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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3550 on: October 24, 2024, 04:12:01 PM »
Milley?


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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3552 on: October 24, 2024, 04:16:05 PM »

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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3553 on: October 24, 2024, 04:37:44 PM »
People testing their platforms and donating with untraceable Visa Gift Cards etc. etc.

#blueanon: A perpetual foreign election interference machine . . .

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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3554 on: October 24, 2024, 05:12:03 PM »
Speaker Johnson should rush his ass to Washington and get a bill through the house that resolves election donations. I mean, he is one of three people in the country that need to be involved in this. He can actually do more than simp for Don and whine about Dems.

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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3555 on: October 24, 2024, 05:23:04 PM »
He sure should . . . in the interim your party needs to immediately cease and desist from bringing foreign election interference into our sacred electoral process . . . again (and again and again)


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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3557 on: October 25, 2024, 08:37:33 AM »
Friends,

My young and attractive mother recognized Henry Wallace — who had been Franklin D. Roosevelt’s vice president from March 1941 to January 1945 — in the South Salem, New York, post office one day and summoned the courage to introduce herself and her three-year-old son.

Wallace invited us to tea on his large porch. I remember him as a kindly old man with a bright shock of white hair who pulled me up onto his lap while spending what seemed interminable hours talking to my mother. She was thrilled. I was bored.

After we left, she told me Henry Wallace was a great man, and that someday most Americans would agree. But when my mother mentioned to a neighbor that we had tea on Wallace’s porch and I had sat on his lap, the neighbor was horrified. She called him a communist.

Wallace was not a communist. He was a champion of democracy and fierce opponent of American fascism. He saw what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and feared the same could happen in America. He worried that an unprincipled sociopath with a gift for marketing and self-promotion could turn some Americans into violent bullies if they felt abandoned and angry enough. 

With Roosevelt’s encouragement, Wallace spoke out against American fascism. “The dangerous American fascist is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way,” Wallace wrote in his landmark essay “The Danger of American Fascism,” published in The New York Times Magazine on April 9, 1944.

Wallace’s thoughts and words are even more relevant today than they were then. Here are additional excerpts:

A fascist is one whose lust for money or power is combined with such an intensity of intolerance toward those of other races, parties, classes, religions, cultures, regions, or nations as to make him ruthless in his use of deceit or violence to attain his ends.…

The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power.…

It has been claimed at times that our modern age of technology facilitates dictatorship. What we must understand is that the industries, processes, and inventions created by modern science can be used either to subjugate or liberate. The choice is up to us.…

The American fascists are most easily recognized by their deliberate perversion of truth and fact. Their newspapers and propaganda carefully cultivate every fissure of disunity, every crack in the common front against fascism. They use every opportunity to impugn democracy. They use isolationism as a slogan to conceal their own selfish imperialism.… They claim to be superpatriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interests.…

Still another danger is represented by those who, paying lip service to democracy and the common welfare, in their insatiable greed for money and the power which money gives, do not hesitate surreptitiously to evade the laws designed to safeguard the public from monopolistic extortion.…

Monopolists who fear competition and who distrust democracy because it stands for equal opportunity would like to secure their position against small and energetic enterprise. In an effort to eliminate the possibility of any rival growing up, some monopolists would sacrifice democracy itself….

Their final objective toward which all their deceit is directed is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection.

Wallace saw the connection between Hitler’s preachments about racial “purity” and the language of Southern segregationists who spoke of a master race. “Those who fan the fires of racial clashes for the purpose of making political capital here at home are taking the first step toward Nazism,” he warned. And “the second step toward fascism is the destruction of labor unions.”

To avert the rise of American fascism, Wallace argued that America must champion “the democracy of the common man,” embracing “not just the Bill of Rights but also economic democracy, ethnic democracy, educational democracy, and democracy in the treatment of the sexes.”

Wallace scorned the America First rhetoric that was being mouthed by prominent Democrats as well as Republicans. “We must remember that down through the ages one of the most popular political devices has been to blame economic and other troubles on some minority group,” he said. “The survival and strength of American democracy are proof that it has succeeded by its deeds thus far,” he continued:

But we all know that it contains the seeds of failure. I for one will not be confident of the continued survival of American democracy if millions of unskilled workers are condemned to [near poverty] all their lives, with no place in our industrial system. I will not be confident of the survival of our democracy if half our people must be below the line of a decent nutrition [and] if most of our children continue to be reared in surroundings where poverty is highest, and education is lowest.

