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so far they're only talking about vaccines and therapeutics, we're mumped.

I only got to listen to a little, but I also heard talk of "private sector biosurveillence" from Burr. Senators won't bring up the old-fashioned contact tracing and isolation because there's no one lobbying for it.

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we are so stupid

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Writing a report is not a game plan.

Having meetings and symposiums is not a game plan.

decision making rubrics, roles and responsibilities, mitigation options, communication plans.  It doesn't say "coronavirus" in it so maybe dummies don't think it applies to this situation?

Many of the models have been proven to be wrong time and time again.

Again, writing white papers and holding conference calls to discuss those white papers is not a game plan.

It's not the least bit surprising that a FearPorn Parrot Boy like you thinks sitting around talking about things and doing a bunch of modeling is a game plan.

It isn't.

It's obvious you didn't read it (it's not a modeling playbook) which is fine but just say so instead of trying to beef out more misinformation.

I didn't say it was a modeling playbook.

There's an entire laundry list of things that really matter that weren't done.

Example:  It took 4 months for the CDC to ship enough Swine Flu test kits to test 1 million people . . . that's directly from the CDC Swine Flu timeline.   Were the FDA barriers to expansion and proliferation of widespread testing to satisfy a pandemic level need broken down?   Debateable at maximum and in reality, no, they really weren't.   That's with another 7 years of that administration to go, BTW.

I could go for days . . .

Comparisons to Ebola, positively laughable.   Ebola-Symptomatic spread only, few (and really no) known cases of Asymptomatic Ebola infectees being contagious outside of a few known post-symptomatic survivors passing the virus via sexual activity.








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Good on pat Roberts for patting Kelly on the back

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Good on pat Roberts for patting Kelly on the back

I'm surprised he was able to squeeze a question in.

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Kaine with the slide that mentioned contact tracing and isolation in Korea! Also that scarf!


but he hasn't actually mentioned it, I bet he's doing it just as a trump gotcha

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contact tracing mention! He can't say it though!

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just a bit more pushback on the framing of asian populaces as compliant and accepting of overbearing government authority.  it is just as easy to frame it as them expecting and demanding a competent public health response from their governments.  oh, and i completely forgot about taiwan when i listed countries earlier.  they've done better than anyone.

https://twitter.com/mcpli/status/1259593716483964930

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1258807154787696643
Is it really that hard to understand the distinction here? I can’t think of a more firmly entrenched American principle then “stay out of my business.” We’re certainly not unified in our belief that everyone has a right to healthcare or wellbeing so it’s really not at all surprising that we’re ok with tens of thousands dying due to fragmented government response so long as we feel free to move around as we please and do whatever we want on our own property. If anything our government is purposely inefficient for this reason.

East Asian communities are not necessarily subservient to powerful centralized government, but they’re most certainly not individualized either. Community standards are a huge deal in a lot of those countries. eff what all you guys think is pretty distinctly American in comparison.

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Good on pat Roberts for patting Kelly on the back

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Kaine with the slide that mentioned contact tracing and isolation in Korea! Also that scarf!


but he hasn't actually mentioned it, I bet he's doing it just as a trump gotcha

Felt like just a bunch of gotchas

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contact tracing mention! He can't say it though!

Murkowski!

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contact tracing mention! He can't say it though!

Murkowski!

Redfield says contact tracing is critical, but will be done state by state. He also says he hopes to have that in place by September. Pretty underwhelming response.

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just a bit more pushback on the framing of asian populaces as compliant and accepting of overbearing government authority.  it is just as easy to frame it as them expecting and demanding a competent public health response from their governments.  oh, and i completely forgot about taiwan when i listed countries earlier.  they've done better than anyone.

https://twitter.com/mcpli/status/1259593716483964930

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1258807154787696643
Is it really that hard to understand the distinction here? I can’t think of a more firmly entrenched American principle then “stay out of my business.”

never has this been more apparent than how we responded to 9-11

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just a bit more pushback on the framing of asian populaces as compliant and accepting of overbearing government authority.  it is just as easy to frame it as them expecting and demanding a competent public health response from their governments.  oh, and i completely forgot about taiwan when i listed countries earlier.  they've done better than anyone.

https://twitter.com/mcpli/status/1259593716483964930

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1258807154787696643
Is it really that hard to understand the distinction here? I can’t think of a more firmly entrenched American principle then “stay out of my business.”

never has this been more apparent than how we responded to 9-11
Pretty sure I already caveated all this with the racism point.

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doug jones!

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doug jones!

so Jones asked specifically about contact tracing and hotel isolation, etc. and Redfield we're working on a plan to get ready for that IN THE FALL

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just a bit more pushback on the framing of asian populaces as compliant and accepting of overbearing government authority.  it is just as easy to frame it as them expecting and demanding a competent public health response from their governments.  oh, and i completely forgot about taiwan when i listed countries earlier.  they've done better than anyone.

https://twitter.com/mcpli/status/1259593716483964930

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1258807154787696643
Is it really that hard to understand the distinction here? I can’t think of a more firmly entrenched American principle then “stay out of my business.”

never has this been more apparent than how we responded to 9-11
Pretty sure I already caveated all this with the racism point.

ok I don't think I know what you're talking about then

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I still have no idea what america's goals are and what the actionable plans and timelines are for each.
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Redfield sucks

(this is unrelated to the hearing)

https://twitter.com/Comparativist/status/1260052226535337986

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I still have no idea what america's goals are and what the and actionable plans and timelines are for each.

redfield (the head of the CDC) mentioned that having a plan for fall is important

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doug jones!

so Jones asked specifically about contact tracing and hotel isolation, etc. and Redfield we're working on a plan to get ready for that IN THE FALL

:sdeek:

but wasn't it said we'd have enough testing and other items ramped up to avoid a fall outbreak?  Fauci answered that specifically from Warren.

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I still have no idea what america's goals are and what the actionable plans and timelines are for each.

Crank out a vaccine ASAP and pray for some herd immunity until then

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I still have no idea what america's goals are and what the and actionable plans and timelines are for each.

redfield (the head of the CDC) mentioned that having a plan for fall is important

Earlier in the hearing he said it was a priority at the beginning of the pandemic but then they got overwhelmed by cases and abandoned it.

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ok I don't think I know what you're talking about then

TL;DR - Matthew Y’s tweet is trolling and wrong

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doug jones!

so Jones asked specifically about contact tracing and hotel isolation, etc. and Redfield we're working on a plan to get ready for that IN THE FALL

:sdeek:

but wasn't it said we'd have enough testing and other items ramped up to avoid a fall outbreak?  Fauci answered that specifically from Warren.

What is enough testing?  Even if we get to a million a day, that means everyone gets a single test at their annual checkup
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