Unions

[Justwin]

Why would anyone work as a rail worker with such terrible conditions?

No unpaid sick days
Always on call
No PTO
No health insurance
No retirement plan
Minimum wage pay

Who would take a job like that?

[wetwillie]

Why would anyone work as a rail worker with such terrible conditions?

No unpaid sick days
Always on call
No PTO
No health insurance
No retirement plan
Minimum wage pay

Who would take a job like that?

All the immigrants Texas is bussing to New York

[Cire]

I know one guy who is a rail worker.  Very odd duck, probably on the spectrum, can't imagine him working anywhere else and being successful really.

[Spracne]

Why would anyone work as a rail worker with such terrible conditions?

No unpaid sick days
Always on call
No PTO
No health insurance
No retirement plan
Minimum wage pay

Who would take a job like that?

This all makes me think, wtf has their union been doing exactly during its entire existence??

[star seed 7]

One of step-family members is a rail engineer in Canada and is always on call but he still gets like 3 weeks of vacation to not be on call

[Cire]

Why would anyone work as a rail worker with such terrible conditions?

No unpaid sick days
Always on call
No PTO
No health insurance
No retirement plan
Minimum wage pay

Who would take a job like that?

This all makes me think, wtf has their union been doing exactly during its entire existence??

Ever heard of the Pullman Strike?

[CNS]

Why would anyone work as a rail worker with such terrible conditions?

No unpaid sick days
Always on call
No PTO
No health insurance
No retirement plan
Minimum wage pay

Who would take a job like that?

They obviously have very good pay and bene's.  The thing is, they didn't have these conditions when hired.  Approx 3 yrs ago, many of the big rail companies laid off 1/3 of there workforce and loaded up the remaining guys with their work.  Since, due to crazy market, they have had insanely busy years.  Since they have good bene's and pay, and since many of those guys have already been with the company, they are trying to remedy the issues.  The rules around this, evidently take a long time to actually enact a rail strike.  This process started almost 3 yrs ago.  The notification of strike was given something like 3 months ago. 

The idea that a good wage should keep ppl from expecting time off with out repercussions is rough ridin' stupid, if that is what you are getting at.

[Kat Kid]

Look at the Kroger brand anti-union flyer put out by management.

[Kat Kid]

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[Justwin]

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What does "Fully Recommended Tentative Agreement" mean?

[Kat Kid]

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What does "Fully Recommended Tentative Agreement" mean?

I don’t honestly know in this context. But in bargaining a contract the bargaining team must get the bargaining unit to have 50% +1 of the bargaining unit vote to approve a “tentative agreement” before it becomes the contract. The bargaining unit must vote to strike too. The “fully recommended agreement” is probably the management contract that they unilaterally issued.

[star seed 7]

Are Carl and Mary Ice involved in this?

[Kat Kid]

Are Carl and Mary Ice involved in this?

He sold to buffet.

[MakeItRain]

Why would anyone work as a rail worker with such terrible conditions?

No unpaid sick days
Always on call
No PTO
No health insurance
No retirement plan
Minimum wage pay

Who would take a job like that?

The idea that a good wage should keep ppl from expecting time off with out repercussions is rough ridin' stupid, if that is what you are getting at.

Thank you. I was reading his posts bugging out, thinking there is no way this dude thinks getting money is a substitute for even getting unpaid medical leave.

[Justwin]

Why would anyone work as a rail worker with such terrible conditions?

No unpaid sick days
Always on call
No PTO
No health insurance
No retirement plan
Minimum wage pay

Who would take a job like that?

The idea that a good wage should keep ppl from expecting time off with out repercussions is rough ridin' stupid, if that is what you are getting at.

Thank you. I was reading his posts bugging out, thinking there is no way this dude thinks getting money is a substitute for even getting unpaid medical leave.

I don't think they should face repercussions if they get sick, but they were out there complaining about how they couldn't schedule medical appointments. They have a minimum of 25 paid days off a year and some of them have 39 paid days off. Just schedule your medical appointments on one of those days. They got their unpaid sick days, so good for them.

You always face a trade off when it comes to wages and benefits. If you want more benefits, you're going to get less wages.

[MakeItRain]

Why would anyone work as a rail worker with such terrible conditions?

No unpaid sick days
Always on call
No PTO
No health insurance
No retirement plan
Minimum wage pay

Who would take a job like that?

The idea that a good wage should keep ppl from expecting time off with out repercussions is rough ridin' stupid, if that is what you are getting at.

Thank you. I was reading his posts bugging out, thinking there is no way this dude thinks getting money is a substitute for even getting unpaid medical leave.

I don't think they should face repercussions if they get sick, but they were out there complaining about how they couldn't schedule medical appointments. They have a minimum of 25 paid days off a year and some of them have 39 paid days off. Just schedule your medical appointments on one of those days. They got their unpaid sick days, so good for them.

You always face a trade off when it comes to wages and benefits. If you want more benefits, you're going to get less wages.

