Farmageddon Thread

[MakeItRain]

offensive line, just offer every big huge dude you can get
snyder’s success came from it and so did kliemans at ndsu

Most recruits dislike Ck and his staff though.  Even when they start out liking him they quickly start to hate him and want to leave.

This has me worried.

The recruits they do land have lol'able offer lists. They are copying the snyder strategy of not chasing anyone that good schools want.

lol, you okay? eff, maybe I don't hate Iowa State as much as I thought I did.

[Dugout DickStone]

So you watched that game at WVU and thought out recruiting was on par with our opponents?

[KITNfury]

Complaining about our on field talent is pretty silly.

[Kid In the Hall]

149 yards on 47 plays (3.1 ypp).

In this day and age, that's just so unbelievably poor (regardless of the circumstances).

Is that for the 1st half?

For additional perspective, even if that was just for a half and you doubled it for a total of just under 300 yards for a game, that average  would rank 120th out of 126 D1 teams.

It goes without saying where 147 yards would rank...

A historically poor offensive performance that is so unbelievably bad that it makes the defense giving up 40+ points look pretty good by comparison.

[Dugout DickStone]

which offensive players were out due to covid?

[MakeItRain]

So you watched that game at WVU and thought out recruiting was on par with our opponents?

I think our recruiting needs to improve for sure, that's a hell of a lot different than

The recruits they do land have lol'able offer lists

That's ridiculous
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2021/krew-jackson-257479#school-interests
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2021/ozzie-hoffler-251835#school-interests
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2021/andrew-leingang-260211#school-interests
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2021/brayden-wood-210894#school-interests
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2021/rj-garcia-258542#school-interests
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2021/jake-rubley-216933#school-interests


And this is with 10 more scholarships to give

[PurpleOil]

Calling my shot......if Rubley isnt the real deal then coach K is fired at end of 22 season

100% no chance unless there's scandal. We'd have to damn near go winless in 21' & '22 for that to even be a possibly.

I'm not sold on this. If we have another bad season next year, even though this year is a bit of a throwaway season, the fans will start to turn on him. Getting shut out by Iowa Freaking State is well below the acceptable standards of our program. It just doesn't happen.

If we lose on out this season then Klieman will be 0-8 against WVU, OSU, Baylor, and Texas. He will have gone 8-0 against TCU, Tech, KU and somehow OU. ISU is the only split.

That's not setting the world on fire and unless we get some talent in across the board, those numbers likely won't hold. Back to back years without bowl appearances will turn up the heat pretty quick.

[Dugout DickStone]

akron, buffalo

[MakeItRain]

Calling my shot......if Rubley isnt the real deal then coach K is fired at end of 22 season

100% no chance unless there's scandal. We'd have to damn near go winless in 21' & '22 for that to even be a possibly.

I'm not sold on this. If we have another bad season next year, even though this year is a bit of a throwaway season, the fans will start to turn on him. Getting shut out by Iowa Freaking State is well below the acceptable standards of our program. It just doesn't happen.

If we lose on out this season then Klieman will be 0-8 against WVU, OSU, Baylor, and Texas. He will have gone 8-0 against TCU, Tech, KU and somehow OU. ISU is the only split.

That's not setting the world on fire and unless we get some talent in across the board, those numbers likely won't hold. Back to back years without bowl appearances will turn up the heat pretty quick.

You said it's a throwaway season then gave the season weight in your analysis. Yeah, fans will start to turn on him if he has another bad year next year, but what does that even mean, some have already turned on him? In your scenario, he'll do a job reset in the AAC or MWC before he gets fired.

[LickNeckey]

Calling my shot......if Rubley isnt the real deal then coach K is fired at end of 22 season

100% no chance unless there's scandal. We'd have to damn near go winless in 21' & '22 for that to even be a possibly.

I'm not sold on this. If we have another bad season next year, even though this year is a bit of a throwaway season, the fans will start to turn on him. Getting shut out by Iowa Freaking State is well below the acceptable standards of our program. It just doesn't happen.

If we lose on out this season then Klieman will be 0-8 against WVU, OSU, Baylor, and Texas. He will have gone 8-0 against TCU, Tech, KU and somehow OU. ISU is the only split.

That's not setting the world on fire and unless we get some talent in across the board, those numbers likely won't hold. Back to back years without bowl appearances will turn up the heat pretty quick.

[Purple Derpathy]

Calling my shot......if Rubley isnt the real deal then coach K is fired at end of 22 season

100% no chance unless there's scandal. We'd have to damn near go winless in 21' & '22 for that to even be a possibly.

I'm not sold on this. If we have another bad season next year, even though this year is a bit of a throwaway season, the fans will start to turn on him. Getting shut out by Iowa Freaking State is well below the acceptable standards of our program. It just doesn't happen.

If we lose on out this season then Klieman will be 0-8 against WVU, OSU, Baylor, and Texas. He will have gone 8-0 against TCU, Tech, KU and somehow OU. ISU is the only split.

That's not setting the world on fire and unless we get some talent in across the board, those numbers likely won't hold. Back to back years without bowl appearances will turn up the heat pretty quick.

You said it's a throwaway season then gave the season weight in your analysis. Yeah, fans will start to turn on him if he has another bad year next year, but what does that even mean, some have already turned on him? In your scenario, he'll do a job reset in the AAC or MWC before he gets fired.

