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Quote from: MakeItRain on November 04, 2020, 04:59:27 PMYou dumb moderate dems will keep focusing on trump instead of the fact that republicans are hugely reliably conservative. You incrementalists are far more harmful than conservatives.I think this is the type of zeal that could one day lead to a strong progressive reliable voting coalition that pulls out Ws.
You dumb moderate dems will keep focusing on trump instead of the fact that republicans are hugely reliably conservative. You incrementalists are far more harmful than conservatives.
Quote from: memphis on November 04, 2020, 05:32:32 PMQuote from: MakeItRain on November 04, 2020, 04:59:27 PMYou dumb moderate dems will keep focusing on trump instead of the fact that republicans are hugely reliably conservative. You incrementalists are far more harmful than conservatives.I think this is the type of zeal that could one day lead to a strong progressive reliable voting coalition that pulls out Ws.I know I'm losing my crap here but I'm frustrated because we keep doing the same crap over and over again and the democrats keep making excuses instead of fixing their party. Trump made gains with black men and hispanics because they are being completely left behind by democrats. Now I know trump and the republicans aren't actually interested in helping anyone out, the rhetoric is just for votes, but at this point a lot of people are in the place where they are saying, well, at least he's talking to us. Black men are leaving because democrats aren't giving them a reason to stay. Once republicans figure out the patriarchy thing, which I do think there is some movement there, dems will start to lose black women too. We've been warned about this for several cycles, this isn't new crap.What frustrates me the most is that this isn't only a thing for black men and latin x, there is a large segment of poor and middle class white people out there voting trump who can be had if we gave people health care and a higher minimum wage. The democrats are rough ridin' cowards being led by people who are primarily interested in holding on to some modicum of the status quo. People were still voting yesterday when Nancy announced she's going to make deals with the pubs. I'm frustrated and tired of the dumb bullshit.
It seems any Dem candidate would garner huge numbers of anti-Trump voters, but someone who isn't speaking primarily to moderate republicans could garner more.
I mean I literally addressed that with the rest of that post. Attempting to win national and statewide elections without motivating and exciting parts of your base is a fools errand
Quote from: michigancat on November 04, 2020, 05:04:15 PMIt seems any Dem candidate would garner huge numbers of anti-Trump voters, but someone who isn't speaking primarily to moderate republicans could garner more.only if you make the (rather odd) assumptions that 1) few anti-trump conservatives and moderates would change their vote or decline to vote for a candidate more at odds with them ideologically, and 2) many progressive voters are not also anti-trump.fundamentally, i think the diagnosis that the race was closer than expected because a candidate that garnered the most votes in the country's history in an election with the highest turnout % in over a century because that candidate didn't turn out voters is probably off the mark.
Trump team just called GA for Biden too. This election result is going to be reasonably close to what the forecast maps called forhttps://twitter.com/courtneydbryant/status/1324139665285328899Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote from: steve dave on November 04, 2020, 06:22:27 PMDrumpf team just called GA for Biden too. This election result is going to be reasonably close to what the forecast maps called forhttps://twitter.com/courtneydbryant/status/1324139665285328899Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI like to imagine Drumpf seeing his lead dwindle on television and being like, "MAKE IT STOP! STOP THE COUNTING!!! DO SOMETHING!!!"
Drumpf team just called GA for Biden too. This election result is going to be reasonably close to what the forecast maps called forhttps://twitter.com/courtneydbryant/status/1324139665285328899Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Way more fun than when he wanted to stop counting covid cases
Also a chance he ends with 306 which is more than Trumps 304 over Clinton and that is going to ENRAGE trump.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote from: MakeItRain on November 04, 2020, 04:49:00 PMI mean I literally addressed that with the rest of that post. Attempting to win national and statewide elections without motivating and exciting parts of your base is a fools errandyeah, i understand that you believed this prior to the election and would like to apply that belief to the current situation, but unfortunately the facts of the most recent election are at odds with this hypothesis.
Quote from: steve dave on November 04, 2020, 06:22:27 PMTrump team just called GA for Biden too. This election result is going to be reasonably close to what the forecast maps called forhttps://twitter.com/courtneydbryant/status/1324139665285328899Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkTrump's lead is 40k and there are still ~168k ballots to be counted between Fulton, DeKalb, Clayton, Richmond, Bibb, Muscogee, Dougherty, and Chatham counties. All those are blue with Joe getting ~69-70% of the vote. Conservatively, that points to Joe picking up an additional 64k votes. So, I wouldn't be shocked to see GA turn blue.
NO! YOUR BIASED INTERPRETATION OF THE DATA IS WRONG, NOT MY BIASED INTERPRETATION OF THE DATA
Quote from: MakeItRain on November 04, 2020, 07:52:55 PMNO! YOUR BIASED INTERPRETATION OF THE DATA IS WRONG, NOT MY BIASED INTERPRETATION OF THE DATAi don't believe i've offered an interpretation (other than a critique of yours).are you asking me to believe that if bernie sanders had won the nomination and defeated trump with the highest turnout in a century you would look at that result and say "well eff, i really thought voters would turn out to support a clear-voiced candidate offering bold progressive solutions. guess i was wrong."