Possible WW3 thread

[Pete]

As long as the US is happy to pump billions of dollars of weapons in to Ukraine and Ukraine is happy to accept and fight I think this thing can go on for a long time. But I think there are plenty of questions as to whether that is a good thing from a number of perspectives.

it's still pretty weird to phrase the question in a manner that excludes the party that precipitated the action and is still the only party involved that can unilaterally terminate all hostilities from a discussion of how long the war will last and whether or not it's a good thing.

It goes without saying a unilateral withdrawal by Russia would be the best result, but that is very unlikely. So looking at the more likely scenarios I genuinely don't know what a multi-yr conflict would look like but I imagine it would involve a lot of killing so trying to look for alternatives is something we should be doing.

Put another way, the price tag for suffocating Russia’s economy and significantly weakening their military is several more years of killing (non-Americans). I bet that’s the choice our National Security people will vote for.

[bucket]

Lot of Neville Chamberlain stans in this thread

[sonofdaxjones]

As long as a lot of non American's die, I'm good with it (Pete)

[bucket]

As long as a lot of non American's die, I'm good with it (Pete)

You have blamed everyone except Vlad. You haven't blamed Vlad one time. 

[sonofdaxjones]

As long as a lot of non American's die, I'm good with it (Pete)

You have blamed everyone except Vlad. You haven't blamed Vlad one time. 

I'm no fan of Vlad Putin, and I also know you do a terrible job of paying attention and your one of the resident kings of not knowing.

Putin has warned about this for years, I've been discussing Ukraine on here for a long time.   But #neoconGe was too busy losing their crap about Trump, and regurgitating Twitter.

You never say anything about the dipshit President, and the #neocons he has around him.

[sonofdaxjones]

BTW, the Russians are taking out the M777s, the Ukrainians don't know how to use them, and they're using crap Canadian electronics that the Russians jam.   BTW, they've never been deployed against a real military, that uses drones and fires back with real missiles and real artillery that uses the same kinds of technologies the U.S. military has.

Once again the armchair #neocons and #neoconGe thinks this is the U.S. fighting dudes in sand dunes on top of piles of rocks who use a few AK's and some old RPG's.

Our dipshit President and his dipshit foreign policy team should have been serious about stopping this war instead of doing nothing but spewing BS.

[bucket]

As long as a lot of non American's die, I'm good with it (Pete)

You have blamed everyone except Vlad. You haven't blamed Vlad one time. 

I'm no fan of Vlad Putin, and I also know you do a terrible job of paying attention and your one of the resident kings of not knowing.

Putin has warned about this for years, I've been discussing Ukraine on here for a long time.   But #neoconGe was too busy losing their crap about Trump, and regurgitating Twitter.

You never say anything about the dipshit President, and the #neocons he has around him.

In your mind, embracing the west warrants war.

Unrelated, I think Biden is an old who should have retired,  but he brings some normalcy and I'll take that

[sonofdaxjones]

As long as a lot of non American's die, I'm good with it (Pete)

You have blamed everyone except Vlad. You haven't blamed Vlad one time. 

I'm no fan of Vlad Putin, and I also know you do a terrible job of paying attention and your one of the resident kings of not knowing.

Putin has warned about this for years, I've been discussing Ukraine on here for a long time.   But #neoconGe was too busy losing their crap about Trump, and regurgitating Twitter.

You never say anything about the dipshit President, and the #neocons he has around him.

In your mind, embracing the west warrants war.

Unrelated, I think Biden is an old who should have retired,  but he brings some normalcy and I'll take that

You make "embracing" sound like it was some foreign exchange student program.   

Weird that you never want to discuss things like how the United States conducted a coup in Ukraine that overthrew a democratically elected President and installed a hardcore anti-Russian president.    Read the Rand papers, the U.S. has been gunning for this war with Russia and putting Ukraine in the meat grinder for years.   

In Feb Zelensky was openly talking about Ukraine re-obtaining nuclear weapons.    How does the U.S. react when the thought of nuclear weapons right next door enters peoples minds? 

