The riot to reform police thread

[sys]

yeah, unless republicans in the senate have a change of heart, local govts will soon be forced to enact major cuts to all sorts of services.  paradise here we come.

[sonofdaxjones]

Dems:  Our massive pile on spending requires that you Republicans must have a change of heart

Meanwhile being directly engaged in the process; states begin trying to spend CARES Act money in some of the stupidest ways possible in order to make it appear to the constituency that their benevolent state leaders love them and wish them well.   

[michigancat]

yeah, unless republicans in the senate have a change of heart, local govts will soon be forced to enact major cuts to all sorts of services.  paradise here we come.

I gotta say I didn't expect widespread anti-cop movements to convert sys to the pro-cop side but these are crazy times

[sys]

i'm not the slightest bit pro cop.  it's just that "defund the police" is so stupid.

[michigancat]

"defund the police" is so stupid.

Sorry, this statement is a slight bit pro cop. You're like two and a half steps from "Blue Lives Matter".

[wetwillie]

Rusty is firing on all cylinders goodness

[michigancat]

I believe these are the steps

"ACAB" is very profane and mean and it won't be said in this household
"Defund the police" is so stupid
"End qualified immunity"
Most cops are good
Blue Lives Matter

[kim carnes]

Rusty is firing on all cylinders goodness

When is he not ?

[sys]

"defund the police" is so stupid.

Sorry, this statement is a slight bit pro cop.

no it isn't.

[sys]

I believe these are the steps

"ACAB" is very profane and mean and it won't be said in this household
"Defund the police" is so stupid
"End qualified immunity"
Most cops are good
Blue Lives Matter

you're now arguing that "end qualified immunity" is a pro-police statement?

[michigancat]

I believe these are the steps

"ACAB" is very profane and mean and it won't be said in this household
"Defund the police" is so stupid
"End qualified immunity"
Most cops are good
Blue Lives Matter

you're now arguing that "end qualified immunity" is a pro-police statement?

It's certainly more pro-cop than "defund the police" on the spectrum of pro cop statements

[sys]

defund the police is a nonsensical statement.  as soon as the slogan came to be, everyone associated with it tripped over themselves trying to explain that defund the police doesn't mean defunding the police.  and the example everyone give of a community that "defunded the police" has more police and a large policing budget now than before.

[chum1]

Wanting zero cops is police neutral. Wanting cops to be killed is anti-police.

[michigancat]

defund the police is a nonsensical statement.  as soon as the slogan came to be, everyone associated with it tripped over themselves trying to explain that defund the police doesn't mean defunding the police.  and the example everyone give of a community that "defunded the police" has more police and a large policing budget now than before.

sys, you criticize that slogan more than you criticize the police

 

[sys]

people on this board have heard me criticize the police for the last 15 years.  i don't need to keep repeating it now that people finally agree with me.

[michigancat]

people on this board have heard me criticize the police for the last 15 years.  i don't need to keep repeating it now that people finally agree with me.

you're like those lib hippies who were recently converted to full-on qanons through the gateway drug of anti-vaccing, it's just that your path to bootlicking was triggered by a hastily-written semantically imperfect slogan. a slow, slippery slope.

in all seriousness, it is kind of funny how the pro-cop/anti-black crowd is very rigid to the direct literal meaning of "Defund the Police" but boy, when it comes to "Black Lives Matter" we need to go deep into the political beliefs of every person who's ever marched to find out what they REALLY mean. (and of course people who are for defunding the police and black lives mattering are the opposite.)

[steve dave]

defund the police is a nonsensical statement.  as soon as the slogan came to be, everyone associated with it tripped over themselves trying to explain that defund the police doesn't mean defunding the police.  and the example everyone give of a community that "defunded the police" has more police and a large policing budget now than before.

agree, horrendous marketing.

[steve dave]

people on this board have heard me criticize the police for the last 15 years.  i don't need to keep repeating it now that people finally agree with me.

yeah, I will vouch for ksufans sys making me wtf with his takes on this. and here we are now.

[sys]

in all seriousness, it is kind of funny how the pro-cop/anti-black crowd is very rigid to the direct literal meaning of "Defund the Police" but boy, when it comes to "Black Lives Matter" we need to go deep into the political beliefs of every person who's ever marched to find out what they REALLY mean. (and of course people who are for defunding the police and black lives mattering are the opposite.)

in terms of slogan quality, black lives matter is the exact opposite of defund the police.  even if you are against black lives matter, the organization, you can't disagree with the black lives matter, the slogan.  it's a branding masterpiece.

[michigancat]

"defund the police" isn't a great slogan but it also isn't officially part of any organized movement as far as I can tell. This article uses the "defund the police" for a headline but is a pretty good explanation of what I'm thinking when I hear it:

https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/defunding-the-police-will-actually-make-us-safer/

not sure what a better slogan would be but I'm open to ideas

in all seriousness, it is kind of funny how the pro-cop/anti-black crowd is very rigid to the direct literal meaning of "Defund the Police" but boy, when it comes to "Black Lives Matter" we need to go deep into the political beliefs of every person who's ever marched to find out what they REALLY mean. (and of course people who are for defunding the police and black lives mattering are the opposite.)

in terms of slogan quality, black lives matter is the exact opposite of defund the police.  even if you are against black lives matter, the organization, you can't disagree with the black lives matter, the slogan.  it's a branding masterpiece.

yes

[steve dave]

defund the police is a great slogan for the people who don't understand/won't understand/don't want to understand/actively seek to use it against the people who want to do what it means. it's an F- as a slogan for people that want to "defund the police".

[MakeItRain]

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Ooh, I need this for kso, thanks

[MakeItRain]

I think Leonydus was trying to say that racism isn't a problem, it's just that blacks are predisposed to do more of the violent crimes

Yeah, it seems like the only point there was to show that black people commit more crimes per million people. I'll give him credit though, at least we didn't get that idiotic "black people make up 15% of the population but commit.80% of all the crimes" bullshit.

I believe it also shows the police are not as racist as they are made out to be.

That's an incredibly silly way to look at those stats and to minimize the the issue of excessive force.

[catastrophe]

defund the police is a great slogan for the people who don't understand/won't understand/don't want to understand/actively seek to use it against the people who want to do what it means. it's an F- as a slogan for people that want to "defund the police".

Agreed. And bonus points if people pumping “defund the police” criticize ending qualified immunity as a pro-police half measure.

[michigancat]

LOL

https://twitter.com/PortlandDSA/status/1299563147934666753