2024 Presidential Race

[sonofdaxjones]

 

Across the board the numbers clearly indicate that the cost of doing business in the United States has increased dramatically from wages (no wonder the Licks of the world are looking for that cheap labor) to energy, to commodities. The governments own statistics repeatedly indicate that. This is amateur hour, this is nothing more than an appeal to the most stupid of the stupid, so in essence, the whole of #blueanon

https://twitter.com/PhilipWegmann/status/1823909263883817190

[Kat Kid]

The best part is Walz openly admitting his views were (are) “controversial” and #blueanongE stepping in hard to say that Tom had himself all wrong.

The other best part is me clearly saying that Walz is getting criticism from pro Jew/Israeli entities and of course because StalkerBot was embarrassed for being a derp again, it had to be turned around on what I thought.

Now comes the “Dax didn’t understand what was going on” part which is just

I am just in awe of a guy thinking that 15 minutes of a 50 minute class to raise awareness of numerous genocide events, and that there’s a common theme between wouldn’t have been sufficient to clarify any disconnect between similar events. While also properly stating that The Holocaust was the most prolific and systematically planned of them all, with possibly Stalin’s purges next. Instead Walz self admitted “controversial” position is that the Holocaust was simply on the upper end of human rights abuses akin to sending a few dissidents off to a gulag for a few years.

Thus his clearly stated, self admitted “controversial” position is being treated by people in the Jewish community as Holocaust trivialization. Which some consider to be even worse than Holocaust denial, because denialists are political/theocratic insane people, while people who trivialize the Holocaust are in their view  insidious and gather a broader audience of similar thinkers.

But for certain derps this is simply about being a Trump shill. The usual derp ass response to almost everything.

You’re right SD, check StalkerBot for a toe tag




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Gonna need a citation for "akin to sending a few dissidents off to a gulag for a few years." that's a pretty bold claim.

If you are looking for Holocaust trivialization, right wing Israeli politicians are a pretty good source in recent years.

https://www.axios.com/2019/07/09/rafi-peretz-second-holocaust-intermarriage-jews-us

https://time.com/6401746/hamas-nazi-comparisons/

[sonofdaxjones]

The best part is Walz openly admitting his views were (are) “controversial” and #blueanongE stepping in hard to say that Tom had himself all wrong.

The other best part is me clearly saying that Walz is getting criticism from pro Jew/Israeli entities and of course because StalkerBot was embarrassed for being a derp again, it had to be turned around on what I thought.

Now comes the “Dax didn’t understand what was going on” part which is just

I am just in awe of a guy thinking that 15 minutes of a 50 minute class to raise awareness of numerous genocide events, and that there’s a common theme between wouldn’t have been sufficient to clarify any disconnect between similar events. While also properly stating that The Holocaust was the most prolific and systematically planned of them all, with possibly Stalin’s purges next. Instead Walz self admitted “controversial” position is that the Holocaust was simply on the upper end of human rights abuses akin to sending a few dissidents off to a gulag for a few years.

Thus his clearly stated, self admitted “controversial” position is being treated by people in the Jewish community as Holocaust trivialization. Which some consider to be even worse than Holocaust denial, because denialists are political/theocratic insane people, while people who trivialize the Holocaust are in their view  insidious and gather a broader audience of similar thinkers.

But for certain derps this is simply about being a Trump shill. The usual derp ass response to almost everything.

You’re right SD, check StalkerBot for a toe tag




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Gonna need a citation for "akin to sending a few dissidents off to a gulag for a few years." that's a pretty bold claim.

If you are looking for Holocaust trivialization, right wing Israeli politicians are a pretty good source in recent years.

https://www.axios.com/2019/07/09/rafi-peretz-second-holocaust-intermarriage-jews-us

https://time.com/6401746/hamas-nazi-comparisons/

It was implication and and right wing Israeli's have nothing to do with this discussion.

In Tom Walz's own words the Holocaust is NOT a historical anomaly.  When the simple fact is the Holocaust stands alone in terms of signaled intent, planning, an entire massive bureaucracy and infrastructure built around the execution of the plan and the utilization of the massive resources of a industrialized nation state.

