Author Topic: Impeachment Inquiry thread (Read 47151 times)

Spracne · « **Reply #450 on:** November 29, 2019, 07:50:01 PM »

Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on November 29, 2019, 06:52:54 PM

Quote from: Spracne on November 27, 2019, 06:34:35 PM
Dems misfired, I'm afraid. Look at the receding support from Independents.

I expect support to increase when he actually gets impeached.

Disagree

DaBigTrain · « **Reply #451 on:** November 29, 2019, 08:51:26 PM »

Coming from a closet Trumper idk if I agree with Spracs

waks · « **Reply #452 on:** November 30, 2019, 04:58:53 AM »

Have his numbers improved? Please share all polls in this thread.

sys · « **Reply #453 on:** November 30, 2019, 02:45:56 PM »

Quote from: waks on November 30, 2019, 04:58:53 AM

Have his numbers improved? Please share all polls in this thread.

support for impeachment went up a bit and also trump's approval numbers ticked up a very tiny bit. macro-level, nothing has changed.

turnbull · « **Reply #454 on:** December 02, 2019, 07:23:33 PM »

Your assessment about not moving the national average for impeachment is correct. The framing of the impeachment being done by a particular news channel is very dishonest and downright a middle finger to everyone. So in essence even if Trump came out and said this exact line "F*ck yea I did it...and I did it to hurt Biden/protect Russia because I owed them for helping me get elected with a mandate to destroy the US from within", you'd have this news channel declaring so what that he did it....not impeachable and he's truly a patriot for defeating Hillary Clinton which could have destroyed the US. This is actually kinda where we are now essentially where we are now with several members of the GOP saying it was inappropriate but not impeachment worthy, though oddly enough Bill Clinton was impeached over a BJ and denying it under oath. We've reached the point where their members will straight up lie to people's faces and get away with it because they dont respect them and know for a fact they'll believe whatever tinfoil hat project Hannity or Carlson present at the night (south african farmers, mueller was connected to the mob, "i'm rooting for russia", Ukraine really hacked the 2016 election (despite all 17 Intel Agencies saying they didnt, and clearly stating that the Ukraine blame is coming directly from Russia), Hillary Clinton murdered Seth Rich, Tan Suit Gate, Dinnergate in NYC for Obama, Obama went Golfing, or a good one "white house job gate in 2010", Obama took 34% of the US Navy on a trip to India, etc. However, there is a really good site that tracks a lot of numbers and polls from various sources. It weights polls based on results, survey methods, and sample sizes.
This good website to monitor polls is https://fivethirtyeight.com/
They also have good projections on other stuff such as sports teams, who will win the elections, projections, presidential approval ratings.

Quote from: sys on November 30, 2019, 02:45:56 PM

Quote from: waks on November 30, 2019, 04:58:53 AM
Have his numbers improved? Please share all polls in this thread.

support for impeachment went up a bit and also trump's approval numbers ticked up a very tiny bit. macro-level, nothing has changed.

steve dave · « **Reply #455 on:** December 02, 2019, 07:23:57 PM »

Holy crap

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gatoveintisiete · « **Reply #456 on:** December 02, 2019, 07:33:27 PM »

I like turnbull, I would love to get his take in about 2-3 months.

turnbull · « **Reply #457 on:** December 02, 2019, 07:38:22 PM »

Here is exactly what is going to happen....He'll get impeached by probably straight partisan line, the Senate trial they'll do an investigation of the Biden's much like they did during the 5-7 investigations into Benghazi. They'll acquit him probably on straight party lines (might have a defector on either side at most two)

gatoveintisiete · « **Reply #458 on:** December 02, 2019, 07:57:06 PM »

I know that, I'm talking about all the conspiracy theories getting dunked on. Barr and 'nems

gatoveintisiete · « **Reply #459 on:** December 02, 2019, 08:01:36 PM »

and yes nate silver and 538 are top shelf like turnbull says

Institutional Control · « **Reply #460 on:** December 02, 2019, 08:55:47 PM »

Quote from: gatoveintisiete on December 02, 2019, 07:33:27 PM

I like turnbull, I would love to get his take in about 2-3 months.

Most likely just another of your socks.

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DaBigTrain · « **Reply #461 on:** December 02, 2019, 08:58:20 PM »

turnbull is taking this very well IMO.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #462 on:** December 03, 2019, 02:22:38 AM »

Quote from: turnbull on December 02, 2019, 07:23:33 PM

Your assessment about not moving the national average for impeachment is correct. The framing of the impeachment being done by a particular news channel is very dishonest and downright a middle finger to everyone. So in essence even if Trump came out and said this exact line "F*ck yea I did it...and I did it to hurt Biden/protect Russia because I owed them for helping me get elected with a mandate to destroy the US from within", you'd have this news channel declaring so what that he did it....not impeachable and he's truly a patriot for defeating Hillary Clinton which could have destroyed the US. This is actually kinda where we are now essentially where we are now with several members of the GOP saying it was inappropriate but not impeachment worthy, though oddly enough Bill Clinton was impeached over a BJ and denying it under oath. We've reached the point where their members will straight up lie to people's faces and get away with it because they dont respect them and know for a fact they'll believe whatever tinfoil hat project Hannity or Carlson present at the night (south african farmers, mueller was connected to the mob, "i'm rooting for russia", Ukraine really hacked the 2016 election (despite all 17 Intel Agencies saying they didnt, and clearly stating that the Ukraine blame is coming directly from Russia), Hillary Clinton murdered Seth Rich, Tan Suit Gate, Dinnergate in NYC for Obama, Obama went Golfing, or a good one "white house job gate in 2010", Obama took 34% of the US Navy on a trip to India, etc. However, there is a really good site that tracks a lot of numbers and polls from various sources. It weights polls based on results, survey methods, and sample sizes.
This good website to monitor polls is https://fivethirtyeight.com/
They also have good projections on other stuff such as sports teams, who will win the elections, projections, presidential approval ratings.

