2024 Presidential Race

[cfbandyman]

Been seeing way more confident libs this week on Twitter. They think Trump's internal polls are showing him getting his ass kicked in Pennsylvania and I think a lot of the early vote is more heavily favoring Dems. But we'll see

Even the story about the Obama guy recently being routed I think helps Kamala. Pubs have been pushing early voting hard and it's so far not seeing too much huge for trump. It's also though a hard read. But Nate silver seems to be seeing some positive signs for Kamala.

I still think to a degree this close race is somewhat overblown to keep people glued and a lot of internal polling has it over for one of them

[Pete]

I guess the cult of personality/spectacle seems to be becoming more of a problem, not less.

The Freedom caucus has gone from a bunch of guys that looked and sounded like Ron Paul and Thomas Massie to being a lot more MAGA freaks who just want to be Pro-Trump and don't really care about the gold standard and weird maritime laws like the original libertarian freaks.

I think that is worth noting.

Well, Trump is still around and becoming more of a spectacle, so I think that's kind of expected. 

My theory is that the Republican party becomes more reasonable - at least as far as rhetoric and the other distinctly "MAGA" elements we've discussed go - once Trump (the element driving this phenomenon) is out of the picture. 

That said, I 100% guarantee that whoever is the Republican nominee in 2028 will be labeled "worse than Trump!" for whatever reason (notwithstanding the current "threat to democracy" rhetoric). But yeah, I think "MAGA" as we've discussed it, dies when Trump exits the stage -- or at least after the following cycle if someone tries to imitate it.

I doubt the 2028 nominee will be accused of being a threat to democracy on the grounds that they tried to overturn a legitimate election and continue to deny the legitimacy of the American election process. Unless of course the nominee is Trump again, which Trump will undoubtedly attempt to be.

[mocat]

I guess the cult of personality/spectacle seems to be becoming more of a problem, not less.

The Freedom caucus has gone from a bunch of guys that looked and sounded like Ron Paul and Thomas Massie to being a lot more MAGA freaks who just want to be Pro-Trump and don't really care about the gold standard and weird maritime laws like the original libertarian freaks.

I think that is worth noting.

Well, Trump is still around and becoming more of a spectacle, so I think that's kind of expected. 

My theory is that the Republican party becomes more reasonable - at least as far as rhetoric and the other distinctly "MAGA" elements we've discussed go - once Trump (the element driving this phenomenon) is out of the picture. 

That said, I 100% guarantee that whoever is the Republican nominee in 2028 will be labeled "worse than Trump!" for whatever reason (notwithstanding the current "threat to democracy" rhetoric). But yeah, I think "MAGA" as we've discussed it, dies when Trump exits the stage -- or at least after the following cycle if someone tries to imitate it.

I doubt the 2028 nominee will be accused of being a threat to democracy on the grounds that they tried to overturn a legitimate election and continue to deny the legitimacy of the American election process. Unless of course the nominee is Trump again, which Trump will undoubtedly attempt to be.

DLew didn't specify who would be doing the labeling

[star seed 7]

Maga will control the party until he dies. If he's alive in '28 I don't see any reason he wouldn't be the nominee again even if he won tomorrow.

[steve dave]

It’s so fuckin’ gross


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[steve dave]

Have we considered finding a voting base that simply doesn’t do that!? We are stuck with the worst humans on the planet and pandering to them not being able to have sex is not high on my republican priority. How did these people be our base!?


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[steve dave]

I mean, finding a leader I guess. Ben Sasse unfortunately isn’t walking through that door.


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[steve dave]

Rush Limbaugh didn’t die from lung cancer horrifically for you. He hated you irl.


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[DQ12]

I guess the cult of personality/spectacle seems to be becoming more of a problem, not less.

The Freedom caucus has gone from a bunch of guys that looked and sounded like Ron Paul and Thomas Massie to being a lot more MAGA freaks who just want to be Pro-Trump and don't really care about the gold standard and weird maritime laws like the original libertarian freaks.

I think that is worth noting.

Well, Trump is still around and becoming more of a spectacle, so I think that's kind of expected. 

My theory is that the Republican party becomes more reasonable - at least as far as rhetoric and the other distinctly "MAGA" elements we've discussed go - once Trump (the element driving this phenomenon) is out of the picture. 

That said, I 100% guarantee that whoever is the Republican nominee in 2028 will be labeled "worse than Trump!" for whatever reason (notwithstanding the current "threat to democracy" rhetoric). But yeah, I think "MAGA" as we've discussed it, dies when Trump exits the stage -- or at least after the following cycle if someone tries to imitate it.

I doubt the 2028 nominee will be accused of being a threat to democracy on the grounds that they tried to overturn a legitimate election and continue to deny the legitimacy of the American election process. Unless of course the nominee is Trump again, which Trump will undoubtedly attempt to be.

Whomever else, it’ll be “he’s Trump, but a more profound threat.”  We already saw it with DeSantis in the primary this year.

