CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread

[420seriouscat69]

My L.A. friends (from the Midwest) just hit me up, freaking out about this. They want to plan a trip here in July. They’re losing their minds and they’re pretty liberal people overall. I’m kinda shocked about it, but love it that they’re pissed about this.

[sonofdaxjones]

California State System Schools. . . CLOSED this fall.

[420seriouscat69]

First domino for College Football in the fall.

[michigancat]

to be clear, this is the Cal State University system

https://twitter.com/ABC7Veronica/status/1260308107969748993

[420seriouscat69]

If UCLA and USC campuses are closed through August, there’s no way they could field a team in September.

[kim carnes]

I think this pretty much solidifies the fed is going to have to send out another round of checks.

No, it doesn’t. 

[treysolid]

I thought we already had it and big pharma was suppressing it?

Oh hey ChinStalker . . . Big Pharma is being fronted by the consumate TechnoCrat Dr. No aka Dr. Anthony Fauci

Who is going to Dr. No this process so Big CCP Pharma can save the day.   I foresee Big CCP Pharma spanning the globe with their vaccine while TechnoCrat Dr. No aka Tony Fauci wrings his hands about safety and calls for more double blind studies.

What's the purported link b/w Fauci and the pharmaceutical industry?

It's very hard to say.   We know that Fauci essentially funded the COG research in Wuhon to circumvent any further moratoriums on such research in the United States.    Why he isn't asked about that, I'll never know. 

Is it favoritism towards his guy Bill Gates?    Is he interested in a face saving gesture for the Chinese?   

My ScienceBro was talking a bit about how gubment scientists can profit from patents developed in their labs, but he had to go, and I couldn't get very far into that with him.   (As an aside he's dealing with a situation of theft by a senior researcher of an indirect subordinates research right now).

Nothing you said is relevant to a link between Fauci and Big Pharma. Fauci heads the NIAID, part of the collective NIH, which is a FUNDING AGENCY. The NIH gives only a small % of its money to businesses, in the form of SBIR or STTR grants, which respectively stand for Small Business Innovation Research and Small Business Technology Transfer. By definition, Big Pharma is excluded from receiving these awards (bc they are not "small businesses"). There are no monetary ties between Fauci/NIAID and Big Pharma, nor does Fauci have the authority to initiate or organize a national response within the private sector. As one of the nation's top virologists and epidemiologists, he is merely acting in an advisory role to educate the public and help inform and guide the government response.

Pfft, Fauci has ties to Big Pharma via proxies, to think that he doesn't is idiotic.   He is directly tied to Gates and Gates has huge ties to Big Pharma.    Fauci is directly tied to other non-profits who themselves have ties to Big Pharma. 

With all of that said, then why is Fauci presenting himself as a Dr. No relative to vaccines?

You can play all sorts of "six degrees of kevin bacon." I think you are confusing "ties" with "conflicts of interest". It doesn't mean any of the things that you are insinuating unless there is a mechanism in place for Fauci to enrich himself, and he takes advantage of that. The only thing I'm seeing is Fauci urging a realistic outlook when it comes to development of a therapeutic.

[Trim]

goddammit

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1260287137716539394

but beaches open Wednesday? 

kind of a misleading headline


of course the story isn't that encouraging either

Los Angeles County’s stay-at-home orders will “with all certainty” be extended for the next three months, county Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer acknowledged during a Board of Supervisors meeting on Tuesday.

Ferrer said that would only change if there was a “dramatic change to the virus and tools at hand.”

“Our hope is that by using the data, we’d be able to slowly lift restrictions over the next three months,” she said. But without widely available therapeutic testing for the coronavirus or rapid at-home tests that would allow people to test themselves daily, it seems unlikely that restrictions would be completely eased.

Non-story.  Not extending the stay-at-home order means anything goes.  So it's extended and then under it, there can be all sorts of restriction-lifting as warranted.

[sonofdaxjones]

I thought we already had it and big pharma was suppressing it?

