Author Topic: 2024 Presidential Race (Read 171062 times)

Kat Kid · « **Reply #775 on:** July 18, 2024, 02:36:37 PM »

If I am told that Trump is proposing a 10% tariff on China and also that he is considering Jaime Dimon for treasury, I know which one is much more likely to happen.

I also don’t think that a complete overhaul of the immigration system is likely because industry would hate it. But there will be plenty of misery that can be created through a border patrol and ICE or national guard that will do some round ups and try to intimidate immigrants in to leaving.

I will also be shocked if trying to overturn Plyer v Doe is not on the judicial agenda.

Sandstone Outcropping · « **Reply #776 on:** July 18, 2024, 02:45:11 PM »

Quote from: star seed 7 on July 18, 2024, 02:34:31 PM

Harris/Shapiro

Shapiro's remarks after Saturday were very impressive.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #777 on:** July 18, 2024, 02:45:48 PM »

Quote from: chum1 on July 18, 2024, 02:35:30 PM

I kinda feel like it would have to be Kamala. Like, at least voters knew she would be Biden's successor if something happened to him.

I have no idea if it's true but I have seen a lot about Harris is required to be on the ticket (p or vp) or the biden/Harris campaign money would have to be refunded

wetwillie · « **Reply #778 on:** July 18, 2024, 02:58:36 PM »

I don't think Harris would beat Trump but I'm certain Biden won't

CNS · « **Reply #779 on:** July 18, 2024, 03:18:16 PM »

Whitmer/Shapiro would be two popular ppl in two swing states.

kim carnes · « **Reply #780 on:** July 18, 2024, 03:28:56 PM »

You can’t just install a new nominee bc you don’t like how your current one is polling. Well, not if you have any ethics whatsoever.

Sandstone Outcropping · « **Reply #781 on:** July 18, 2024, 03:45:14 PM »

Quote from: kim carnes on July 18, 2024, 03:28:56 PM

You can’t just install a new nominee bc you don’t like how your current one is polling. Well, not if you have any ethics whatsoever.

Why not? It is up to the parties who they nominate for the general election. Parties need to exercise more control over who gets nominated for the general elections. Would go a lot way toward fixing what is messed up with politics in this country.

Kat Kid · « **Reply #782 on:** July 18, 2024, 03:53:43 PM »

Quote from: kim carnes on July 18, 2024, 03:28:56 PM

You can’t just install a new nominee bc you don’t like how your current one is polling. Well, not if you have any ethics whatsoever.

I guess it depends on which type of democracy you believe in. I think institutionalism and process are not totally dead, but pretty much. I am probably being a little optimistic, but this does genuinely seem to be a democratic response to the population (polling) as much as a donor/insider revolt. It seems to me just because Joe Biden has the necessary delegates to proceed does not necessarily mean that is the most reflective of the will of the Democratic Party members or voting populace moving forward to the general.

Pete · « **Reply #783 on:** July 18, 2024, 04:02:57 PM »

Mark Cubin. It has to be.

catastrophe · « **Reply #784 on:** July 18, 2024, 04:05:09 PM »

Quote from: kim carnes on July 18, 2024, 03:28:56 PM

You can’t just install a new nominee bc you don’t like how your current one is polling. Well, not if you have any ethics whatsoever.

Ethics doesn’t mean anything without reference to an agreed upon standard. What standard are you referencing in this context?

Pete · « **Reply #785 on:** July 18, 2024, 04:06:37 PM »

Quote from: chum1 on July 18, 2024, 02:35:30 PM

I kinda feel like it would have to be Kamala. Like, at least voters knew she would be Biden's successor if something happened to him.

I have a hunch that she would lose bigly.

Pete · « **Reply #786 on:** July 18, 2024, 04:07:35 PM »

Dems need an entertainer. It has to be a cult of personality nominee if they want to win.

catastrophe · « **Reply #787 on:** July 18, 2024, 04:08:06 PM »

Quote from: Sandstone Outcropping on July 18, 2024, 02:25:19 PM

Quote from: chum1 on July 18, 2024, 02:23:51 PM
https://x.com/axios/status/1813943622863143080
Obama ready to put Sleepy Joe out to pasture:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ar-BB1qdSr4

Edit: is there any potential replacement who could a) manage to get nominated by the dems and b) win a general election
I nominate Laura Kelly.