Either way, I think 2028 Republican campaign will be a different flavor from what we’ve described as “MAGA” in this FB thread.

[nicname]

The main campaign angle for the dems will be that whoever the pub candidate is is “scary” for the foreseeable future, especially if Harris wins this time around.

To be fair, that’s basically the campaign angle the pubs use vs the dems as well.

[steve dave]

You should be part of the solution dlew


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[steve dave]

The main campaign angle for the dems will be that whoever the pub candidate is is “scary” for the foreseeable future, especially if Harris wins this time around.

To be fair, that’s basically the campaign angle the pubs use vs the dems as well.

How is Harris scary? Aren’t we in the best place economically in your life? We are btw.


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[steve dave]

Would really suck if we continued this incredible life altering bull run I guess, you idiots


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[nicname]

The main campaign angle for the dems will be that whoever the pub candidate is is “scary” for the foreseeable future, especially if Harris wins this time around.

To be fair, that’s basically the campaign angle the pubs use vs the dems as well.

How is Harris scary? Aren’t we in the best place economically in your life? We are btw.


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I’m saying she is being sold as scary. Fear is a great motivator.

Pick a topic. Most of the things the left is cheering, a lot of people on the right are scared of and vice versa.

[steve dave]

What’s the scariest thing in your opinion?


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[steve dave]

I have irl responsibilities and two kids off school because they go to polling places so just whenever Nic!


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[nicname]

What’s the scariest thing in your opinion?


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We’re not talking about me, but imo the most important development in this presidential election is all of the worst people in the world throwing their support to Harris; the Dick and Liz Cheneys, Bill Kristols, William Websters of, etc. of the world.

That Harris is more palatable to the war party neocons/neolibs is most concerning to me.

As for this things many republicans/conservatives, especially social conservatives are scared of?

Wanton immigration
Gender stuff, especially in schools
Increased access to abortion, in vitro fertilization, surrogate pregnancies, especially for gay men, etc
Mandates and lockdowns
Communism


 

[nicname]

I have irl responsibilities and two kids off school because they go to polling places so just whenever Nic!


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Wouldn’t want to waste your valuable time, Adam.

[Rage Against the McKee]

You just don't like, follow, and subscribe to the right news sources, steve dave.

[steve dave]

What’s the scariest thing in your opinion?


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We’re not talking about me, but imo the most important development in this presidential election is all of the worst people in the world throwing their support to Harris; the Dick and Liz Cheneys, Bill Kristols, William Websters of, etc. of the world.

That Harris is more palatable to the war party neocons/neolibs is most concerning to me.

As for this things many republicans/conservatives, especially social conservatives are scared of?

Wanton immigration
Gender stuff, especially in schools
Increased access to abortion, in vitro fertilization, surrogate pregnancies, especially for gay men, etc
Mandates and lockdowns
Communism

Oh god, yeah, vote Trump brother. Good fuckin’ lord.


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[nicname]

What’s the scariest thing in your opinion?


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We’re not talking about me, but imo the most important development in this presidential election is all of the worst people in the world throwing their support to Harris; the Dick and Liz Cheneys, Bill Kristols, William Websters of, etc. of the world.

That Harris is more palatable to the war party neocons/neolibs is most concerning to me.

As for this things many republicans/conservatives, especially social conservatives are scared of?

Wanton immigration
Gender stuff, especially in schools
Increased access to abortion, in vitro fertilization, surrogate pregnancies, especially for gay men, etc
Mandates and lockdowns
Communism

Oh god, yeah, vote Trump brother. Good fuckin’ lord.


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Do you think those things aren’t scary to a good portion of republicans/conservatives?

[steve dave]

If they believe they are then they have massive internal/emotional problems imo. and voting for anyone won’t help them.


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[waks]

totally non-scientific observation from pretty extensive trick or treating in the wealthiest parts of JOCO - the suburbs are going to bring it home for harris on election day.  The yard sign ratio is 10-1

Manhattan looks the same way. Only problem is you still see plenty of Brad Starnes signs. Everywhere you see a Starnes sign lurks a Trump voter, just too embarrassed to put up a Trump sign.

[michigancat]

What’s the scariest thing in your opinion?


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We’re not talking about me, but imo the most important development in this presidential election is all of the worst people in the world throwing their support to Harris; the Dick and Liz Cheneys, Bill Kristols, William Websters of, etc. of the world.

That Harris is more palatable to the war party neocons/neolibs is most concerning to me.

As for this things many republicans/conservatives, especially social conservatives are scared of?

Wanton immigration
Gender stuff, especially in schools
Increased access to abortion, in vitro fertilization, surrogate pregnancies, especially for gay men, etc
Mandates and lockdowns
Communism

Oh god, yeah, vote Trump brother. Good fuckin’ lord.


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Do you think those things aren’t scary to a good portion of republicans/conservatives?

you forgot "DEI"

[wetwillie]

Too early to start the Harris Presidency thread or nah?