Oh hey ChinStalker . . . Big Pharma is being fronted by the consumate TechnoCrat Dr. No aka Dr. Anthony Fauci

Who is going to Dr. No this process so Big CCP Pharma can save the day.   I foresee Big CCP Pharma spanning the globe with their vaccine while TechnoCrat Dr. No aka Tony Fauci wrings his hands about safety and calls for more double blind studies.

What's the purported link b/w Fauci and the pharmaceutical industry?

It's very hard to say.   We know that Fauci essentially funded the COG research in Wuhon to circumvent any further moratoriums on such research in the United States.    Why he isn't asked about that, I'll never know. 

Is it favoritism towards his guy Bill Gates?    Is he interested in a face saving gesture for the Chinese?   

My ScienceBro was talking a bit about how gubment scientists can profit from patents developed in their labs, but he had to go, and I couldn't get very far into that with him.   (As an aside he's dealing with a situation of theft by a senior researcher of an indirect subordinates research right now).

Nothing you said is relevant to a link between Fauci and Big Pharma. Fauci heads the NIAID, part of the collective NIH, which is a FUNDING AGENCY. The NIH gives only a small % of its money to businesses, in the form of SBIR or STTR grants, which respectively stand for Small Business Innovation Research and Small Business Technology Transfer. By definition, Big Pharma is excluded from receiving these awards (bc they are not "small businesses"). There are no monetary ties between Fauci/NIAID and Big Pharma, nor does Fauci have the authority to initiate or organize a national response within the private sector. As one of the nation's top virologists and epidemiologists, he is merely acting in an advisory role to educate the public and help inform and guide the government response.

Pfft, Fauci has ties to Big Pharma via proxies, to think that he doesn't is idiotic.   He is directly tied to Gates and Gates has huge ties to Big Pharma.    Fauci is directly tied to other non-profits who themselves have ties to Big Pharma. 

With all of that said, then why is Fauci presenting himself as a Dr. No relative to vaccines?

You can play all sorts of "six degrees of kevin bacon." I think you are confusing "ties" with "conflicts of interest". It doesn't mean any of the things that you are insinuating unless there is a mechanism in place for Fauci to enrich himself, and he takes advantage of that. The only thing I'm seeing is Fauci urging a realistic outlook when it comes to development of a therapeutic.

Apparently you missed his commentary today.   Until he answers as to why he funded GOF research in Wuhan than I am open to discussing any and all potential conflicts of interest vis-a-vis Anthony Fauci and the granularity of some of these ties is more than ample for a climate of conflict.

[kim carnes]

Dax, for the love of god, stop.

[DQ12]

BTW, less than 900 reported deaths today.   

Fully expect in the range of >2500 tomorrow, but having two days in a row of less than 1k is nice to see.  I bet our 3 day rolling average is hot AF rn.

Holy smokes, only 1500 today.  That's huge.  Best Tuesday since March.

https://covidtracking.com/data/us-daily

There's a pretty good chance this will be our best 7 days in a long time.

[Rage Against the McKee]

goddammit

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1260287137716539394

but beaches open Wednesday?

I don't see why they shouldn't be. Just enforce safe distance.

[Phil Titola]

goddammit

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1260287137716539394

but beaches open Wednesday? 

kind of a misleading headline


of course the story isn't that encouraging either

Los Angeles County’s stay-at-home orders will “with all certainty” be extended for the next three months, county Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer acknowledged during a Board of Supervisors meeting on Tuesday.

Ferrer said that would only change if there was a “dramatic change to the virus and tools at hand.”

“Our hope is that by using the data, we’d be able to slowly lift restrictions over the next three months,” she said. But without widely available therapeutic testing for the coronavirus or rapid at-home tests that would allow people to test themselves daily, it seems unlikely that restrictions would be completely eased.

Completely eased and stay at home orders are like the opposite ends of the spectrum but guess it's just phrasing of the order.

I don't expect KC to completely ease until then either. I mean that means to me full sporting events with fans.

[sonofdaxjones]

Dax, for the love of god, stop.

