CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread

[DQ12]

Because it was already developed as an Ebola drug (and failed). The vast majority of repurposed drugs are going to have limited efficacy against a new disease, as evidenced by the fact that remdesivir stuff doesn't look all that effective either.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/11/inside-the-nihs-controversial-decision-to-stop-its-big-remdesivir-study/

I don't mean to suggest that I'm stumping for Remdesivir in particular.  All I'm saying is that I think we all agree that the ultimate solution to this is going to require a pharmaceutical response, unless people like you and Michigan are suggesting that test/trace/isolate is going to eventually completely eradicate (as distinct from minimize) the virus.  Which, maybe you are and maybe it can, but if so I've misunderstood you guys.

[treysolid]

Because it was already developed as an Ebola drug (and failed). The vast majority of repurposed drugs are going to have limited efficacy against a new disease, as evidenced by the fact that remdesivir stuff doesn't look all that effective either.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/11/inside-the-nihs-controversial-decision-to-stop-its-big-remdesivir-study/

I don't mean to suggest that I'm stumping for Remdesivir in particular.  All I'm saying is that I think we all agree that the ultimate solution to this is going to require a pharmaceutical response, unless people like you and Michigan are suggesting that test/trace/isolate is going to eventually completely eradicate (as distinct from minimize) the virus.  Which, maybe you are and maybe it can, but if so I've misunderstood you guys.

Aggressive contact tracing and isolation of infected individuals buys us the time we need to develop vaccines and/or cures.

[sonofdaxjones]

I thought we already had it and big pharma was suppressing it?

Oh hey ChinStalker . . . Big Pharma is being fronted by the consumate TechnoCrat Dr. No aka Dr. Anthony Fauci

Who is going to Dr. No this process so Big CCP Pharma can save the day.   I foresee Big CCP Pharma spanning the globe with their vaccine while TechnoCrat Dr. No aka Tony Fauci wrings his hands about safety and calls for more double blind studies.

[Trim]

There should be different goals with different timelines all happening simultaneously to address the different short-term and long-term problems. Executing those solutions at once won’t come at the expense of each other.

[DQ12]

Because it was already developed as an Ebola drug (and failed). The vast majority of repurposed drugs are going to have limited efficacy against a new disease, as evidenced by the fact that remdesivir stuff doesn't look all that effective either.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/11/inside-the-nihs-controversial-decision-to-stop-its-big-remdesivir-study/

I don't mean to suggest that I'm stumping for Remdesivir in particular.  All I'm saying is that I think we all agree that the ultimate solution to this is going to require a pharmaceutical response, unless people like you and Michigan are suggesting that test/trace/isolate is going to eventually completely eradicate (as distinct from minimize) the virus.  Which, maybe you are and maybe it can, but if so I've misunderstood you guys.

Aggressive contact tracing and isolation of infected individuals buys us the time we need to develop vaccines and/or cures.

Right.

I don't disagree that they should be exploring contact tracing.  All I'm saying is that pharmaceutical solutions shouldn't be discounted.  We're not really disagreeing here.

[treysolid]

I thought we already had it and big pharma was suppressing it?

Oh hey ChinStalker . . . Big Pharma is being fronted by the consumate TechnoCrat Dr. No aka Dr. Anthony Fauci

Who is going to Dr. No this process so Big CCP Pharma can save the day.   I foresee Big CCP Pharma spanning the globe with their vaccine while TechnoCrat Dr. No aka Tony Fauci wrings his hands about safety and calls for more double blind studies.

What's the purported link b/w Fauci and the pharmaceutical industry?

[CHONGS]

I thought we already had it and big pharma was suppressing it?

Oh hey ChinStalker . . . Big Pharma is being fronted by the consumate TechnoCrat Dr. No aka Dr. Anthony Fauci

Who is going to Dr. No this process so Big CCP Pharma can save the day.   I foresee Big CCP Pharma spanning the globe with their vaccine while TechnoCrat Dr. No aka Tony Fauci wrings his hands about safety and calls for more double blind studies.

That is certainly something to consider.

[treysolid]

Because it was already developed as an Ebola drug (and failed). The vast majority of repurposed drugs are going to have limited efficacy against a new disease, as evidenced by the fact that remdesivir stuff doesn't look all that effective either.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/11/inside-the-nihs-controversial-decision-to-stop-its-big-remdesivir-study/

I don't mean to suggest that I'm stumping for Remdesivir in particular.  All I'm saying is that I think we all agree that the ultimate solution to this is going to require a pharmaceutical response, unless people like you and Michigan are suggesting that test/trace/isolate is going to eventually completely eradicate (as distinct from minimize) the virus.  Which, maybe you are and maybe it can, but if so I've misunderstood you guys.

