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Is Democracy At Stake?

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Re: Is Democracy At Stake?
« Reply #75 on: October 18, 2022, 05:58:11 PM »
I’m not even sure which election we are talking about at this point. Figured _33 was talking about mid terms.
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Re: Is Democracy At Stake?
« Reply #76 on: October 18, 2022, 07:53:17 PM »
I’m not even sure which election we are talking about at this point. Figured _33 was talking about mid terms.

The Lake lady in Arizona already said she won’t accept the outcome of the AZ vote if she loses.

We are going to see this for a while.

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Re: Is Democracy At Stake?
« Reply #77 on: October 18, 2022, 07:58:50 PM »
The non incumbent not accepting the result of the election is a new kind of special.
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Re: Is Democracy At Stake?
« Reply #78 on: October 18, 2022, 08:29:31 PM »
I mean to be fair ANY election results or a even a more disastrous 1/6 coup  probably won't impact white men in any meaningful way

I think Trump managing to hold onto power after losing would have affected all of us very meaningfully. Third world dictatorships aren't good for anyone.

would the health, safety, or property of white men be threatened?

I don't know. How are white men doing in Russia?

Don't know. They were definitely poorer than American ones before the war started but they're probably fine. :dunno:

They are all poor enough that it's worth their time and effort to steal large appliances from war zones and try to get that crap back home.

This.  Life in russia for all but a few is an absolute horrorshow

But when has it not been?

If you are asking for an example of when a free country decided to stop being one, those are sort of hard to find. I guess you could point to Iran. I don't think things are better for men in Iran today than they were in the 60s, but at least they don't live the nightmare that women do. I wouldn't exactly say they were free in the 60s either, though.
I'm not asking for any of that. I'm saying white men in America will not be impacted by election results at any time, even if an election is wrongfully overthrown. you brought up white Russian men for some reason

You only have to overthrow one election for elections to no longer matter. What country has a dictatorship that white men are doing well in?
This is a really weird discussion.

There are tons of examples of white people doing great in other country’s dictatorships, they usually do quite well, but “white” is a pretty weird term to apply globally as it has a very specific meaning in the US and some different meanings in other countries. Like did white settlers do well in apartheid South Africa is pretty different from did white Catholics do well in Northern Ireland or if Romani do well now.

It is also a little rich acting like American democracy goes back to 1776 or that it is some unbroken chain of free and fair elections since our current constitution. Do people even know what the electoral college is?

When Dax gets all butt hurt about election fraud Like Truman or even JFK he never even bothers to mention that huge numbers of black people couldn’t vote in those elections. This isn’t just ancient history. And I know it is 22 years on, but Bush v Gore is right there. It isn’t that hard to find an election that had some, uh, question marks.

What all the people claiming Trump would’ve thrown them in jail or “turned this nation fascist” don’t want to reckon with is we have already done that crap around here before. It wasn’t trump, it was always here. It was here the whole time and a farce like Trump didn’t create it and he was always going to be too dumb and too lazy to really wield the type of power they fear. The type of power that has been wielded for years in this country against all kinds of people, and only occasionally do the people that are outraged at Trump dropping the mask have to be confronted with it, but never really face the consequences of it.

The worst part is the fantasy about Trump and the coup being the worst thing in American history or some grave existential threat is that it is mostly just embarrassment about being wrong about what America was. Obama made them feel good and feel proud and then this rough ridin' grotesquerie started speaking for them and it made them feel bad. Between that and the creeping existential horror about the environment and capitalism people just shoved all that on the bad guy (who was genuinely bad!) instead of reckoning with the bigger issues. It is why the same crew held out such great hopes for the FBI and Mueller and Comey and RBG and Pelosi and whoever else was supposed to “hold him accountable” and “fix it” and none of them could.

So _33 is right in the sense that he doesn’t have anything to worry about and Michigancat is probably effectively making that point that even if Trump would’ve done it, it would’ve mostly been a farce and there wouldn’t be camps the next day. Because as some people here are finding out, perhaps for the first time, our institutions are complete figments of our imagination and most of the rah rah American exceptionalism crap that KSU used to serve up was always bullshit.

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Re: Is Democracy At Stake?
« Reply #79 on: October 18, 2022, 08:58:41 PM »
I can absolutely imagine things getting worse for white people. Think about the widening divide between the middle and upper classes. And I'm certainly not going to rule it out based on a fallacious inference from a factually inaccurate claim that it hasn't happened before.

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Re: Is Democracy At Stake?
« Reply #80 on: October 18, 2022, 09:04:20 PM »
I don't see it happening (to white males) based on the results of the upcoming election. Does a "widening gap between the middle and upper classes" really make a difference to 33? no

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Re: Is Democracy At Stake?
« Reply #81 on: October 18, 2022, 09:06:37 PM »
I can absolutely imagine things getting worse for white people. Think about the widening divide between the middle and upper classes. And I'm certainly not going to rule it out based on a fallacious inference from a factually inaccurate claim that it hasn't happened before.
Me too but that has very little to do with WHITE and a lot to do with CLASS.