Wallace called for massive investment in job creation, education, social services, and peacemaking.

Because Wallace was increasingly seen as too sympathetic to Soviet Russia and the Democratic Party bosses couldn’t control him, FDR was forced to drop him from the ticket in the 1944 election in favor of a little-known Missouri senator and former haberdasher named Harry Truman, whom they assumed they could control. FDR died in 1945, and Truman became president.

As the midterm elections of 1946 loomed, Wallace feared that without a strong progressive message and platform, Democrats would not be able to mobilize their base to beat the Republicans. He warned that “if the Democrats fail to control the Eightieth Congress there is only one way in which we get control again and that is by becoming more progressive.”

He was correct. The Democrats’ abandonment of progressive populism and the redistributionist policies FDR championed did much to destroy the New Deal coalition that had spawned leaders like Wallace.

In the first midterm election of Truman’s presidency, the Democrats lost control of both the House and the Senate for the first time since Herbert Hoover occupied the Oval Office in 1932. Wisconsin ended its era of progressive Republicanism and sent Joe McCarthy to the Senate. California replaced New Dealer Jerry Voorhis in the House with a young Republican lawyer who had already figured out how to use red baiting as a political tool: Richard Nixon.

Now, 76 years later, America faces the real possibility of electing Donald Trump — a man who John F. Kelly, the former Marine general who was Trump’s longest-serving chief of staff, says meets the definition of a fascist.


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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3558 on: October 25, 2024, 09:01:09 AM »
John Kelly was fired by Trump . . . and now people who know Kelly are speaking out.  Phrases like Napoleonic Complex are prevalent . . . but we've all seen this movie before.

Suddenly out of no where #blueanon has wrapped itself up in the Flag (opportunistically) and now believes everything former military, intelligence and law enforcement tells them . . . as long as it's anti-Trump.

You've got the ol war hag Hillary Clinton out there screaming about Nazi's (as always) . . . the women who wrecked countries to the point beyond all recognition and laughed about it. While more than a decade later people in those countries still suffer death and displacement from the chaos and upheaval she helped create. The same women who facilitated and protected her pedophile sexual predator husband.

John Kelly sits on the board of a company with a highly vested interest in seeing wars go on forever . . . and they are currently fully signed up to profit off the UkroGrift.

As I mentioned earlier, when you look at the list of sponsors on the UkroGrift symposium I posted . . . the prior iterations of #blueanon would have lost their rough ridin' mind and been screaming about war criminals and war profiteers etc. etc.



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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3559 on: October 25, 2024, 10:22:14 AM »
Just to be clear, when it's Kelly's word vs. Trump's word, you believe Trump is the more credible source?

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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3560 on: October 25, 2024, 10:22:45 AM »


The American fascists are most easily recognized by their deliberate perversion of truth and fact. Their newspapers and propaganda carefully cultivate every fissure of disunity, every crack in the common front against fascism. They use every opportunity to impugn democracy. They use isolationism as a slogan to conceal their own selfish imperialism.… They claim to be superpatriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interests.…

This sounds incredibly familiar....

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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3561 on: October 25, 2024, 11:15:37 AM »
The above posts from people supporting a party who completely blew up their "democratic" process of nominating a presidential candidate because they were afraid they were going to lose.  :thumbsup:

The same people claiming to be the protectors of democracy yet who have factions within who believe the United States is a false construct, factions who want to completely ignore the constitution because they don't like the rulings of the SCOTUS and/or wreck the electoral process because they don't like it when it doesn't give them what they want . . .  on top of the parties full on assault on the 1st amendment because they don't like what some people say or believe.  :thumbsup:

Then toss in their willingness to continually inject foreign interference into our electoral process.   :thumbsup:

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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3562 on: October 25, 2024, 11:36:32 AM »
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The above posts from people supporting a party who completely blew up their "democratic" process of nominating a presidential candidate because they were afraid they were going to lose.  :thumbsup:

