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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1475 on: August 28, 2020, 11:45:45 AM »
Disturbing thought. Makes sense, though.

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1476 on: August 28, 2020, 11:48:34 AM »
Most Trumpers are very maliable and just need to watch Fox News for a few hours and are back in lockstep.
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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1477 on: August 28, 2020, 12:00:10 PM »
This is taken under advisement while pondering the Putin got Trump elected conspiracy theory.

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1478 on: August 28, 2020, 12:20:48 PM »
Dax inadvertently brings up a great point, lots of this propaganda and disinformation by the right wing media is heavily pushed by russia
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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1480 on: August 28, 2020, 12:46:59 PM »
fun muffin, I hope you realize that proves nothing and that Leonydus is a douche.

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1481 on: August 28, 2020, 12:56:20 PM »
cities just need to defund, good luck with your little reform bullshit

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« Reply #1482 on: August 28, 2020, 12:58:40 PM »
fun muffin, I hope you realize that proves nothing and that Leonydus is a douche.

it's simple math. 

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« Reply #1483 on: August 28, 2020, 12:59:49 PM »
fun muffin, I hope you realize that proves nothing and that Leonydus is a douche.

it's simple math.

If you can't understand why the Math is fudged then you're an idiot.

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1484 on: August 28, 2020, 01:00:46 PM »
the number of white people convicted of violent crimes might go up a tad if cops were ever convicted of the violent crimes they commit

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« Reply #1485 on: August 28, 2020, 01:01:48 PM »
fun muffin, I hope you realize that proves nothing and that Leonydus is a douche.

it's simple math.

If you can't understand why the Math is fudged then you're an idiot.

Guess I'm an idiot.  But i genuinely would love to learn.  Please explain it to me. 

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« Reply #1486 on: August 28, 2020, 01:06:22 PM »
I think Leonydus was trying to say that racism isn't a problem, it's just that blacks are predisposed to do more of the violent crimes

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1487 on: August 28, 2020, 01:27:38 PM »
fun muffin if you truly want to understand why there is more to it than math, simply look up JC Nichols and what he did with HOA Zoning.  Heavily educate yourself on systemic racism, and you will begin to learn why there may be higher crime rates in poor, heavily black populated areas.  Research why "ghetto's" exist.  Ask yourself why black people get pulled over more than white people just because they look suspicious. 

Rural white America is ignorant on the history of black suppression in this country.  They don't learn because they don't care...and because it does not affect them.  The majority of small Kansas towns (for example) do not have a single black person in them.  So why would there be any empathy towards them?

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This still heavily exists today.  I could put many members of my rural Kansas family in a room with a bunch of black people and they would react in the most weird and uncomfortable way you could imagine.  I'm also confident a couple of my cousins would keep their hand on their knife just expecting to get robbed.

It's rough ridin' ridiculous and it needs to change.
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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1488 on: August 28, 2020, 01:38:16 PM »
You sure your wife didn't see this at a hipster coffee shop?

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« Reply #1489 on: August 28, 2020, 01:49:56 PM »
I think Leonydus was trying to say that racism isn't a problem, it's just that blacks are predisposed to do more of the violent crimes

Yeah, it seems like the only point there was to show that black people commit more crimes per million people. I'll give him credit though, at least we didn't get that idiotic "black people make up 15% of the population but commit.80% of all the crimes" bullshit.

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« Reply #1490 on: August 28, 2020, 02:06:38 PM »
I think Leonydus was trying to say that racism isn't a problem, it's just that blacks are predisposed to do more of the violent crimes

Yeah, it seems like the only point there was to show that black people commit more crimes per million people. I'll give him credit though, at least we didn't get that idiotic "black people make up 15% of the population but commit.80% of all the crimes" bullshit.

I believe it also shows the police are not as racist as they are made out to be. 

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1491 on: August 28, 2020, 02:14:03 PM »
Disturbing thought. Makes sense, though.

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1492 on: August 28, 2020, 03:11:19 PM »
The FBI's most wanted in several cities reads like a whose-who of white middle and upper middle class kids living at the very pinnacle of first world problems.   But to Da Big Sociopath's of this world, they're heroes.  Who cares if they're helping burn down black businesses and communities as long as it's all OrangeMan: Bad

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The good news I suppose is that appears that at least in Portland, they're hiding behind their mommies a little less these days.

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« Reply #1493 on: August 28, 2020, 03:22:09 PM »
I think Leonydus was trying to say that racism isn't a problem, it's just that blacks are predisposed to do more of the violent crimes

Could both changing the way police are trained and disciplined, and curtailing violent crime (regardless of race) be tools to the solution of less people being killed by police?

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1495 on: August 28, 2020, 03:32:52 PM »
"stop resisting"
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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1496 on: August 28, 2020, 03:48:04 PM »
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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1497 on: August 28, 2020, 04:40:21 PM »
Disturbing thought. Makes sense, though.

https://twitter.com/ryanlcooper/status/1299369043430969344

those data are probably messy as hell, and i bet you could get wildly different results based on how you worded the survey question, but even accepting the graph as the only data source, cooper's interpretation doesn't make sense.  you get approval pretty much instantaneously bouncing up to about 53% after the floyd murder.  that approval then gradually drifts down to 49%.  you don't need to touch a trump supporter to get 53 or 49%, but more importantly, that's only about a 4% change.  the driver of the much larger change in net support is respondents changing from undecided to oppose, a change that happened more gradually than the change from undecided to support which is almost a straight line up right after floyd was murdered.

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Re: The riot to reform police thread
« Reply #1498 on: August 28, 2020, 04:43:02 PM »
cities just need to defund, good luck with your little reform bullshit

i thought defund the police was just a clever slogan for reforming the police?


the idea that "well, we can't pass minor policing reforms, i guess we'll just abolish the police instead" is an amusing response.
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« Reply #1499 on: August 28, 2020, 04:55:44 PM »
cities just need to defund, good luck with your little reform bullshit

i thought defund the police was just a clever slogan for reforming the police?


the idea that "well, we can't pass minor policing reforms, i guess we'll just abolish the police instead" is an amusing response.

well major budget cuts is happening locally
cities just need to defund, good luck with your little reform bullshit

i thought defund the police was just a clever slogan for reforming the police?


the idea that "well, we can't pass minor policing reforms, i guess we'll just abolish the police instead" is an amusing response.

major budget cuts locally are way more feasible than seemingly common sense reforms in one of the most liberal states in the country. but have fun with this!