Fire Chris Klieman

[michigancat]

I think our friend wetwillie might be razzing us a bit too

[wetwillie]

I think my comments were conflated with the original discussion of ISU "passing us" which obviously isn't true. I was offering commentary on why people may think that is the case because our recent success head to head has been lopsided. We became accustomed to beating them every year and that just hasn't happened under Klieman.

[nicname]

I think my comments were conflated with the original discussion of ISU "passing us" which obviously isn't true. I was offering commentary on why people may think that is the case because our recent success head to head has been lopsided. We became accustomed to beating them every year and that just hasn't happened under Klieman.

Not dominating ISU head to head is probably the single most frustrating aspect of the Klieman era thus far for me personally.

[cfbandyman]

I think my comments were conflated with the original discussion of ISU "passing us" which obviously isn't true. I was offering commentary on why people may think that is the case because our recent success head to head has been lopsided. We became accustomed to beating them every year and that just hasn't happened under Klieman.

Not dominating ISU head to head is probably the single most frustrating aspect of the Klieman era thus far for me personally.

TBF we weren't dominating them before just winning a series of very close games. This is almost a law of averages. The last two games have just been super frustrating cause of ineptness tackling last year, and the two TOs this year. Both were super winnable games if we actually played well or didn't do anything stupid. Our defense on Saturday for the most part, especially in the second half, did really well, and Avery did well enough to win.

I suspect we'll come out hard in Ireland.

[Benja]

I don't think the 16-team big 12 will be easier to win than the 10-team Big 12. But you'll see more variance. I haven't compared it to others but we probably had one of the toughest league schedules - we played all 4 that tied for first and 3 of them were on the road.

ISU and CU didn't have to play anyone else in the top 4 at all. TCU didn't have to play any of them either, Tech and BU only had to play 2.

Yeah, I guess. It just seems like we are setup so much better to win in football than basketball. Basketball is gonna be a nightmare going forward. There's gonna be like 6-8 top 25 teams every year. Football is so much more manageable for us and I hope we don't fumble it (no pun intended).

I think the simple fact that there are 16 teams instead of 10 inherently makes conference titles less likely than they used to be. But yeah we're probably closer in football, mainly because there isn't an equivalent of Arizona or KU (or now Houston) in football.

Amazingly, it's ISU, houston and KU. (We are getting passed by ISU in both sports).

What?  are you on drugs?

Do you not know what the term un-hinged means? Guys, this message board used to be fun.

[nicname]

I think my comments were conflated with the original discussion of ISU "passing us" which obviously isn't true. I was offering commentary on why people may think that is the case because our recent success head to head has been lopsided. We became accustomed to beating them every year and that just hasn't happened under Klieman.

Not dominating ISU head to head is probably the single most frustrating aspect of the Klieman era thus far for me personally.

TBF we weren't dominating them before just winning a series of very close games. This is almost a law of averages. The last two games have just been super frustrating cause of ineptness tackling last year, and the two TOs this year. Both were super winnable games if we actually played well or didn't do anything stupid. Our defense on Saturday for the most part, especially in the second half, did really well, and Avery did well enough to win.

I suspect we'll come out hard in Ireland.

We’re 26-9 against them since 1990, including two streaks of 10-straight.

Two of those losses culminated in Snyder retiring, one was under Prince in a god-awful 2007 season, one was the lone wart on the otherwise blissful 1993 season, and four have been under Klieman; all maddening in their own way.

Losing to ISU is the absolute worst*.

*It’s actually probably losing to KU, but we’re fortunate to almost forgotten what that feels like.

[MakeItRain]

I don't think the 16-team big 12 will be easier to win than the 10-team Big 12. But you'll see more variance. I haven't compared it to others but we probably had one of the toughest league schedules - we played all 4 that tied for first and 3 of them were on the road.

ISU and CU didn't have to play anyone else in the top 4 at all. TCU didn't have to play any of them either, Tech and BU only had to play 2.

Yeah, I guess. It just seems like we are setup so much better to win in football than basketball. Basketball is gonna be a nightmare going forward. There's gonna be like 6-8 top 25 teams every year. Football is so much more manageable for us and I hope we don't fumble it (no pun intended).

