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« Reply #400 on: June 25, 2022, 01:06:17 PM »
1950s here we come!

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1540339085230968834

Banning contraception and Outlawing abortion is certainly one way to grow the party’s base

And STD counts

Also, good to read the rest of this anyways under the discussion (TLDR to put here)

https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives


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In light of the public debate over the morality of abortion, it is notable that the women in our survey emphasized their conscious examination of the moral aspects of their decisions. Although some described abortion as sinful and wrong, many of those same women, and others, described the indiscriminate bearing of children as a sin, and their abortion as "the right thing" and "a responsible choice." Respondents often acknowledged the complexity of the decision, and described an intense and difficult process of deciding to have an abortion, which took into account the moral weight of their responsibilities to their families, themselves and children they might have in the future.

In the in-depth interviews, the language women used suggests that abortion was not something they desired; instead, these women were deciding not to have a child at this time. Facing unintended pregnancies, they clearly understood the implications of having a child (most of them firsthand) and were aware of their options. They saw not having a child as their best (and sometimes only) option.
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« Reply #401 on: June 25, 2022, 01:14:30 PM »
My wife and I spent over $50,000 to be able to have a child. We value life. Stop 1%’ing cases to try and prove your point. Most cases are due to carelessness/laziness and dumb people having sex. Mostly libs!


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If the $50k was for IVF, then you had at least one abortion.

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« Reply #402 on: June 25, 2022, 01:21:02 PM »
My wife and I spent over $50,000 to be able to have a child. We value life. Stop 1%’ing cases to try and prove your point. Most cases are due to carelessness/laziness and dumb people having sex. Mostly libs!


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How many babies died so you guys could have 1?


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« Reply #403 on: June 25, 2022, 01:28:44 PM »
This is probably a question geared more towards people who have a background in medicine or law.  But I’ve read in the past that Eugenics/IVF could run into issues if roe v wade were ever overturned.  Is that a legitimate concern or more of a “in extreme cases someone will put a bill out that will never pass because it contains language banning IVF”


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I’m not all that familiar with history of laws governing IVF, but I don’t think Roe ever really stood in the way of banning IVF. So I don’t see what difference it would make unless an anti-abortion bill is so sweeping that they accidentally ban IVF.

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« Reply #404 on: June 25, 2022, 01:39:10 PM »
I imagine that a state could pass a law that says life begins at conception


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« Reply #405 on: June 25, 2022, 01:39:29 PM »
This is probably a question geared more towards people who have a background in medicine or law.  But I’ve read in the past that Eugenics/IVF could run into issues if roe v wade were ever overturned.  Is that a legitimate concern or more of a “in extreme cases someone will put a bill out that will never pass because it contains language banning IVF”


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I’m not all that familiar with history of laws governing IVF, but I don’t think Roe ever really stood in the way of banning IVF. So I don’t see what difference it would make unless an anti-abortion bill is so sweeping that they accidentally ban IVF.
Here’s an excerpt from a wired magazine article:

“The most immediate concern, says Sean Tipton, chief advocacy, policy, and development officer of the American Society of Reproductive Medicine, is that a lot of states use language in their laws that would give legal and constitutional status to the fertilized egg should Roe be overturned. At the moment, 13 states in the US have “trigger” laws in place that would ban all or nearly all abortions immediately or very quickly if Roe were overturned, according to the Guttmacher Institute, an abortion-rights advocacy and research group. In many of these laws, life is defined as beginning at the moment of fertilization, although the exact language differs from state to state.

By this definition, any procedure involving the destruction of a fertilized egg is at risk of being outlawed if Roe v. Wade is overturned—a fertilized egg would theoretically hold the same rights as a kindergartner. This is the manifestation of the “personhood” movement, propagated by pro-lifers, which seeks to define fertilized eggs, zygotes, embryos, and fetuses as people with equal protections under the law. “It is a clear and present danger to all forms of reproductive health care,” Tipton says.

https://www.wired.com/story/ramifications-of-post-roe-world/


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« Reply #406 on: June 25, 2022, 01:46:16 PM »
Yeah that makes sense. Seems like it would be incidental to me. Again unless there is already a federal law in place I think states could have banned IVF if they wanted regardless of Roe.

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« Reply #407 on: June 25, 2022, 01:50:07 PM »
Yeah that makes sense. Seems like it would be incidental to me. Again unless there is already a federal law in place I think states could have banned IVF if they wanted regardless of Roe.
I think ultimately the concern boils down to those writing the laws are not focusing on the language impacting IVF, but “life starts at”


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« Reply #409 on: June 25, 2022, 02:16:43 PM »
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« Reply #410 on: June 25, 2022, 02:24:16 PM »
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« Reply #411 on: June 25, 2022, 02:24:52 PM »
I imagine that a state could pass a law that says life begins at conception


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I fully expect it to happen in many states. Maybe most.

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Re: Supreme Court Cases Thread
« Reply #413 on: June 25, 2022, 02:27:55 PM »
This is probably a question geared more towards people who have a background in medicine or law.  But I’ve read in the past that Eugenics/IVF could run into issues if roe v wade were ever overturned.  Is that a legitimate concern or more of a “in extreme cases someone will put a bill out that will never pass because it contains language banning IVF”


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I’m not all that familiar with history of laws governing IVF, but I don’t think Roe ever really stood in the way of banning IVF. So I don’t see what difference it would make unless an anti-abortion bill is so sweeping that they accidentally ban IVF.
It totally removed the only roadblock for “life begins at conception laws.” Previously those laws were unconstitutional because they would have prevented access to constitutionally protected righty of abortion…that right is gone. Warm up the “life begins at conception” bills in like half the rough ridin' states or more.

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« Reply #414 on: June 25, 2022, 02:29:56 PM »
IVF is going to be illegal in most red states (if not all) very soon.

You will probably only be able to do IVF in blue states.

I just hope that blue states outlaw IVF treatment for out of state citizens.

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« Reply #415 on: June 25, 2022, 02:35:32 PM »
Imagine if our death penalty laws mistakenly killed the same amount of women who will die from the inability to get a legal abortion to save the mother’s life.

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« Reply #416 on: June 25, 2022, 02:38:51 PM »
Doctor: I have some good news and some bad news…

Husband: what’s the bad news?

Doctor: your wife and kid are gonna both die

Husband: that is bad. What is the good news?

Doctor: stuck it to the libs (high fives Husband)

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« Reply #417 on: June 25, 2022, 02:45:04 PM »
Well sir, your daughter was asking for it when she went to the bar


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« Reply #418 on: June 25, 2022, 03:34:04 PM »
Today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_abortion

Apparently Jewish groups are ready to sue.


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« Reply #419 on: June 25, 2022, 03:47:07 PM »
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« Reply #420 on: June 25, 2022, 04:53:15 PM »
Today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_abortion

Apparently Jewish groups are ready to sue.


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The mental gymnastics the 6 conservatives (minus Roberts) will have to do if this makes it all the way to them will be fun. 

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« Reply #421 on: June 25, 2022, 05:17:46 PM »
Today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_abortion

Apparently Jewish groups are ready to sue.


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The mental gymnastics the 6 conservatives (minus Roberts) will have to do if this makes it all the way to them will be fun. 

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No way they ever take a case even similar to that.

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« Reply #422 on: June 25, 2022, 05:19:07 PM »
Waks dipped the hell out of here when he learned IVF is definitely baby killing under the new law.  Ope

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« Reply #423 on: June 25, 2022, 05:36:12 PM »
Leopards are gorging themselves on peoples faces today


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Re: Supreme Court Cases Thread
« Reply #424 on: June 25, 2022, 05:53:43 PM »
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