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« Reply #21425 on: January 16, 2023, 09:31:44 AM »
Striking a nerve. Yikes!

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« Reply #21426 on: January 16, 2023, 09:38:34 AM »
Take the L wacky! You made your bed and now you can lay in it. Sorry your movement is so woke you’re literally killing yourselves. Sad!

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« Reply #21428 on: January 16, 2023, 09:55:32 AM »
BAC is in meltdown.   :surprised:

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« Reply #21429 on: January 16, 2023, 09:57:42 AM »
BAC is in meltdown.   :surprised:

Well I asked you yesterday what we (as a country/planet) SHOULD have done and you never answered me so yeah I’m kind of spinning out

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« Reply #21430 on: January 16, 2023, 10:04:38 AM »
it speaks poorly of this board that the only conservatives who regularly post here are incapable of distinguishing fact from fiction.
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« Reply #21431 on: January 16, 2023, 10:08:25 AM »
It speaks very poorly of this board that @sys is a dogmatic non thinker who is at best a regurgitator of what other people tell him to believe.  A wholesale parrot boy.




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« Reply #21432 on: January 16, 2023, 10:10:08 AM »
Wait, I need to know that 'stone doesn't think Trump got in a lab coat and went to work. That's not what he thinks happened, right?! :Wha:

Are you joking or stupid? 

Trump created operation warp speed and called it the trump vax - that along with moving himself and entire family to the front of the vax line.  Of course that barely functioning dipcrap doesn't have the IQ to develop a vaccine, c'mon even you can grasp that.  but he created the program to create it and has taken credit many times along with pumping himself full of it.

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« Reply #21433 on: January 16, 2023, 10:11:05 AM »
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« Reply #21434 on: January 16, 2023, 10:12:28 AM »
it speaks poorly of this board that the only conservatives who regularly post here are incapable of distinguishing fact from fiction.

a) I'd be curious as to which conservatives you're talking about?
b) Same could be said for some of our liberal posters. 
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« Reply #21435 on: January 16, 2023, 10:13:42 AM »
I was kidding, bud. Because you bring it up all the time, because you want to be on the right side of history no matter what. You pivot pretty quickly whenever some new data comes out that says maybe it's not as big of a shield as everyone thought and it could be causing health issues for some.

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« Reply #21436 on: January 16, 2023, 10:16:18 AM »
I was kidding, bud. Because you bring it up all the time, because you want to be on the right side of history no matter what. You pivot pretty quickly whenever some new data comes out that says maybe it's not as big of a shield as everyone thought and it could be causing health issues for some.

what do I bring up all the time?  That the vaccine was created under trump and he loved to give it to his family?  I guess guilty as charge?  Don't we then have to blame trump for your complaints and concerns?

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« Reply #21437 on: January 16, 2023, 10:17:17 AM »
I’m honestly terrified now! That’s what we get for listening to #blueanon the past 7 years. The most corrupt and #WRPOAT and now health concerns for forcing us to get an unknown vax shot, they knew nothing about. Crazy how time fly’s!

Kamala actually warned us about this from the beginning. I say we impeach #WRPOAT and put in charge one of the only people who was skeptical about the deadly Trump Vaccine from day 1.

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1302692892968919042

You with me, Wacks?

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« Reply #21438 on: January 16, 2023, 10:18:37 AM »
a) I'd be curious as to which conservatives you're talking about?

i only count you as half delusional.  chiefly due to your love of revving yourself up to be pre-outraged about something you think might happen in the future, even when it's obvious it will not happen.
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« Reply #21439 on: January 16, 2023, 10:25:39 AM »
it speaks poorly of this board that the only conservatives who regularly post here are incapable of distinguishing fact from fiction.

At least we still have steve dave.

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« Reply #21440 on: January 16, 2023, 10:26:27 AM »
FWIW I don't think you're very delusional, sys

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« Reply #21441 on: January 16, 2023, 10:33:18 AM »
Dax, with the value of hindsight, what SHOULD have been done? You seem like you know EXACTLY what should have been done but you’re just kind of tiptoeing around it with a wink and a nudge.

As you know I’m very slow so perhaps you could just say the quiet part out loud for me? Mayhaps you explain it in a way even I can understand?

