2024 Presidential Race

[Cartierfor3]

Totally agree none of those things are good. However, Trump's Chief of Staff saying he wants to use the military against his own American opponents is much worse, in my opinion.

In response to a question about whether he thought Mr. Trump was a fascist, Mr. Kelly first read aloud a definition of fascism that he had found online.

“Well, looking at the definition of fascism: It’s a far-right authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy,” he said.

Mr. Kelly said that definition accurately described Mr. Trump.

“So certainly, in my experience, those are the kinds of things that he thinks would work better in terms of running America,” Mr. Kelly said.

So if Biden or Harris behave as you say in meetings, that's not great, sure. But this is very different.

It's just fascinating to me that all kinds of things lead out about Dem Pres' and it's all a bunch of bullshit and a conspiracy, but if something "leaks" about Trump then it's 1000% fact.

If Kelly was a truly concerned about these things, he should have said so months-years ago. But as I said, it's desperation season and so the conspiracies are going to flow hard and fast.

Insofar as using US troops and Americans and creating internment camps, history has shown that's been more of a #blueanon/Dem thing in terms of real life. So projection?

Dude, the Kelly thing isn't a "leak." He gave multiple interviews on record with multiple news outlets. I'm unaware of any former member of Biden or Harris or Obama's staff ever going on record like that.

[Sandstone Outcropping]

It's not every day that a chief of staff calls his former boss a fascist

but maybe being a fascist can actually be a good thing...

[nicname]

Atlantic columnist Salena Zito made a very prescient statement about Donald Trump that I think still holds true today.

The gist was that while his supporters take him seriously, they rarely take him literally, because he doesn’t speak in literal terms. He speaks in overly bombastic symbolic terms. The rub is his opponents and detractors almost always take him literally, but never seriously, unless it’s to create a bogeyman based on a literal understanding of something Trump said or usually more accurately a snippet or clip of something he said.

[sonofdaxjones]

Totally agree none of those things are good. However, Trump's Chief of Staff saying he wants to use the military against his own American opponents is much worse, in my opinion.

In response to a question about whether he thought Mr. Trump was a fascist, Mr. Kelly first read aloud a definition of fascism that he had found online.

“Well, looking at the definition of fascism: It’s a far-right authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy,” he said.

Mr. Kelly said that definition accurately described Mr. Trump.

“So certainly, in my experience, those are the kinds of things that he thinks would work better in terms of running America,” Mr. Kelly said.

So if Biden or Harris behave as you say in meetings, that's not great, sure. But this is very different.

It's just fascinating to me that all kinds of things lead out about Dem Pres' and it's all a bunch of bullshit and a conspiracy, but if something "leaks" about Trump then it's 1000% fact.

If Kelly was a truly concerned about these things, he should have said so months-years ago. But as I said, it's desperation season and so the conspiracies are going to flow hard and fast.

Insofar as using US troops and Americans and creating internment camps, history has shown that's been more of a #blueanon/Dem thing in terms of real life. So projection?

Dude, the Kelly thing isn't a "leak." He gave multiple interviews on record with multiple news outlets. I'm unaware of any former member of Biden or Harris or Obama's staff ever going on record like that.

Interesting timing to say the least . . .

I know you're not going to believe it, but numerous #blueanon pres' have said and done similarly outrageous things behind closed doors and to this day they are still #blueanon heroes.  There's a 1000% known pedophile and sexual predator on the campaign trail for Kamala Harris right now, and you guys don't seem to care one little bit about it. BTW . . . it could easily be argued that the same person signed off on a military style attack on American citizens, replete with armored personnel carriers and tanks.

Edit: There's another former President on the campaign trail for Harris who signed off on the extrajudicial assassination of American citizens (and we won't get into the recent revising of military doctrine as it pertains to US military personnel being involved in assassinations). 

[sonofdaxjones]

Atlantic columnist Salena Zito made a very prescient statement about Donald Trump that I think still holds true today.

The gist was that while his supporters take him seriously, they rarely take him literally, because he doesn’t speak in literal terms. He speaks in overly bombastic symbolic terms. The rub is his opponents and detractors almost always take him literally, but never seriously, unless it’s to create a bogeyman based on a literal understanding of something Trump said or usually more accurately a snippet or clip of something he said.

Written before or after the sale of The Atlantic to Kamala and Maxwell's BFF?

