CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread

[steve dave]

I am like the least concerned person about tracking my information, location, etc. Chances that can be successfully used to find me when I get lost in the woods are much higher and more important than any negative thing I can think of.


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[Phil Titola]

There are too many examples of overreach in the past to think this would go well. Absolutely would not opt-in. Considered throwing my phone into the fireplace after seeing the tracking of phones that were on the beach for spring break.

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the biggest risk I see in this idea is falsified alerts.  The data stays on your phone unless you are positive and you push the data up to allow others to be notified.  I don't at all see what overreach people would be worried about here.

[star seed 7]

I am like the least concerned person about tracking my information, location, etc. Chances that can be successfully used to find me when I get lost in the woods are much higher and more important than any negative thing I can think of.


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T's&p's to the sorry bad person that has to monitor me, what a boring ass job.

[Phil Titola]

think of it this way.  You keep a pad of paper and write down everybody's random name (eOx87iEFdj87000xXifk) they were called for that 15 minute increment in which you came into contact with them.  Eight days later that person is confirmed sick so they send all their names for the last 14 days to a central location (e.g. a library) and you go through it and see if you recorded that name.  If you did, you go get checked out.

[XocolateThundarr]

I am like the least concerned person about tracking my information, location, etc. Chances that can be successfully used to find me when I get lost in the woods are much higher and more important than any negative thing I can think of.


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T's&p's to the sorry bad person that has to monitor me, what a boring ass job.

Same.

[star seed 7]

It was Reid who asked about the coerced statement?

    That's your reporter cRusty and Useful Idiot .9!!

This is for you dax, go nuts

https://twitter.com/JSmithpolitics1/status/1249860586545926145

[Spracne]

think of it this way.  You keep a pad of paper and write down everybody's random name they were called for 15 minute increment that you came into contact.  Eight days later that person is confirmed sick so they send all their names for the last 14 days to a central location (e.g. a library) and you go through it and see if you recorded that name.  If you did, you go get checked out.

This is a good metaphor. At most, a "hacker" could find out what random beacons named things such as eOx87iEFdj87000xXifk I crossed paths with.

[sys]

it kinda boggles my mind that people wouldn't consent to having their movements tracked for the purpose of ridding ourselves of this virus.

[Phil Titola]

it kinda boggles my mind that people wouldn't consent to having their movements tracked for the purpose of ridding ourselves of this virus.

Hell Google has my location history now, I'd consent today to have them use it to help contact trace.

[Spracne]

it kinda boggles my mind that people wouldn't consent to having their movements tracked for the purpose of ridding ourselves of this virus.

Hell Google has my location history now, I'd consent today to have them use it to help contact trace.

Exactly. It needs to be "opt-in" because this is a free country, but everyone with a brain should opt in. So, roughly 18% will.

[michigancat]

it kinda boggles my mind that people wouldn't consent to having their movements tracked for the purpose of ridding ourselves of this virus.

Hell Google has my location history now, I'd consent today to have them use it to help contact trace.

Exactly. It needs to be "opt-in" because this is a free country, but everyone with a brain should opt in. So, roughly 18% will.

I'm honestly kinda surprised our resident constitutionalist attorney would so willingly give up privacy with almost a 100% guarantee that it would be abused by the government.

[michigancat]

I'm honestly torn on this. I'd need to read more arguments before I made up my mind.

The first question I have is: how much will this reduce the spread?
The second is: what are the other options?

[sys]

just buy everyone cheap virus phones they can throw away when this is over or some crap.  this is ridiculous.

[Spracne]

it kinda boggles my mind that people wouldn't consent to having their movements tracked for the purpose of ridding ourselves of this virus.

Hell Google has my location history now, I'd consent today to have them use it to help contact trace.

Exactly. It needs to be "opt-in" because this is a free country, but everyone with a brain should opt in. So, roughly 18% will.

