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Re: Coach Prime
« Reply #100 on: February 27, 2023, 07:50:43 AM »
This thread was always going to teeter on the verge of a PIT thread, unfortunately, so I will do my best to try and keep it out of the pit.

I wonder, is the problem that he THOUGHT it, or the problem that he SAID it?   I have no problem with either thing he said. 

He never commented on the race of the player, yet all of the comments under the tweet seems to imply that he did.   :frown:

Unfortunately we live in the world of the Pit.

He didn't explicitly mention race, but how often have you heard someone discussing a white player mention the number of parents at home? It's like calling the player "well spoken".

Also even if the D-lineman with a single mom is white, there's something gross about explicitly wanting someone desperate for a certain position. And the laughing feels cringey
I get it. He’s obviously exaggerating though.  No one on earth who understands football thinks that Prime is going to turn down a single mother 5 star QB or a honor student DT.

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Re: Coach Prime
« Reply #101 on: February 27, 2023, 07:53:28 AM »
Nor is he really thinking of those factors within the top handful of features when watching recruiting film or attending HS games and camps.


Zero chance he watches a beautiful spiral and says “HOW MANY PARENTS?!?”   Zero chance he watches two blocks get eaten up and pushed 5 yards deep and says “IS HE POOR?”

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Re: Coach Prime
« Reply #102 on: February 27, 2023, 08:36:21 AM »
Nor is he really thinking of those factors within the top handful of features when watching recruiting film or attending HS games and camps.


Zero chance he watches a beautiful spiral and says “HOW MANY PARENTS?!?”   Zero chance he watches two blocks get eaten up and pushed 5 yards deep and says “IS HE POOR?”

Then why say it?

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Re: Coach Prime
« Reply #103 on: February 27, 2023, 08:39:20 AM »
Nor is he really thinking of those factors within the top handful of features when watching recruiting film or attending HS games and camps.


Zero chance he watches a beautiful spiral and says “HOW MANY PARENTS?!?”   Zero chance he watches two blocks get eaten up and pushed 5 yards deep and says “IS HE POOR?”

Then why say it?
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Re: Coach Prime
« Reply #104 on: February 27, 2023, 08:52:20 AM »
all of this will always be about deion, nothing more and nothing less.  the man has always had a giant ego and always will.  he says these things to get the attention.

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Re: Coach Prime
« Reply #105 on: February 27, 2023, 09:37:12 AM »
For selfish reasons I hope good players in Colorado don't like what they hear and come to K-State instead.

K-State already got a commit from a pretty highly rated QB out of Colorado.  As an aside, this getting commits out of highly rated to very highly rated QB's every recruiting class is just some kind of voodoo magic.

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Re: Coach Prime
« Reply #106 on: February 27, 2023, 09:44:33 AM »
This thread was always going to teeter on the verge of a PIT thread, unfortunately, so I will do my best to try and keep it out of the pit.

I wonder, is the problem that he THOUGHT it, or the problem that he SAID it?   I have no problem with either thing he said. 

He never commented on the race of the player, yet all of the comments under the tweet seems to imply that he did.   :frown:

Pete, a dog whistle is a dog whistle, regardless of the race of the person blowing it.

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Re: Coach Prime
« Reply #107 on: February 27, 2023, 09:51:37 AM »
all of this will always be about deion, nothing more and nothing less.  the man has always had a giant ego and always will.  he says these things to get the attention.

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Re: Coach Prime
« Reply #108 on: February 27, 2023, 09:53:09 AM »
This thread was always going to teeter on the verge of a PIT thread, unfortunately, so I will do my best to try and keep it out of the pit.

I wonder, is the problem that he THOUGHT it, or the problem that he SAID it?   I have no problem with either thing he said. 

He never commented on the race of the player, yet all of the comments under the tweet seems to imply that he did.   :frown:

Unfortunately we live in the world of the Pit.

He didn't explicitly mention race, but how often have you heard someone discussing a white player mention the number of parents at home? It's like calling the player "well spoken".

Also even if the D-lineman with a single mom is white, there's something gross about explicitly wanting someone desperate for a certain position. And the laughing feels cringey
I get it. He’s obviously exaggerating though.  No one on earth who understands football thinks that Prime is going to turn down a single mother 5 star QB or a honor student DT.

Don't know if you did it on purpose or not, but you just made the perfect argument as to why it was really stupid for him to say that. He's feeding silly stereotypes, without even getting into the obvious dog whistles. I would sincerely hope that he doesn't actually think that poor kids can't be smart enough to be quarterback and smart kids can't be tough enough to be a d-lineman.