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Atlantic columnist Salena Zito made a very prescient statement about Donald Trump that I think still holds true today.

The gist was that while his supporters take him seriously, they rarely take him literally, because he doesn’t speak in literal terms. He speaks in overly bombastic symbolic terms. The rub is his opponents and detractors almost always take him literally, but never seriously, unless it’s to create a bogeyman based on a literal understanding of something Trump said or usually more accurately a snippet or clip of something he said.

They don't take him literally except when he feeds lies (that he knows are lies) to them for months about a "stolen election" and the need to "take back America" that directly leads to January 6 which I guess the good folks at Fox News are telling us was all actually a big joke.

[nicname]

Atlantic columnist Salena Zito made a very prescient statement about Donald Trump that I think still holds true today.

The gist was that while his supporters take him seriously, they rarely take him literally, because he doesn’t speak in literal terms. He speaks in overly bombastic symbolic terms. The rub is his opponents and detractors almost always take him literally, but never seriously, unless it’s to create a bogeyman based on a literal understanding of something Trump said or usually more accurately a snippet or clip of something he said.

Written before or after the sale of The Atlantic to Kamala and Maxwell's BFF?

2016

[DaBigTrain]

 

[sonofdaxjones]

We just got told by Kamala Harris that she was transparent about Joe Biden's mental condition . . . something we all know is categorically false.  Yet people like Sandstone continually get wrapped up in #blueanon declared Trump "lies".  This is just one example of many, of Harris and her administration reaching never before seen heights of gaslighting, obfuscation, cooking the books and outright lies.

We've seen Harris completely meltdown at the mere hint of her words and deeds being fact checked as her staffers attempted to cut off the interview early.

[sonofdaxjones]

Atlantic columnist Salena Zito made a very prescient statement about Donald Trump that I think still holds true today.

The gist was that while his supporters take him seriously, they rarely take him literally, because he doesn’t speak in literal terms. He speaks in overly bombastic symbolic terms. The rub is his opponents and detractors almost always take him literally, but never seriously, unless it’s to create a bogeyman based on a literal understanding of something Trump said or usually more accurately a snippet or clip of something he said.

Written before or after the sale of The Atlantic to Kamala and Maxwell's BFF?

2016

Makes sense

[nicname]

Honestly, all the rest of the stuff is tertiary. The endorsements of Dick and Liz Cheney, and others of their ilk should tell you all you need to know.

Trump is the candidate most dangerous the system of empire and perpetual war for profit the US has been involved in for decades. That’s it. That’s all that really matters.

All the rest of the stuff is tertiary, at least to them; the Bushes, Cheneys, Obamas, Clintons, Bidens and others at the top of the military industrial compex pyramid.

[sonofdaxjones]

Honestly, all the rest of the stuff is tertiary. The endorsements of Dick and Liz Cheney, and others of their ilk should tell you all you need to know.

Trump is the candidate most dangerous the system of empire and perpetual war for profit the US has been involved in for decades. That’s it. That’s all that really matters.

All the rest of the stuff is tertiary, at least to them; the Bushes, Cheneys, Obamas, Clintons, Bidens and others at the top of the military industrial compex pyramid.

 . . . nearly unprecedented levels of cash flow going into defense contractors right now.  Typically, the normal ebb and flow of budgeted programs does not yield that kind of return for them.  They are Scrooge McDucking into piles of gold due to emergency forever war purchasing.  All done on the back of borrowed money.

Edit: The pre-Bezo's Washington Post did a video expose on commercial real estate around DC in the years after 9-11.  The commercial realtors were raking in cash hand over fist filling up office parks with defense contractors.

[michigancat]

Honestly, all the rest of the stuff is tertiary. The endorsements of Dick and Liz Cheney, and others of their ilk should tell you all you need to know.

Trump is the candidate most dangerous the system of empire and perpetual war for profit the US has been involved in for decades. That’s it. That’s all that really matters.

All the rest of the stuff is tertiary, at least to them; the Bushes, Cheneys, Obamas, Clintons, Bidens and others at the top of the military industrial compex pyramid.

did trump do anything to disrupt the system of empire and perpetual war for profit during his previous tenure as president?

[Kat Kid]

Honestly, all the rest of the stuff is tertiary. The endorsements of Dick and Liz Cheney, and others of their ilk should tell you all you need to know.

Trump is the candidate most dangerous the system of empire and perpetual war for profit the US has been involved in for decades. That’s it. That’s all that really matters.

