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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3150 on: October 04, 2024, 12:34:13 PM »
I am also confused, maybe 33 should check his ears?
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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3151 on: October 04, 2024, 05:22:20 PM »
Once upon a time Joe Biden said this about Dick Cheney (he also said illegal immigration was an evil rich Republican plot):

"I think he has done more harm than any other single elected official…in terms of shredding the Constitution -- you know, condoning torture, pushing torture as a policy, this idea of the unitary executive, meaning the Congress and the people have no power in a time of war…”


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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3152 on: October 04, 2024, 11:14:23 PM »
What a fuckin' loser

Trump initially refused to give California wildfire aid because it’s a blue state, ex-aide says
By Scott Waldman, Thomas Frank | 10/03/2024 06:24 AM EDT

Former White House advisers said Trump hesitated as president to provide disaster aid to California because of the state’s Democratic leanings.

In the aftermath of Hurricane Helene, former President Donald Trump has blasted the Biden administration for its handling of the disaster — going so far as to accuse Democratic leaders of ignoring the needs of Republican storm victims.

But a review of Trump’s record by POLITICO’s E&E News and interviews with two former Trump White House officials show that the former president was flagrantly partisan at times in response to disasters and on at least three occasions hesitated to give disaster aid to areas he considered politically hostile or ordered special treatment for pro-Trump states.

Mark Harvey, who was Trump’s senior director for resilience policy on the National Security Council staff, told E&E News on Wednesday that Trump initially refused to approve disaster aid for California after deadly wildfires in 2018 because of the state’s Democratic leanings.

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But Harvey said Trump changed his mind after Harvey pulled voting results to show him that heavily damaged Orange County, California, had more Trump supporters than the entire state of Iowa.

“We went as far as looking up how many votes he got in those impacted areas … to show him these are people who voted for you,” said Harvey, who recently endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris alongside more than 100 other Republican former national security officials.

The exchange — not previously reported — drew a dumbfounded response on social media Thursday from President Joe Biden, who summed up Trump’s attitude as: “You can’t only help those in need if they voted for you.”

“It’s the most basic part of being president, and this guy knows nothing about it,” Biden posted on X, reacting to a tweet about an earlier version of this article.

Democratic California Gov. Gavin Newsom piled on, calling the episode “a glimpse into the future if we elect” Trump.

The Trump campaign did not respond to an E&E News request seeking comment.

Both Harvey and Olivia Troye, a former Trump White House homeland security adviser who backed up Harvey’s claim, say Trump is approaching Hurricane Helene with a similar mindset. They say he is politicizing a disaster that has killed more than 170 people in six states. And Troye, who has endorsed Harris for president, accused Trump of trying to divert attention from his own political liabilities on disaster responses.

She said if Trump wins the White House again, he will view disasters through a political lens that values personal loyalty over damage considerations.

“It’s not going to be about that American voter out there who isn’t even really paying attention to politics, and their house is gone, and the president of the United States is judging them for how they voted, and they didn’t even vote,” Troye said in an interview Wednesday.

Troye, who played a lead role in federal disaster response, said local political leaders regularly called her office begging for help because Trump refused to sign documents approving aid. Troye said she had to repeatedly enlist former Vice President Mike Pence to apply pressure.

Added Harvey: “There’s no empathy for the survivors. It is all about getting your photo-op, right? Disaster theater to make him look good.”

On Monday, Trump turned a visit to flood-damaged Valdosta, Georgia, into a partisan attack. He falsely claimed the Biden administration — and North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper (D) — were “going out of their way to not help people in Republican areas” and that GOP governors couldn’t get the president on the phone.

Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp and South Carolina Gov. Henry McMaster, both Republicans, confirmed that wasn’t true and praised the federal response. Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin (R) also applauded the Biden administration’s response to Helene, which damaged the southeastern part of the state.

While Trump is alone among political leaders in accusing President Joe Biden of ignoring the Republican victims of Hurricane Helene, his four years in the White House show that at times he played favorites with disaster response.

‘They love me in the Panhandle. … What do they need?’
In early 2019, shortly after taking office, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida met with Trump at the White House to ask a favor.

Months earlier, while DeSantis was running for governor, Hurricane Michael had caused massive damage in the Florida Panhandle.

DeSantis asked: Would the president order the Federal Emergency Management Agency to pay 100 percent of recovery costs instead of its customary 75 percent?