Normalcy     You guys drove an abnormal Presidency by letting people like Hillary Clinton just make up crap about Trump and Russia knowing full well that the easily propagandized minds of #blueanon would believe all of it.   There's nothing "normal" about Biden, he's an idiot surrounded by bigger idiots.   

[bucket]

Russia, the perpetual victim. Tell me where you get your information. 

[Tobias]

https://twitter.com/osinttechnical/status/1531151399618236416

[nicname]

As long as a lot of non American's die, I'm good with it (Pete)

You have blamed everyone except Vlad. You haven't blamed Vlad one time. 

Everyone knows Putin is the villain here. It goes without saying. It’s understood. That doesn’t excuse others in positions of power from contributing to the bloodshed and lives ruined, or worse, lost.

[bucket]

As long as a lot of non American's die, I'm good with it (Pete)

You have blamed everyone except Vlad. You haven't blamed Vlad one time. 

Everyone knows Putin is the villain here. It goes without saying. It’s understood. That doesn’t excuse others in positions of power from contributing to the bloodshed and lives ruined, or worse, lost.

Please, elaborate

[nicname]

As long as a lot of non American's die, I'm good with it (Pete)

You have blamed everyone except Vlad. You haven't blamed Vlad one time. 

I'm no fan of Vlad Putin, and I also know you do a terrible job of paying attention and your one of the resident kings of not knowing.

Putin has warned about this for years, I've been discussing Ukraine on here for a long time.   But #neoconGe was too busy losing their crap about Trump, and regurgitating Twitter.

You never say anything about the dipshit President, and the #neocons he has around him.

In your mind, embracing the west warrants war.

Unrelated, I think Biden is an old who should have retired,  but he brings some normalcy and I'll take that

You make "embracing" sound like it was some foreign exchange student program.   

Weird that you never want to discuss things like how the United States conducted a coup in Ukraine that overthrew a democratically elected President and installed a hardcore anti-Russian president.    Read the Rand papers, the U.S. has been gunning for this war with Russia and putting Ukraine in the meat grinder for years.   

In Feb Zelensky was openly talking about Ukraine re-obtaining nuclear weapons.    How does the U.S. react when the thought of nuclear weapons right next door enters peoples minds? 

Normalcy     You guys drove an abnormal Presidency by letting people like Hillary Clinton just make up crap about Trump and Russia knowing full well that the easily propagandized minds of #blueanon would believe all of it.   There's nothing "normal" about Biden, he's an idiot surrounded by bigger idiots.

This is all true.

[Pete]

I do not value American lives more than Ukrainian lives.

We all agree Putin and his administration are a global threat.  That much is settled, and demonstrably true. Then we simply must ask whether the cost in stopping a tyrannical autocratic regime in worth the cost.

When compared to any other war the United States has ever engaged in, I'd put this pretty high on the list of "legitimate reasons to engage in war."  I'd put it above our own war of independence from England, for example. 

The fact that we can prosecute the war without costing American lives is just a bonus, IMO.  I don't think American lives are worth more than Ukrainian lives, but our ability to fight Russia without losing American lives allows us to invest more with fewer political and social repercussions....its cheaper. More bang for the buck in our effort to stop a tyrannical autocratic regime that threatens world security.

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Strange, if true

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1531215281179205632?s=21&t=oDLNPZsTtO3xUKhM4FsYWQ

[Dugout DickStone]

With the maga mindset comes the maga grift.

[sys]

trying to look for alternatives is something we should be doing.

just as starting the war was a russian decision that was entirely out of our hands, ending the war will be a ukrainian decision that is entirely out of our hands.

[catastrophe]

trying to look for alternatives is something we should be doing.

just as starting the war was a russian decision that was entirely out of our hands, ending the war will be a ukrainian decision that is entirely out of our hands.

I love finding a good poetic symmetry in things but gmafb that Ukraine’s decision would be entirely out of our hands. They’ve been relying heavily on US aid since before DJT tried to use it as a basis for extorting them.

