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Re: Corona Bro/Corona Meltdown/Corona Model Guessers
« Reply #8501 on: July 13, 2020, 01:38:06 PM »
There is zero way we can HEPA filter our way out of this. Seems like an HVAC moneygrab to be honest.

i'm not sure if anyone in the industry is saying HEPA is the answer. I mean HEPA can capture particles as small as 0.3 microns and covid is ~0.12 microns. It will inevitably capture SOME covid, but i think everyone knew from the onset that mechanical filtration was not ever going to be a solution.

At best its a placebo

that makes absolutely no sense.  i have no idea on the cost efficiency or the extent solutions can be added in to existing systems or anything like that, but when you have 1) very few infections traced to airplanes and 2) and estimated 20x reduction in infection risk outside compared to inside, the idea that improving circulation and filtration in building would have no effect on infection risk just doesn't match up with really anything we know.
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« Reply #8502 on: July 13, 2020, 01:51:23 PM »
I'll let you guess what technology airplanes use.

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« Reply #8503 on: July 13, 2020, 03:01:02 PM »
There is zero way we can HEPA filter our way out of this. Seems like an HVAC moneygrab to be honest.

i'm not sure if anyone in the industry is saying HEPA is the answer. I mean HEPA can capture particles as small as 0.3 microns and covid is ~0.12 microns. It will inevitably capture SOME covid, but i think everyone knew from the onset that mechanical filtration was not ever going to be a solution.

At best its a placebo

that makes absolutely no sense.  i have no idea on the cost efficiency or the extent solutions can be added in to existing systems or anything like that, but when you have 1) very few infections traced to airplanes and 2) and estimated 20x reduction in infection risk outside compared to inside, the idea that improving circulation and filtration in building would have no effect on infection risk just doesn't match up with really anything we know.

I'm not sure where i said increasing ventilation wasn't effective? I said HEPA filtration ultimately isn't going to be all that effective...no mechanical filter will b/c they can't capture particles that small. maxing out ventilation sounds like a great idea as long as the person paying the energy bill is cool with it. and even then you will have limits and eventually it will start to get pretty humid inside

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« Reply #8504 on: July 13, 2020, 03:24:21 PM »
yeah, me throwing ventilation in was a red herring.

masks allow much larger particles through and the evidence still indicates that they are effective in reducing transmission.  the virus is (mostly? entirely?) traveling along inside or on larger particles, not free floating, and filtration doesn't need to be 100% effective to reduce the risk of transmission.
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« Reply #8505 on: July 13, 2020, 03:36:17 PM »
The air purifiers make the particles larger and improve the filtration.

Kill
Capture
Dilute

Those are your three choices. None of them work 100% on their own. It takes a combination.

I primarily use capture and kill in my own home. If it's mild, I'll crack a window to dilute.

I'm still avoiding most public places because they rarely address any of those three.

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« Reply #8506 on: July 13, 2020, 03:53:56 PM »
yeah, me throwing ventilation in was a red herring.

masks allow much larger particles through and the evidence still indicates that they are effective in reducing transmission.  the virus is (mostly? entirely?) traveling along inside or on larger particles, not free floating, and filtration doesn't need to be 100% effective to reduce the risk of transmission.

ok fair enough, i suppose. I guess my point with regards to HEPA when i said it was a placebo was specifically referring to N95 masks..which are basically the equivalent of a HEPA filter. Yes, wearing a mask is an effective means of reducing transmission. But I doubt very much that an N95 mask is going to provide someone substantially more protection as compared to just wearing a regular mask.

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« Reply #8507 on: July 13, 2020, 04:15:05 PM »
Chinese and Italian Spanish antibody studies showing that in a very large % of symptomatic and asymptomatic people the antibody's are either gone or substantially dissipated within 2 to 3 months.   Dramatically raising the prospect of potentially getting the virus twice.

Substantial impact to vaccine creation. 

SARS-Covid-19 is likely here to stay with no truly effective vaccine.   

Eradication prospects, almost nil.





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« Reply #8508 on: July 13, 2020, 04:38:20 PM »
Awesome
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« Reply #8509 on: July 13, 2020, 04:38:34 PM »
Chinese and Italian Spanish antibody studies showing that in a very large % of symptomatic and asymptomatic people the antibody's are either gone or substantially dissipated within 2 to 3 months.   Dramatically raising the prospect of potentially getting the virus twice.

Substantial impact to vaccine creation. 

SARS-Covid-19 is likely here to stay with no truly effective vaccine.   

Eradication prospects, almost nil.
Wait I thought this was all asymptomatic and NBD dax?

I'm still betting on our medical community but some just love fear porn.

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« Reply #8510 on: July 13, 2020, 04:41:07 PM »
California rolling back out new lockdown measures.


https://twitter.com/gavinnewsom/status/1282752861835649024
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« Reply #8511 on: July 13, 2020, 05:02:52 PM »
Chinese and Italian Spanish antibody studies showing that in a very large % of symptomatic and asymptomatic people the antibody's are either gone or substantially dissipated within 2 to 3 months.   Dramatically raising the prospect of potentially getting the virus twice.

Substantial impact to vaccine creation. 

SARS-Covid-19 is likely here to stay with no truly effective vaccine.   

Eradication prospects, almost nil.







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« Reply #8512 on: July 13, 2020, 05:39:54 PM »
Popular Science: The racial disparities in COVID cases are even more striking than we thought.

https://www.popsci.com/story/health/coronavirus-covid-19-race-disparity/?utm_medium=syndication&utm_source=googlenews

How bout the fact that most non-white people live in higher density urban areas

We're now going on 4 months of hearing this as an excuse, I've yet to see the data to back it up. It's going to be very hard to account for 14% of the population having 3X the number of deaths because of "CITIES!" It's a very convenient excuse, especially given that 80% of all Americans live in metropolitan areas.

