lifetime we will have social issues about the rights of artificial life?

no.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 06, 2023, 08:11:35 PM
I just hope they abide by the first law of robots which is: their eyes have to turn red before they do anything evil
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Spracne on March 06, 2023, 08:13:17 PM
My biggest concern about AI is the potential for like, literally nothing to be reliable evidence of anything. Like any photo, audio, video, video with audio…all of it could seem so real but it’s just uncanny deep fakes. The propaganda potential is terrifying. And like procedurally in a court of law…seems like just about anything other than DNA evidence could be argued  that it was AI generated bc there would be no means of authentication. To me this is equally as scary from the standpoint of opportunistic defense attorneys trying to create reasonable doubt, but also innocent people being framed bc of really good AI

Some decent posits. I wonder if this will accelerate the use of blockchain mechanisms for authentication.

I've been using AI tools for years to help with legal work. ChatGPT is on a different level though, and it's a tool that has the potential to save a LOT of time, in terms of coming up with the bones of various documents. I don't believe it's close to replacing human reasoning, because we humans are fundamentally irrational. But I could easily see it generating efficiencies that obviate the need for some X number of jobs. I'm trying to be at the vanguard of utilizing it so as not to be left behind.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 06, 2023, 08:25:15 PM
Will we ever be able to upload our consciousness into a man made machine? Would that come before or after man made artificial sentient life?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 06, 2023, 09:13:24 PM
My biggest concern about AI is the potential for like, literally nothing to be reliable evidence of anything. Like any photo, audio, video, video with audio…all of it could seem so real but it’s just uncanny deep fakes. The propaganda potential is terrifying. And like procedurally in a court of law…seems like just about anything other than DNA evidence could be argued  that it was AI generated bc there would be no means of authentication. To me this is equally as scary from the standpoint of opportunistic defense attorneys trying to create reasonable doubt, but also innocent people being framed bc of really good AI

Some decent posits. I wonder if this will accelerate the use of blockchain mechanisms for authentication.

I've been using AI tools for years to help with legal work. ChatGPT is on a different level though, and it's a tool that has the potential to save a LOT of time, in terms of coming up with the bones of various documents. I don't believe it's close to replacing human reasoning, because we humans are fundamentally irrational. But I could easily see it generating efficiencies that obviate the need for some X number of jobs. I'm trying to be at the vanguard of utilizing it so as not to be left behind.

Funny you say that, as I was typing that out I was thinking they’re going to need some kind of ledger like block chain authentication that can’t be removed. Crazy to think of a video needing the same kind of provenance as a Picasso.

Also it seems like it could go a long way in terms of taking a first pass at writing briefs, provided it gets heavily proof read and edited. But I like the idea of my counsel having more time freed up to muster my vigorous defense than the tedium of brief writing and other such minutia
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: catastrophe on March 06, 2023, 09:47:42 PM
My biggest concern about AI is the potential for like, literally nothing to be reliable evidence of anything. Like any photo, audio, video, video with audio…all of it could seem so real but it’s just uncanny deep fakes. The propaganda potential is terrifying. And like procedurally in a court of law…seems like just about anything other than DNA evidence could be argued  that it was AI generated bc there would be no means of authentication. To me this is equally as scary from the standpoint of opportunistic defense attorneys trying to create reasonable doubt, but also innocent people being framed bc of really good AI
Currently all these things have to be authenticated by sworn testimony from someone who can attest that they’re accurate representations. Doesn’t mean forgery/fraud won’t be more common, but people will always have to stick their necks on the line for it (unless/until we’re satisfied that some new technology like blockchain does the job).
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: 8manpick on March 06, 2023, 09:50:06 PM
We’re all mumped. The only question is the timeline.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 06, 2023, 10:01:26 PM
We’re all mumped. The only question is the timeline.
There is still a chance it will think we make great pets.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 06, 2023, 10:13:51 PM
My biggest concern about AI is the potential for like, literally nothing to be reliable evidence of anything. Like any photo, audio, video, video with audio…all of it could seem so real but it’s just uncanny deep fakes. The propaganda potential is terrifying. And like procedurally in a court of law…seems like just about anything other than DNA evidence could be argued  that it was AI generated bc there would be no means of authentication. To me this is equally as scary from the standpoint of opportunistic defense attorneys trying to create reasonable doubt, but also innocent people being framed bc of really good AI
Currently all these things have to be authenticated by sworn testimony from someone who can attest that they’re accurate representations. Doesn’t mean forgery/fraud won’t be more common, but people will always have to stick their necks on the line for it (unless/until we’re satisfied that some new technology like blockchain does the job).