[Kat Kid]

trying to look for alternatives is something we should be doing.

just as starting the war was a russian decision that was entirely out of our hands, ending the war will be a ukrainian decision that is entirely out of our hands.

We aren’t just passive observers here so we really do get a say. If that’s your position on how much and for how long we should support Ukraine fighting that is fine.

[sys]

I love finding a good poetic symmetry in things but gmafb that Ukraine’s decision would be entirely out of our hands. They’ve been relying heavily on US aid since before DJT tried to use it as a basis for extorting them.

ukraine is heavily dependent on us aid to continue the war as it is currently being fought, but if any country should be aware that continued resistance by even just a small, completely outgunned, fraction of a country can make permanent occupation untenable, we are that country.

[Kat Kid]

I love finding a good poetic symmetry in things but gmafb that Ukraine’s decision would be entirely out of our hands. They’ve been relying heavily on US aid since before DJT tried to use it as a basis for extorting them.

ukraine is heavily dependent on us aid to continue the war as it is currently being fought, but if any country should be aware that continued resistance by even just a small, completely outgunned, fraction of a country can make permanent occupation untenable, we are that country.

Ah yes, who could forget when the entire world sanctioned the US for invading Iraq.

Again, those are Ukraine’s decisions. Us giving $50 billion to Ukraine are our decisions.

[sys]

sure, we get to decide what aid to give.  we don't get to decide when ukraine will stop fighting.

[Kat Kid]

sure, we get to decide what aid to give.  we don't get to decide when ukraine will stop fighting.

You are almost there.

[sonofdaxjones]

The only two political movements allowed in Ukraine are Zelensky's "Servant of the People" (which should be translated into Servant of the Oligarchs that fund him) and the Nazi's (who are at this moment trying to rebrand themselves).   All opposition parties and media were outlawed . . . but fightin for democracy and all that, tho.

Ukraine is blowback against the U.S.'s quest to maintain a unipolar world.    Sadly 3 out of the last 4 President's have taken full and illegal advantage of the AUMF passed by Congress after 9/11 and waged perpetual war ever since.    Trump, while not expanding any wars in a substantial way or starting any new one's gets a slight pass in this department. 

Russia and China are now rejecting the unipolar world.   Sadly, the dimwit President and the #neocons surrounding him are still attempting to use wars and what remains of U.S. dollar hegemony to bludgeon other nations over the head.     The only countries that the dimwit President and the #neocons are really hurting right now, are our alleged European allies (to think how #blueanonGe lost their mind over Trump and Europe . . . I mean  ).   

But don't fear, even though the armchair #neocons have managed to fool people like #neoconGe and convince you that Ukraine was winning the war.    There's still a chance for Ukraine to claim victory here, and by proxy, allowing the armchair #neocons/#neoconGe to claim victory.    As to whether that gets to happen depends on how Putin handles the next phase of the war.    Hopefully he stops, and demands negotiations.   But his pickle is that just like the United States has conjured up every excuse under the sun to wage perpetual war.    His excuses for waging war in Ukraine:  1.  The Buildup on Ukrainian troops in the East.   2.   The Nazification of the Ukrainian military and militias and their attacks on indigenous Russian populations in Eastern Ukraine are starting to lose their steam as Russia continues to find success in eradicating both threats.   

Now would be an excellent time for the United States to work stridently for peace, and the #neocons can work over the next few years to achieve the wet dream of an armed to the teeth Ukraine on the frontier of Ukraine's new borders. 

Stay tuned.

[sonofdaxjones]

The easily propagandized were told to believe that Ukraine was winning the war, and just needed a few billion dollars in additional weapons to finish the job.

A smart non war mongering/non corrupt U.S. President and a smart non war mongering foreign policy team would have fought off the derps in Congress (on both sides) and headed this off that pass a long time ago.   But the U.S. has been wanting this war for well over a decade.

https://time.com/6176748/ukraine-war-economy/