Aggressive contact tracing and isolation of infected individuals buys us the time we need to develop vaccines and/or cures.

Right.

I don't disagree that they should be exploring contact tracing.  All I'm saying is that pharmaceutical solutions shouldn't be discounted.  We're not really disagreeing here.

I think we disagree about the timeline and therefore the aggressiveness of each set of measures. If you think a vaccine or a small molecule will be available in the next 3 months, you are sorely mistaken. There's a slim chance that one is available in the next 6 months.

[DQ12]

I think we disagree about the timeline and therefore the aggressiveness of each set of measures. If you think a vaccine or a small molecule will be available in the next 3 months, you are sorely mistaken. There's a slim chance that one is available in the next 6 months.

I don't think that though.   

[michigancat]

Because it was already developed as an Ebola drug (and failed). The vast majority of repurposed drugs are going to have limited efficacy against a new disease, as evidenced by the fact that remdesivir stuff doesn't look all that effective either.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/11/inside-the-nihs-controversial-decision-to-stop-its-big-remdesivir-study/

I don't mean to suggest that I'm stumping for Remdesivir in particular.  All I'm saying is that I think we all agree that the ultimate solution to this is going to require a pharmaceutical response, unless people like you and Michigan are suggesting that test/trace/isolate is going to eventually completely eradicate (as distinct from minimize) the virus.  Which, maybe you are and maybe it can, but if so I've misunderstood you guys.

test/trace/isolate can absolutely eradicate the virus and more importantly, it can start making an impact now even if it doesn't completely stamp it out. The fact that so many senators seem unconcerned and/or unaware of this should be concerning.

and I 100% think we should be throwing tons and tons of resources at a vaccine, Congress should be writing checks to labs like crazy for this. I don't know if interim pharmaceutical treatments deserve special attention from congress.

[sonofdaxjones]

I thought we already had it and big pharma was suppressing it?

Oh hey ChinStalker . . . Big Pharma is being fronted by the consumate TechnoCrat Dr. No aka Dr. Anthony Fauci

Who is going to Dr. No this process so Big CCP Pharma can save the day.   I foresee Big CCP Pharma spanning the globe with their vaccine while TechnoCrat Dr. No aka Tony Fauci wrings his hands about safety and calls for more double blind studies.

What's the purported link b/w Fauci and the pharmaceutical industry?

It's very hard to say.   We know that Fauci essentially funded the COG research in Wuhon to circumvent any further moratoriums on such research in the United States.    Why he isn't asked about that, I'll never know. 

Is it favoritism towards his guy Bill Gates?    Is he interested in a face saving gesture for the Chinese?   

My ScienceBro was talking a bit about how gubment scientists can profit from patents developed in their labs, but he had to go, and I couldn't get very far into that with him.   (As an aside he's dealing with a situation of theft by a senior researcher of an indirect subordinates research right now).

[DQ12]

I don't know if interim pharmaceutical treatments deserve special attention from congress.

Why don't you think interim pharmaceuticals should receive special attention?

[michigancat]

I don't know if interim pharmaceutical treatments deserve special attention from congress.

Why don't you think interim pharmaceuticals should receive special attention?

I didn't say that - I said I don't know. I'd defer to trey who knows way more about that than I do.

[DQ12]

I don't know if interim pharmaceutical treatments deserve special attention from congress.

Why don't you think interim pharmaceuticals should receive special attention?

I didn't say that - I said I don't know. I'd defer to trey who knows way more about that than I do.

[michigancat]

LOL @ roberts rambling and wearing gloves in his house

[treysolid]

I don't know if interim pharmaceutical treatments deserve special attention from congress.

Why don't you think interim pharmaceuticals should receive special attention?

I didn't say that - I said I don't know. I'd defer to trey who knows way more about that than I do.

The quickest small molecule approach is to repurpose an antiviral drug that's already FDA-approved. The chances of success here are pretty low because this is a novel coronavirus and broad-spectrum antivirals are really rare, but they should still be screened nonetheless. This has probably already happened or is happening currently. In the absence of that, you have to start at the beginning of the drug development process.

[treysolid]

I thought we already had it and big pharma was suppressing it?

Oh hey ChinStalker . . . Big Pharma is being fronted by the consumate TechnoCrat Dr. No aka Dr. Anthony Fauci

Who is going to Dr. No this process so Big CCP Pharma can save the day.   I foresee Big CCP Pharma spanning the globe with their vaccine while TechnoCrat Dr. No aka Tony Fauci wrings his hands about safety and calls for more double blind studies.