“This is Trump country — and they need your help,” DeSantis told the president, according to the Republican governor’s autobiography, “The Courage to Be Free.”

“They love me in the Panhandle,” Trump replied, according to DeSantis’ book, published in 2023 as he was preparing to run for president. “I must have won 90 percent of the vote out there. Huge crowds. What do they need?”

On March 9, 2019, Trump signed an order directing FEMA to pay 100 percent of most disaster costs in Florida. As a result, FEMA paid roughly $350 million more than it would have without Trump’s intervention, according to an E&E News analysis.

But less than two months earlier, Trump threatened to veto a disaster-aid measure in Congress that would have FEMA pay 100 percent of all disaster costs in Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands after Hurricane Maria killed more than 3,000 people.

The White House said in Jan. 16, 2019, policy statement that it “strongly objects” to the proposal.

“Cost shares are critical to ensure that work with impacted jurisdictions is collaborative and that both partners have incentives to operate efficiently and control costs,” the Office of Management and Budget wrote.

The legislation failed in the Senate.

Presidents often increase the federal share of disaster costs for the worst disasters. Trump himself increased the federal share following 23 disasters during his administration including after Hurricane Maria, a Congressional Research Service report shows.

Trump paid 100 percent for Maria — but only for FEMA funds spent on debris cleanup and emergency protection. Under the legislation Trump opposed, FEMA would have paid 100 percent of all recovery costs for Maria including reconstruction.

The Department of Homeland Security Inspector General issued eight reports criticizing FEMA’s response to Hurricane Maria in both Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands during the Trump administration. The department oversees FEMA.

An IG report in 2020 found that FEMA “mismanaged the distribution” of $257 million in commodities, which “took an average of 69 days” to reach their destinations.

The report also found that FEMA gave hurricane survivors in Puerto Rico junk food including Oreos, Cinnamon Toast Crunch cereal and Airheads candy. “Vendors were at capacity in providing nutritional meals following Hurricane Harvey,” the IG wrote, “and could not produce any more to support the effort in Puerto Rico.”

The Department of Housing and Urban Development Inspector General found that the White House delayed the release of $8.3 billion in HUD disaster aid for Puerto Rico that Congress approved in February 2018. HUD officials told the IG that the White House undertook a review process that it “had never before required.”

The money was allocated in January 2020.

The Trump administration also withheld for nearly two years a report that could have helped push Congress to improve HUD’s disaster-aid program, E&E News reported. The report, completed in April 2019, was released the day before Trump left office.

Harvey, the former Trump special assistant, remembers trying to push Trump to get money out the door to Puerto Rico.

“It was very much a business deal, like, ‘This a lot of money. What are we getting in return for it?’” Harvey said. “There was still just a whole lot of stall, stall, stall, don’t give them what they need yet.”

“It just goes into this pattern of, ‘We’re not awarding that, these aren’t my people.’ That general sense of, ‘I am here to help my people, and these aren’t my people, so I don’t have a responsibility to help.’”

Trump’s approach to Puerto Rico stands in contrast to how he responded to a separate disaster in Alabama, where he won 63 percent of the vote in 2016.

In early 2019, days after tornadoes killed 23 people in Alabama, Trump wrote on Twitter, “FEMA has been told directly by me to give the A Plus treatment to the Great State of Alabama and the wonderful people who have been so devastated by the Tornadoes.”

There is no indication that FEMA gave special treatment to Alabama.

‘Get the politics out of the disaster’
The dim view of Trump’s response to disasters isn’t shared by all his former officials.

Former Trump FEMA Administrator Brock Long denied that the president slow-walked aid to Democratic areas. He said the evidence was there in the amount of money that went to California for wildfire recovery and to Puerto Rico after Maria.

But, Long said, the agency has too long been subjected to politicization from Republicans and Democrats alike.

Long, who was in North Carolina this week and described the destruction as “generational” damage, said that dragging its recovery into campaign politics would be very harmful.

That’s why he wants FEMA to no longer be headed by a political appointee.

“You would hope that in major disasters like this, you could get the politics out of the disaster, and you would hope that we could focus on the people that are hurting,” Long said. “Let them be the agency that can function and get the job done without politics on both sides.”

Trump approved 89 disasters in states that opposed him, including 17 in California — more than any state, an E&E News analysis of FEMA data shows.

More than 80 percent of the disaster requests that Trump denied came from governors of states that he won in 2016, an E&E News analysis of FEMA data shows.