I'm honestly kinda surprised our resident constitutionalist attorney would so willingly give up privacy with almost a 100% guarantee that it would be abused by the government.

I haven't seen anything yet to suggest it is likely to be abused by the government. Seems like an optional, private sector tool with strict privacy design. I give up my privacy to private companies every day. The point is that it's my choice. It's not forced on me.

[Phil Titola]

I'm honestly torn on this. I'd need to read more arguments before I made up my mind.

The first question I have is: how much will this reduce the spread?
The second is: what are the other options?

is this related to the google/apple proposal or straight up location sharing?

If #1
How much would it help?  Cell phone penetration is 80% I think I read but this still requires downloading an app and opting in.  That adoption is definitely the big variable.  Then that person has to confirm positive and agree to upload their data.  I haven't seen anything claiming how much it will help.
Privacy? I can't think of a better way to track contacts you've had in a more private manner.  You are taking out the location sharing and the pairing with other persons into a central location

[michigancat]

it kinda boggles my mind that people wouldn't consent to having their movements tracked for the purpose of ridding ourselves of this virus.

Hell Google has my location history now, I'd consent today to have them use it to help contact trace.

Exactly. It needs to be "opt-in" because this is a free country, but everyone with a brain should opt in. So, roughly 18% will.

I'm honestly kinda surprised our resident constitutionalist attorney would so willingly give up privacy with almost a 100% guarantee that it would be abused by the government.

I haven't seen anything yet to suggest it is likely to be abused by the government. Seems like an optional, private sector tool with strict privacy design. I give up my privacy to private companies every day. The point is that it's my choice. It's not forced on me.

I mean, the evidence is the government's history with acquiring data from optional private sector tools. you should read Snowden's book

[Phil Titola]

it kinda boggles my mind that people wouldn't consent to having their movements tracked for the purpose of ridding ourselves of this virus.

Hell Google has my location history now, I'd consent today to have them use it to help contact trace.

Exactly. It needs to be "opt-in" because this is a free country, but everyone with a brain should opt in. So, roughly 18% will.

I'm honestly kinda surprised our resident constitutionalist attorney would so willingly give up privacy with almost a 100% guarantee that it would be abused by the government.

I haven't seen anything yet to suggest it is likely to be abused by the government. Seems like an optional, private sector tool with strict privacy design. I give up my privacy to private companies every day. The point is that it's my choice. It's not forced on me.

I mean, the evidence is the government's history with acquiring data from optional private sector tools. you should read Snowden's book

It's decentralized data.  If the cops want to confirm my story that I wasn't in contact with another person I guess they could force the disclosure of data on both devices and do the match.

This is a new idea so I definitely might be missing some things here so I'm interested.

[Phil Titola]

it kinda boggles my mind that people wouldn't consent to having their movements tracked for the purpose of ridding ourselves of this virus.

Hell Google has my location history now, I'd consent today to have them use it to help contact trace.

Exactly. It needs to be "opt-in" because this is a free country, but everyone with a brain should opt in. So, roughly 18% will.

I'm honestly kinda surprised our resident constitutionalist attorney would so willingly give up privacy with almost a 100% guarantee that it would be abused by the government.

I haven't seen anything yet to suggest it is likely to be abused by the government. Seems like an optional, private sector tool with strict privacy design. I give up my privacy to private companies every day. The point is that it's my choice. It's not forced on me.

What if the government required you to show you were opted in to go to a restaurant?  grocery store?  Doesn't change the mechanics of the privacy design.

[Spracne]

it kinda boggles my mind that people wouldn't consent to having their movements tracked for the purpose of ridding ourselves of this virus.

Hell Google has my location history now, I'd consent today to have them use it to help contact trace.

Exactly. It needs to be "opt-in" because this is a free country, but everyone with a brain should opt in. So, roughly 18% will.

I'm honestly kinda surprised our resident constitutionalist attorney would so willingly give up privacy with almost a 100% guarantee that it would be abused by the government.