[Kat Kid]

I think if you are saying "in ___'s own words" it is generally good practice to quote them as opposed to paraphrasing them without any link or citation if you want to be taken seriously.

[DQ12]

The excerpt from the article is odd.  It states that Walz's position is that "the holocaust should not be taught as unique, but used to help students identify clear patterns with other historical genocides."

Weird dichotomy.  I think it's generally accepted that every genocide is "unique."  But when teaching about genocides (pretty heavy stuff for a high school level history class), I'm sure it's useful to categorize compare/contrast elements.  It's hard to tell (based on the excerpt) whether Walz was trivializing the holocaust or just saying something like "here's the common recipe we see in genocides: [(1) racial strife; (2) coming off the heels of losing an international conflict; (3) authoritarian leader, etc.]". 

That kind of lesson ("here's the common elements of genocides, (including the holocaust)...") seems more likely to me rather than him actually teaching about the holocaust, but somehow downplaying it or saying it's not a big deal or whatever.

[sonofdaxjones]

I think if you are saying "in ___'s own words" it is generally good practice to quote them as opposed to paraphrasing them without any link or citation if you want to be taken seriously.

It's already been posted in this thread.

[Kat Kid]

If you are referring to the tweet you posted. I guess I don't see anything where Tim Walz said (using your words here) the Holocaust was

"simply on the upper end of human rights abuses"

or was "akin to sending a few dissidents off to a gulag for a few years."

You are very clearly accusing Tim Walz of total Holocaust denial. Also, if I might insert some commentary, a weird one-two punch with expressing concern about people trivializing the Holocaust if you are playing that fast and loose with your own words on the subject.

[sonofdaxjones]

If you are referring to the tweet you posted. I guess I don't see anything where Tim Walz said (using your words here) the Holocaust was

"simply on the upper end of human rights abuses"

or was "akin to sending a few dissidents off to a gulag for a few years."

You are very clearly accusing Tim Walz of total Holocaust denial. Also, if I might insert some commentary, a weird one-two punch with expressing concern about people trivializing the Holocaust if you are playing that fast and loose with your own words on the subject.

  How in the world can you say I am accusing him of Holocaust denial when I've quite clearly caveated the difference between denial and trivialization of the event. That's the entire point that those who are concerned about his thoughts are trying to make. 

As DQ said, the whole series of mental gymnastics undertaken by Walz is very weird, and again Walz somewhat to his own credit openly admits his thoughts are (direct quote) "controversial".

[michigancat]

The excerpt from the article is odd.  It states that Walz's position is that "the holocaust should not be taught as unique, but used to help students identify clear patterns with other historical genocides."

Weird dichotomy.  I think it's generally accepted that every genocide is "unique."  But when teaching about genocides (pretty heavy stuff for a high school level history class), I'm sure it's useful to categorize compare/contrast elements.  It's hard to tell (based on the excerpt) whether Walz was trivializing the holocaust or just saying something like "here's the common recipe we see in genocides: [(1) racial strife; (2) coming off the heels of losing an international conflict; (3) authoritarian leader, etc.]". 

That kind of lesson ("here's the common elements of genocides, (including the holocaust)...") seems more likely to me rather than him actually teaching about the holocaust, but somehow downplaying it or saying it's not a big deal or whatever.

are you referring to the excerpt lifted from here?

https://www.jta.org/2024/08/06/politics/tim-walz-wrote-a-masters-thesis-on-holocaust-education-just-as-his-own-schools-approach-drew-criticism

IMO it's very obvious that his words are being purposely misconstrued/misinterpreted for the daxes of the world. He was not downplaying the holocaust for goodness' sake

[DQ12]

If you are referring to the tweet you posted. I guess I don't see anything where Tim Walz said (using your words here) the Holocaust was

"simply on the upper end of human rights abuses"

or was "akin to sending a few dissidents off to a gulag for a few years."

You are very clearly accusing Tim Walz of total Holocaust denial. Also, if I might insert some commentary, a weird one-two punch with expressing concern about people trivializing the Holocaust if you are playing that fast and loose with your own words on the subject.

  How in the world can you say I am accusing him of Holocaust denial when I've quite clearly caveated the difference between denial and trivialization of the event. That's the entire point that those who are concerned about his thoughts are trying to make. 

