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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #2175 on: August 20, 2024, 10:49:34 PM »
Man, are Michelle and Barack the best public speaking couple in all of history?

I definitely didn't appreciate him enough when we had him.

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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #2176 on: August 20, 2024, 10:54:05 PM »
Michelle was fire tonight
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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #2177 on: August 20, 2024, 11:02:31 PM »
And even a dick joke from Barack! Fun evening.
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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #2178 on: August 20, 2024, 11:15:04 PM »
And the Peru, KS shout out was like a steve dave Meade post on steroids.

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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #2180 on: August 21, 2024, 06:58:47 AM »
The price gouging thing is dumb and I hope that it dies off quickly. There are more than two choices in trying to determine the cause of GLOBAL inflation…it’s not simply government policy vs retailer prices.

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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #2181 on: August 21, 2024, 07:23:58 AM »
Does the price gouging thing horrify liberals and centrists like the Israel policy horrifies progressives? Is there a good comparison there or is it nothing

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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #2182 on: August 21, 2024, 07:40:23 AM »
Does the price gouging thing horrify liberals and centrists like the Israel policy horrifies progressives? Is there a good comparison there or is it nothing
That is probably a good comparison. In both cases the policy is likely to be more harmful than the current situation.

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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #2183 on: August 21, 2024, 07:47:52 AM »
Seems like an easy way to provide a bogeyman for voters and make them feel like you’ve got their back, while not really having to anything, about it because those controls are seemingly already in place.
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« Reply #2184 on: August 21, 2024, 08:09:56 AM »
Harris’ pandering to the far left with fixed prices is dumb AF. Maybe even more dumb than tariffs.


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The craziest part is if they would have just introduced a wage theft and anti-price fixing law it would have been scarier to the businesses and been more effective.

The thing is, Grocery stores and many other companies with “big moats” including all the major integrated commodity companies, multinational food companies and grocery stores are regularly found to be engaging in price fixing and/or labor abuses.

For instance, Kroger recently had an ad for hiring grocery workers during a strike that said workers must be “willing to cross a picket line.” Pre-conditioning employment on not engaging in protected labor activity is a violation of the NLRA. The problem is the remedies and punishments the NLRB can give are mostly a joke and so companies just continue to do what they want to the detriment of workers.

So it was not only a bad policy, but an adjacent policy would’ve been more effective and much easier to message.
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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #2185 on: August 21, 2024, 08:29:41 AM »
Harris’ pandering to the far left with fixed prices is dumb AF. Maybe even more dumb than tariffs.


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The craziest part is if they would have just introduced a wage theft and anti-price fixing law it would have been scarier to the businesses and been more effective.

The thing is, Grocery stores and many other companies with “big moats” including all the major integrated commodity companies, multinational food companies and grocery stores are regularly found to be engaging in price fixing and/or labor abuses.

For instance, Kroger recently had an ad for hiring grocery workers during a strike that said workers must be “willing to cross a picket line.” Pre-conditioning employment on not engaging in protected labor activity is a violation of the NLRA. The problem is the remedies and punishments the NLRB can give are mostly a joke and so companies just continue to do what they want to the detriment of workers.

So it was not only a bad policy, but an adjacent policy would’ve been more effective and much easier to message.

The governement could also stop letting one or two giant ass corporations buy up every other food company/brand. This would probably help more than anything else and those laws are already on the books, but get ignored. but what do I know

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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #2186 on: August 21, 2024, 08:33:34 AM »
there are a lot more grocers (and massive ones) than you think. Even if you remove WalMart/Costco/Amazon from the mix. Also being massive comes with a lot of advantages that keep costs down.


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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #2187 on: August 21, 2024, 08:40:00 AM »
also grocery inflation is lib moron fuel. just preys on the minds of the most ignorant. real wages have been up every month for well over a year. deal with our capitalist system or GET OUT!

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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #2188 on: August 21, 2024, 09:14:06 AM »
sounds like RFK may drop out and support Trump. consolidation of the MAGA party will be critical to another MAGA term.

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« Reply #2189 on: August 21, 2024, 09:22:50 AM »
sounds like RFK may drop out and support Trump. consolidation of the MAGA party will be critical to another MAGA term.

Yeah, like that would probably be the most significant thing most likely to happen in terms of people voting from here on out. If RFK stays in, it's not a massive split of vote, but it's probably significant enough to make Kamala a pretty sure bet. With him out this tightens a lot.
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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #2190 on: August 21, 2024, 09:28:23 AM »
joe rogan is going to have to suck a lot of D

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« Reply #2191 on: August 21, 2024, 09:52:52 AM »
also grocery inflation is lib moron fuel. just preys on the minds of the most ignorant. real wages have been up every month for well over a year. deal with our capitalist system or GET OUT!

If you compare current real hourly compensation or real weekly earnings to Q1 of 2020 or Q4 of 2019 it's not really a pretty picture.