Ok. I’m well aware of what you think the issue is.

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« Reply #8513 on: July 13, 2020, 06:06:04 PM »
Chinese and Italian Spanish antibody studies showing that in a very large % of symptomatic and asymptomatic people the antibody's are either gone or substantially dissipated within 2 to 3 months.   Dramatically raising the prospect of potentially getting the virus twice.

Substantial impact to vaccine creation. 

SARS-Covid-19 is likely here to stay with no truly effective vaccine.   

Eradication prospects, almost nil.
Wait I thought this was all asymptomatic and NBD dax?

I'm still betting on our medical community but some just love fear porn.

LOL, please link where I've said this was "all asymptomatic"?    Please show me where I linked antibody's and asymptomatic/symptomatic.

My lawd.  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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« Reply #8514 on: July 13, 2020, 06:06:56 PM »
Chinese and Italian Spanish antibody studies showing that in a very large % of symptomatic and asymptomatic people the antibody's are either gone or substantially dissipated within 2 to 3 months.   Dramatically raising the prospect of potentially getting the virus twice.

Substantial impact to vaccine creation. 

SARS-Covid-19 is likely here to stay with no truly effective vaccine.   

Eradication prospects, almost nil.







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Thanks for your input, trim

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« Reply #8515 on: July 13, 2020, 06:21:33 PM »
https://twitter.com/srcc/status/1282802133755207684?s=21

Pubs, Qs and MAGAs (basically the same) everywhere (except good on masks Dax) must feel so owned now
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« Reply #8516 on: July 13, 2020, 08:58:13 PM »
There is zero way we can HEPA filter our way out of this. Seems like an HVAC moneygrab to be honest.

i'm not sure if anyone in the industry is saying HEPA is the answer. I mean HEPA can capture particles as small as 0.3 microns and covid is ~0.12 microns. It will inevitably capture SOME covid, but i think everyone knew from the onset that mechanical filtration was not ever going to be a solution.

At best its a placebo

that makes absolutely no sense.  i have no idea on the cost efficiency or the extent solutions can be added in to existing systems or anything like that, but when you have 1) very few infections traced to airplanes and 2) and estimated 20x reduction in infection risk outside compared to inside, the idea that improving circulation and filtration in building would have no effect on infection risk just doesn't match up with really anything we know.

There is zero way we can HEPA filter our way out of this. Seems like an HVAC moneygrab to be honest.

i'm not sure if anyone in the industry is saying HEPA is the answer. I mean HEPA can capture particles as small as 0.3 microns and covid is ~0.12 microns. It will inevitably capture SOME covid, but i think everyone knew from the onset that mechanical filtration was not ever going to be a solution.

At best its a placebo

that makes absolutely no sense.  i have no idea on the cost efficiency or the extent solutions can be added in to existing systems or anything like that, but when you have 1) very few infections traced to airplanes and 2) and estimated 20x reduction in infection risk outside compared to inside, the idea that improving circulation and filtration in building would have no effect on infection risk just doesn't match up with really anything we know.

I think airplanes have much more controlled airflow than most buildings so I question how much good a HEPA filter does at a place with poor circulation. Of course, we have some serious HVAC folks here so I'll defer to them...

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« Reply #8517 on: July 13, 2020, 09:27:26 PM »
I think airplanes have much more controlled airflow than most buildings so I question how much good a HEPA filter does at a place with poor circulation. Of course, we have some serious HVAC folks here so I'll defer to them...

yeah, my admittedly very layman's understand of airline filtration would suggest that it would take much more than just throwing a hepa filter somewhere along the air's path to replicate an airplane's turnover and lack of crossflow.

but i think it could help.

and if something like building a box around a teacher with their own personal portable hepa device or three to protect them from people's virus-ridden progeny could be the difference between having in-person instruction and not, it seems like it'd be worth exploring, even if it's no substitute for controlling population-level transmission.
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« Reply #8518 on: July 13, 2020, 09:27:35 PM »
Numbers and stuff explaining what the data is showing so far.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/07/herd-immunity-coronavirus/614035/

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« Reply #8519 on: July 13, 2020, 09:38:08 PM »
Numbers and stuff explaining what the data is showing so far.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/07/herd-immunity-coronavirus/614035/

good article.  i've been frustrated by the heterogeneity proponents refusal to consider that you would see very clear herd immunity impacts at low level of infection when interventions reduce the transmission rate.
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« Reply #8520 on: July 14, 2020, 01:37:59 PM »
Reporters have been digging in FL and found that at least one FL county over reported their positive results by . . . . 92%  :surprised: in the last few days. 


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« Reply #8521 on: July 14, 2020, 01:44:47 PM »
Is this the latest "it's a hoax" talking point now?
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« Reply #8522 on: July 14, 2020, 01:53:57 PM »
Is this the latest "it's a hoax" talking point now?

Yes, the person who supported wearing masks weeks ago is now supporting the hoax talking point.

 :lol:  amazing.   

Also the inability to read and comprehend a transcript is just so  :lol: :lol: :lol:





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« Reply #8524 on: July 14, 2020, 02:16:09 PM »
Numbers and stuff explaining what the data is showing so far.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/07/herd-immunity-coronavirus/614035/

good article.  i've been frustrated by the heterogeneity proponents refusal to consider that you would see very clear herd immunity impacts at low level of infection when interventions reduce the transmission rate.
That is a fascinating article. It seems like good news.