I think the simple fact that there are 16 teams instead of 10 inherently makes conference titles less likely than they used to be. But yeah we're probably closer in football, mainly because there isn't an equivalent of Arizona or KU (or now Houston) in football.

Amazingly, it's ISU, houston and KU. (We are getting passed by ISU in both sports).

What?  are you on drugs?

Do you not know what the term un-hinged means? Guys, this message board used to be fun.

I mean, it was always a board when gEing worked best when you picked your spots. 'clams has no issue here

[cfbandyman]

I think my comments were conflated with the original discussion of ISU "passing us" which obviously isn't true. I was offering commentary on why people may think that is the case because our recent success head to head has been lopsided. We became accustomed to beating them every year and that just hasn't happened under Klieman.

Not dominating ISU head to head is probably the single most frustrating aspect of the Klieman era thus far for me personally.

TBF we weren't dominating them before just winning a series of very close games. This is almost a law of averages. The last two games have just been super frustrating cause of ineptness tackling last year, and the two TOs this year. Both were super winnable games if we actually played well or didn't do anything stupid. Our defense on Saturday for the most part, especially in the second half, did really well, and Avery did well enough to win.

I suspect we'll come out hard in Ireland.

We’re 26-9 against them since 1990, including two streaks of 10-straight.

Two of those losses culminated in Snyder retiring, one was under Prince in a god-awful 2007 season, one was the lone wart on the otherwise blissful 1993 season, and four have been under Klieman; all maddening in their own way.

Losing to ISU is the absolute worst*.

*It’s actually probably losing to KU, but we’re fortunate to almost forgotten what that feels like.

I think it's the second worst if only cause it's the closest Big 8 school to getting to a winning record vs (not that it really matters that much) and they're so similar while also not. I think this thread is kinda proof of it to a degree. I think both programs see each other as a measuring stick, and for them it's about catching/keeping up, and for us it's about staying ahead of. So a win for us validates we're ahead, and a loss to them means they haven't caught up, and of course when the opposite happens they feel they caught up and we feel the walls closing in. I do think this sort of spell we have had over them is completely broken, and to a degree we play too scared against them. Hopefully we're fueled for next year and not going to drop off. If there is one thing ISU always has though is that game vs Iowa so they always have to be as ready as possible as soon as possible. We don't often.

Losing to ku though, I think is almost unthinkable yet you know it's always there. You felt it in the stadium this year. It'll happen, someday. So we live in blissful ignorance of times like 2008.

[cfbandyman]

Also, I agree with most about it's insane to overreact to 8-4. I am disappointed in it, but it is by no means fireable. Getting upset at 8-4 is how you hire yourself a shittier coach and go down the tubes like Nubbs did.

[nicname]

Also, I agree with most about it's insane to overreact to 8-4. I am disappointed in it, but it is by no means fireable. Getting upset at 8-4 is how you hire yourself a shittier coach and go down the tubes like Nubbs did.

Definitely not fireable. I should have searched harder for ‘clams “Ham and potatoes face” Klieman thread  to put my initial post in.

[Benja]

I don't think the 16-team big 12 will be easier to win than the 10-team Big 12. But you'll see more variance. I haven't compared it to others but we probably had one of the toughest league schedules - we played all 4 that tied for first and 3 of them were on the road.

ISU and CU didn't have to play anyone else in the top 4 at all. TCU didn't have to play any of them either, Tech and BU only had to play 2.

Yeah, I guess. It just seems like we are setup so much better to win in football than basketball. Basketball is gonna be a nightmare going forward. There's gonna be like 6-8 top 25 teams every year. Football is so much more manageable for us and I hope we don't fumble it (no pun intended).

I think the simple fact that there are 16 teams instead of 10 inherently makes conference titles less likely than they used to be. But yeah we're probably closer in football, mainly because there isn't an equivalent of Arizona or KU (or now Houston) in football.

Amazingly, it's ISU, houston and KU. (We are getting passed by ISU in both sports).

What?  are you on drugs?

Do you not know what the term un-hinged means? Guys, this message board used to be fun.