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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #2193 on: August 21, 2024, 10:47:35 AM »
lmao


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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #2194 on: August 21, 2024, 10:53:38 AM »
I will give Lick credit, he's all about mega corps who are experts at managing a high cash volume/low margin environment being able to consolidate power (even more) and then having access to even cheaper labor than what they can get now.

We'll be left with 3 or 4 "choices" and they'll all be Super Wal-Mart like because the uber corps will augment food with all kinds of non food items that won't (or likely won't) be subjected to price fixing regulations.

Mega corporate farms from sea to shining sea . . . at this point we might as well start talking about what the 5 year plan(s) will look like.





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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #2195 on: August 21, 2024, 10:54:37 AM »
BLS revises jobs down . . . 818,000 Second biggest revision in US history  :frown:

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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #2196 on: August 21, 2024, 01:22:16 PM »
Harris-Walz (and #blueanon) the traffickers candidates of choice

ICE doesn't know where tens of thousands of unaccompanied minors are  :frown:

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Re: 2024 Presidential Race
« Reply #2197 on: August 21, 2024, 01:34:05 PM »
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/03/ftc-releases-report-grocery-supply-chain-disruptions

food retailers’ profit margins rose between 2020 and 2023 and remain elevated today, suggesting that companies used the temporary rise in the cost of their inputs as a pretext for jacking up not just prices but profits

Looking at publicly available census data, the FTC found that food and beverage retailers’ markup percentages (the amount of money companies made over and above their total costs) rose in 2021, 2022, and into 2023, from just over 5% to 7%.


https://accountable.us/top-retail-companies-profits-soared-by-over-24b-after-raising-consumer-prices/

https://www.epi.org/blog/corporate-profits-have-contributed-disproportionately-to-inflation-how-should-policymakers-respond/

https://groundworkcollaborative.org/work/whats-driving-the-rise-in-grocery-prices-and-what-the-government-can-do-about-it/

https://www.vox.com/money/23641875/food-grocery-inflation-prices-billionaires

https://time.com/6139127/u-s-food-prices-monopoly/

Look there are some troubling things here, as far as retail pricing goes. We aren't even talking about how the current state of pricing is harming small scale producers. No one is going to fight you in the claim that monopolies are bad and the government probably doesn't do enough to prevent them, although there are some signs of this changing. Anyway, all that being said none of those links are evidence of actual price gouging. If price gouging could be proved, the government already has tools to act on it.

also grocery inflation is lib moron fuel. just preys on the minds of the most ignorant. real wages have been up every month for well over a year. deal with our capitalist system or GET OUT!

well, yes and no. What you said is factually true and wages seem to be raising higher than the rate of inflation, but this is a relatively new phenomenon and we have a eff load of a way to go to catch up. I mean the federal minimum wage is STILL rough ridin' $7.25 an hour. $7.25 in 2009 dollars is $10 today. We went a long time when the cost of goods kept going up and up and up but real wages didn't do jack crap.

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« Reply #2198 on: August 21, 2024, 01:40:40 PM »



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This is dead on, btw. The price controls rollout is something you'd expect to see from someone like me on twitter or a message board and not a real life policy position rolled out with such fanfare. The campaign effed this up.


Of course the irony here is that dax sees supporting a candidate while offering critiques of said candidate as a sign of weakness. Meanwhile trump's campaign is a disaster in absolute freefall, but he still can't find the slightest thing to be critical about.

First of all, when in the eff have I ever said criticizing a candidate you support is a "sign of weakness"?  I can't ever recall saying that, but if I did, it was a stupid thing to say.

You've never said those words, of course, but that's your whole entire thing on this board and you've turbocharged it since Kamala has joined the race. You likely have over a hundred posts in the last month making reference to the fact that Kamala was not the preferred candidate but now she is. As if people who are going to vote for her should apologize for having an alternative to Trump and Biden. At the same time you don't criticize trump, at all, and you absolutely go on a 12 post run at anyone acknowledging the latest horrific thing he's said or done, no matter how obviously horrible it is. Your hypocrisy is your brand.

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« Reply #2199 on: August 21, 2024, 01:43:52 PM »
Aren't a bunch of you hayseeds from cow people?  I thought I heard a news story last year about how high beef prices have gone, but that due to something like 80% of processing being in the hands of something like 3 companies, the prices the farmers were seeing was relatively the same and most of the increase was due to that 80% just raising prices because they wanted to.  I have one irl friend that is a cow person and he said his fam didn't really see much more than normal.  Obviously, one cow person is only one cow person. 

So, cow seeds, what do you think?

Yes, this is a very real issue, but it's a competition issue, not price gouging. It's really stunning at how badly she and her team fumbled this. She got crushed pretty hard even by economists in liberal circles. My guess is that we won't hear price gouging again, it will just disappear and we'll hear more about issues like this.