 :lol: :lol:

Why do you always head straight to the meltdown?  I have never questioned the development of the vaccine or getting the vaccine. But what's astounding to me is how militant CoronaBro's are to even discussing possible negative outcomes from the vaccination (which operates under the wholesale paradigm shift that defined what a vaccine is (or was) . . . done in the middle of the night by the CDC) and how those things need to be looked into.  It's anti-science, but just like with the climate, I've seen again and again that when #blueanon chisels it's dogma into stone, they will not accept or allow any deviations.  :thumbsup:




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« Reply #21442 on: January 16, 2023, 10:35:58 AM »
Dax, with the value of hindsight, what SHOULD have been done? You seem like you know EXACTLY what should have been done but you’re just kind of tiptoeing around it with a wink and a nudge.

As you know I’m very slow so perhaps you could just say the quiet part out loud for me? Mayhaps you explain it in a way even I can understand?

 :lol: :lol:

Why do you always head straight to the meltdown?  I have never questioned the development of the vaccine or getting the vaccine. But what's astounding to me is how militant CoronaBro's are to even discussing possible negative outcomes from the vaccination (which operates under the wholesale paradigm shift that defined what a vaccine is (or was) . . . done in the middle of the night by the CDC) and how those things need to be looked into.  It's anti-science, but just like with the climate, I've seen again and again that when #blueanon chisels it's dogma into stone, they will not accept or allow any deviations.  :thumbsup:

Every negative outcome that I have read about is exceedingly rare and also difficult to tie to the vaccine because they are also relatively common negative outcomes from suffering from a bad case of covid.

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« Reply #21443 on: January 16, 2023, 10:38:55 AM »
Dax, with the value of hindsight, what SHOULD have been done? You seem like you know EXACTLY what should have been done but you’re just kind of tiptoeing around it with a wink and a nudge.

As you know I’m very slow so perhaps you could just say the quiet part out loud for me? Mayhaps you explain it in a way even I can understand?

 :lol: :lol:

Why do you always head straight to the meltdown?  I have never questioned the development of the vaccine or getting the vaccine. But what's astounding to me is how militant CoronaBro's are to even discussing possible negative outcomes from the vaccination (which operates under the wholesale paradigm shift that defined what a vaccine is (or was) . . . done in the middle of the night by the CDC) and how those things need to be looked into.  It's anti-science, but just like with the climate, I've seen again and again that when #blueanon chisels it's dogma into stone, they will not accept or allow any deviations.  :thumbsup:

Every negative outcome that I have read about is exceedingly rare and also difficult to tie to the vaccine because they are also relatively common negative outcomes from suffering from a bad case of covid.

Using phrases like "it's difficult to tie to the vaccine" is a perfect example that affirms that they truly don't know.  For CoronaBro's that means the science is settled.  Which is nonsense.






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« Reply #21444 on: January 16, 2023, 10:40:19 AM »
Dax, with the value of hindsight, what SHOULD have been done? You seem like you know EXACTLY what should have been done but you’re just kind of tiptoeing around it with a wink and a nudge.

As you know I’m very slow so perhaps you could just say the quiet part out loud for me? Mayhaps you explain it in a way even I can understand?

 :lol: :lol:

Why do you always head straight to the meltdown?  I have never questioned the development of the vaccine or getting the vaccine. But what's astounding to me is how militant CoronaBro's are to even discussing possible negative outcomes from the vaccination (which operates under the wholesale paradigm shift that defined what a vaccine is (or was) . . . done in the middle of the night by the CDC) and how those things need to be looked into.  It's anti-science, but just like with the climate, I've seen again and again that when #blueanon chisels it's dogma into stone, they will not accept or allow any deviations.  :thumbsup:

Hi Dax--this is your daily reminder that people on this board have rolled out the red carpet for you to actually share what science you keep referencing.

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« Reply #21445 on: January 16, 2023, 10:41:58 AM »
Dax, with the value of hindsight, what SHOULD have been done? You seem like you know EXACTLY what should have been done but you’re just kind of tiptoeing around it with a wink and a nudge.

As you know I’m very slow so perhaps you could just say the quiet part out loud for me? Mayhaps you explain it in a way even I can understand?