I mean, it was always a board when gEing worked best when you picked your spots. 'clams has no issue here

Fair enough. I'll pick my spots. I feel like that was fair feedback both ways.

[nicname]

I think my disdain for losing to ISU, especially regularly, if that it forces me to actually think about and consider them, which for the vast majority of my life was not the case. I don’t think I’ve ever looked forward to an ISU game in my life; mostly because they’ve been terrible, but also because most of the time we’ve been in danger of losing to them we’ve also been down. Them beating us when we’re both pretty decent, or heaven forbid them getting an upset over us when we’re in the top 10 or something … oof, nightmare.

[Benja]

I mean, they are better than us currently in both major sports. That's not debatable. Obviously a statement like "they are passing us" is silly. However, in any comedic comment there should be some truth. Last time I checked, message boards were the best place to talk crap like that.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

if i'm being completely honest...i think the reason iowa state is a particulary thorny hook in our collective craw is because i don't want to have to even consider the possibility that nationally, we are viewed similarly as iowa state. its easier to maintain that buffer when we beat them all or most of the time. because i know iowa state fans think they are America's Team. Plucky underdogs that everyone is pulling for. They think their fans are passionate and create home field advantage. It does not occur to them that loudly booing ev-er-y single play/call that doesn't go their way is completely small time and losery. Its not charming or endearing, its just annoying. They don't realize that nobody gaf about them. They don't realize that even when they've objectively had more sustained success in the last decade than their in state rivals iowa, iowa is still seen as the National Brand (even though neither of them have been particularly impressive or memorable over that time). the Average Sports Fan is going to know what a hawkeye is before they know what a cyclone is.

So when kids from kansas not only choose to go to iowa state over us, and then when then are very impactful in the games against us, it makes me think huh, maybe we are seen as on par with them. Watching the game saturday, i was getting so annoyed that helfrich (or the other guy not sure which) kept referring to them as our rival. Like kept saying it. Of course all conference opponents are going to be a "rival" in that you play each other regularly. But he kept saying it and i was like sir, we do not agree to them being our rival. they are turds who are - at best - a mild annoyance, and that is being extremely charitable.

but, when we start losing to them more often than not...it makes me scared to look in the mirror. I'm worried that when i see my reflection i might see a very ugly, balding man with a serious case of eczema, wearing a hideous bright red tee shirt tucked in to khaki cargo shorts carrying around some kind of chili and frito corn chip type food stuffs.

I am Dorian Gray

[nicname]

if i'm being completely honest...i think the reason iowa state is a particulary thorny hook in our collective craw is because i don't want to have to even consider the possibility that nationally, we are viewed similarly as iowa state. its easier to maintain that buffer when we beat them all or most of the time. because i know iowa state fans think they are America's Team. Plucky underdogs that everyone is pulling for. They think their fans are passionate and create home field advantage. It does not occur to them that loudly booing ev-er-y single play/call that doesn't go their way is completely small time and losery. Its not charming or endearing, its just annoying. They don't realize that nobody gaf about them. They don't realize that even when they've objectively had more sustained success in the last decade than their in state rivals iowa, iowa is still seen as the National Brand (even though neither of them have been particularly impressive or memorable over that time). the Average Sports Fan is going to know what a hawkeye is before they know what a cyclone is.

So when kids from kansas not only choose to go to iowa state over us, and then when then are very impactful in the games against us, it makes me think huh, maybe we are seen as on par with them. Watching the game saturday, i was getting so annoyed that helfrich (or the other guy not sure which) kept referring to them as our rival. Like kept saying it. Of course all conference opponents are going to be a "rival" in that you play each other regularly. But he kept saying it and i was like sir, we do not agree to them being our rival. they are turds who are - at best - a mild annoyance, and that is being extremely charitable.

but, when we start losing to them more often than not...it makes me scared to look in the mirror. I'm worried that when i see my reflection i might see a very ugly, balding man with a serious case of eczema, wearing a hideous bright red tee shirt tucked in to khaki cargo shorts carrying around some kind of chili and frito corn chip type food stuffs.

