CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread

[DQ12]

I'm not really prone to conspiracy theories, but I'm a little suspicious of some of the pushback on hydroxychloroquine. Lots of companies are hoping that they have the magic bullet to help solve this problem, and if hydroxychloroquine, ultimately, is the solution, that hurts their pocketbook.  If that's the magic bullet, a lot fewer people stand to make a lot less money.

https://twitter.com/jamestodaromd/status/1249738521654501379?s=21

Fwiw, Gilead’s drug happens to be very expensive, relatively.

[sys]

Didn't read this before posting but basically says the same thing https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/13/coronavirus-health-agencies-need-army-of-contact-tracers/

that's very encouraging.

[sonofdaxjones]

I'm not really prone to conspiracy theories, but I'm a little suspicious of some of the pushback on hydroxychloroquine. Lots of companies are hoping that they have the magic bullet to help solve this problem, and if hydroxychloroquine, ultimately, is the solution, that hurts their pocketbook.  If that's the magic bullet, a lot fewer people stand to make a lot less money.

https://twitter.com/jamestodaromd/status/1249738521654501379?s=21

Fwiw, Gilead’s drug happens to be very expensive, relatively.

Yep, everyone called Hydroxy a “cure”.  A big thanks to WaPo for level setting on something that was never said on an official level. 

WaPo:  A proud FearPorn contributor

[Phil Titola]

Didn't read this before posting but basically says the same thing https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/13/coronavirus-health-agencies-need-army-of-contact-tracers/

that's very encouraging.

Under normal administrations I'd be encouraged they are prepping this at the federal level and giving states the guidance how to do it at their level. 

Now it kind of feels like a pipe dream we're doing it.

[star seed 7]

Sys, do you think any travel this year is realistic? Particularly European or Caribbean?

[sys]

Sys, do you think any travel this year is realistic? Particularly European or Caribbean?

it seems unlikely to me. like you'd have to have infection levels way down and airlines seeing enough sustained demand to bring on flights and countries deciding they don't need to restrict and/or quarantine incoming travel.

but have to recognize there's an enormous amount of uncertainty.  like that korean epidemiologist that i put a vid up of yesterday said he thought there was a 10% chance the virus goes extinct this summer.  the range of what's possible is huge.

[sonofdaxjones]

The only way to properly track an extremely contagious virus in a country of 370 million is via technology.    The notion of "hands on" virus sleuths is a fools errand.   Particularly a virus that can count asymptomatic infections in the hundreds of thousands.

[Phil Titola]

The only way to properly track an extremely contagious virus in a country of 370 million is via technology.    The notion of "hands on" virus sleuths is a fools errand.   Particularly a virus that can count asymptomatic infections in the hundreds of thousands.

asymptomatic spread problem is independent of how you contact trace.  No doubt technology makes it easier in any respect.

[Phil Titola]

I mean technology will make it faster, cheaper and more accurate considering a lot of the population have cell phones. 

Would be p crazy to see that used in this way imo from a privacy pov.

The google/apple solution definitely takes into account privacy. Works on bluetooth beaconing vs. location tracking.

[DQ12]

I haven't really been following the tech stuff too closely, but this would be something people would need to "opt-in" to, right? 

[Phil Titola]

I haven't really been following the tech stuff too closely, but this would be something people would need to "opt-in" to, right?

yes
https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/13/apple-google-coronavirus-tracing/

[DQ12]

I haven't really been following the tech stuff too closely, but this would be something people would need to "opt-in" to, right?

yes
https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/13/apple-google-coronavirus-tracing/

Awesome. 

[Spracne]

I haven't really been following the tech stuff too closely, but this would be something people would need to "opt-in" to, right?

yes
https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/13/apple-google-coronavirus-tracing/

Awesome.

I would opt in in a heartbeat. The problem is, too many people will be paranoid and not do the same, so I question how effective it would truly be, other than giving me the occasional good excuse to WFH another 14 days...

