The riot to reform police thread

[sys]

i don't think it will be terribly interesting.

activists that insist on those messages will be sidelined and used as a foil for politicians to signal they are reasonable by rejecting.  national/state (dem) politicians will walk a tightrope trying to sympathize with the objective but say it goes too far/isn't practical.  local politicians will just reject it outright.  republicans will try to say all dems secretly want this goal.

[michigancat]

i don't think it will be terribly interesting.

activists that insist on those messages will be sidelined and used as a foil for politicians to signal they are reasonable by rejecting.  national/state (dem) politicians will walk a tightrope trying to sympathize with the objective but say it goes too far/isn't practical.  local politicians will just reject it outright.  republicans will try to say all dems secretly want this goal.

This scenario is contingent on it not getting any significant support from less progressive Democrats. Which isn't unlikely, but this seems different from most other "progressive" causes in a lot of ways.

[catastrophe]

Unless “abolish the police” is commonly understood to mean something different than what it sounds like, no one with any credibility will support it.

[sys]

this seems different from most other "progressive" causes in a lot of ways.

i would say, at root, it is not a progressive cause at all, it is, to some extent, a black cause, and african-americans are the least progressive faction of the dem coalition.

young progressives trying to push this issue beyond what is supported by the majority of black voters is not going to get any traction whatsoever.

[nicname]

Very reasonable list of demands from Project Justice ICT imo. I’d back pretty much all of this.


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[michigancat]

this seems different from most other "progressive" causes in a lot of ways.

i would say, at root, it is not a progressive cause at all, it is, to some extent, a black cause, and african-americans are the least progressive faction of the dem coalition.

young progressives trying to push this issue beyond what is supported by the majority of black voters is not going to get any traction whatsoever.

I wouldn't argue any of that. The question is how far black voters will go and will the centrists follow them. I'm pretty sure progressives will.

[Spracne]

Gonna be interesting to see how this plays out politically as the defund/abolish the police gets more organization and support:

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1269420894017015808

Poor white mayor all like "how do I reeeach these blaaaaaaaaaacks???"

[treysolid]

wichita's PD budget is over $600 million??? 

[treysolid]

wichita PD service issue sidearms:

[TheHamburglar]

wichita's PD budget is over $600 million??? 

City budget is over $600 million. PD is $98 million.

[Spracne]

wichita's PD budget is over $600 million??? 

No. Thats the entire city budget.

[michigancat]

Uhhh

https://twitter.com/mat/status/1269699879296618501

[treysolid]

wichita's PD budget is over $600 million??? 

City budget is over $600 million. PD is $98 million.

ok, thats much better. But still alot. I'm not going to look for it but it'd be interesting to see a breakdown as to how PDs spend their money each year.

[Phil Titola]

KCPD budget is 275M. 15% of kcmo budget. Think a lot of it goes to the pension.

[wetwillie]

So Minneapolis is actually going to defund the police department, cRusty was really a pioneer on this.

[michigancat]

So Minneapolis is actually going to defund the police department, cRusty was really a pioneer on this.

I'm excited to see what they end up with!

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https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1269842341461848065

https://twitter.com/lindseywasson/status/1269843291018690561

https://twitter.com/chaseburnsy/status/1269833325440462848

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https://twitter.com/SeanNyberg/status/1269841468903964673

[sys]

i don't mean to be insensitive the man who was shot, but there is something funny about the last video with the highly distraught distant narrator and the protesters right next to the shooter seemingly not caring at all.

"yeah, he shot a guy.  obviously.  but right now i gotta get this barricade back upright.

[Spracne]

i don't mean to be insensitive the man who was shot, but there is something funny about the last video with the highly distraught distant narrator and the protesters right next to the shooter seemingly not caring at all.

"yeah, he shot a guy.  obviously.  but right now i gotta get this barricade back upright.

I also had some private thoughts about the narrator that I kept to myself.

[treysolid]

apologies if this was luked. john oliver just closed out his show with a really good video of author kimberly jones. decided to post the full thing here.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb9_qGOa9Go[/youtube]

[MakeItRain]

The narrator was a bit dramatic but there was no reason to believe that he wasn't going to just indiscriminately shoot people, he was callous and reckless enough to drive through the crowd. Also most of those people around the dude with the gun had no idea what the eff was going on, that scene was chaotic, to say the least. When he shot, the people closest to the car jumped back then stayed the hell away from him.

[sys]

to be clear, if i was anywhere near the shooter, the narrator would have made me look calm.  the protestors that were all "whatever, homicidal gun guy, get out here, i've got protesting to do." spark wonder in me.