What's the purported link b/w Fauci and the pharmaceutical industry?

It's very hard to say.   We know that Fauci essentially funded the COG research in Wuhon to circumvent any further moratoriums on such research in the United States.    Why he isn't asked about that, I'll never know. 

Is it favoritism towards his guy Bill Gates?    Is he interested in a face saving gesture for the Chinese?   

My ScienceBro was talking a bit about how gubment scientists can profit from patents developed in their labs, but he had to go, and I couldn't get very far into that with him.   (As an aside he's dealing with a situation of theft by a senior researcher of an indirect subordinates research right now).

Nothing you said is relevant to a link between Fauci and Big Pharma. Fauci heads the NIAID, part of the collective NIH, which is a FUNDING AGENCY. The NIH gives only a small % of its money to businesses, in the form of SBIR or STTR grants, which respectively stand for Small Business Innovation Research and Small Business Technology Transfer. By definition, Big Pharma is excluded from receiving these awards (bc they are not "small businesses"). There are no monetary ties between Fauci/NIAID and Big Pharma, nor does Fauci have the authority to initiate or organize a national response within the private sector. As one of the nation's top virologists and epidemiologists, he is merely acting in an advisory role to educate the public and help inform and guide the government response.

[michigancat]

goddammit

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1260287137716539394

[420seriouscat69]

Complete insanity! JFC! Unemployment in L.A. is about to explode.

[sonofdaxjones]

I thought we already had it and big pharma was suppressing it?

Oh hey ChinStalker . . . Big Pharma is being fronted by the consumate TechnoCrat Dr. No aka Dr. Anthony Fauci

Who is going to Dr. No this process so Big CCP Pharma can save the day.   I foresee Big CCP Pharma spanning the globe with their vaccine while TechnoCrat Dr. No aka Tony Fauci wrings his hands about safety and calls for more double blind studies.

What's the purported link b/w Fauci and the pharmaceutical industry?

It's very hard to say.   We know that Fauci essentially funded the COG research in Wuhon to circumvent any further moratoriums on such research in the United States.    Why he isn't asked about that, I'll never know. 

Is it favoritism towards his guy Bill Gates?    Is he interested in a face saving gesture for the Chinese?   

My ScienceBro was talking a bit about how gubment scientists can profit from patents developed in their labs, but he had to go, and I couldn't get very far into that with him.   (As an aside he's dealing with a situation of theft by a senior researcher of an indirect subordinates research right now).

Nothing you said is relevant to a link between Fauci and Big Pharma. Fauci heads the NIAID, part of the collective NIH, which is a FUNDING AGENCY. The NIH gives only a small % of its money to businesses, in the form of SBIR or STTR grants, which respectively stand for Small Business Innovation Research and Small Business Technology Transfer. By definition, Big Pharma is excluded from receiving these awards (bc they are not "small businesses"). There are no monetary ties between Fauci/NIAID and Big Pharma, nor does Fauci have the authority to initiate or organize a national response within the private sector. As one of the nation's top virologists and epidemiologists, he is merely acting in an advisory role to educate the public and help inform and guide the government response.

Pfft, Fauci has ties to Big Pharma via proxies, to think that he doesn't is idiotic.   He is directly tied to Gates and Gates has huge ties to Big Pharma.    Fauci is directly tied to other non-profits who themselves have ties to Big Pharma. 

With all of that said, then why is Fauci presenting himself as a Dr. No relative to vaccines?   

[Phil Titola]

goddammit

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1260287137716539394

but beaches open Wednesday? 

[sonofdaxjones]

goddammit

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1260287137716539394

The Southern California economy will be decimated IMO.   None Covid-19 related issues will accelerate exponentially.

In addition, they're anticipating a Covid related onslaught at the Southern Border.

The road to a California Banana Republic has just accelerated.

[bucket]

goddammit

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1260287137716539394

but beaches open Wednesday?

Garcetti said this wouldn't prevent LA from continuing to gradually open up.

[michigancat]

goddammit

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1260287137716539394

but beaches open Wednesday? 

kind of a misleading headline


of course the story isn't that encouraging either

Los Angeles County’s stay-at-home orders will “with all certainty” be extended for the next three months, county Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer acknowledged during a Board of Supervisors meeting on Tuesday.

Ferrer said that would only change if there was a “dramatic change to the virus and tools at hand.”

“Our hope is that by using the data, we’d be able to slowly lift restrictions over the next three months,” she said. But without widely available therapeutic testing for the coronavirus or rapid at-home tests that would allow people to test themselves daily, it seems unlikely that restrictions would be completely eased.

[DaBigTrain]

I think this pretty much solidifies the fed is going to have to send out another round of checks.