Artificial Intelligence

[Pete]

So as the Chinese software gets big, and as it has use cases developed, they’re gonna offer it for a song to the entirety of the world, and as the entirety of the world starts to get nice and comfortable with that Chinese software China will do with that whatever they want and not think twice about itthey’re not required to think twice about it. They don’t have pesky people asking questions about whether the use of AI is appropriate or not.

[Pete]

After computing horsepower there’s two main parts of AI. The first is training data and the second is what they call alignment. Alignment can also be thought of as regulating which questions it can answer or which stuff you can talk about.

I would prefer if the AI that the world uses was trained on the same type of training data that AI has access to in America, and I would hope that the AI that the world uses is aligned with the world view of the AI that is developed in America

[Pete]

China is not some perfect, benevolent actor. They are self-interested too. The question is what to do.

As far as IP and AI, lmao the whole thing is built on stolen IP. I think reducing the high barriers to IP sharing is a positive good wholly separate and apart from the other issues, but no one has explained to me how the AI is worth anything, let alone going to save civilization, without all the "stolen" data anyway. The IP that trains it isn't some problem to resolve, it is a foundational pillar.

you’ve repeated a really important point about AI and its foundation being built on a collective data set.  we don’t live in a world that shares data and as soon as we figure out how to build those walls to prevent stolen IP, the better

I agree

Wait, just so I understand, you guys are against open source software development? That's really absurd, if so.

Llama is open source. Root for that one to win

[Pete]

But remember open source does not mean that you get to have access to all of the underlying training data and it does not mean that you get access to it’s alignment protocols what you get access to is connecting to it and how it can connect and the types of queries and other technical items that you want to develop in conjunction with the AI

[pissclams]

China is not some perfect, benevolent actor. They are self-interested too. The question is what to do.

As far as IP and AI, lmao the whole thing is built on stolen IP. I think reducing the high barriers to IP sharing is a positive good wholly separate and apart from the other issues, but no one has explained to me how the AI is worth anything, let alone going to save civilization, without all the "stolen" data anyway. The IP that trains it isn't some problem to resolve, it is a foundational pillar.

you’ve repeated a really important point about AI and its foundation being built on a collective data set.  we don’t live in a world that shares data and as soon as we figure out how to build those walls to prevent stolen IP, the better

I agree

Wait, just so I understand, you guys are against open source software development? That's really absurd, if so.

of course not.  it’s the data used to develop the llm that’s the issue.

[Pete]

https://x.com/satyanadella/status/1883753899255046301?s=46&t=3dr3KCNJf6FX0PfdU2jK9g

[Kat Kid]

China is not some perfect, benevolent actor. They are self-interested too. The question is what to do.

As far as IP and AI, lmao the whole thing is built on stolen IP. I think reducing the high barriers to IP sharing is a positive good wholly separate and apart from the other issues, but no one has explained to me how the AI is worth anything, let alone going to save civilization, without all the "stolen" data anyway. The IP that trains it isn't some problem to resolve, it is a foundational pillar.

you’ve repeated a really important point about AI and its foundation being built on a collective data set.  we don’t live in a world that shares data and as soon as we figure out how to build those walls to prevent stolen IP, the better

We live in a world where a tremendous amount of profit is derived from IP that is or should be open source and artificial walls are constructed for profit/rent seeking. I'm primarily thinking of academic research, but also scientific research that is government funded.

I understand that companies can and should be able to profit from their innovations and protect their own IP, but there is a TON of IP that is just rent seeking whether illegal or not ala Martin Shkreli.

[CHONGS]

OpenAI released o3-mini this afternoon in a panic move

[Pete]

OpenAI released o3-mini this afternoon in a panic move

Definitely agree on the panic move.

[CNS]

I have had GPT pro for about a year and mess with it a bunch. I just opened it, switched the model to the o3, and asked it how the new release will benefit me given what it knows of me.

It asked me what 03 was and what software I was referring to, and then asked me to remind it what I like and dislike.  So, hide your wives and kids I guess.  AI is here to rule us.

[CHONGS]

These reasoning models are neat, but they'll still fall in a heap without access to computational tools and real data sources.

[chum1]

BBC tested a bunch of chatbots used as news source:

- 51% have issues with answers
- 19% fabricate fake statistics / info
- 13% fabricate fake quotes or alter them

This is exactly what you expect from a random word blender being used as a source of information.

https://bsky.app/profile/ketanjoshi.co/post/3lhvot5tnl22s

[Pete]

I think that might be outdated. The newer “reasoning” models have come a long way.

[Pete]

These reasoning models are neat, but they'll still fall in a heap without access to computational tools and real data sources.

That’s definitely the argument for open source, or at least the vision….bring able to plug them into a wider array of those things without every single one of them needing to be officially approved by a closed source traffic cop.

[Pete]

When I first heard about Elon’s bid to purchase Open AI people said it seemed like an attempt to merely slow Open AI down. However, he cites a pretty serious group of VC and PE firms as being onboard.

It’s still pretty likely to merely be an attempt to slow Open AI down, but does illuminate who is on whose side.

[Stupid Fitz]

I have a chat gpt recipe for a pork loin in the sous vide right now. should I be concerned?

[Cire]

I have a chat gpt recipe for a pork loin in the sous vide right now. should I be concerned?

What did it tell you?

[Stupid Fitz]

I have a chat gpt recipe for a pork loin in the sous vide right now. should I be concerned?

What did it tell you?

throw it uncovered in the bathtub for 17 hours

[CNS]

When I first heard about Elon’s bid to purchase Open AI people said it seemed like an attempt to merely slow Open AI down. However, he cites a pretty serious group of VC and PE firms as being onboard.

It’s still pretty likely to merely be an attempt to slow Open AI down, but does illuminate who is on whose side.

Even before the DOGE bullshit, I thought Elon had too much ability to harm as a private citizen. There is no way he should be allowed to buy OpenAI. If folks don’t see that now, watch out.

[Pete]

When I first heard about Elon’s bid to purchase Open AI people said it seemed like an attempt to merely slow Open AI down. However, he cites a pretty serious group of VC and PE firms as being onboard.

It’s still pretty likely to merely be an attempt to slow Open AI down, but does illuminate who is on whose side.

Even before the DOGE bullshit, I thought Elon had too much ability to harm as a private citizen. There is no way he should be allowed to buy OpenAI. If folks don’t see that now, watch out.

Unfortunately, the folks deciding are not going to object.

[wetwillie]

How much is OpenAI worth?

[pissclams]

When I first heard about Elon’s bid to purchase Open AI people said it seemed like an attempt to merely slow Open AI down. However, he cites a pretty serious group of VC and PE firms as being onboard.

It’s still pretty likely to merely be an attempt to slow Open AI down, but does illuminate who is on whose side.

there is no one on our side

[CNS]

I agree there is no one on our side, but I think it is good to have multiple competitors rather than consolidating.

[Pete]

I agree there is no one on our side, but I think it is good to have multiple competitors rather than consolidating.

Totally agree

[pissclams]

I agree there is no one on our side, but I think it is good to have multiple competitors rather than consolidating.

they’re all just jockeying for the same thing so maybe i’m obtuse but I don’t see why it ultimately matters.  they are one.