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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2775 on: March 29, 2020, 03:05:20 PM »
Almost put it in the fun corona thread but if he irl dies I’d feel sort of bad


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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2776 on: March 29, 2020, 03:18:11 PM »
It's how our government is structured to run though. There is no way for our federal government to appease 57 different states and territories. States say they want that then would waste valuable time angling for what they want, gumming up an already despicable bureaucracy, and almost certainly the federal government would end up getting sued.
We're definitely not structured perfectly for this but I think you have to try. How will places like Louisiana compete with New York for ventilators when Cuomo is on CNN every day telling equipment suppliers they'll pay anything for as many as they can produce? What happens when California secures orders for their PPE needs before Kansas gets hit and there's no manufacturing capacity available for Kansas? Already I know there are vastly different levels of PPE available just at different hospitals in the Bay Area. There's just a lot of reasons why this can get very ugly and could be made less ugly if the federal government steps in.

I agree with you, it's just another one of those structural issues this country has that makes dealing with something like this much more complicated than essentially everywhere else in the world. Also another thing that socialized medicine could help with, but I digress. If a president wanted the government to handle all of the distribution, how would they get the product? Would they first take over all the private companies manufacturing all of the ppe and ventilators?

Yeah, socialized medicine would help a ton. Like different hospitals just within the Bay Area have vastly different PPE inventory, which is pretty mumped up.

I don't know exactly how government distribution would work because I'm not intimately familiar with those supply chains. I think you would want all existing manufacturers to continue to manage production but have the government pause all existing contracts/shipments and distribute nationally based on need. Maybe it's as simple as negotiating with distributors to pause existing orders and reallocate. I'm guessing there's some sort of plan for this already, it just hasn't been put into action..

I honestly feel like Amazon could figure out and automate all this in a day or two.
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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2777 on: March 29, 2020, 03:21:52 PM »
Has anyone else encountered the incel talking point that when the media reports new infection and death toll numbers they are "celebrating" and are just out to get Trump and they should stop? 

It is pretty fringe but it's out there.

8 texags threads a day about this, it's a very mainstream conservative belief that libs love what's going on.
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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2778 on: March 29, 2020, 03:26:46 PM »
I only wonder who the first person to post something like that on here will be.

Just kidding we all know who it will probably be.

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2779 on: March 29, 2020, 03:34:28 PM »
I'd trade super bowl LIV and give trump 4 more years if this would go away tonight.

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2780 on: March 29, 2020, 03:41:21 PM »
Has anyone else encountered the incel talking point that when the media reports new infection and death toll numbers they are "celebrating" and are just out to get Trump and they should stop? 

It is pretty fringe but it's out there.

8 texags threads a day about this, it's a very mainstream conservative belief that libs love what's going on.

That's absolutely rough ridin' nuts.  I know some insanely liberal people and they are ALL horrified and praying we whip this thing yesterday.  Reporting the horrible numbers is not at all cheering for them.  That is simply idiotic

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2781 on: March 29, 2020, 03:41:58 PM »
I'd trade super bowl LIV and give trump 4 more years if this would go away tonight.

I'd give him 6 more

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2782 on: March 29, 2020, 03:44:17 PM »
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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2784 on: March 29, 2020, 03:47:18 PM »
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Smacks of negligence. However, I believe I read that returning to campus was voluntary? Maybe they could get around it that way.
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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2785 on: March 29, 2020, 04:14:31 PM »
It's how our government is structured to run though. There is no way for our federal government to appease 57 different states and territories. States say they want that then would waste valuable time angling for what they want, gumming up an already despicable bureaucracy, and almost certainly the federal government would end up getting sued.
We're definitely not structured perfectly for this but I think you have to try. How will places like Louisiana compete with New York for ventilators when Cuomo is on CNN every day telling equipment suppliers they'll pay anything for as many as they can produce? What happens when California secures orders for their PPE needs before Kansas gets hit and there's no manufacturing capacity available for Kansas? Already I know there are vastly different levels of PPE available just at different hospitals in the Bay Area. There's just a lot of reasons why this can get very ugly and could be made less ugly if the federal government steps in.

I agree with you, it's just another one of those structural issues this country has that makes dealing with something like this much more complicated than essentially everywhere else in the world. Also another thing that socialized medicine could help with, but I digress. If a president wanted the government to handle all of the distribution, how would they get the product? Would they first take over all the private companies manufacturing all of the ppe and ventilators?

Yeah, socialized medicine would help a ton. Like different hospitals just within the Bay Area have vastly different PPE inventory, which is pretty mumped up.

I don't know exactly how government distribution would work because I'm not intimately familiar with those supply chains. I think you would want all existing manufacturers to continue to manage production but have the government pause all existing contracts/shipments and distribute nationally based on need. Maybe it's as simple as negotiating with distributors to pause existing orders and reallocate. I'm guessing there's some sort of plan for this already, it just hasn't been put into action..

I honestly feel like Amazon could figure out and automate all this in a day or two.

Amazon or even someone smaller llike HEB could pretty easily "figure out and automate" how to get things to the areas of most need, but how do you define the areas of most need? To determine that you need good testing data, solid projections, accurate inventory counts at all hospitals, and honestly probably input from physicians and philosophers on the most humane allocations. that would require government coordination and mandates. And it seems obvious, but you'd also need to remove the profit motive from whomever is automating and you need someone like the president to decide it's important.

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2786 on: March 29, 2020, 04:17:38 PM »
You hate to see it


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Smacks of negligence. However, I believe I read that returning to campus was voluntary? Maybe they could get around it that way.
I thought teachers was mandatory and students was encouraged. Either way, I don’t think there are any magic words, and obviously students are going to feel pressured under the circumstances.