All the rest of the stuff is tertiary, at least to them; the Bushes, Cheneys, Obamas, Clintons, Bidens and others at the top of the military industrial compex pyramid.

I will openly acknowledge that Trump will often say the quiet part out loud. But I reckon that him wanting to fire missiles at Mexico or threatening North Korea with our nuclear weapons on twitter, or his current plan to activate the national guard and do door to door roundups of immigrants are a bit more indicative of his instincts than hoping for some Dennis Rodman North Korea peace summit. I for sure would welcome and be entertained by a Dennis Rodman North Korea peace summit with Trump and Kim eating mcdonalds chicken nuggets but I think it is foolish to think that is the foreign policy you would get.

[michigancat]

I mean, I guess he could disrupt the military industrial complex by starting nuclear war. but that might take a while to really take hold and I would rather that not happen!

[sonofdaxjones]

Honestly, all the rest of the stuff is tertiary. The endorsements of Dick and Liz Cheney, and others of their ilk should tell you all you need to know.

Trump is the candidate most dangerous the system of empire and perpetual war for profit the US has been involved in for decades. That’s it. That’s all that really matters.

All the rest of the stuff is tertiary, at least to them; the Bushes, Cheneys, Obamas, Clintons, Bidens and others at the top of the military industrial compex pyramid.

I will openly acknowledge that Trump will often say the quiet part out loud. But I reckon that him wanting to fire missiles at Mexico or threatening North Korea with our nuclear weapons on twitter, or his current plan to activate the national guard and do door to door roundups of immigrants are a bit more indicative of his instincts than hoping for some Dennis Rodman North Korea peace summit. I for sure would welcome and be entertained by a Dennis Rodman North Korea peace summit with Trump and Kim eating mcdonalds chicken nuggets but I think it is foolish to think that is the foreign policy you would get.

All thinking people understand that vast swaths of Mexico are no longer controlled by the Mexican government and are under control of criminal cartels who in turn make billions by sending the most dangerous drugs ever created into the United States while the Chinese assist them in both laundering their money and getting them the components to create the drugs that kill over 100K people a year in the United States.

So while firing missiles into Mexico may be ridiculous hyperbole . . . thinking people understand that the situation in Mexico is (to borrow and oft  used phrase) a clear and present danger to the United States fueled by a Geo-strategic adversary.

[sonofdaxjones]

I mean, I guess he could disrupt the military industrial complex by starting nuclear war. but that might take a while to really take hold and I would rather that not happen!

You can start by looking at emergency supplemental funding of the DOD/Defense purchases by Congress.

Edit: You'll have to nuance that between emergency defense spending to support the Covid effort and supplemental spending to support wars/replenish stockpiles that were sent off to war

[Kat Kid]

Speaking of accelerationism...

If the Supreme Court overturns the NRLA and Trump wins then it will probably free up labor for a lot of actions that might ultimately strengthen or revitalize the labor movement and class consciousness.

But being an accelerationist is the fantasy stage of bargaining. You are imagining a series of challenges that are nearly insurmountable and threaten our very foundations, giving in to them, and then escaping it in spite of that. I don't think that is generally how change works.

Even in Michigan, if the anti-Kamala Gaza votes prevent Harris from winning, this will not create a new bloc of votes that both parties will appeal to. At best, the bloc can withhold support and play spoiler, but this does not gain influence in either party's nomination or platform creation.

I understand the instinct, I don't think it is effective. I get to make my protest vote in Kansas because it is the only thing that makes it count, which is a different problem.

[Kat Kid]

Honestly, all the rest of the stuff is tertiary. The endorsements of Dick and Liz Cheney, and others of their ilk should tell you all you need to know.

Trump is the candidate most dangerous the system of empire and perpetual war for profit the US has been involved in for decades. That’s it. That’s all that really matters.

All the rest of the stuff is tertiary, at least to them; the Bushes, Cheneys, Obamas, Clintons, Bidens and others at the top of the military industrial compex pyramid.

I will openly acknowledge that Trump will often say the quiet part out loud. But I reckon that him wanting to fire missiles at Mexico or threatening North Korea with our nuclear weapons on twitter, or his current plan to activate the national guard and do door to door roundups of immigrants are a bit more indicative of his instincts than hoping for some Dennis Rodman North Korea peace summit. I for sure would welcome and be entertained by a Dennis Rodman North Korea peace summit with Trump and Kim eating mcdonalds chicken nuggets but I think it is foolish to think that is the foreign policy you would get.

