The riot to reform police thread

[nicname]

He was cutting thru that crowd like Stone Cold in a surprise appearance on Raw. Did they not notice or did they gtf away from the maniac with a gun? That dude was a half step from gunning it into that crowd. Thankful he didn’t, but why leave the car and just peace out THRU the crowd. That’s some NWO crap.

[MakeItRain]

Unless they saw the gun, there was no way most of those people could know. I'm assuming they have spent a week+ hearing random bangs and pops. Him running through the crowd was brilliant because he blended in great with the thousand other white guys in a dark hoodie. Unfortunately, he left his rough ridin' car there making it pretty damn easy for him to get found, if the Seattle police were interested in such things.

[catastrophe]

So Minneapolis is actually going to defund the police department, cRusty was really a pioneer on this.

I'm excited to see what they end up with!

I’ve been trying my darndest to figure out what “defund the police” means, and as far as I can tell it means “reform.”

My early impression is that “defund the police” is going to be the progressive version of “repeal and replace Obamacare.”

[Rage Against the McKee]

Yeah, the "defund the police" thing seems dumb to me because the goal seems to be to still have a police department. It's the opposite of the dog whistles conservatives have been using.

[Dugout DickStone]

I am assuming the defund the police the insane weaponry they pretend they need.

The RCPD MRAP would be a victim of this defund campaign, right?

[cfbandyman]

Yeah, the "defund the police" thing seems dumb to me because the goal seems to be to still have a police department. It's the opposite of the dog whistles conservatives have been using.

Yeah, it definitely doesn't sound great, it's not a great optical issue. If it was reform I guess it would sit a lot better. Maybe it needs to sound so dramatic to get attention. IDK

[Rage Against the McKee]

Ted Cruz likes to say "abolish the EPA" and that seems about the same.

[catastrophe]

Yeah, the "defund the police" thing seems dumb to me because the goal seems to be to still have a police department. It's the opposite of the dog whistles conservatives have been using.

Yeah, it definitely doesn't sound great, it's not a great optical issue. If it was reform I guess it would sit a lot better. Maybe it needs to sound so dramatic to get attention. IDK

I think it has two purposes.

First, it’s an emotional campaign to placate a large segment of protestors.

Second, it’s basically a rallying cry. Although it doesn’t really mean anything, people understand it as meaning doing a lot more than we’ve been doing. “Reform” has basically become synonymous with doing nothing.

[michigancat]

I don't think "defund" or "reform" go far enough. I agree that "reform" basically says "do nothing". But like I said, let's see what Minneapolis comes up with when they actually put things into action.

[cfbandyman]

Yeah, the "defund the police" thing seems dumb to me because the goal seems to be to still have a police department. It's the opposite of the dog whistles conservatives have been using.

Yeah, it definitely doesn't sound great, it's not a great optical issue. If it was reform I guess it would sit a lot better. Maybe it needs to sound so dramatic to get attention. IDK

I think it has two purposes.

First, it’s an emotional campaign to placate a large segment of protestors.

Second, it’s basically a rallying cry. Although it doesn’t really mean anything, people understand it as meaning doing a lot more than we’ve been doing. “Reform” has basically become synonymous with doing nothing.

I mean that is fair, and at the end of the day if meaningful things come out of it great, I just think it gives chowder to the wrong people and gives some people pause about what the heck is actually going on and want to do something about it. But I guess you got to want beyond what is actually needed into order to move the needle.

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Unless they saw the gun, there was no way most of those people could know. I'm assuming they have spent a week+ hearing random bangs and pops. Him running through the crowd was brilliant because he blended in great with the thousand other white guys in a dark hoodie. Unfortunately, he left his rough ridin' car there making it pretty damn easy for him to get found, if the Seattle police were interested in such things.

He walked through the crowd to the police.



Video's in here: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/man-shot-after-gunman-drives-car-into-capitol-hill-protesters/

Also shows that goal of non-panicking dude was to hold that shitty plastic barrier down on the car to keep it from advancing further. Much confidence in his strength.

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It means a city has the county sherriff's office do all the traditional police work.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-04/how-camden-new-jersey-reformed-its-police-department

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don't think "defund" or "reform" go far enough. I agree that "reform" basically says "do nothing". But like I said, let's see what Minneapolis comes up with when they actually put things into action.

Actually "defunding" a police department would mean that there just isn't a police department anymore. How does that not go far enough?

[mocat]

i take "defund" to mean reduce their budget, not eliminate it

[michigancat]

I don't think "defund" or "reform" go far enough. I agree that "reform" basically says "do nothing". But like I said, let's see what Minneapolis comes up with when they actually put things into action.

Actually "defunding" a police department would mean that there just isn't a police department anymore. How does that not go far enough?

True but I think it as more of a call to give them less money than its proper definition

[michigancat]

Can't make a catchy slogan out of "Reduce the Police budget by up to 35%"

[mocat]

if drivers of honda civics with WA plates are packing now, sheesh

[Dugout DickStone]

Can't make a catchy slogan out of "Reduce the Police budget by up to 35%"

Our the wraps on those mraps!

[michigancat]

who's leading the seattle protests? they seem especially feisty. Is it just they're more progressive than most other cities?

[michigancat]

pretty wild

https://twitter.com/camerongrey/status/1269899831901749249

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who's leading the seattle protests? they seem especially feisty. Is it just they're more progressive than most other cities?

Nobody.  Even various "leaders" and groups are in-fighting about who's the voice of the community.  It's transformed into a political game with various characters and officials all trying to advance their own interests.

There have been plenty of other protests and marches that haven't gotten crazy.  What you've seen is all from a block in the most libby neighborhood where there's a police precinct. 

[michigancat]

who's leading the seattle protests? they seem especially feisty. Is it just they're more progressive than most other cities?

Nobody.  Even various "leaders" and groups are in-fighting about who's the voice of the community.  It's transformed into a political game with various characters and officials all trying to advance their own interests.

There have been plenty of other protests and marches that haven't gotten crazy.  What you've seen is all from a block in the most libby neighborhood where there's a police precinct.

Interesting. It also seems like there's really a bit of the "antifa" professional protester element, like white people who live for events like Charlottesville.

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who's leading the seattle protests? they seem especially feisty. Is it just they're more progressive than most other cities?

Nobody.  Even various "leaders" and groups are in-fighting about who's the voice of the community.  It's transformed into a political game with various characters and officials all trying to advance their own interests.

There have been plenty of other protests and marches that haven't gotten crazy.  What you've seen is all from a block in the most libby neighborhood where there's a police precinct.

Interesting. It also seems like there's really a bit of the "antifa" professional protester element, like white people who live for events like Charlottesville.

If there wasn't coronavirus and the soccer team was playing, most of those people would be getting it all out at the games.

[michigancat]

so based off browsing Ben Shapiro's twitter this morning, it seems like the go-to conservative response to defunding the police is "what'll you do if someone is breaking into your home?" Like how often do cops prevent home invasions in progress?

the other go-to is "you're going to hurt minority communities!" which is definitely something conservatives have shown is important to them time and time again.

[sys]

anytime you have to explain that your slogan doesn't mean what everyone thinks it means, you have a bad slogan.