I am Dorian Gray

POTD. Bullseye

[Havs]

if i'm being completely honest...i think the reason iowa state is a particulary thorny hook in our collective craw is because i don't want to have to even consider the possibility that nationally, we are viewed similarly as iowa state. its easier to maintain that buffer when we beat them all or most of the time. because i know iowa state fans think they are America's Team. Plucky underdogs that everyone is pulling for. They think their fans are passionate and create home field advantage. It does not occur to them that loudly booing ev-er-y single play/call that doesn't go their way is completely small time and losery. Its not charming or endearing, its just annoying. They don't realize that nobody gaf about them. They don't realize that even when they've objectively had more sustained success in the last decade than their in state rivals iowa, iowa is still seen as the National Brand (even though neither of them have been particularly impressive or memorable over that time). the Average Sports Fan is going to know what a hawkeye is before they know what a cyclone is.

So when kids from kansas not only choose to go to iowa state over us, and then when then are very impactful in the games against us, it makes me think huh, maybe we are seen as on par with them. Watching the game saturday, i was getting so annoyed that helfrich (or the other guy not sure which) kept referring to them as our rival. Like kept saying it. Of course all conference opponents are going to be a "rival" in that you play each other regularly. But he kept saying it and i was like sir, we do not agree to them being our rival. they are turds who are - at best - a mild annoyance, and that is being extremely charitable.

but, when we start losing to them more often than not...it makes me scared to look in the mirror. I'm worried that when i see my reflection i might see a very ugly, balding man with a serious case of eczema, wearing a hideous bright red tee shirt tucked in to khaki cargo shorts carrying around some kind of chili and frito corn chip type food stuffs.

I am Dorian Gray

 

[michigancat]

I simply choose to never think about Iowa State

[nicname]

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[sonofdaxjones]

cRusty's theft of the Don Draperism aside.

Losing to Iowa State is a terrible look for any K-State coach.

The worst part about last Saturday night is that Iowa State is a decent not great team.  They begged us to win game and we refused.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

if i'm being completely honest...i think the reason iowa state is a particulary thorny hook in our collective craw is because i don't want to have to even consider the possibility that nationally, we are viewed similarly as iowa state. its easier to maintain that buffer when we beat them all or most of the time. because i know iowa state fans think they are America's Team. Plucky underdogs that everyone is pulling for. They think their fans are passionate and create home field advantage. It does not occur to them that loudly booing ev-er-y single play/call that doesn't go their way is completely small time and losery. Its not charming or endearing, its just annoying. They don't realize that nobody gaf about them. They don't realize that even when they've objectively had more sustained success in the last decade than their in state rivals iowa, iowa is still seen as the National Brand (even though neither of them have been particularly impressive or memorable over that time). the Average Sports Fan is going to know what a hawkeye is before they know what a cyclone is.

So when kids from kansas not only choose to go to iowa state over us, and then when then are very impactful in the games against us, it makes me think huh, maybe we are seen as on par with them. Watching the game saturday, i was getting so annoyed that helfrich (or the other guy not sure which) kept referring to them as our rival. Like kept saying it. Of course all conference opponents are going to be a "rival" in that you play each other regularly. But he kept saying it and i was like sir, we do not agree to them being our rival. they are turds who are - at best - a mild annoyance, and that is being extremely charitable.

but, when we start losing to them more often than not...it makes me scared to look in the mirror. I'm worried that when i see my reflection i might see a very ugly, balding man with a serious case of eczema, wearing a hideous bright red tee shirt tucked in to khaki cargo shorts carrying around some kind of chili and frito corn chip type food stuffs.

I am Dorian Gray

POTD. Bullseye

 

[BIG APPLE CAT]

cRusty's theft of the Don Draperism aside.

Losing to Iowa State is a terrible look for any K-State coach.

The worst part about last Saturday night is that Iowa State is a decent not great team. They begged us to win game and we refused.

i think this is a pretty accurate description of our last 3 losses.

[Spracne]

I, too, enjoyed that, BAC.

[nicname]

FWIW, Iowa State has been worse than Iowa in every way, shape and form over the past decade.

[michigancat]

The worst part about last Saturday night is that Iowa State is a decent not great team.  They begged us to win game and we refused.

And they are playing to win the Dr. Pepper! That should show everyone we are right there.