Author Topic: political hobbyist thread  (Read 7945 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Online michigancat

  • Contributor
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 46140
  • change your stupid avatar.
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #200 on: December 01, 2020, 09:22:46 PM »
he must have misspoke.  i've heard/read him say it enough times i can pretty much repeat it from memory - the median voter is a 50 year-old, white, non-college male that watches 5 hours of tv/day.

He upped it to six and a half hours too!

Online michigancat

  • Contributor
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 46140
  • change your stupid avatar.
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #201 on: December 01, 2020, 09:24:44 PM »


Shor is getting around more these days or do I just recognize him now?

Quote
Ultimately, in this hyperpolarized world, what national media outlets choose to talk about is going to be much more important in determining whether [Democratic Congressman] Collin Peterson survives in Minnesota’s 7th district than anything he does. That’s just the reality. [This month, Peterson lost his bid for reelection.]

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/11/12/2020-election-analysis-democrats-future-david-shor-interview-436334

but yeah interesting article though.  I got to this and was like "WHAT?!?"

Quote
The average voter in a general election is something like 50 years old — in a midterm or primary, it’s higher. They don’t have a college degree. They watch about six hours of TV a day — that’s the average; there are people who watch more.

something about that seems off

other thoughts

-crazy he can point to ONE MISTAKE costing the 2016 election
-The white college educated shift to dems is an interesting one, especially the idea that they're sort of shoving out minorities
-he's got a huge boner for non-college whites. I don't know how his numbers work out but should Dems maybe focus on minorities that are shifting away before being racist-friendly? dunno
-he was less like a robot but still kinda roboty

He said average voter here too

Offline 8manpick

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 18068
  • A top quartile binger, poster, and friend
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #202 on: December 01, 2020, 09:54:08 PM »
Sounds like this Shor fella is a quack
:adios:

Online sys

  • Contributor
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 36482
  • your reputation will never recover, nor should it.
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #203 on: December 01, 2020, 11:22:34 PM »
i guess i couldn't quite recite it from memory.
"can we really expect politicians to do the right thing if their voters are demanding them not to do it?"

Online michigancat

  • Contributor
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 46140
  • change your stupid avatar.
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #204 on: December 01, 2020, 11:58:14 PM »
i guess i couldn't quite recite it from memory.

It's OK, I don't think Shor can either

Online MakeItRain

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 32760
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #205 on: December 02, 2020, 12:03:01 AM »

Offline memphis

  • Katpak'r
  • ***
  • Posts: 2525
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #206 on: December 02, 2020, 10:09:32 PM »
Should probs Shor up this thread with a Hughes video interview  :driving: (I think this is dated)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_a113OGaTg

Online michigancat

  • Contributor
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 46140
  • change your stupid avatar.
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #207 on: December 02, 2020, 10:26:46 PM »
Should probs Shor up this thread with a Hughes video interview  :driving: (I think this is dated)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_a113OGaTg
Oh God

Online MakeItRain

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 32760
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #208 on: December 02, 2020, 11:28:22 PM »
Should probs Shor up this thread with a Hughes video interview  :driving: (I think this is dated)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_a113OGaTg

Get all the way the eff out of here

Online sys

  • Contributor
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 36482
  • your reputation will never recover, nor should it.
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #209 on: December 02, 2020, 11:48:20 PM »
oh yeah, baby.  got my listening schedule mapped out for tonight.
"can we really expect politicians to do the right thing if their voters are demanding them not to do it?"

Offline memphis

  • Katpak'r
  • ***
  • Posts: 2525
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #210 on: December 12, 2020, 06:40:44 PM »
kind of old, did make me wonder about wage raises and stimulus/loans. Is a slow phase in "better" or should there be slower paths for different local economies (I guess I was thinking nationally, dunno if even inside of a state that would make sense)?

https://www.kpcw.org/post/florida-just-passed-15-minimum-wage-time-right-big-nationwide-hike#stream/0

Offline memphis

  • Katpak'r
  • ***
  • Posts: 2525
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #211 on: December 13, 2020, 01:55:48 PM »
Guess this is a good as place as any for this. If you enjoy reading rando snapshots of how people view the world/US politics.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/12/13/letter-to-washington-20-americans-explain-2020-election-433756

Online sys

  • Contributor
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 36482
  • your reputation will never recover, nor should it.
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #212 on: December 13, 2020, 03:07:37 PM »
Guess this is a good as place as any for this. If you enjoy reading rando snapshots of how people view the world/US politics.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/12/13/letter-to-washington-20-americans-explain-2020-election-433756

that was an interesting read.
"can we really expect politicians to do the right thing if their voters are demanding them not to do it?"