If only perjury was more of a deterrent.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: cfbandyman on March 06, 2023, 10:25:43 PM
I don't love it, but I also don't know how you "stop" it. I mean, development will happen by people no matter what happens, I just hope we know what we're doing (not a good feeling about it)
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 07, 2023, 08:42:58 AM
one thing i don't think AI will be able to do: high fidelity forgery of hand writing.

Source: i have a Cricut and to see how that thing "writes" is wild.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: schreds21 on March 07, 2023, 08:47:09 AM
Apparently BAC is the only other person in this thread besides me who has seen any of the Terminator movies.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 07, 2023, 08:48:21 AM
That's a good point. The terminator was famously bad at forging signatures.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 07, 2023, 09:09:45 AM
That's a good point. The terminator was famously bad at forging signatures.

In the original script the terminator was supposed to be able to forge handwriting perfectly but Arnold is like, notoriously bad at forging handwriting so they had to re-write the script midflight b/c they had too much of the film already "in the can" to justify re-shooting with Lou Ferrigno as the Terminator (very good at forging handwriting).
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: MadCat on March 07, 2023, 09:17:40 AM
Mankind is just one iteration of sentient being creating a self-perpetuating artificially intelligent being which continues the cycle throughout time  :peek:
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 07, 2023, 08:48:31 PM
That's a good point. The terminator was famously bad at forging signatures.

In the original script the terminator was supposed to be able to forge handwriting perfectly but Arnold is like, notoriously bad at forging handwriting so they had to re-write the script midflight b/c they had too much of the film already "in the can" to justify re-shooting with Lou Ferrigno as the Terminator (very good at forging handwriting).
Good work here, everyone.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 07, 2023, 08:49:06 PM
Mankind is just one iteration of sentient being creating a self-perpetuating artificially intelligent being which continues the cycle throughout time  :peek:
OR ARE WE?!?!?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: passranch on March 08, 2023, 06:04:30 PM
We’re all mumped. The only question is the timeline.
There is still a chance it will think we make great pets.

I'm just here to appreciate the elite Perry Farrell reference.  Nicely done.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 08, 2023, 07:17:50 PM
We’re all mumped. The only question is the timeline.
There is still a chance it will think we make great pets.

I'm just here to appreciate the elite Perry Farrell reference.  Nicely done.
It means a lot that you noticed!
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 09, 2023, 07:44:36 AM
We’re all mumped. The only question is the timeline.
There is still a chance it will think we make great pets.

I'm just here to appreciate the elite Perry Farrell reference.  Nicely done.

Was that what they were talking about?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 09, 2023, 03:06:03 PM
We’re all mumped. The only question is the timeline.
There is still a chance it will think we make great pets.

I'm just here to appreciate the elite Perry Farrell reference.  Nicely done.

Was that what they were talking about?
Aliens, but AI works too
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on July 04, 2023, 10:44:04 AM
I’ve been listening to Lex Fridman podcasts about AI, and I have a couple more to listen to in order to round out the view points on this, but at this moment I think the best case scenario is the following:

1. Everyone is able to gain access to a personal AI (e.g one one your phone/earbuds/augmented reality glasses/etc), and there is no centralized single AI for everyone.