As DQ said, the whole series of mental gymnastics undertaken by Walz is very weird, and again Walz somewhat to his own credit openly admits his thoughts are (direct quote) "controversial".

Not at all what I said btw. 

The excerpt from the article is odd.  It states that Walz's position is that "the holocaust should not be taught as unique, but used to help students identify clear patterns with other historical genocides."

Weird dichotomy.  I think it's generally accepted that every genocide is "unique."  But when teaching about genocides (pretty heavy stuff for a high school level history class), I'm sure it's useful to categorize compare/contrast elements.  It's hard to tell (based on the excerpt) whether Walz was trivializing the holocaust or just saying something like "here's the common recipe we see in genocides: [(1) racial strife; (2) coming off the heels of losing an international conflict; (3) authoritarian leader, etc.]". 

That kind of lesson ("here's the common elements of genocides, (including the holocaust)...") seems more likely to me rather than him actually teaching about the holocaust, but somehow downplaying it or saying it's not a big deal or whatever.

are you referring to the excerpt lifted from here?

https://www.jta.org/2024/08/06/politics/tim-walz-wrote-a-masters-thesis-on-holocaust-education-just-as-his-own-schools-approach-drew-criticism

IMO it's very obvious that his words are being purposely misconstrued/misinterpreted for the daxes of the world. He was not downplaying the holocaust for goodness' sake

Yeah I was just looking at the excerpt pictured in the tweet a few pages back.  A lesson on genocides that includes the holocaust (and compares/contrasts to other genocides) is absolutely reasonable.  Like I said, that seems far more likely to me than a Holocaust lesson plan where the moral is: "nothing unique about this!"

[steve dave]

The amount of mental gymnastics weirdos are having to do to find something to attack coach Walz on tells me all I need to know about coach Walz. Knows ball.


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[sonofdaxjones]

IMO the cRusty's of the world have no tolerance for any analysis of the thoughts of cRusty's most favored political movement.

No genocide event in world history rose to the level of the Holocaust and I have clearly and intelligently stated why that is the case.  How many times does it have to be said that the man himself admits to his controversial position.  FFS

[sonofdaxjones]

The amount of mental gymnastics weirdos are having to do to find something to attack coach Walz on tells me all I need to know about coach Walz. Knows ball.


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The amount of meltdowns simple brained people have over the totality of Walz's shitty record in Minnesota on top of the fact that he's clearly a #blueanon whack-a-doo is telling.

Frankly disturbing when I see it out of alleged K-State alums.

#blueanongE clearly wants another 30 articles on Kamala's Joy and buy into the Ol Ball Coach narrative. Simple things for simple brained people I suppose.

[DQ12]

The amount of mental gymnastics weirdos are having to do to find something to attack coach Walz on tells me all I need to know about coach Walz. Knows ball.


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Yeah I disagree with him a lot politically, but he seems like an otherwise decent, regular guy to me (to the extent anyone campaigning for VP can be "regular"). 

[sonofdaxjones]

https://twitter.com/ballabon/status/1821955156302270513

[kim carnes]

Judging by the headlines over the last 24 hours, kamala is going to come down hard on corporate price gouging.

[Kat Kid]

If you are referring to the tweet you posted. I guess I don't see anything where Tim Walz said (using your words here) the Holocaust was

"simply on the upper end of human rights abuses"

or was "akin to sending a few dissidents off to a gulag for a few years."

You are very clearly accusing Tim Walz of total Holocaust denial. Also, if I might insert some commentary, a weird one-two punch with expressing concern about people trivializing the Holocaust if you are playing that fast and loose with your own words on the subject.

  How in the world can you say I am accusing him of Holocaust denial when I've quite clearly caveated the difference between denial and trivialization of the event. That's the entire point that those who are concerned about his thoughts are trying to make. 

As DQ said, the whole series of mental gymnastics undertaken by Walz is very weird, and again Walz somewhat to his own credit openly admits his thoughts are (direct quote) "controversial".

When you were "paraphrasing" Tim Walz position YOU used the words "a few" which would seem at odds with historical figures of 6 million people or 2/3rds of all European Jews being murdered in a genocide

then YOU said "off to a gulag for a few years" which further implies that this may not have even been a death sentence.