Online sys

  • Contributor
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 36482
  • your reputation will never recover, nor should it.
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #213 on: December 16, 2020, 11:32:00 PM »
imo, the best shor interview yet.  hayes is a good interviewer.

"can we really expect politicians to do the right thing if their voters are demanding them not to do it?"

Online michigancat

  • Contributor
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 46140
  • change your stupid avatar.
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #214 on: December 16, 2020, 11:59:13 PM »
imo, the best shor interview yet.  hayes is a good interviewer.


better than Coleman Hughes? :Wha:

Online sys

  • Contributor
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 36482
  • your reputation will never recover, nor should it.
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #215 on: December 29, 2020, 08:17:54 PM »
"can we really expect politicians to do the right thing if their voters are demanding them not to do it?"

Offline memphis

  • Katpak'r
  • ***
  • Posts: 2525
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #216 on: January 11, 2021, 08:30:27 AM »
Olllllder article, happened upon it. Felt v inside digital media, but was interesting reading some of the pelts of the Intercept. Didn't know a superpac that supported Jeb back in 2016, which got itself a FEC fine due to Chinese cash cited the Intercept reporting.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/24/the-intercept-greenwald-grim-profile-media-politics-left-liberal-226710

Online MakeItRain

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 32760
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #217 on: January 11, 2021, 12:54:06 PM »
I love The Intercept, and I'm happy to see them getting more traction. It's very easy for the media to point out conservative grift, there seems to be very little appetite for the corporate media to point out liberal hypocrisy.

Offline memphis

  • Katpak'r
  • ***
  • Posts: 2525
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #218 on: January 13, 2021, 10:23:30 AM »
So the Old Dominion this year passed ranked choice voting can be done at the local level and funds to implement if wanted. Seems like a decent idea to build up voter/citizen confidence with perhaps the idea it could filter up to state and federal if it's reception goes well.

Alternatively, it could just never get any use because no one wants to put in the effort for an unknown return. I'd guess it won't go beyond a few cities/counties for local use. It's not like because RCV is used in charter cities at the local level in Cali, for awhile now, that it made the state rethink their other elections for example. I guess Newsom even said no dice to expanding it.

https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+sum+HB1103

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Gavin-Newsom-vetoes-bill-to-allow-ranked-choice-14535193.php

Online sys

  • Contributor
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 36482
  • your reputation will never recover, nor should it.
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #219 on: January 17, 2021, 03:16:29 PM »
not great.

"can we really expect politicians to do the right thing if their voters are demanding them not to do it?"

Offline star seed 7

  • hyperactive on the :lol:
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 55725
  • good dog
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #220 on: January 17, 2021, 03:29:40 PM »
not great.


Yes, this is scary
Hyperbolic partisan duplicitous hypocrite

Offline memphis

  • Katpak'r
  • ***
  • Posts: 2525
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #221 on: January 19, 2021, 08:37:11 PM »
not sure how i feel about yglesias leaving vox

I feel like a "dam of takes" was released, but I didn't follow him that much prior tbh

I bet he's super jelly of Ezra

?s=20
« Last Edit: January 20, 2021, 06:59:13 PM by memphis »

Offline memphis

  • Katpak'r
  • ***
  • Posts: 2525
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #222 on: January 21, 2021, 02:07:53 PM »
Seems like the filibuster debate is heating up again, which I'm kind of surprised about since I figured Manchin had already crushed it.

?s=20
« Last Edit: January 21, 2021, 02:15:21 PM by memphis »

Offline catastrophe

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 10799
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #223 on: January 21, 2021, 10:21:12 PM »
not great.


Yes, this is scary
Late to the party here but yes that is a big rough ridin' red flag.

Offline memphis

  • Katpak'r
  • ***
  • Posts: 2525
    • View Profile
Re: political hobbyist thread
« Reply #224 on: January 22, 2021, 01:08:44 PM »
Option 4 seems like something mod institutionalists in the Senate would bite on if majority rule w/o the current cloture rules is viewed negatively.

Quote
Allow passage of bills that can currently be filibustered when a simple majority supports the legislation in two successive Congresses, with an intervening election.

https://www.vox.com/22238630/filibuster-reform-senate-manchin-ideas