“There really is no difference that I’ve seen,” Chad Berginnis, executive director of the Association of State Floodplain Managers, said in an interview this week.

“Brock Long, just like Deanne Criswell, are committed emergency managers trying to fill the intent of their agency and are doing as good a job as they possibly can,” Berginnis said, referring to FEMA administrators under Trump and President Joe Biden.

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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3153 on: October 04, 2024, 11:40:52 PM »
The lashing out because of being called out for the crap performance in the Carolinas is only going to accelerate, friends.



One Dem apparatchik seemed giddy on a podcast about the prospect of a red region of a swing state being unable to vote, while hoping whackadoo land Asheville would be up and running.


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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3154 on: October 04, 2024, 11:43:05 PM »

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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3155 on: October 04, 2024, 11:50:10 PM »
You post something about Trump in the Presidential Race thread . . . and then get pissy if someone says something about it.

Very weird, but you’re a weird dude


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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3156 on: October 04, 2024, 11:52:00 PM »
well, we'll let society judge that I guess

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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3157 on: October 04, 2024, 11:53:28 PM »
Okay then.


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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3158 on: October 05, 2024, 12:54:09 AM »
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« Reply #3159 on: October 05, 2024, 02:06:26 AM »
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« Reply #3160 on: October 05, 2024, 08:05:44 AM »
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"I think he has done more harm than any other single elected official…in terms of shredding the Constitution -- you know, condoning torture, pushing torture as a policy, this idea of the unitary executive, meaning the Congress and the people have no power in a time of war…”


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I agree. Dick Cheney should face a criminal tribunal at The Hague.

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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3161 on: October 05, 2024, 09:53:38 AM »
What a garbage human

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« Reply #3162 on: October 06, 2024, 10:59:59 AM »
Step aside Middle East experts




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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3163 on: October 06, 2024, 01:34:25 PM »
Could going so many threads

https://x.com/SonnyBunch/status/1842724785408651762


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If there was a gif of nicname thwarting the attempted-flag-taker and then gesturing him to suck it, followed by motioning for all of Hilton Shelter to boo him louder, it'd be better than that auburn gif.

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« Reply #3164 on: October 06, 2024, 03:10:04 PM »
Musk is so weird

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« Reply #3165 on: October 06, 2024, 05:27:32 PM »
Wtf is that real?

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« Reply #3166 on: October 06, 2024, 08:38:55 PM »
Is that the top half of a chastity belt on Musk?
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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3167 on: October 07, 2024, 08:35:00 AM »
You would think someone with so much money would have his meds figured out by now. 

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« Reply #3168 on: October 07, 2024, 08:39:12 AM »
What if he has just been pretending to be a Nazi in order to infiltrate and then sabotage the Trump campaign?

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« Reply #3169 on: October 07, 2024, 09:05:48 AM »
No idea what it means but I've seen a bunch of "Kansans for Harris/Walz" yard signs here in Smallville. There were maybe 2 Biden yard signs in 2020.
Also, a massive new Trump shrine is being developed out in the country. Has like 30+ Trump, MAGA, assault rifle worship, QANON flags around a shouse.
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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #3170 on: October 07, 2024, 09:16:05 AM »
Totally normal, sane presidential candidate right here

https://x.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1843275407963164984

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« Reply #3171 on: October 07, 2024, 09:28:38 AM »
Totally normal, sane presidential candidate right here

https://x.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1843275407963164984

"race science" may be a real thing, but it sounds funny, especially when racist shitbags are all of the sudden interested in it.

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« Reply #3172 on: October 07, 2024, 09:31:52 AM »
Its just a steady stream of total bullshit all the time

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« Reply #3173 on: October 07, 2024, 10:54:28 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/supreme-court-lets-stand-a-decision-barring-emergency-abortions-that-violate-texas-ban/ar-AA1rPC4m

Not surprised they ruled this way/ignored, but am surprised they did it before the election. Good luck Texas lady friends.

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« Reply #3174 on: October 07, 2024, 11:05:26 AM »
Because the very closest to her know that she's just a bilge pump of word salad feckless bullshit who vapor locks if the teleprompter goes out for 30 seconds . . . and they want that exposed as little as possible.

Democratic operatives, including some of Kamala Harris’ own staffers, are growing increasingly concerned about her relatively light campaign schedule, which has her holding fewer events than Donald Trump and avoiding unscripted interactions with voters and the press almost entirely.

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