That's 39 days off of a 7 day work week, correct? That's abhorrent. I don't understand how some people don't get that an overworked labor force is the worst way to ensure maximum productivity.

[Justwin]

Why would anyone work as a rail worker with such terrible conditions?

No unpaid sick days
Always on call
No PTO
No health insurance
No retirement plan
Minimum wage pay

Who would take a job like that?

The idea that a good wage should keep ppl from expecting time off with out repercussions is rough ridin' stupid, if that is what you are getting at.

Thank you. I was reading his posts bugging out, thinking there is no way this dude thinks getting money is a substitute for even getting unpaid medical leave.

I don't think they should face repercussions if they get sick, but they were out there complaining about how they couldn't schedule medical appointments. They have a minimum of 25 paid days off a year and some of them have 39 paid days off. Just schedule your medical appointments on one of those days. They got their unpaid sick days, so good for them.

You always face a trade off when it comes to wages and benefits. If you want more benefits, you're going to get less wages.

That's 39 days off of a 7 day work week, correct? That's abhorrent. I don't understand how some people don't get that an overworked labor force is the worst way to ensure maximum productivity.

If it's based on a 7 day work week, it would be 49 paid days off. There are a lot more days off through the year that are not paid, obviously.

And by some people, do you mean Warren Buffett? If there's one person that knows nothing about running a business, it is him.

[MakeItRain]

Why would anyone work as a rail worker with such terrible conditions?

No unpaid sick days
Always on call
No PTO
No health insurance
No retirement plan
Minimum wage pay

Who would take a job like that?

The idea that a good wage should keep ppl from expecting time off with out repercussions is rough ridin' stupid, if that is what you are getting at.

Thank you. I was reading his posts bugging out, thinking there is no way this dude thinks getting money is a substitute for even getting unpaid medical leave.

I don't think they should face repercussions if they get sick, but they were out there complaining about how they couldn't schedule medical appointments. They have a minimum of 25 paid days off a year and some of them have 39 paid days off. Just schedule your medical appointments on one of those days. They got their unpaid sick days, so good for them.

You always face a trade off when it comes to wages and benefits. If you want more benefits, you're going to get less wages.

That's 39 days off of a 7 day work week, correct? That's abhorrent. I don't understand how some people don't get that an overworked labor force is the worst way to ensure maximum productivity.

If it's based on a 7 day work week, it would be 49 paid days off. There are a lot more days off through the year that are not paid, obviously.

And by some people, do you mean Warren Buffett? If there's one person that knows nothing about running a business, it is him.

Tthe articles are pretty clear that the current situation is due to a decrease in the work force, and the current situation wasn't always the standard.

I'm certain that Warren Buffett knows that more work, in a vacuum, doesn't increase productivity, it's a pretty basic concept that everyone gets other than inexperienced lower level management.

[Kat Kid]

Most people that know me know that I am a union man and that I love organized labor.  One thing I get asked a fair amount is—“but what about this union, isn’t this bad?” Or “look at this guy, isn’t it mumped up that the union defended him?”

In reverse order, no I pretty much look at unions like lawyers everyone deserves due process, even murderers or whatever but the union can also make choices about what they say or if they say anything.

The answer to the first is related to my last point which is police unions are almost all bad from what I can tell by their spokespeople and they basically have zero solidarity with other unions so they can eff off.

UPS wont cross picket lines to deliver packages, but cops will arrest people to back up capital for fun just because they are cops.

So it is with not a single qualm that I come here to denounce the latest unionization drive that I have come across, RA’s.

https://twitter.com/laurenkgurley/status/1576985969634725888?s=46&t=DZpz_eoUqKjU-0uglHAEwQ

That’s right, the student cops from your dorm floor are unionizing. I am absolutely against it. Any right minded student should view RA’s with the disgust they deserve as cops and class traitors and rats. 

No solidarity for RAs!


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[Pete]

I’d further add that Barnard grads representing themselves as Columbia grads is also quite sus.

[michigancat]

I already shared this with kat kid but it also belongs here



One time I was having lunch in a downtown park and sat close to an elevator union meetup and it seemed great and awkward

[star seed 7]

I think I've mentioned it on this blog before but elevator dudes is like the top field construction trade. It's extremely difficult to get in to, I think I read somewhere they haven't even opened the books for new apprentices in like 7 years.

[Spracne]

I think I've mentioned it on this blog before but elevator dudes is like the top field construction trade. It's extremely difficult to get in to, I think I read somewhere they haven't even opened the books for new apprentices in like 7 years.

Once you get to the top, you don't want to leave.

[CNS]

I think I've mentioned it on this blog before but elevator dudes is like the top field construction trade. It's extremely difficult to get in to, I think I read somewhere they haven't even opened the books for new apprentices in like 7 years.

Been a long time since I managed a job with an elevator, but their benefits are bonkers.  They are probably the highest paid person on any jobsite they are on at any given time. They hit double time very early and hit triple time very fast too.

[sys]

great lesson in how unions can facilitate rent-seeking.  good job, everybody.