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Re: Is Democracy At Stake?
« Reply #82 on: October 18, 2022, 09:09:03 PM »
LMAO, a coup.

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Re: Is Democracy At Stake?
« Reply #83 on: October 18, 2022, 09:11:36 PM »
I’m not even sure which election we are talking about at this point. Figured _33 was talking about mid terms.

The Lake lady in Arizona already said she won’t accept the outcome of the AZ vote if she loses.

We are going to see this for a while.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/2019/09/26/29195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html

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Re: Is Democracy At Stake?
« Reply #85 on: October 18, 2022, 09:45:37 PM »
Yeah, this fits in to my thesis that Republicans are the baddies, and the Democrats are just moonlighting as concerned citizens.
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Re: Is Democracy At Stake?
« Reply #86 on: October 18, 2022, 09:51:47 PM »
Democracy functions perfectly when everyone agrees with us, and does what we say . . . #blueanon

Anything outside of that paradigm means only one thing . . . democracy (as we define it) is threatened . . . #blueanon


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Re: Is Democracy At Stake?
« Reply #87 on: October 18, 2022, 10:00:33 PM »
Democracy functions perfectly when everyone agrees with us, and does what we say . . . #blueanon

Anything outside of that paradigm means only one thing . . . democracy (as we define it) is threatened . . . #blueanon

Have you considered what has gone wrong in your life to bring you to this eff-Around moment, dax?
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Re: Is Democracy At Stake?
« Reply #88 on: October 18, 2022, 10:02:35 PM »
Politicians saying that the election was stolen are just pandering, they don't actually believe it. 

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Re: Is Democracy At Stake?
« Reply #89 on: October 18, 2022, 10:04:17 PM »
Politicians saying that the election was stolen are just pandering, they don't actually believe it.

Perhaps, but did they cause this comma splice? People are talking ...
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Re: Is Democracy At Stake?
« Reply #90 on: October 18, 2022, 10:08:20 PM »
Democracy functions perfectly when everyone agrees with us, and does what we say . . . #blueanon

Anything outside of that paradigm means only one thing . . . democracy (as we define it) is threatened . . . #blueanon

Have you considered what has gone wrong in your life to bring you to this eff-Around moment, dax?

Have you considered how absurd you and the most of the people in this thread sound (and read)? 

Listening and reading the American political left continually talk about threats to (our) Democracy has become both extremely humorous and absolutely amazing in every respect. 




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Re: Is Democracy At Stake?
« Reply #91 on: October 18, 2022, 10:11:36 PM »
Oh. Cool.  :thumbs:
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Re: Is Democracy At Stake?
« Reply #92 on: October 18, 2022, 10:17:35 PM »
Oh. Cool.  :thumbs:

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Re: Is Democracy At Stake?
« Reply #93 on: October 18, 2022, 11:55:51 PM »
Politicians saying that the election was stolen are just pandering, they don't actually believe it.

Sure, but that makes their actions worse. Not better.

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Re: Is Democracy At Stake?
« Reply #94 on: October 19, 2022, 03:33:11 AM »
I’m not even sure which election we are talking about at this point. Figured _33 was talking about mid terms.

The Lake lady in Arizona already said she won’t accept the outcome of the AZ vote if she loses.

We are going to see this for a while.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/2019/09/26/29195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html

She won the popular vote, you dumb bitch.

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Re: Is Democracy At Stake?
« Reply #95 on: October 19, 2022, 06:25:30 AM »
LMAO, she’s an avowed election outcome denier, just like Stacy Abrams, and just like a host of other Dems

Popular vote . . . LMAO

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Re: Is Democracy At Stake?
« Reply #96 on: October 19, 2022, 10:04:34 AM »
I have no clue what all you guys are talking about, but I saw this today:

https://twitter.com/AndyGrewal/status/1582515066427297792?s=20&t=gR8KPJc_B-_oa8knCccEJg

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« Reply #97 on: October 19, 2022, 10:22:03 AM »
I went back to the beginning of this thread to see if anyone made a "The US is not a democracy hur dur" post and boy I was not disappointed!

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Re: Is Democracy At Stake?
« Reply #98 on: October 19, 2022, 10:26:28 AM »
I just wish I could change my vote on the poll.

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Re: Is Democracy At Stake?
« Reply #99 on: October 19, 2022, 10:28:56 AM »
The best part are the people who have never figured out the the US is a Constitutional Republic.

What's even more fun is watching #blueanon melting down and either 1.  Wanting to change the Constitution 2. Ignore it completely . . .  when they don't get their way or the outcome(s) they want