Go start a #FearPorn and arguing about the models and statistics thread and STFU about the thread that I started.

I even have a thread title for you:  cRusty's Covid-19 Gulag and Work Camp

[treysolid]

I thought we already had it and big pharma was suppressing it?

Oh hey ChinStalker . . . Big Pharma is being fronted by the consumate TechnoCrat Dr. No aka Dr. Anthony Fauci

Who is going to Dr. No this process so Big CCP Pharma can save the day.   I foresee Big CCP Pharma spanning the globe with their vaccine while TechnoCrat Dr. No aka Tony Fauci wrings his hands about safety and calls for more double blind studies.

What's the purported link b/w Fauci and the pharmaceutical industry?

It's very hard to say.   We know that Fauci essentially funded the COG research in Wuhon to circumvent any further moratoriums on such research in the United States.    Why he isn't asked about that, I'll never know. 

Is it favoritism towards his guy Bill Gates?    Is he interested in a face saving gesture for the Chinese?   

My ScienceBro was talking a bit about how gubment scientists can profit from patents developed in their labs, but he had to go, and I couldn't get very far into that with him.   (As an aside he's dealing with a situation of theft by a senior researcher of an indirect subordinates research right now).

Nothing you said is relevant to a link between Fauci and Big Pharma. Fauci heads the NIAID, part of the collective NIH, which is a FUNDING AGENCY. The NIH gives only a small % of its money to businesses, in the form of SBIR or STTR grants, which respectively stand for Small Business Innovation Research and Small Business Technology Transfer. By definition, Big Pharma is excluded from receiving these awards (bc they are not "small businesses"). There are no monetary ties between Fauci/NIAID and Big Pharma, nor does Fauci have the authority to initiate or organize a national response within the private sector. As one of the nation's top virologists and epidemiologists, he is merely acting in an advisory role to educate the public and help inform and guide the government response.

Pfft, Fauci has ties to Big Pharma via proxies, to think that he doesn't is idiotic.   He is directly tied to Gates and Gates has huge ties to Big Pharma.    Fauci is directly tied to other non-profits who themselves have ties to Big Pharma. 

With all of that said, then why is Fauci presenting himself as a Dr. No relative to vaccines?

You can play all sorts of "six degrees of kevin bacon." I think you are confusing "ties" with "conflicts of interest". It doesn't mean any of the things that you are insinuating unless there is a mechanism in place for Fauci to enrich himself, and he takes advantage of that. The only thing I'm seeing is Fauci urging a realistic outlook when it comes to development of a therapeutic.

Apparently you missed his commentary today.   Until he answers as to why he funded GOF research in Wuhan than I am open to discussing any and all potential conflicts of interest vis-a-vis Anthony Fauci and the granularity of some of these ties is more than ample for a climate of conflict.

I don't know what GOF stands for, but I'm about to let you in on why that research was funded. It's so scandalous that you're gonna crap a brick...

1. The grant proposal received a good impact score from the review panel (made up entirely of American scientists)
2. Coronavirus research is an area where NIAID likes to spread some dollars
3. The NIH, as it stands right now, not only allows but promotes international collaboration and will fund those collaborative projects as long as the principal investigator in charge of the project is working at an American institution.

(audible gasps)

[star seed 7]

No, it definitely has something to do with gates wanting to give us the mark of the beast

[sonofdaxjones]

I thought we already had it and big pharma was suppressing it?

Oh hey ChinStalker . . . Big Pharma is being fronted by the consumate TechnoCrat Dr. No aka Dr. Anthony Fauci

Who is going to Dr. No this process so Big CCP Pharma can save the day.   I foresee Big CCP Pharma spanning the globe with their vaccine while TechnoCrat Dr. No aka Tony Fauci wrings his hands about safety and calls for more double blind studies.

What's the purported link b/w Fauci and the pharmaceutical industry?

It's very hard to say.   We know that Fauci essentially funded the COG research in Wuhon to circumvent any further moratoriums on such research in the United States.    Why he isn't asked about that, I'll never know. 