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2787 on: March 29, 2020, 04:18:51 PM »
What parent sends their kid back to college?  Like, who?

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2789 on: March 29, 2020, 04:25:44 PM »
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Smacks of negligence. However, I believe I read that returning to campus was voluntary? Maybe they could get around it that way.
I thought teachers was mandatory and students was encouraged. Either way, I don’t think there are any magic words, and obviously students are going to feel pressured under the circumstances.

I wasn't going to reply to any of this because Jerry Falwell Jr. might legitimately be the last person on the planet I'll defend, but there was no pressure for the students to do anything. The courses are still online. The move was purely symbolic and the few dummies that moved back in probably did so for the same reason that Falwell opened it up. Those students have no one to blame but themselves. Of course the ones that moved back that had no where else to go are excluded from ridicule.

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2790 on: March 29, 2020, 04:27:12 PM »
What parent sends their kid back to college?  Like, who?

Trump supporters. The rest of them and this is probably a majority of them, had no say as to what their child did.

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2791 on: March 29, 2020, 04:30:07 PM »
What parent sends their kid back to college?  Like, who?

Trump supporters. The rest of them and this is probably a majority of them, had no say as to what their child did.

Wait, you are saying these parents can't prevent their kids from moving back to community living during a pandemic?  These college students all of the sudden became self supporting and independently wealthy?  I know they can't physically restrain them but prety easy to say if you move back in a motherfucking dorm you are cut off financially. 

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2792 on: March 29, 2020, 04:35:09 PM »
What parent sends their kid back to college?  Like, who?

Trump supporters. The rest of them and this is probably a majority of them, had no say as to what their child did.

Wait, you are saying these parents can't prevent their kids from moving back to community living during a pandemic?  These college students all of the sudden became self supporting and independently wealthy?  I know they can't physically restrain them but prety easy to say if you move back in a motherfucking dorm you are cut off financially.

This may come as a shock to some, but lots of college students are already financially independent. I know me and most of my college friends were. This doesn't even account for the students living off campus, in Lynchburg, that are hanging out all day with their friends, or letting friends in dorms sleep on their couch.

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2793 on: March 29, 2020, 04:40:57 PM »
What parent sends their kid back to college?  Like, who?

Trump supporters. The rest of them and this is probably a majority of them, had no say as to what their child did.

Wait, you are saying these parents can't prevent their kids from moving back to community living during a pandemic?  These college students all of the sudden became self supporting and independently wealthy?  I know they can't physically restrain them but prety easy to say if you move back in a motherfucking dorm you are cut off financially.

This may come as a shock to some, but lots of college students are already financially independent. I know me and most of my college friends were. This doesn't even account for the students living off campus, in Lynchburg, that are hanging out all day with their friends, or letting friends in dorms sleep on their couch.

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2794 on: March 29, 2020, 04:50:10 PM »
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Smacks of negligence. However, I believe I read that returning to campus was voluntary? Maybe they could get around it that way.
I thought teachers was mandatory and students was encouraged. Either way, I don’t think there are any magic words, and obviously students are going to feel pressured under the circumstances.

I wasn't going to reply to any of this because Jerry Falwell Jr. might legitimately be the last person on the planet I'll defend, but there was no pressure for the students to do anything. The courses are still online. The move was purely symbolic and the few dummies that moved back in probably did so for the same reason that Falwell opened it up. Those students have no one to blame but themselves. Of course the ones that moved back that had no where else to go are excluded from ridicule.
This may surprise you, but teachers and administrators frequently convey messages to their students that are quite different than the stated policy of the university. Unless you are aware of first hand accounts from any of these folks I think it’s a bit crazy to assume they didn’t feel any pressure to return to class.

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2795 on: March 29, 2020, 04:55:34 PM »
What % of college students take absolutely zero financial support from anyone?  Well under 50 I would guess.

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2796 on: March 29, 2020, 05:15:22 PM »
You hate to see it


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Smacks of negligence. However, I believe I read that returning to campus was voluntary? Maybe they could get around it that way.
I thought teachers was mandatory and students was encouraged. Either way, I don’t think there are any magic words, and obviously students are going to feel pressured under the circumstances.

I wasn't going to reply to any of this because Jerry Falwell Jr. might legitimately be the last person on the planet I'll defend, but there was no pressure for the students to do anything. The courses are still online. The move was purely symbolic and the few dummies that moved back in probably did so for the same reason that Falwell opened it up. Those students have no one to blame but themselves. Of course the ones that moved back that had no where else to go are excluded from ridicule.
This may surprise you, but teachers and administrators frequently convey messages to their students that are quite different than the stated policy of the university. Unless you are aware of first hand accounts from any of these folks I think it’s a bit crazy to assume they didn’t feel any pressure to return to class.

Can you read, there were no classes to come back to. This hasn't been reported by anyone, including this Raw Story article who talked to students on campus.
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/heres-what-it-is-like-at-liberty-university-which-has-refused-to-shut-down-due-to-coronavirus/
It's also worth noting that Liberty are giving students who move out of the dorms a $1000 credit towards housing next year.

Now if we want to talk about what Falwell is doing to his staff, I'll motherfuck him with anyone, but we don't need to contrive things to be outraged over.

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #2797 on: March 29, 2020, 05:17:47 PM »
What % of college students take absolutely zero financial support from anyone?  Well under 50 I would guess.

Probably so, I have no idea but only 10% of the on campus Liberty students returned. It's a safe bet that many of them are students who don't receive support and internationals, of course along with some MAGA Jesus people.

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« Reply #2798 on: March 29, 2020, 05:19:23 PM »
I'd bet most of them are MAGA

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« Reply #2799 on: March 29, 2020, 05:23:30 PM »
A new OAN lady with another batshit question.