2. The average IQ of humans is boosted 20 - 40 points when they have access to an AI.

3. Violent crime is significantly lower in populations of higher IQ, and we realize those benefits

4. Jobs are not taken by AI.  Jobs are taken by people with AI.

5.  Terrorists with AI are stopped by good guys with with AI.



The worst case scenario is probably:

1. Centralized AI controlled by a government party. Social scoring and civil compliance is monitored by the AI.  This is bad if you are someone who deviates from the average, such as LGBTQ or a different religion from the sanctioned version.  If you are in alignment with the values of the organization who trains and aligns the AI, you could be quite content, however.

2.  Rouge States and bad actors use AI to engineer bio weapons and deploy them against rivals.  They also use AI to break encryption to steal wealth and disrupt markets.

3.  While AI may result in job growth in the long run, many could be the victims of transient unemployment as jobs are eliminated in the “laptop” class and they need to retrain or find lower wage work as laborers.

4. Possible elimination/massive reduction of the middle class, but also possible lifting of the lowest class.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: DQ12 on July 04, 2023, 07:39:29 PM
I like Lex. His voice and speaking mannerisms remind me of @bubbles
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 16, 2023, 08:54:48 PM
This seems like a big deal.

https://twitter.com/deliprao/status/1691562863171612914
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Spracne on August 16, 2023, 10:48:38 PM
This seems like a big deal.

https://twitter.com/deliprao/status/1691562863171612914

Holy crap. eff. Oh my God ...
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on August 16, 2023, 11:12:37 PM
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Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 23, 2024, 07:41:21 AM
https://decrypt.co/213244/microsoft-ceo-rabbit-r1-ai-gadget-was-most-impressive-demo-since-steve-jobs-iphone-unveiling

https://www.rabbit.tech

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I bought one. We’ll see. :dunno:
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Spracne on January 23, 2024, 02:23:02 PM
Is this something I should spend more than 15 seconds thinking about?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on January 23, 2024, 02:26:12 PM
I just bought one too.  with the learning mode, I think I could teach that sucker to automate a lot of bullshit data entry for me and maybe coordinate with my Microsoft 365 to fill out several of my custom spreadsheets for me.

If that is the case, this thing will pay for it's self in a day or two. 

Really intrigued. 
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 23, 2024, 02:41:31 PM
I will probably make it order me dinner.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 23, 2024, 02:42:07 PM
Is this something I should spend more than 15 seconds thinking about?
Probably not, but the video of its capabilities is interesting.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: MadCat on January 23, 2024, 02:43:53 PM
Can I play Doom on it?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Spracne on January 23, 2024, 02:48:42 PM
Is this food?

Can I eff it?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on January 23, 2024, 02:49:05 PM
Can I play Doom on it?

I read an article on Wired where the developer taught it to play Diablo and taught it how to best control characters to fight effectively while keeping health high.  They said you could task it to build a character and play to get it up to level for you to take over. 

Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 23, 2024, 02:56:08 PM
pro tip: use it to solve the travelling salesman problem and then you will win the $1,000,000 prize which i believe should more than pay for one of those badboys.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: wetwillie on January 23, 2024, 04:02:16 PM
I laughed at chum1 when he first mentioned ChatGPT so I'm going to reserve judgment on this one
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: passranch on January 23, 2024, 04:03:12 PM

Can I eff it?


Asking the real questions here.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on February 26, 2024, 08:49:00 AM
It can recycle!

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/this-ai-robot-garbage-picker-can-sort-over-500-types-of-trash-in-seconds
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: LickNeckey on February 26, 2024, 10:58:50 AM
used AI to make coloring sheets for my kids over the weekend

oh you want and elephant / alligator hybrid to color?

no fuckin problem
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 01, 2024, 10:24:54 AM
What the eff is Elon up to with this lawsuit against OpenAI?

Personally, I do not think Elon is capable of human empathy, so I don’t buy his claims of suing on behalf of humanity.  I think he wants to slow a competitor down and/or pursue personal grievances.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on March 01, 2024, 03:56:30 PM
I saw a company yesterday called Good Sheep, or something like that. They have a yard bot that uses AI to trim, weed, and blow leaves by itself.