Is it favoritism towards his guy Bill Gates?    Is he interested in a face saving gesture for the Chinese?   

My ScienceBro was talking a bit about how gubment scientists can profit from patents developed in their labs, but he had to go, and I couldn't get very far into that with him.   (As an aside he's dealing with a situation of theft by a senior researcher of an indirect subordinates research right now).

Nothing you said is relevant to a link between Fauci and Big Pharma. Fauci heads the NIAID, part of the collective NIH, which is a FUNDING AGENCY. The NIH gives only a small % of its money to businesses, in the form of SBIR or STTR grants, which respectively stand for Small Business Innovation Research and Small Business Technology Transfer. By definition, Big Pharma is excluded from receiving these awards (bc they are not "small businesses"). There are no monetary ties between Fauci/NIAID and Big Pharma, nor does Fauci have the authority to initiate or organize a national response within the private sector. As one of the nation's top virologists and epidemiologists, he is merely acting in an advisory role to educate the public and help inform and guide the government response.

Pfft, Fauci has ties to Big Pharma via proxies, to think that he doesn't is idiotic.   He is directly tied to Gates and Gates has huge ties to Big Pharma.    Fauci is directly tied to other non-profits who themselves have ties to Big Pharma. 

With all of that said, then why is Fauci presenting himself as a Dr. No relative to vaccines?

You can play all sorts of "six degrees of kevin bacon." I think you are confusing "ties" with "conflicts of interest". It doesn't mean any of the things that you are insinuating unless there is a mechanism in place for Fauci to enrich himself, and he takes advantage of that. The only thing I'm seeing is Fauci urging a realistic outlook when it comes to development of a therapeutic.

Apparently you missed his commentary today.   Until he answers as to why he funded GOF research in Wuhan than I am open to discussing any and all potential conflicts of interest vis-a-vis Anthony Fauci and the granularity of some of these ties is more than ample for a climate of conflict.

I don't know what GOF stands for, but I'm about to let you in on why that research was funded. It's so scandalous that you're gonna crap a brick...

1. The grant proposal received a good impact score from the review panel (made up entirely of American scientists)
2. Coronavirus research is an area where NIAID likes to spread some dollars
3. The NIH, as it stands right now, not only allows but promotes international collaboration and will fund those collaborative projects as long as the principal investigator in charge of the project is working at an American institution.

(audible gasps)

It's Gain of Function . . . and my gawd, you are always at least 3 laps down.

I don't need a bullet point by bullet point off the NIH brochure.

[sonofdaxjones]

https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741

A decade ago, during a controversy over gain-of-function research on bird-flu viruses, Dr. Fauci played an important role in promoting the work. He argued that the research was worth the risk it entailed because it enables scientists to make preparations, such as investigating possible anti-viral medications, that could be useful if and when a pandemic occurred.

According to Richard Ebright, an infectious disease expert at Rutgers University, the project description refers to experiments that would enhance the ability of bat coronavirus to infect human cells and laboratory animals using techniques of genetic engineering. In the wake of the pandemic, that is a noteworthy detail.

Ebright, along with many other scientists, has been a vocal opponent of gain-of-function research because of the risk it presents of creating a pandemic through accidental release from a lab.

How many of Fauci's cronies were on the review board?   Were these same scientists hiding their meetings to discuss getting around the moratorium on GOF research?

[treysolid]

https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741

A decade ago, during a controversy over gain-of-function research on bird-flu viruses, Dr. Fauci played an important role in promoting the work. He argued that the research was worth the risk it entailed because it enables scientists to make preparations, such as investigating possible anti-viral medications, that could be useful if and when a pandemic occurred.

According to Richard Ebright, an infectious disease expert at Rutgers University, the project description refers to experiments that would enhance the ability of bat coronavirus to infect human cells and laboratory animals using techniques of genetic engineering. In the wake of the pandemic, that is a noteworthy detail.

Ebright, along with many other scientists, has been a vocal opponent of gain-of-function research because of the risk it presents of creating a pandemic through accidental release from a lab.

