The riot to reform police thread

[Phil Titola]

https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1267478952387411970
https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1267480306371760135

Luckily at this point everybody knows he just rants and doesn't mean a thing he says and they all just ignore him but how disturbing he thinks that is the answer.

[Phil Titola]

I've witnessed mahy protests at this same location on the plaza and this is the only one I remember where it's immediate cops lining up in a riot formation.  The past other ones that even got police attention, the police would stage blocks away to be close in case something happened.

It's such an ironic response.

[Purple Derpathy]

So it appears difficult to define what good 'policing' looks like during a riot. We've seen a few good examples, but I don't see these success stories being implemented on a large scale.

I wonder where things would go if some large city just said, screw it, we are not going to police this crap so have at it. Do protesters continue to burn and loot crap with complete disregard. Or, without being incensed by police, do they protest in a more peaceful fashion with only isolated incidents of aforementioned burning/looting?

Without the police, you probably have civilians start to take matters into their own hands to protect their livelihood/property/businesses. That, you don't want as some folks are not going to show much restraint.

Bottom line, nothing is going to fix this right now. You could charge, convict, and give the 4 cops the death sentence and nothing would change come Friday night in Oakland. You could institute all the legislative crap you want and folks are still going to 'riot not rally.'

better yet what if a city said "we're going to defund and demilitarize the police and make real reform". You think it's about arresting and convicting the officers, but it's not. That's a symptom, not the disease

Numerous cities have tried that (the defunding / shrinking part). The number of law enforcement in the US has been shrinking since 2013. Are we any better off?

[sonofdaxjones]

I've witnessed mahy protests at this same location on the plaza and this is the only one I remember where it's immediate cops lining up in a riot formation.  The past other ones that even got police attention, the police would stage blocks away to be close in case something happened.

It's such an ironic response.

Originally from St. Paul, Minn.,

https://www.kcpd.org/about/chief-richard-smith/

[catastrophe]

In Chicago with the police distracted / protecting downtown yesterday, there was a shitload of looting out in the neighborhoods which was pretty unrelated to any protests. Like people driving down the street jumping out of cars to go grab crap. I don’t think zero resistance is the answer.

That’s actually a great reason for what I’m suggesting. The cops are too “distracted” right now cause they’re trying to manage crowds that are pretty unmanageable. Leave resources available to go after the unrelated looting in adjoining areas.

[DQ12]

In Chicago with the police distracted / protecting downtown yesterday, there was a shitload of looting out in the neighborhoods which was pretty unrelated to any protests. Like people driving down the street jumping out of cars to go grab crap. I don’t think zero resistance is the answer.

That’s actually a great reason for what I’m suggesting. The cops are too “distracted” right now cause they’re trying to manage crowds that are pretty unmanageable. Leave resources available to go after the unrelated looting in adjoining areas.

And just surrender Michigan Ave.?  That ain’t happening.

[Phil Titola]

In Chicago with the police distracted / protecting downtown yesterday, there was a shitload of looting out in the neighborhoods which was pretty unrelated to any protests. Like people driving down the street jumping out of cars to go grab crap. I don’t think zero resistance is the answer.

That’s actually a great reason for what I’m suggesting. The cops are too “distracted” right now cause they’re trying to manage crowds that are pretty unmanageable. Leave resources available to go after the unrelated looting in adjoining areas.

And just surrender Michigan Ave.?  That ain’t happening.

So the assumption is protestors would just loot the streets without the cops there?  I don't know if that's accurate.  I'd say the cops are still there but more for traffic management.  Maybe I'm being pollyanna about this but most protestors are there looking for a fight/trouble.

[Sandstone Outcropping]

https://medium.com/@BarackObama/how-to-make-this-moment-the-turning-point-for-real-change-9fa209806067

I thought this was good.

[michigancat]

So it appears difficult to define what good 'policing' looks like during a riot. We've seen a few good examples, but I don't see these success stories being implemented on a large scale.

I wonder where things would go if some large city just said, screw it, we are not going to police this crap so have at it. Do protesters continue to burn and loot crap with complete disregard. Or, without being incensed by police, do they protest in a more peaceful fashion with only isolated incidents of aforementioned burning/looting?

Without the police, you probably have civilians start to take matters into their own hands to protect their livelihood/property/businesses. That, you don't want as some folks are not going to show much restraint.

Bottom line, nothing is going to fix this right now. You could charge, convict, and give the 4 cops the death sentence and nothing would change come Friday night in Oakland. You could institute all the legislative crap you want and folks are still going to 'riot not rally.'

better yet what if a city said "we're going to defund and demilitarize the police and make real reform". You think it's about arresting and convicting the officers, but it's not. That's a symptom, not the disease

Numerous cities have tried that (the defunding / shrinking part). The number of law enforcement in the US has been shrinking since 2013. Are we any better off?

what are some examples? I know of Camden, NJ is one of the more serious examples

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/01/what-happened-to-crime-in-camden/549542/

https://www.inquirer.com/news/camden-george-floyd-peaceful-protests-20200531.html

[Phil Titola]

Is every city seeing protestors being a wide variety of races?  That's pretty awesome if so.

[michigancat]

a fun little break thread

https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/status/1267211844646768644

[star seed 7]

That's great 

In the US he'd have been shot

[sonofdaxjones]

That's great 

In the US he'd have been shot

Yep, Chilean para military riot police, the epitome of control.

[star seed 7]

That's great 

In the US he'd have been shot

Yep, Chilean para military riot police, the epitome of control.