 :lol: :lol:

Why do you always head straight to the meltdown?  I have never questioned the development of the vaccine or getting the vaccine. But what's astounding to me is how militant CoronaBro's are to even discussing possible negative outcomes from the vaccination (which operates under the wholesale paradigm shift that defined what a vaccine is (or was) . . . done in the middle of the night by the CDC) and how those things need to be looked into.  It's anti-science, but just like with the climate, I've seen again and again that when #blueanon chisels it's dogma into stone, they will not accept or allow any deviations.  :thumbsup:

Every negative outcome that I have read about is exceedingly rare and also difficult to tie to the vaccine because they are also relatively common negative outcomes from suffering from a bad case of covid.

Using phrases like "it's difficult to tie to the vaccine" is a perfect example that affirms that they truly don't know.  For CoronaBro's that means the science is settled.  Which is nonsense.

More like, "even if there is a tie to the vaccine, your odds of suffering from this complication are a whole lot greater if you remain unvaccinated."

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« Reply #21446 on: January 16, 2023, 10:49:08 AM »
Dax, with the value of hindsight, what SHOULD have been done? You seem like you know EXACTLY what should have been done but you’re just kind of tiptoeing around it with a wink and a nudge.

As you know I’m very slow so perhaps you could just say the quiet part out loud for me? Mayhaps you explain it in a way even I can understand?

 :lol: :lol:

Why do you always head straight to the meltdown?  I have never questioned the development of the vaccine or getting the vaccine. But what's astounding to me is how militant CoronaBro's are to even discussing possible negative outcomes from the vaccination (which operates under the wholesale paradigm shift that defined what a vaccine is (or was) . . . done in the middle of the night by the CDC) and how those things need to be looked into.  It's anti-science, but just like with the climate, I've seen again and again that when #blueanon chisels it's dogma into stone, they will not accept or allow any deviations.  :thumbsup:

Every negative outcome that I have read about is exceedingly rare and also difficult to tie to the vaccine because they are also relatively common negative outcomes from suffering from a bad case of covid.

Using phrases like "it's difficult to tie to the vaccine" is a perfect example that affirms that they truly don't know.  For CoronaBro's that means the science is settled.  Which is nonsense.

More like, "even if there is a tie to the vaccine, your odds of suffering from this complication are a whole lot greater if you remain unvaccinated."

Has the highly scientific term "a whole lot greater" been quantified?  How can that even possibly be determined with any degree of certitude without first looking at a massive amount of other factors and case studies that in turn would require years of understanding and research?






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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #21447 on: January 16, 2023, 10:54:54 AM »
a) I'd be curious as to which conservatives you're talking about?

i only count you as half delusional.  chiefly due to your love of revving yourself up to be pre-outraged about something you think might happen in the future, even when it's obvious it will not happen.

Thank you for the clarification.  I'm not sure what comment you're talking about but I'm very happy that you have that crystal ball that tells you what will and won't happen in the future.  As a side note, if you could let me know the outcome of the Chief's game this weekend that would be fantastic!  Betting hasn't been very kind to me this year.
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« Reply #21448 on: January 16, 2023, 11:13:00 AM »
Dax, with the value of hindsight, what SHOULD have been done? You seem like you know EXACTLY what should have been done but you’re just kind of tiptoeing around it with a wink and a nudge.

As you know I’m very slow so perhaps you could just say the quiet part out loud for me? Mayhaps you explain it in a way even I can understand?

 :lol: :lol:

Why do you always head straight to the meltdown?  I have never questioned the development of the vaccine or getting the vaccine. But what's astounding to me is how militant CoronaBro's are to even discussing possible negative outcomes from the vaccination (which operates under the wholesale paradigm shift that defined what a vaccine is (or was) . . . done in the middle of the night by the CDC) and how those things need to be looked into.  It's anti-science, but just like with the climate, I've seen again and again that when #blueanon chisels it's dogma into stone, they will not accept or allow any deviations.  :thumbsup:

This is probably a fools errand to assume you’ve said any of that in good faith, but just in case you have I will attempt to respond to the parts I was able to translate from daxspeak to modern English:

1. Yes, you absolutely have questioned both the development of the vaccine and the need to get it. Probably louder than just about anyone on this board. Just because you agreed to get the vax does by no means at all qualify as not questioning it.

