critical race theory

[sonofdaxjones]

Dax what are your thoughts on states banning the teaching of CRT?

My thoughts are that we live in a constitutional Republic and states have powers.

StarSeed aka ProgFascist.7, please walk myself and the rest of us through why you support CRT in Public Education.  Please be specific.

Also, please join me in strongly condemning the Stasi tactics of CRT supporter parents.  Please affirm below your total condemnation of these types of things.

There was a series of school board meeting here in Manhattan where a bunch of people read the Bible and yelled about Marxism, although mileage may vary that seems to be a bit more representative than what you are claiming.

That's fantastic KK, but I'm not talking about the bible or school board meetings per se.  I'm leaning more towards the proclivity of ProgFascists to make lists.   Lots of lists being made of anyone who isn't down with the CRT struggle.

It is now becoming an issue in every school board race which is probably not great for furthering any understanding of what it is for most people not posting on gE.

The origins of critical race theory, founded in critical theory are a worthy and appropriate discussion. 

Anyone who says otherwise is either blissfully unaware or purposely trying to avoid the discussion. 

[MakeItRain]

IMO they should call it something like “un-whitewashed history” or just “history”

When Pluto got kicked out of the solar system it’s not like they called it “dwarf planetary theory” or something. It was just “oops, guess we were looking at it wrong, update the textbooks plz”

So we're still going to do the thing where we're still telling black people what to call things?

Are you talking about calling Pluto a planet? Or are you telling me CRT is a term promulgated by the black community?

I'm completely disinterested in getting cute with you or anyone else with regard to this topic.

[Cire]

https://twitter.com/thedailyshow/status/1410256191075274758?s=21


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[DQ12]

When people say you can’t teach about slavery in schools - is that a thing?  I went to catholic schools growing up, so i imagine our courses weren’t exactly aligned with the prevailing state curriculum in some respects, but we definitely learned about slavery, reconstruction, Jim Crow, civil rights movement, etc.

Are public schools not touching those topics? 

[michigancat]

When people say you can’t teach about slavery in schools

Who says that?

[Rage Against the McKee]

When people say you can’t teach about slavery in schools - is that a thing?  I went to catholic schools growing up, so i imagine our courses weren’t exactly aligned with the prevailing state curriculum in some respects, but we definitely learned about slavery, reconstruction, Jim Crow, civil rights movement, etc.

Are public schools not touching those topics?

They are, but now that is all being called critical race theory and a lot of school boards are banning it.

[Kat Kid]

When people say you can’t teach about slavery in schools - is that a thing?  I went to catholic schools growing up, so i imagine our courses weren’t exactly aligned with the prevailing state curriculum in some respects, but we definitely learned about slavery, reconstruction, Jim Crow, civil rights movement, etc.

Are public schools not touching those topics?

I think that in some districts they still teach that the Civil War was about states rights. When the Texas legislature is done this session, huge swathes of the country may have their textbooks reflecting some pretty wild notions about US history because Texas and California effectively control the textbook market for everyone else.

[star seed 7]

I'm old as eff and don't really remember the specifics of what was taught in school but I'm pretty sure we never really focused on the lasting impact of racism and Jim Crow even if we were taught that it happened.

I think that's a pretty important subject to hit on.

[steve dave]

I'm old as eff and don't really remember the specifics of what was taught in school but I'm pretty sure we never really focused on the lasting impact of racism and Jim Crow even if we were taught that it happened.

I think that's a pretty important subject to hit on.

yeah, same

[Cire]

There’s lots and lots of textbooks that completely whitewash slavery, civil war etc.


https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/02/what-kids-are-really-learning-about-slavery/552098/

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[steve dave]

being from ks I recall about 30% of history class being president/general eisenhower dick sucking

[Rage Against the McKee]

For HS History iirc we focused on early US history alot and really didn't cover anything after WWI in depth. Definitely included a lot of the shitty things done to native populations and to slaves and how ever so slowly our democracy became more inclusive. But I'm going off of my memory of 1 class in particular, basically more recent history was covered briefly at lower levels iirc or also in Civics class.

We didn't cover much of Europe at all outside of WWII. It's weird to me that your school covered WWI and not WWII.

[CNS]

Mid '90's NE KS.  We covered slavery quite a bit.  It was noted to be the reason for the Civil War.  We discussed slavery conditions, slave boats, auction block sales, families sold away from each other, the Underground Railroad, etc.  We discussed Jim Crow, but only to touch on separate but equal as an intro to MLK and the Civil Rights movement. 

We discussed the history of it.  We touched on the racism of it during Jim Crow and Civil Rights, but not during pre CW time.  We also didn't really dive in to the racism part.  It was treated as a given. 