This is exactly what we should be using it for
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 01, 2024, 04:02:34 PM
What the eff is Elon up to with this lawsuit against OpenAI?

Personally, I do not think Elon is capable of human empathy, so I don’t buy his claims of suing on behalf of humanity.  I think he wants to slow a competitor down and/or pursue personal grievances.

not sure even the most badass lawsuit can slow down AI. 

Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on March 01, 2024, 04:47:43 PM
What the eff is Elon up to with this lawsuit against OpenAI?

Personally, I do not think Elon is capable of human empathy, so I don’t buy his claims of suing on behalf of humanity.  I think he wants to slow a competitor down and/or pursue personal grievances.

not sure even the most badass lawsuit can slow down AI.

Open AI is writing an AI lawyer Bot right now and it is going to pants Elon's non AI lawyers. 
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 01, 2024, 11:04:48 PM
How long before sexbots?  In our lifetime?  I doubt it. They are growing meat in labs now, so maybe they can grow skin to make a realistic bot someday. Until then I think it will first just be guys in their mom’s basement having sex with things that look like robo cop.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 01, 2024, 11:07:45 PM
Will probably start as an attachment for domestic cleaning and landscaping bots.

Imagine the impact on social norms.

Will people rent them like a cleaning service? Come over, vacuum the rugs and your genitalia? So weird.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on March 02, 2024, 07:51:42 AM
As long as I do t have to weed and trim ever again, that would be fine.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 02, 2024, 09:57:53 AM
I think about AI constantly. Not about how it’s done or how to align it with human values or anything like that….just about all the things in my life I am willing to say “AI take the wheel.”  Which would literally include AI taking the wheel while I play Xbox in a recliner in the back of the van.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on March 02, 2024, 10:34:50 AM
I just want to be able to yell at it like an old man that doesn't understand things, and gets confused easily, and have the AI do the exact thing I wanted, exactly how I wanted it. 
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 08, 2024, 09:51:33 AM
This is indisputably the most interesting time to be alive in human history.

Imagine the convergence over the next 20 years on so many things that are exploding:


1. Generative AI

2. Quantum Computing

3. Fusion power

4. Medical breakthroughs such as mRNA and dna tech

5. Optical recognition tech (e.g. advancements from the self driving research)

6. Robotics tech (e.g the cool crap Boston Dynamics and others have been doing)

7. Space tech

8. Connectivity with wireless tech (e.g. 5G) and continued fiber build out

9. Battery technology (e.g solid state, etc.)


What an amazing rough ridin' time to be alive.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 08, 2024, 10:03:16 AM
Pete being amazed that technology continues to grow exponentially is a lot of fun.

Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 08, 2024, 10:38:39 AM
Pete being amazed that technology continues to grow exponentially is a lot of fun.
Cross post with the non-political economy thread, but we really do have some great potential to expand productivity tremendously.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 23, 2024, 02:59:58 PM
My son plays Helldivers (I can’t because I was raised Xbox) and they have this political system called managed democracy. Here’s what it is…

“Super earth is run on "managed" democracy, meaning all elections and voting is Al assisted. Each voting person is surveyed by the Al about their beleifs, desires, opinions and then helps them vote for the right people by doing it for them”

That’s a really handy use for artificial intelligence.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 23, 2024, 03:11:26 PM
Who controls the artificial intelligence? Or is it just self realized and writes its own code?


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Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on March 23, 2024, 03:22:58 PM
Can you preset it to act on hatred of a specific group and little man syndrome?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Spracne on March 23, 2024, 03:31:32 PM
Can you preset it to act on hatred of a specific group and little man syndrome?

 :)
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 23, 2024, 04:04:54 PM
Can you preset it to act on hatred of a specific group and little man syndrome?

Better yet, can the platform proactively erase those that are constantly enraged because they don't get their way at all times and because others may not agree with them (an exception for young children and adolescents of course)