I think you should retract it. It is on its face totally absurd and undermines any point you might have.

[Kat Kid]

https://twitter.com/ballabon/status/1821955156302270513

Not denying the Holocaust, is in some ways, even worse than denying the Holocaust.

sounds like this dude has some well reasoned points and should be taken seriously.

[sonofdaxjones]

If you are referring to the tweet you posted. I guess I don't see anything where Tim Walz said (using your words here) the Holocaust was

"simply on the upper end of human rights abuses"

or was "akin to sending a few dissidents off to a gulag for a few years."

You are very clearly accusing Tim Walz of total Holocaust denial. Also, if I might insert some commentary, a weird one-two punch with expressing concern about people trivializing the Holocaust if you are playing that fast and loose with your own words on the subject.

  How in the world can you say I am accusing him of Holocaust denial when I've quite clearly caveated the difference between denial and trivialization of the event. That's the entire point that those who are concerned about his thoughts are trying to make. 

As DQ said, the whole series of mental gymnastics undertaken by Walz is very weird, and again Walz somewhat to his own credit openly admits his thoughts are (direct quote) "controversial".

When you were "paraphrasing" Tim Walz position YOU used the words "a few" which would seem at odds with historical figures of 6 million people or 2/3rds of all European Jews being murdered in a genocide

then YOU said "off to a gulag for a few years" which further implies that this may not have even been a death sentence.

I think you should retract it. It is on its face totally absurd and undermines any point you might have.

KK, I'm not retracting anything. You literally completely misinterpreted everything I said and you showed that by saying I am accusing Walz of Holocaust denialism, when I quite clearly did not, and went out of my way to clearly say that and note the difference between denialism and trivialization . . . and pointed out that's what others are accousing Walz of. I in turn am bemused by the fact that Walz turned what is nothing more than a simple 15 minute explanation to high school level students into this weird trope about how students (and people in general) can't "synthesize" the various events.  That's just drivel and everyone with a brain knows that.

[sonofdaxjones]

https://twitter.com/ballabon/status/1821955156302270513

Not denying the Holocaust, is in some ways, even worse than denying the Holocaust.

sounds like this dude has some well reasoned points and should be taken seriously.

I've addressed this. Outright deniers are in some cases imprisoned. Trivializers gain a broader audience. That's the point.

You are way off today, try to do better.

[Rage Against the McKee]

If the Holocaust is the only genocide that you teach, then people end up believing that anything that falls short of killing 6 million people isn't really a genocide.

[sonofdaxjones]

Melting down about Walz aside, let's once again review the last 24 hours.

-Kamala Raged up by pro Gaza protesters on the same day her administration sells Israel another $23 billion in weapons

-Even uber #blueanon friendly media is over Kamala in a bubble

-Today a ridiculous price cap platform decision which completely eschews the rising cost of doing business because of this administrations policies

-Going back a week, Erica L Green of the NYT's reported that Harris and her campaign met with Uncommitted National Movement which organizes pro Gaza protests, per Green of the NYT, Harris and her campaign are open to considering UNM's proposal for an arms embargo of Israel. UNM states they are not keen to vote for Harris because of Gaza. It appears to that KH is going to say whatever it takes to get votes, which is absolutely #onbrand

[sonofdaxjones]

If the Holocaust is the only genocide that you teach, then people end up believing that anything that falls short of killing 6 million people isn't really a genocide.

That's a 5 minute explanation in an audience that collectively has above 6 brain cells.

[cfbandyman]

If the Holocaust is the only genocide that you teach, then people end up believing that anything that falls short of killing 6 million people isn't really a genocide.

Right, like I don't think even reading the verbatim text provided that he was downplaying it, but linking it to other atrocities. Like the Holocaust is the one of the most stark and devasting one, but if that is the only view you see then it comes off as the only thing ever bad to happen to a group of people ever. Sounds like if anything he wants to reinforce that liquidating people just for who they are is bad, and here are tons of examples of them. Don't do that.

[LickNeckey]

jesus Dax you have generated like 20+ posts about a 30 year old HS lesson plan

go touch grass