I haven't seen anything yet to suggest it is likely to be abused by the government. Seems like an optional, private sector tool with strict privacy design. I give up my privacy to private companies every day. The point is that it's my choice. It's not forced on me.

What if the government required you to show you were opted in to go to a restaurant?  grocery store?  Doesn't change the mechanics of the privacy design.

First, I don't think the government would/could do that. Certainly not for basic sustenance such as a grocery store. Now, if a private restaurant wants to implement such a policy, I think that's their right. China is doing something like this right now, and the difference is that it's mandatory. We should not make this mandatory, but we should all agree to do it anyway.

[420seriouscat69]

The state of Kansas should hire some IT people or something because their site goes down every Monday. What a mess.

Still down. No possible way to apply for unemployment this week. lol. What a joke.

[DQ12]

it kinda boggles my mind that people wouldn't consent to having their movements tracked for the purpose of ridding ourselves of this virus.

Hell Google has my location history now, I'd consent today to have them use it to help contact trace.

Exactly. It needs to be "opt-in" because this is a free country, but everyone with a brain should opt in. So, roughly 18% will.

I'm honestly kinda surprised our resident constitutionalist attorney would so willingly give up privacy with almost a 100% guarantee that it would be abused by the government.

I haven't seen anything yet to suggest it is likely to be abused by the government. Seems like an optional, private sector tool with strict privacy design. I give up my privacy to private companies every day. The point is that it's my choice. It's not forced on me.

What if the government required you to show you were opted in to go to a restaurant?  grocery store?  Doesn't change the mechanics of the privacy design.

First, I don't think the government would/could do that. Certainly not for basic sustenance such as a grocery store. Now, if a private restaurant wants to implement such a policy, I think that's their right. China is doing something like this right now, and the difference is that it's mandatory. We should not make this mandatory, but we should all agree to do it anyway.

This is where I'm at.  I don't like the idea of the government/Apple making this clandestine or mandatory because when we cede that kind of power (even for reasons that warrant it at the time), we don't really ever get it back. 

But I think all decent people ought to opt in, given the circumstances.

[Trim]

But I think all decent people ought to submit to it, given the circumstances.

People doing dirt can't possibly agree to be part of this.

[Phil Titola]

it kinda boggles my mind that people wouldn't consent to having their movements tracked for the purpose of ridding ourselves of this virus.

Hell Google has my location history now, I'd consent today to have them use it to help contact trace.

Exactly. It needs to be "opt-in" because this is a free country, but everyone with a brain should opt in. So, roughly 18% will.

I'm honestly kinda surprised our resident constitutionalist attorney would so willingly give up privacy with almost a 100% guarantee that it would be abused by the government.

I haven't seen anything yet to suggest it is likely to be abused by the government. Seems like an optional, private sector tool with strict privacy design. I give up my privacy to private companies every day. The point is that it's my choice. It's not forced on me.

What if the government required you to show you were opted in to go to a restaurant?  grocery store?  Doesn't change the mechanics of the privacy design.

First, I don't think the government would/could do that. Certainly not for basic sustenance such as a grocery store. Now, if a private restaurant wants to implement such a policy, I think that's their right. China is doing something like this right now, and the difference is that it's mandatory. We should not make this mandatory, but we should all agree to do it anyway.

This is where I'm at.  I don't like the idea of the government/Apple making this clandestine or mandatory.  But I think all decent people ought to submit to it, given the circumstances.

I agree.  With the adoption of staying at home, masks, and a poll I just read that most won't go back to "normal" like going out to eat even if there wasn't a stay at home order, I feel like more would adopt an app like this knowing it could help their own health.

[michigancat]

But I think all decent people ought to submit to it, given the circumstances.

People doing dirt can't possibly agree to be part of this.

or maybe people who don't opt in are not decent?

[DQ12]

But I think all decent people ought to submit to it, given the circumstances.

People doing dirt can't possibly agree to be part of this.

People doing dirt?