All thinking people understand that vast swaths of Mexico are no longer controlled by the Mexican government and are under control of criminal cartels who in turn make billions by sending the most dangerous drugs ever created into the United States while the Chinese assist them in both laundering their money and getting them the components to create the drugs that kill over 100K people a year in the United States.

So while firing missiles into Mexico may be ridiculous hyperbole . . . thinking people understand that the situation in Mexico is (to borrow and oft  used phrase) a clear and present danger to the United States fueled by a Geo-strategic adversary.

I saw the movie, you got to see Iran-Contra as you lived through it. That seem like a good model for solving that situation?

Speaking of immigration, think our foreign policy has anything to do with why there are so many immigrants coming here from Venezuela now?

[cfbandyman]

I mean, I guess he could disrupt the military industrial complex by starting nuclear war. but that might take a while to really take hold and I would rather that not happen!

Hey, I remember there was show that came out in like April based on a video game with this exact premise and they decided to drop the bomb, so basically we need to figure out who's vaultech,

[star seed 7]

Honestly, all the rest of the stuff is tertiary. The endorsements of Dick and Liz Cheney, and others of their ilk should tell you all you need to know.

Trump is the candidate most dangerous the system of empire and perpetual war for profit the US has been involved in for decades. That’s it. That’s all that really matters.

All the rest of the stuff is tertiary, at least to them; the Bushes, Cheneys, Obamas, Clintons, Bidens and others at the top of the military industrial compex pyramid.

 

[sonofdaxjones]

stalkerbot2000 is about a hardcore #neocon has you can find.  He never sits idle when someone talks about peace and ending perpetual war and the massive amounts of money it costs Americans, and the lives lost around the globe.

The only thing missing from StalkerBot2000 is a good ol Pattonesque "we'll use their guts to grease our tank treads" statement.

[sonofdaxjones]

https://twitter.com/WhistleblowerLF/status/1848865275955056983

[sonofdaxjones]

Imagine running around for 4 years claiming Trump was going to start WWIII - and then watching the Harris-Biden administration bring us closer to WWIII than other time save possibly the Cuban Missile (when the US was putting the world on the brink of annihilation due to Soviet expansionism - and soon would put large swaths of Southeast Asia into war because of Soviet expansionism)

One would think that people saying that would humble themselves and back off from being complete clowns and total dumbasses.

But apparently not

Then add in the flip side of people like that turd Susan Rice calling him a surrender monkey.

You thus have the recipe for a political movement made up insane whackjobs . . . aka Democrats




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[Pete]

FOLKS!

https://x.com/firstsquawk/status/1848870789623476253?s=46


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I wonder how they will determine “built in America?”

According to the 2023 **Kogod Made in America Auto Index**, which ranks vehicles based on the percentage of parts sourced from the U.S. and Canada, as well as U.S. labor, research, and development, here are the top 20 "most American-made" cars:

1. **Tesla Model Y** – 100% American-made.
2. **Tesla Model 3** – 100%.
3. **Tesla Model X** – 100%.
4. **Tesla Model S** – 100%.
5. **Lincoln Corsair (PHEV)** – 72%.
6. **Honda Passport** – 70%.
7. **Honda Odyssey** – 70%.
8. **Acura MDX** – 70%.
9. **Acura RDX** – 70%.
10. **Honda Ridgeline** – 70%.
11. **Chevrolet Corvette Stingray** – 65%.
12. **Chevrolet Colorado (Gas)** – 60%.
13. **Chevrolet Camaro (V8)** – 60%.
14. **Ford Bronco** – 60%.
15. **Ford Ranger** – 60%.
16. **Jeep Cherokee** – 60%.
17. **GMC Canyon (Gas)** – 60%.
18. **Jeep Grand Cherokee (2-row, Gas)** – 60%.
19. **Cadillac CT5** – 60%.
20. **Cadillac XT5** – 60%.

These rankings factor in the total economic contribution to the U.S. economy, such as parts sourcing, labor, and research, providing a comprehensive view of "American-made" vehicles.

Pete you gotta be careful with AI, this looks similar but different:

https://kogod.american.edu/autoindex/2023

(My bullshit detector went up at the 100% American made claim)

Yikes, good catch. My Ridgeline is high on the list tho!