Always a lap down, such a sad old boomer

https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2018/jun/16/doj-police-shooting-family-dogs-has-become-epidemic/

specialist at the Department of Justice’s (“DOJ”) community-oriented program services office says it has become an “epidemic.” The DOJ estimates that around 25 to 30 dogs are killed by cops every day, with some numbers as high as 10,000 per year. The totals could, in fact, be higher, since most police agencies do not formally track officer-involved shootings involving animals.

[sonofdaxjones]

That's great 

In the US he'd have been shot

Yep, Chilean para military riot police, the epitome of control.

Always a lap down, such a sad old boomer

https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2018/jun/16/doj-police-shooting-family-dogs-has-become-epidemic/

specialist at the Department of Justice’s (“DOJ”) community-oriented program services office says it has become an “epidemic.” The DOJ estimates that around 25 to 30 dogs are killed by cops every day, with some numbers as high as 10,000 per year. The totals could, in fact, be higher, since most police agencies do not formally track officer-involved shootings involving animals.

Yeah, weird segue

[steve dave]

https://twitter.com/dril/status/1267506614954672128


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[DQ12]

In Chicago with the police distracted / protecting downtown yesterday, there was a shitload of looting out in the neighborhoods which was pretty unrelated to any protests. Like people driving down the street jumping out of cars to go grab crap. I don’t think zero resistance is the answer.

That’s actually a great reason for what I’m suggesting. The cops are too “distracted” right now cause they’re trying to manage crowds that are pretty unmanageable. Leave resources available to go after the unrelated looting in adjoining areas.

And just surrender Michigan Ave.?  That ain’t happening.

So the assumption is protestors would just loot the streets without the cops there?  I don't know if that's accurate.  I'd say the cops are still there but more for traffic management.  Maybe I'm being pollyanna about this but most protestors are there looking for a fight/trouble.

I mean yeah I think that’s a fair enough assumption.  That’s literally what 8man said was happening in suburbs that don’t have the police presence to curb the crowds there.

[star seed 7]

That's great 

In the US he'd have been shot

Yep, Chilean para military riot police, the epitome of control.

Always a lap down, such a sad old boomer

https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2018/jun/16/doj-police-shooting-family-dogs-has-become-epidemic/

specialist at the Department of Justice’s (“DOJ”) community-oriented program services office says it has become an “epidemic.” The DOJ estimates that around 25 to 30 dogs are killed by cops every day, with some numbers as high as 10,000 per year. The totals could, in fact, be higher, since most police agencies do not formally track officer-involved shootings involving animals.

Yeah, weird segue

Yeah, totally unrelated to the subject of this thread 

rough ridin' idiot

[michigancat]

don't know why this video is in this format

https://twitter.com/ElijahRay6/status/1267480682344984579

[star seed 7]

Ugh, absolutely no reason for that

[MakeItRain]

A thread on what it was like in brooklyn last night

https://twitter.com/Toure/status/1267302014293364737

and some videos of cops protecting the people! too bad we don't have a Blaze writer calling it murder!

https://twitter.com/jangelooff/status/1267287782155857923

https://twitter.com/jangelooff/status/1267308341660979200






and really, here's what cops care about:

https://twitter.com/Toure/status/1267326586627534849

That was a fantastic thread of tweets by Touré

[sonofdaxjones]

That's great 

In the US he'd have been shot

Yep, Chilean para military riot police, the epitome of control.

Always a lap down, such a sad old boomer

https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2018/jun/16/doj-police-shooting-family-dogs-has-become-epidemic/

specialist at the Department of Justice’s (“DOJ”) community-oriented program services office says it has become an “epidemic.” The DOJ estimates that around 25 to 30 dogs are killed by cops every day, with some numbers as high as 10,000 per year. The totals could, in fact, be higher, since most police agencies do not formally track officer-involved shootings involving animals.

Yeah, weird segue

Yeah, totally unrelated to the subject of this thread 

rough ridin' idiot

SFB Useful Idiot .9 talking about unrelated posting . . . 

[chum1]

https://twitter.com/PradhanAlka/status/1267513761860026368

[MakeItRain]

https://medium.com/@BarackObama/how-to-make-this-moment-the-turning-point-for-real-change-9fa209806067

I thought this was good.

Did this article apologize for not being a forceful voice of leadership when he had the chance? If not, I'm not reading.

[Phil Titola]

In Chicago with the police distracted / protecting downtown yesterday, there was a shitload of looting out in the neighborhoods which was pretty unrelated to any protests. Like people driving down the street jumping out of cars to go grab crap. I don’t think zero resistance is the answer.

That’s actually a great reason for what I’m suggesting. The cops are too “distracted” right now cause they’re trying to manage crowds that are pretty unmanageable. Leave resources available to go after the unrelated looting in adjoining areas.

And just surrender Michigan Ave.?  That ain’t happening.

So the assumption is protestors would just loot the streets without the cops there?  I don't know if that's accurate.  I'd say the cops are still there but more for traffic management.  Maybe I'm being pollyanna about this but most protestors are there looking for a fight/trouble.

I mean yeah I think that’s a fair enough assumption.  That’s literally what 8man said was happening in suburbs that don’t have the police presence to curb the crowds there.

those sounded like opportunistic people knowing the cops were too busy with their show of force at the protest sites.

I'm not saying no police presence but give the protests room to breath.  If I'm protesting police brutality and cops are stanidng 10 foot away in riot gear armed with gas, that only seems to incite the crowd more.  By all reports these are peaceful protestors.