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« Reply #125 on: January 07, 2021, 09:51:45 AM »
Yeah I could be wrong because I didn't follow it super closely.  I just recall a lot of people on the left pointing at Russia and referencing election interference, etc. 

Regardless, I agree that yesterday was far beyond whatever occurred post 2016.


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« Reply #126 on: January 07, 2021, 09:52:37 AM »
that's a nice clean way to split the party right there. 45% MAGA 55% Pub. We're going to lose an assload of elections for a decade but hopefully, eventually, we are the party of moderates. this is obviously all fan-fic, I realize.

What's your party's platform on abortion?

more conservative than democrats and therefore yours.

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« Reply #127 on: January 07, 2021, 09:57:24 AM »
Yeah I could be wrong because I didn't follow it super closely.  I just recall a lot of people on the left pointing at Russia and referencing election interference, etc. 

Regardless, I agree that yesterday was far beyond whatever occurred post 2016.

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« Reply #128 on: January 07, 2021, 09:58:11 AM »
Yeah I could be wrong because I didn't follow it super closely.  I just recall a lot of people on the left pointing at Russia and referencing election interference, etc. 

Regardless, I agree that yesterday was far beyond whatever occurred post 2016.

Yeah, the left was pointing at things that actually happened and asking president Trump to do something about them.

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« Reply #130 on: January 07, 2021, 10:01:30 AM »
I also agree that the complaints being rooted in facts vs. complete fabrication is an important distinction between the 2016 and 2020 complaints.

Same with comparisons to BLM demonstrations.

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« Reply #131 on: January 07, 2021, 10:02:36 AM »
that's a nice clean way to split the party right there. 45% MAGA 55% Pub. We're going to lose an assload of elections for a decade but hopefully, eventually, we are the party of moderates. this is obviously all fan-fic, I realize.

What's your party's platform on abortion?

more conservative than democrats and therefore yours.

Abstention is always an option.  If the new Pub platform is merely more conservative than Dems, the new Pub party is going to be a lot smaller than the 55% of Republicans that don't approve of the storming of the Capitol.

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« Reply #132 on: January 07, 2021, 10:10:07 AM »
that's a nice clean way to split the party right there. 45% MAGA 55% Pub. We're going to lose an assload of elections for a decade but hopefully, eventually, we are the party of moderates. this is obviously all fan-fic, I realize.

What's your party's platform on abortion?

more conservative than democrats and therefore yours.

Abstention is always an option.  If the new Pub platform is merely more conservative than Dems, the new Pub party is going to be a lot smaller than the 55% of Republicans that don't approve of the storming of the Capitol.

no it's not.

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« Reply #133 on: January 07, 2021, 10:12:00 AM »
Most Republicans with a choice of pro life conservative terrorists and pro choice moderates will side with the terrorists

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« Reply #134 on: January 07, 2021, 10:17:04 AM »
Most Republicans with a choice of pro life conservative terrorists and pro choice moderates will side with the terrorists
Only so long as the conservative terrorists killed fewer people than those lost in abortions.

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« Reply #135 on: January 07, 2021, 10:19:47 AM »
Most Republicans with a choice of pro life conservative terrorists and pro choice moderates will side with the terrorists
Only so long as the conservative terrorists killed fewer people than those lost in abortions.

Yeah, the numbers don't matter at all. It's nothing more than an excuse to justify other awful beliefs and/or behavior.

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« Reply #136 on: January 07, 2021, 10:21:24 AM »
Most Republicans with a choice of pro life conservative terrorists and pro choice moderates will side with the terrorists

hence the ass kicking they took in early November.

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« Reply #137 on: January 07, 2021, 10:50:16 AM »
here are some scenarios:

- figure out how to rehabilitate MAGAs. will require immediate losses to their ranks in primaries to more moderate conservatives while there is momentum and them eventually just fading away or they go back to not caring about politics.
- keep going down the road of moderate republicans holding their nose and aligning with/voting for MAGAs and ultimately just being MAGAs. there aren't a lot of brave conservatives in office as we've seen pretty clearly over the last four years.
- splitting the party now and, over the long term, building a party of moderates from current GOP and current Dem like minded people. this is my fan fic.

none of these are going to cleanly happen and whatever does will be a mix of them obviously.