I'm not sure why you're willing to give him credit for not acting on the way he thinks. He's literally don't nothing to prove that he doesn't act on those thoughts. It's not like it would be wild for a football coach to think like that. We read and see stories every single year, around draft time, about NFL scouts and front office personnel who have that mentality. We've seen and heard a lot of problematic things and thought processes from Deion, you can give him the unearned benefit of the doubt if you want to, I won't.

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Re: Coach Prime
« Reply #109 on: February 27, 2023, 09:54:44 AM »
all of this will always be about deion, nothing more and nothing less.  the man has always had a giant ego and always will.  he says these things to get the attention.

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At what point does him saying things and behaving in ways in which a piece of crap would before it stops being about him doing things for his brand and it's just him being a piece of crap?

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Re: Coach Prime
« Reply #110 on: February 27, 2023, 10:01:27 AM »
all of this will always be about deion, nothing more and nothing less.  the man has always had a giant ego and always will.  he says these things to get the attention.

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At what point does him saying things and behaving in ways in which a piece of crap would before it stops being about him doing things for his brand and it's just him being a piece of crap?

I don’t have any problem saying he’s a piece of crap, I think that’s a fair statement. 
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Re: Coach Prime
« Reply #111 on: February 27, 2023, 10:16:56 AM »
he's 100% a piece of crap, i don't think that's up for debate. 

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Re: Coach Prime
« Reply #112 on: February 27, 2023, 10:30:45 AM »
I agree with you guys. 


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Re: Coach Prime
« Reply #113 on: February 27, 2023, 10:31:55 AM »
It's too bad he didn't simply say "We need smart guys for QB, but we don't really care how smart our DT's are."

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Re: Coach Prime
« Reply #114 on: February 27, 2023, 10:57:33 AM »
I don't even think you need smart QBs, in the book smart sense anyway. "They" say the smartest guys on the field are the offense linemen.

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Coach Prime
« Reply #115 on: February 27, 2023, 12:37:50 PM »
I don't even think you need smart QBs, in the book smart sense anyway. "They" say the smartest guys on the field are the offense linemen.
Totally agree.  Many, many different types of intelligence. Most people incorrectly assume that verbal communication skills indicate intelligence in all areas of life.  Lots of people can put together very sophisticated plans and execute complex tasks fast without being able to easily string two sentences together in a conversation.

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Re: Coach Prime
« Reply #116 on: February 27, 2023, 01:10:03 PM »
Totally agree.  Many, many different types of intelligence. Most people incorrectly assume that verbal communication skills indicate intelligence in all areas of life.  Lots of people can put together very sophisticated plans and execute complex tasks fast without being able to easily string two sentences together in a conversation.

qbs don't even have to make any plans, just listen to coaches. not really any problem solving is needed, i'd guess they just need to be good at memorizing, learning how to read and react, and not freak out under pressure. definitely not easy, but seems way more about effort and experience than intelligence.

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Re: Coach Prime
« Reply #117 on: February 27, 2023, 01:40:11 PM »
Yeah I think being a good QB requires a lot of things happening very quickly between the ears.  But I don't think that type of intelligence necessarily translates to being a great student or anything. 


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Re: Coach Prime
« Reply #118 on: February 27, 2023, 01:44:48 PM »
if a qb is even thinking while a play is going on their ass is getting blasted

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Re: Coach Prime
« Reply #119 on: February 27, 2023, 04:08:44 PM »
Prime Time's comments sounds like something Bear Bryant would have said to John McKay in private over cocktails after a round of golf in 1971.



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Re: Coach Prime
« Reply #120 on: February 27, 2023, 05:31:48 PM »
Totally agree.  Many, many different types of intelligence. Most people incorrectly assume that verbal communication skills indicate intelligence in all areas of life.  Lots of people can put together very sophisticated plans and execute complex tasks fast without being able to easily string two sentences together in a conversation.

qbs don't even have to make any plans, just listen to coaches. not really any problem solving is needed, i'd guess they just need to be good at memorizing, learning how to read and react, and not freak out under pressure. definitely not easy, but seems way more about effort and experience than intelligence.

I mean those terms in a way that is not quite so literal. I am saying that they need the cognitive power to understand a great many things very quickly. Lots of if-then statements. 

I do believe that requires rapid planning (down and distance alternatives, audibles, etc.) and improvisation skills. Those are all types of thinking and types of intelligence.


Though, obviously you can compensate if you have very high abilities in other areas (e.g. arm strength, speed, agility, etc.).

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Re: Coach Prime
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Re: Coach Prime
« Reply #122 on: July 26, 2023, 06:10:13 AM »
I didn't want to say this, but after listening to and seeing him on tweeter I got the opinion that JC is a nerd with a punchable face.
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Re: Coach Prime
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Re: Coach Prime
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