I can’t imagine a woman other than Harris getting the nomination. If it’s not Harris I’d have to imagine it would be the most seasoned (but youthful) white dude they can find. Maybe Newsom?

star seed 7 · « **Reply #788 on:** July 18, 2024, 04:10:20 PM »

I think Harris is super cringe but I can hype myself up for Harris/Shapiro

DQ12 · « **Reply #789 on:** July 18, 2024, 05:31:12 PM »

Harris Trump debate would be very fun.

sys · « **Reply #790 on:** July 18, 2024, 09:13:54 PM »

Quote from: sys on July 16, 2024, 04:23:06 PM

1. i'm not aware of any american politicians that have called for higher birthrates. there probably are a couple, but it's not a salient feature of any party or subparty's politics.

welp.

https://www.businessinsider.com/jd-vance-family-policies-birth-rates-childcare-tax-credits-2024-7?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-us

Institutional Control · « **Reply #791 on:** July 19, 2024, 07:19:04 AM »

Quote from: Pete on July 18, 2024, 04:07:35 PM

Dems need an entertainer. It has to be a cult of personality nominee if they want to win.

George Clooney!

MakeItRain · « **Reply #792 on:** July 20, 2024, 11:35:14 AM »

Kamala is the choice that would unite the dems the most. I think she has appeal across the washington set, and various non washington coalitions. I would like to think that the people who would roundly dismiss a woman of color are already trump voters. She might be the best case scenario to drum up turnout. Unlike Hilary, Harris can run on the Biden agenda, which he somehow accomplished more than Obama did. I'm not a fan, and I think she's a cop, but I'm more moved to vote for her than I am to vote for biden.

Trim · « **Reply #793 on:** July 20, 2024, 11:44:47 AM »

Democrats were too busy talking bad about their existing candidate (with no plan for an alternative) to talk bad about trump the last day and a half since he gave the extra-trumpy speech of the type that got him voted out not long ago.

As always, break up the united states.

Brock Landers · « **Reply #794 on:** July 20, 2024, 12:13:07 PM »

Agreed, the 'Crats messaging about Trump has been pretty inept for years. J.D. Vance has done a better job of talking crap on Trump than they have.

wetwillie · « **Reply #795 on:** July 20, 2024, 12:31:32 PM »

Is ol boy gonna make it official this weekend?

CNS · « **Reply #796 on:** July 20, 2024, 01:56:11 PM »

I heard an interview this week where they were saying there is a lot of legal discussion about if Joe drops out and Kamala isn’t the candidate, that the Dems may not have legal access to the money Joe has raised, but Kamala would if she is the candidate. They said that is around $250M.

Whoever the new candidate would be would need that money as rocket fuel. That may be the deciding factor, as long as Kamala is polling adequately.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #797 on:** July 20, 2024, 01:58:30 PM »

Quote from: wetwillie on July 20, 2024, 12:31:32 PM

Is ol boy gonna make it official this weekend?

Officially staying? Yes.

wetwillie · « **Reply #798 on:** July 20, 2024, 03:07:43 PM »

Quote from: star seed 7 on July 20, 2024, 01:58:30 PM

Quote from: wetwillie on July 20, 2024, 12:31:32 PM
Is ol boy gonna make it official this weekend?

Officially staying? Yes.

He's gone brother

sys · « **Reply #799 on:** July 20, 2024, 07:20:27 PM »

Quote from: wetwillie on July 20, 2024, 03:07:43 PM

Quote from: star seed 7 on July 20, 2024, 01:58:30 PM
Quote from: wetwillie on July 20, 2024, 12:31:32 PM
Is ol boy gonna make it official this weekend?

Officially staying? Yes.

He's gone brother

at this point, i think it's appropriate to note that 1) delegates are mostly minor party functionaries (i.e. people with day jobs) very invested in the party's success, and 2) the biden campaign had the opportunity to select all of the delegates that are pledged to him.

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unless biden decides he will drop out of the 2024 race or the delegates vote for someone else, he is the party's presumptive nominee