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« Reply #138 on: January 07, 2021, 10:55:49 AM »
#3 sounds so dreamy.

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« Reply #139 on: January 07, 2021, 10:59:20 AM »
Yeah that’s a fun dream.

Like the party of: hey guys what if we didn’t spend a ton and ALSO didn’t hate gays and immigrants?

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« Reply #140 on: January 07, 2021, 11:01:38 AM »
The gop must condemn the MAGA/Q people within the party. Cut off all support and funding and also openly denounce them. They won't and will continue to play footsie with them because these are the people who vote in the primaries and they don't want to lose what power they still have.

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« Reply #141 on: January 07, 2021, 11:01:51 AM »
Like the party of: hey guys what if we didn’t spend a ton and ALSO didn’t hate gays and immigrants?

Add in some healthcare end environment stuff to accommodate moderate dems.

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« Reply #142 on: January 07, 2021, 11:10:14 AM »
Yeah that’s a fun dream.

Like the party of: hey guys what if we didn’t spend a ton and ALSO didn’t hate gays and immigrants?

That party already exists. Just register democrat.

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« Reply #143 on: January 07, 2021, 11:15:59 AM »
#3 sounds so dreamy.

how do we kick out the magas who try to clog the toilet and vape up our place?

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« Reply #144 on: January 07, 2021, 11:18:55 AM »
If all of the moderate republicans join the dems, then the progressive dems can form their own party immediately after the maga party dies.

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« Reply #145 on: January 07, 2021, 11:22:39 AM »
Yeah that’s a fun dream.

Like the party of: hey guys what if we didn’t spend a ton and ALSO didn’t hate gays and immigrants?

That party already exists. Just register democrat.
The Democrat spending hawks will fly the coop when they get back control of Congress.

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« Reply #146 on: January 07, 2021, 11:24:46 AM »
Yeah that’s a fun dream.

Like the party of: hey guys what if we didn’t spend a ton and ALSO didn’t hate gays and immigrants?

That party already exists. Just register democrat.
The Democrat spending hawks will fly the coop when they get back control of Congress.

They won't run the sort of deficits Trump did. At least when you compare post-COVID to pre-COVID, they won't.

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« Reply #147 on: January 07, 2021, 11:24:49 AM »
The vast majority of BidenVoters polled after 2016 thought the election was stolen from Mega Corrupt Hillary Clinton.


Wrong.  Let's not forget even when he won, Trump was the one who claimed fraud.

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A new POLITICO/Morning Consult survey showed that 25 percent of registered voters say they agree with Trump that millions of people improperly cast ballots last November. But if the election was subject to voter fraud, 35 percent say it's more likely any improper votes benefited Trump, and 30 percent say they benefited Clinton.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/poll-donald-trump-voter-fraud-234458
I’ve posted the poll on this blog before, Phil. You just missed it.

The 4 years of destabilization and delegitimization stands for itself(ves).

Dems have in one form or fashion attempted to impeach the last 5 Pub presidents. 

Dems challenged the last 3 Pub wins in Congress. 

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« Reply #148 on: January 07, 2021, 11:26:50 AM »
And I think everyone already recognizes this, but there’s a razor thin difference between a moderate dem and moderate Republican. Just so happens representatives of both are generally spineless enough to go along with however the rest of their party is voting.

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« Reply #149 on: January 07, 2021, 11:33:03 AM »
Yeah that’s a fun dream.

Like the party of: hey guys what if we didn’t spend a ton and ALSO didn’t hate gays and immigrants?

That party already exists. Just register democrat.
The Democrat spending hawks will fly the coop when they get back control of Congress.

They won't run the sort of deficits Trump did. At least when you compare post-COVID to pre-COVID, they won't.

Big difference between not spending a ton and not running big deficits.