The examination of our systems as a structure that continues to disadvantage minorities never came up.  Thinking of that topic, I kinda think of it as I do the WWI and WWII mentions ITT in that it sounds so rough ridin' big, you probably can't do much with it in a high school class unless it's the entire class.  That said, it should be introduced, IMO, as part of the Civil Rights discussion.  I mean, when I was young, I had no idea what statistical differences some of our systems hold for minorities vs white.  Racism just felt like a person to person thing.  Like, some kids are racist, and that's stupid.  I don't think the avg kid is mentally applying that forward in to our government, systems, and social infrastructures.  It would be a good thing to get your average highschooler some of that info at a minimum.   

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don't think my school did a very good job of demonstrating just how recent the 1960s were to teenagers in 2000. I always had it in my mind that this stuff was awful, but in the distant past. Never put it together that a whole lot of people were still alive that actually went through it.

[nicname]

Isn't the rub vs CRT the assertion that the US and Western systems themselves were and are inherently designed and used to keep certain types of people down, and thusly must be significantly altered or replaced?

Couldn't this same theory be applied to basically any system of laws, government, or societal structuring throughout history?

[Cire]

That sounds like whaddabouting


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[Dugout DickStone]

Mid '90's NE KS.  We covered slavery quite a bit.  It was noted to be the reason for the Civil War.  We discussed slavery conditions, slave boats, auction block sales, families sold away from each other, the Underground Railroad, etc.  We discussed Jim Crow, but only to touch on separate but equal as an intro to MLK and the Civil Rights movement. 

We discussed the history of it.  We touched on the racism of it during Jim Crow and Civil Rights, but not during pre CW time.  We also didn't really dive in to the racism part.  It was treated as a given. 

The examination of our systems as a structure that continues to disadvantage minorities never came up.  Thinking of that topic, I kinda think of it as I do the WWI and WWII mentions ITT in that it sounds so rough ridin' big, you probably can't do much with it in a high school class unless it's the entire class.  That said, it should be introduced, IMO, as part of the Civil Rights discussion.  I mean, when I was young, I had no idea what statistical differences some of our systems hold for minorities vs white.  Racism just felt like a person to person thing.  Like, some kids are racist, and that's stupid.  I don't think the avg kid is mentally applying that forward in to our government, systems, and social infrastructures.  It would be a good thing to get your average highschooler some of that info at a minimum.

Similar.  I remember we definitely covered the supreme court cases.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Isn't the rub vs CRT the assertion that the US and Western systems themselves were and are inherently designed and used to keep certain types of people down, and thusly must be significantly altered or replaced?

Couldn't this same theory be applied to basically any system of laws, government, or societal structuring throughout history?

Sure. And also sure enough, every system of laws, government, or societal structuring throughout history was eventually replaced by something better.

[catastrophe]

That’s why I don’t think it needs to be presented as a novel thing. Anyone who spends like a little bit of time actually thinking about it should be able to tell that the same system oppressing minorities during the civil rights movement had significant influence over a lot of the history books about the civil rights movement.

My history class practically ended at the civil rights movement as if everything after was like “the present age.”

[MakeItRain]

When people say you can’t teach about slavery in schools - is that a thing?  I went to catholic schools growing up, so i imagine our courses weren’t exactly aligned with the prevailing state curriculum in some respects, but we definitely learned about slavery, reconstruction, Jim Crow, civil rights movement, etc.

Are public schools not touching those topics?

You were not taught about slavery, you were made aware of its existence.

[MakeItRain]

When people say you can’t teach about slavery in schools

Who says that?

Republicans

[8manpick]

When people say you can’t teach about slavery in schools - is that a thing?  I went to catholic schools growing up, so i imagine our courses weren’t exactly aligned with the prevailing state curriculum in some respects, but we definitely learned about slavery, reconstruction, Jim Crow, civil rights movement, etc.

Are public schools not touching those topics?

You were not taught about slavery, you were made aware of its existence.

Yeah, most of the slavery I was taught about in school was the Underground Railroad and Harriet Tubman, Frederick Douglass, civil war, Lincoln, etc. Some focus on the cotton fields and plantations, but mostly about escaping or singing and things that minimized the horror.

[nicname]

ksu cat history prof Chuck Sanders didn’t leave much out iirc

[Cire]

Most slavery education is taught to make white people the saviors


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[8manpick]

Question I had… probably Google-able, but may spark conversation.  Did average Jeb white guy own slaves in say, 1820, or was it just rich landowners?  Like did 5% of white guys own slaves? 30%? 90%?

I honestly have no idea the answer to this, which speaks to my education on slavery at a top flight Kansas public school.