In most people's minds, I think this season still 'counts' to some degree. It will surely count if Kleiman loses out this year and then can't break .500 in 2021 or 2022.  Next year looks very scary if Thompson and some of our seniors do not elect to return. We got a preview of what next year looks like against ISU. People say Hughes and Sullivan are subpar LBs, but without them, our defense looked awful yesterday. Yea, we're playing scout team folks in the secondary, but I'm concerned about who comes back after this never-ending rollercoaster of injuries and transfers. Simply put, we have no QB, no WRs, no DTs, no LBs, and a big question mark in the secondary next year if we don't have some folks return.

Kleiman has really rolled the dice on Rubley being the savior of this program. If he isn't an all-conference type of guy in 2022, this ship is going down.

[Dugout DickStone]

This season counts.  You can't claim the OU win and not the Ark state loss

[wetwillie]

This season has no bearing on the trajectory of our program.  If Klieman doesn’t have his crap together for the 2022 season then he will be on a hot seat.  Most on here don’t really follow recruiting so I get the ignorance but we are getting solid players to fill these classes. We may snag 6 or 7 P5 level players out of Kansas alone for the 2022 class the way things are trending.

[kashi1965]

This season has no bearing on the trajectory of our program.  If Klieman doesn’t have his crap together for the 2022 season then he will be on a hot seat.  Most on here don’t really follow recruiting so I get the ignorance but we are getting solid players to fill these classes. We may snag 6 or 7 P5 level players out of Kansas alone for the 2022 class the way things are trending.

how will he have his crap together next year? he will have the worst QB in the league. The worst WR corp in the league. No depth behind Vaughn at RB. An OL with no legit tackles. All the best players on D will have graduated with little if any talent behind them.
next year looks significantly worse than this year

[Dugout DickStone]

This season has no bearing on the trajectory of our program.  If Klieman doesn’t have his crap together for the 2022 season then he will be on a hot seat.  Most on here don’t really follow recruiting so I get the ignorance but we are getting solid players to fill these classes. We may snag 6 or 7 P5 level players out of Kansas alone for the 2022 class the way things are trending.

how will he have his crap together next year? he will have the worst QB in the league. The worst WR corp in the league. No depth behind Vaughn at RB. An OL with no legit tackles. All the best players on D will have graduated with little if any talent behind them.
next year looks significantly worse than this year

We can start the can his ass chants.

[michigancat]

This season has no bearing on the trajectory of our program.  If Klieman doesn’t have his crap together for the 2022 season then he will be on a hot seat.  Most on here don’t really follow recruiting so I get the ignorance but we are getting solid players to fill these classes. We may snag 6 or 7 P5 level players out of Kansas alone for the 2022 class the way things are trending.

how will he have his crap together next year? he will have the worst QB in the league. The worst WR corp in the league. No depth behind Vaughn at RB. An OL with no legit tackles. All the best players on D will have graduated with little if any talent behind them.
next year looks significantly worse than this year

Losing just one OL from the two deep is a reason for optimism (as bad as they have been)

[wetwillie]

This season has no bearing on the trajectory of our program.  If Klieman doesn’t have his crap together for the 2022 season then he will be on a hot seat.  Most on here don’t really follow recruiting so I get the ignorance but we are getting solid players to fill these classes. We may snag 6 or 7 P5 level players out of Kansas alone for the 2022 class the way things are trending.

how will he have his crap together next year? he will have the worst QB in the league. The worst WR corp in the league. No depth behind Vaughn at RB. An OL with no legit tackles. All the best players on D will have graduated with little if any talent behind them.
next year looks significantly worse than this year

I don’t agree with much of what you said but also I said 2022 not 2021.  Willis and Mitchum are legit tackles and I expect one or both of them to start next year.   It frees up Beebe to be 100% interior and Talor Warner and Poitier  along with Rivas and Delforge will be a great group along the interior. I think Duffie will still have to play on the edge one more year.  Ervin showed a lot of promise last year and Vaughn and Mozee will be solid too.  They really like the young TE’s and depending on if Wheeler can ever not be injured he is good too. WR I think Garber will break out next year like EBD did this year, he just needs on more spring to get it all out together.  A lot riding on Rubley being worth a crap because I don’t have a great answer at QB.

[ChiComCat]

I still wouldn't be surprised if Sky returns for a year but Rubley needs to be a stud longterm.  I'm not surprised that Howard sucks as he's a true freshman, but I am concerned that he hasn't improved.  I also haven't seen any flashes of a high upside from Howard.

[wetwillie]

I’m pinning my hopes on Rubley, no negative consequences.

[Dugout DickStone]

The Mole knows how to recruit, and keep talent.

[PurpleOil]

The Mole knows how to recruit, and keep talent.

Based on what? NDSU is a different game than a P5 school. Again, my jury is still out, but there's cause for concern with the way this season has imploded.

This season has no bearing on the trajectory of our program.  If Klieman doesn’t have his crap together for the 2022 season then he will be on a hot seat.  Most on here don’t really follow recruiting so I get the ignorance but we are getting solid players to fill these classes. We may snag 6 or 7 P5 level players out of Kansas alone for the 2022 class the way things are trending.

Try the 2021 season. If next season looks a lot like the second half of this season, especially last Saturday where we weren't even competitive, then Gene is going to be feeling a lot of pressure to not allow him a 4th season.

[wetwillie]

He just gave him an extension, surely you aren’t being serious.

[wiley]

I do wonder (if Skylar doesn't return) if they look at the transfer portal for a senior QB.

[MakeItRain]

He just gave him an extension, surely you aren’t being serious.

These people are out of their goddamned minds.

[MakeItRain]

I do wonder (if Skylar doesn't return) if they look at the transfer portal for a senior QB.

Why would they need to do that? May as well cut Lewis and Howard if you're going to do that.