[DQ12]

I haven't really been following the tech stuff too closely, but this would be something people would need to "opt-in" to, right?

yes
https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/13/apple-google-coronavirus-tracing/

Awesome.

I would opt in in a heartbeat. The problem is, too many people will be paranoid and not do the same, so I question how effective it would truly be, other than giving me the occasional good excuse to WFH another 14 days...

I imagine I would too, but I wouldn't love if it was an opt-out or involuntary sort of thing.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I would not opt in.

[star seed 7]

https://fox4kc.com/tracking-coronavirus/lees-summit-family-medicine-facility-begins-antibody-testing-for-covid-19/

 

[Fedor]

I probably would not opt in either. 

In other news - Kansas has been effective at reducing the rate of growth of new cases but seems to have a really high death rate.  We are at almost 4.5%, what gives?

[mocat]

https://fox4kc.com/tracking-coronavirus/lees-summit-family-medicine-facility-begins-antibody-testing-for-covid-19/

 

f yeah lee's summit

[Spracne]

I haven't really been following the tech stuff too closely, but this would be something people would need to "opt-in" to, right?

yes
https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/13/apple-google-coronavirus-tracing/

Awesome.

I would opt in in a heartbeat. The problem is, too many people will be paranoid and not do the same, so I question how effective it would truly be, other than giving me the occasional good excuse to WFH another 14 days...

Is it paranoid to assume that the data will be used not only to help save lives but in all likelihood in ways you didn't consent to?

Maybe it is, just seems like something that once it's built will be hacked into or used by those who do have access.

Did the read the nuts and bolts of how it works?

[Phil Titola]

I haven't really been following the tech stuff too closely, but this would be something people would need to "opt-in" to, right?

yes
https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/13/apple-google-coronavirus-tracing/

Awesome.

I would opt in in a heartbeat. The problem is, too many people will be paranoid and not do the same, so I question how effective it would truly be, other than giving me the occasional good excuse to WFH another 14 days...

I think more people are freaked out than "but my privacy" right now especially if they educated on how this works.  More impactful of course would be can't go back to work/restaurant/transit unless you show you are opted into the local health department app that is using this platform.

[8manpick]

There are too many examples of overreach in the past to think this would go well. Absolutely would not opt-in. Considered throwing my phone into the fireplace after seeing the tracking of phones that were on the beach for spring break.

-Sent from my iPhone

[Spracne]

I haven't really been following the tech stuff too closely, but this would be something people would need to "opt-in" to, right?

yes
https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/13/apple-google-coronavirus-tracing/

Awesome.

I would opt in in a heartbeat. The problem is, too many people will be paranoid and not do the same, so I question how effective it would truly be, other than giving me the occasional good excuse to WFH another 14 days...

Is it paranoid to assume that the data will be used not only to help save lives but in all likelihood in ways you didn't consent to?

Maybe it is, just seems like something that once it's built will be hacked into or used by those who do have access.

Did the read the nuts and bolts of how it works?

I did, seems like they tried to design it for privacy. I am not technically savvy enough to really understand how easily that could be circumvented, and in the end there's the truism that no system is unhackable (but maybe this is sufficiently difficult enough  so only a few have resources to hack it discretely)

Do you have a smartphone?

[Kat Kid]

There are too many examples of overreach in the past to think this would go well. Absolutely would not opt-in. Considered throwing my phone into the fireplace after seeing the tracking of phones that were on the beach for spring break.

-Sent from my iPhone

same

[LickNeckey]

There are too many examples of overreach in the past to think this would go well. Absolutely would not opt-in. Considered throwing my phone into the fireplace after seeing the tracking of phones that were on the beach for spring break.

-Sent from my iPhone

totes going to throw this iphone in the fire after i submit a couple more blog posts...

[Spracne]

There are too many examples of overreach in the past to think this would go well. Absolutely would not opt-in. Considered throwing my phone into the fireplace after seeing the tracking of phones that were on the beach for spring break.

-Sent from my iPhone

totes going to throw this iphone in the fire after i submit a couple more blog posts...

Dawg, that was the joke.