How many of Fauci's cronies were on the review board?   Were these same scientists hiding their meetings to discuss getting around the moratorium on GOF research?

The moratorium was instituted after the project was funded

[treysolid]

https://projectreporter.nih.gov/project_info_description.cfm?aid=8674931&icde=49976988

[sonofdaxjones]

https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741

A decade ago, during a controversy over gain-of-function research on bird-flu viruses, Dr. Fauci played an important role in promoting the work. He argued that the research was worth the risk it entailed because it enables scientists to make preparations, such as investigating possible anti-viral medications, that could be useful if and when a pandemic occurred.

According to Richard Ebright, an infectious disease expert at Rutgers University, the project description refers to experiments that would enhance the ability of bat coronavirus to infect human cells and laboratory animals using techniques of genetic engineering. In the wake of the pandemic, that is a noteworthy detail.

Ebright, along with many other scientists, has been a vocal opponent of gain-of-function research because of the risk it presents of creating a pandemic through accidental release from a lab.

How many of Fauci's cronies were on the review board?   Were these same scientists hiding their meetings to discuss getting around the moratorium on GOF research?

The moratorium was instituted after the project was funded

I don't read it that way.  The financial commitment to the 2nd phase of the project came in 2019, that was the GOF portion.

[treysolid]

https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741

A decade ago, during a controversy over gain-of-function research on bird-flu viruses, Dr. Fauci played an important role in promoting the work. He argued that the research was worth the risk it entailed because it enables scientists to make preparations, such as investigating possible anti-viral medications, that could be useful if and when a pandemic occurred.

According to Richard Ebright, an infectious disease expert at Rutgers University, the project description refers to experiments that would enhance the ability of bat coronavirus to infect human cells and laboratory animals using techniques of genetic engineering. In the wake of the pandemic, that is a noteworthy detail.

Ebright, along with many other scientists, has been a vocal opponent of gain-of-function research because of the risk it presents of creating a pandemic through accidental release from a lab.

How many of Fauci's cronies were on the review board?   Were these same scientists hiding their meetings to discuss getting around the moratorium on GOF research?

The moratorium was instituted after the project was funded

I don't read it that way.  The financial commitment to the 2nd phase of the project came in 2019, that was the GOF portion.

yeah... after the moratorium was lifted

https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/nih-lifts-funding-pause-gain-function-research

[DaBigTrain]

[sonofdaxjones]

https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741

A decade ago, during a controversy over gain-of-function research on bird-flu viruses, Dr. Fauci played an important role in promoting the work. He argued that the research was worth the risk it entailed because it enables scientists to make preparations, such as investigating possible anti-viral medications, that could be useful if and when a pandemic occurred.

According to Richard Ebright, an infectious disease expert at Rutgers University, the project description refers to experiments that would enhance the ability of bat coronavirus to infect human cells and laboratory animals using techniques of genetic engineering. In the wake of the pandemic, that is a noteworthy detail.

Ebright, along with many other scientists, has been a vocal opponent of gain-of-function research because of the risk it presents of creating a pandemic through accidental release from a lab.

How many of Fauci's cronies were on the review board?   Were these same scientists hiding their meetings to discuss getting around the moratorium on GOF research?

The moratorium was instituted after the project was funded

I don't read it that way.  The financial commitment to the 2nd phase of the project came in 2019, that was the GOF portion.

yeah... after the moratorium was lifted

https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/nih-lifts-funding-pause-gain-function-research

The moratorium was instituted after the project was funded

yeah... after the moratorium was lifted

The moratorium was officially from 2014 to 2017, I never claimed anything was funded during the moratorium (they were meeting secretly trying to figure out way to circumvent the moratorium, which drew criticism)

On Dec 19, 2017, the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) announced that they would resume funding gain-of-function experiments involving influenza, Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus, and severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(18)30006-9/fulltext


Da Big Psycho . . . always tying to chime on crap he's never even heard of and knows nothing about.

  Sad

[sys]

to be clear, this is the Cal State University system

you can't have a football season without fresno st.