2. I don’t know why them calling it a vaccine is such a sticking point. Even if you think a vaccine means you’re automatically impervious to whatever you got vaccinated against, literally every single medical professional was practically shooting at the top of their lungs “this doesn’t make you invincible! You still need to avoid risky behaviors like large gatherings and being in close proximity to people when you can avoid it. If there were people who heard that and said “whatever let’s go jump in the mosh pit and all make out with each other because nothing can hurt me now!" Well, Im sorry you decided to listen to the professionals on Opposite Day

3. We can discuss negative outcomes all you want, the problem is you and tweedle dipshit over here continue to frame it from the perspective of comparing it to the control group of "do nothing at all" and dax we had an entire year of doing nothing and it well, I think most would agree it went not so great.

3a. Which brings me back to my original question, what should we have done differently? Even with everything we know now, what was the optimal play? Wait a few months longer to flesh out all the possible side effects, let a few more million people die as so that we could make sure a handful of elite athletes are not potentially at risk for cardiovascular issues? Don't get me wrong, all of it is tragic (regardless of whether or not the athletes having problems have any correlation to getting vaccinated) but is it better to let several more millions die? And that’s not me making a judgment that’s me asking you what you think. By the way you frame your argument you’re heavily implying that taking as much time as needed to get it right the first time was an option with little or no opportunity cost.

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« Reply #21449 on: January 16, 2023, 11:28:06 AM »
Dax, with the value of hindsight, what SHOULD have been done? You seem like you know EXACTLY what should have been done but you’re just kind of tiptoeing around it with a wink and a nudge.

As you know I’m very slow so perhaps you could just say the quiet part out loud for me? Mayhaps you explain it in a way even I can understand?

 :lol: :lol:

Why do you always head straight to the meltdown?  I have never questioned the development of the vaccine or getting the vaccine. But what's astounding to me is how militant CoronaBro's are to even discussing possible negative outcomes from the vaccination (which operates under the wholesale paradigm shift that defined what a vaccine is (or was) . . . done in the middle of the night by the CDC) and how those things need to be looked into.  It's anti-science, but just like with the climate, I've seen again and again that when #blueanon chisels it's dogma into stone, they will not accept or allow any deviations.  :thumbsup:

This is probably a fools errand to assume you’ve said any of that in good faith, but just in case you have I will attempt to respond to the parts I was able to translate from daxspeak to modern English:

1. Yes, you absolutely have questioned both the development of the vaccine and the need to get it. Probably louder than just about anyone on this board. Just because you agreed to get the vax does by no means at all qualify as not questioning it.

2. I don’t know why them calling it a vaccine is such a sticking point. Even if you think a vaccine means you’re automatically impervious to whatever you got vaccinated against, literally every single medical professional was practically shooting at the top of their lungs “this doesn’t make you invincible! You still need to avoid risky behaviors like large gatherings and being in close proximity to people when you can avoid it. If there were people who heard that and said “whatever let’s go jump in the mosh pit and all make out with each other because nothing can hurt me now!" Well, Im sorry you decided to listen to the professionals on Opposite Day

3. We can discuss negative outcomes all you want, the problem is you and tweedle dipshit over here continue to frame it from the perspective of comparing it to the control group of "do nothing at all" and dax we had an entire year of doing nothing and it well, I think most would agree it went not so great.

3a. Which brings me back to my original question, what should we have done differently? Even with everything we know now, what was the optimal play? Wait a few months longer to flesh out all the possible side effects, let a few more million people die as so that we could make sure a handful of elite athletes are not potentially at risk for cardiovascular issues? Don't get me wrong, all of it is tragic (regardless of whether or not the athletes having problems have any correlation to getting vaccinated) but is it better to let several more millions die? And that’s not me making a judgment that’s me asking you what you think. By the way you frame your argument you’re heavily implying that taking as much time as needed to get it right the first time was an option with little or no opportunity cost.

Let a "few more million people" die?  There's absolutely no way of knowing if a "few more million" people would have died. 

At the height of the original and delta outbreak, what was the death/survival rate (I won't use the real death rate because any discussion along those lines sends CoronaBro's into a total rage).   I believe if we'd stayed in lockdown that upon emerging more people would have died because protracted lock downs don't work, and we would have had thousands more people dead because of the mental outcomes of lock downs and also healthcare seeking hesitancy.