The same people claiming to be the protectors of democracy yet who have factions within who believe the United States is a false construct, factions who want to completely ignore the constitution because they don't like the rulings of the SCOTUS and/or wreck the electoral process because they don't like it when it doesn't give them what they want . . .  on top of the parties full on assault on the [emoji[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6][emoji6]]]st amendment because they don't like what some people say or believe.  :thumbsup:

Then toss in their willingness to continually inject foreign interference into our electoral process.   :thumbsup:
[emoji[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6][emoji6]]]) we’ve gone over this before Kamala according to polling was by far the more popular option. You can claim that there was a procedural violation at that point in time but claiming it did not reflect the will of democratic primary voters is not an accurate telling.

[emoji[emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6]]]]) being a protector of democracy and believing the “United States is a false construct” is not a clash. They can both be true. For instance, some people argue the electoral college and continuing to give states so much sovereignty, while clearly the intent of our founders/constitution undermines the will of the people. Further, it is not difficult to make the case that our founding fathers specifically did not want a democracy. That being said you have to decide if women and black people voting is a rejection of the founder’s and thus evidence that the US is a “false construct” or decide that to the extent the founders didn’t like black people being free and women voting that was bad and should be rejected. I’ll leave that work to you.

[emoji[emoji[emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6]]]][emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6][emoji6]]]]) in terms of first amendment, do you support the secretary of education in Oklahoma and his absurd decision to buy a bunch of bibles that Trump has endorsed or his prosecution and revocation of a teacher license for a teacher that provided high school students with a link to have a public library card because he said it potentially could have led students to read inappropriate materials. Is that a concern at all?

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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3563 on: October 25, 2024, 12:01:02 PM »
"I can't really say if the side co-operating with the Iranians, Chinese and North Koreans in a quest to turn Ukraine's cities and kindergartens into smoldering rubble is better than or worse than the other side..."

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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3564 on: October 25, 2024, 12:43:58 PM »
Is my tapatalk hacked? good grief

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« Reply #3565 on: October 25, 2024, 12:51:43 PM »
KK . . . I don't know what's up with your posts, but they always show up weird.  Maybe my laptop has CF3 disease. I digress.

Ordaining Kamala - is about as anti-Democratic process as you'll ever find.

I also don't need a lecture about how a constitutional republic works . . . your party has declared itself as the sole protectors of our "democracy" (direct quote) . . . yet every time your party does not like the outcomes of the processes that are outlined by our constitution you want to change the constitution to your own liking . . . and then try and tell us it's either 1. An imperfect document and/or 2. Here's what the framers really meant . . . according to us.  :lol:

Toss in the tendency to want to blow up SCOTUS every time your party doesn't like one of their decisions and the growing proclivity to censor opposing views and you've got a fascistic cocktail in the glass there, just waiting for some top shelf level garnish












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« Reply #3566 on: October 25, 2024, 02:05:03 PM »
His posts show up all cray for me too

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« Reply #3567 on: October 25, 2024, 02:29:02 PM »

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« Reply #3568 on: October 25, 2024, 03:05:28 PM »
Lmao
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« Reply #3569 on: October 25, 2024, 03:15:19 PM »
Literally Hitler still showing some good numbers among non-white people for being Literally Hitler and all . . .


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« Reply #3570 on: October 25, 2024, 07:44:28 PM »
A lot of dipshits out there.

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« Reply #3571 on: October 25, 2024, 08:07:18 PM »
Hitler literally rose to power democratically.
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« Reply #3572 on: October 25, 2024, 08:44:08 PM »
It's a delicate situation for Republicans, they could absolutely kill with Hispanics if they were less actively racist but they would lose the racist vote.
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« Reply #3573 on: October 25, 2024, 08:47:40 PM »
It's pretty interesting for the Republicans to lean into mocking the "Trump is literally Hitler" thing because the only people of consequence who say "Trump is literally Hitler” are Republicans. But I guess it's typical to make themselves out to be a victim of something

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« Reply #3574 on: October 25, 2024, 09:31:58 PM »
Hitler actually was a victim of America’s huge boot kicking the total crap out of him and his short buddies.