Quote from: sys on November 30, 2019, 02:45:56 PM
Quote from: waks on November 30, 2019, 04:58:53 AM
Have his numbers improved? Please share all polls in this thread.

support for impeachment went up a bit and also trump's approval numbers ticked up a very tiny bit. macro-level, nothing has changed.

Come on man

star seed 7 · « **Reply #463 on:** December 03, 2019, 03:19:30 PM »

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i think he's a maniac. i think adam schiff is a deranged human being. i think he grew up with a complex for lots of reasons that are obvious. i think he's a very sick man, and he lies. adam schiff made up my conversation with the president of ukraine. and one of the reasons people keep talking about it is because that's what they saw. we have a perfectly beautiful 3-4 page transcription, then in the other case a 2 page transcription of the conversation. but a lot of people didn't read that. how many people call you? a friend of mine called up, a top person in new york called up, great friend of mine, very successful: 'gee, i didn't like what was said,' i said, oh where did you see it, did you read it? 'no i didn't read it, i heard adam schiff give it." i said, well that's not what was said. and i sent him a copy of what was said, and he said 'this is like, this is great, this isn't what he said.' this guy is sick! he made up the conversation, he lied. if he didn't do that in the halls of congress, he'd be thrown in a jail. but he did it in the halls of congress, and he's given immunity. this is a sick person; he's a liar. and by the way, nancy pelosi knew he was lying, and she went on her show, stephanapolous, and she said he told the truth, so she was lying too. these people are deranged.

Brock Landers · « **Reply #464 on:** December 03, 2019, 03:27:41 PM »

Very Presidential indeed.

memphis · « **Reply #465 on:** December 03, 2019, 05:13:52 PM »

Quote from: DaBigTrain on December 02, 2019, 08:58:20 PM

turnbull is taking this very well IMO.

Reason: The House GOP Impeachment Report In Brief: Democrats Are Bad, Trump Is Good.
https://reason.com/2019/12/03/the-house-gop-impeachment-report-in-brief-democrats-are-bad-trump-is-good/

chum1 · « **Reply #466 on:** December 04, 2019, 08:47:45 AM »

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There could be disruptions from Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), the Fox News favorite who led a conservative revolt against impeachment in mid-October by storming the secure room where depositions were taking place.

There could be conspiracy theories from Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Tex.), who nearly named the intelligence community whistleblower during a recent speech on the House floor.

And there could be antics from Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.), a vocal Trump critic who brought a bucket of fried chicken to a hearing in May to highlight the absence of Attorney General William P. Barr, who was scheduled to testify.
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“It’s a bunch of brawlers sometimes on the Judiciary Committee, so it should get pretty hot under the collar as we go along,” said Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), a member of the panel, during an interview on Fox News’s “Sunday Morning Futures.”

“I don’t think things have been done the way they’ve been done in the past .?.?. so it causes some rancor and it should be much more feisty, I would say, than the Intel Committee was,” he said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bunch-of-brawlers-judiciary-panels-most-aggressive-members-ready-to-rumble-in-impeachment-probe/2019/12/03/a3750326-15da-11ea-9110-3b34ce1d92b1_story.html

Cire · « **Reply #467 on:** December 04, 2019, 09:14:25 AM »

LOL,

This is behind closed doors or open?

Gaetz is going to be a complete shlt show during this thing.

chum1 · « **Reply #468 on:** December 04, 2019, 09:16:30 AM »

The broadcast just started!

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #469 on:** December 04, 2019, 09:41:27 AM »

Little Jerry Nadler told Dems yesterday he ain't taken any crap, so I'm sure that news has got LibBot Nation all jizzed up.

gatoveintisiete · « **Reply #470 on:** December 04, 2019, 09:48:50 AM »

uh Professor Feldman can we tone it down a notch

Cire · « **Reply #471 on:** December 04, 2019, 12:32:15 PM »

Quote from: sonofdaxjones on December 04, 2019, 09:41:27 AM

Little Jerry Nadler told Dems yesterday he ain't taken any crap, so I'm sure that news has got LibBot Nation all jizzed up.

Hadn't heard this

chum1 · « **Reply #472 on:** December 04, 2019, 12:47:08 PM »

Pretty tame so far.

turnbull · « **Reply #473 on:** December 04, 2019, 01:02:04 PM »

Not a bad showing by the 4 people on the panel. It'll be interesting more because I do believe at this point the cards are on the table either way. However, Guiliani interviewing the Ukrainians again today as reported by the NY Times isn't helpful for anyone.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #474 on:** December 04, 2019, 01:07:50 PM »

Some wonderful opinions being expressed today. It's great that we have a system that allows policy wonks to get up on TV and tell us what their opinions are . . . fantastic.