Fire Chris Klieman

[wetwillie]

And you would give him a pass for that? If he didn't decrease the number of top in state recruits each season he's been there, he probably wouldn't be getting fired.

I heard a media guy talk about how urban might not be interested because with all the guys getting drafted, UT is going to need a rebuild. They apparently don't have an heir apparent at QB. That seems to be unacceptable at a program like Texas.

If you think Tom Herman failed at Texas due to lack of on field talent I just don’t even know what to say

[MakeItRain]

And you would give him a pass for that? If he didn't decrease the number of top in state recruits each season he's been there, he probably wouldn't be getting fired.

I heard a media guy talk about how urban might not be interested because with all the guys getting drafted, UT is going to need a rebuild. They apparently don't have an heir apparent at QB. That seems to be unacceptable at a program like Texas.

If you think Tom Herman failed at Texas due to lack of on field talent I just don’t even know what to say

I didn't say that. I'm not pretending to be familiar enough with their roster to know one way or another. I know Gus and Joel pointed out he's struggling to land the top in state talent and used a pretty pointed black & white fact to drive it home. I heard another person with seemingly a greater working knowledge of their roster than I do say after this season the job will be a rebuild.

[chum1]

What's everyone's criteria for firing Klieman? Number of wins, seasons?

I'd give him four years to either make the CCG or have a couple of nine win seasons.

[michigancat]

What's everyone's criteria for firing Klieman? Number of wins, seasons?

I'd give him four years to either make the CCG or have a couple of nine win seasons.

He gets an auto extension for every 8 win season, that sounds fine to me. IMO every coach should get 4 years minimum, give him a 1 year extension for last year's 8 win season. Probably needs to be a floor to take away a year but I don't think he'll do worse than 5 wins in a full season.

[wetwillie]

What's everyone's criteria for firing Klieman? Number of wins, seasons?

I'd give him four years to either make the CCG or have a couple of nine win seasons.

He gets an auto extension for every 8 win season, that sounds fine to me. IMO every coach should get 4 years minimum, give him a 1 year extension for last year's 8 win season. Probably needs to be a floor to take away a year but I don't think he'll do worse than 5 wins in a full season.

Agreed he will be in the SLTH range until he retires here.

[chum1]

To clarify, I meant four years starting next year. I'm guessing some would be ready after only one or two more seasons.

[michigancat]

What's everyone's criteria for firing Klieman? Number of wins, seasons?

I'd give him four years to either make the CCG or have a couple of nine win seasons.

He gets an auto extension for every 8 win season, that sounds fine to me. IMO every coach should get 4 years minimum, give him a 1 year extension for last year's 8 win season. Probably needs to be a floor to take away a year but I don't think he'll do worse than 5 wins in a full season.

Agreed he will be in the SLTH range until he retires here.

I think he might be just like oscar and win a chip or two over 10 years. which is fine! (I doubt he has teams as bad as oscar's bad ones though)

[wetwillie]

If he wins a ship here I will be stunned. 

[michigancat]

If he wins a ship here I will be stunned. 

Just about any CFB coach that sticks at one place for 10 years gets one or get super close. If he builds a roster he'll definitely get close.

[WillieWatanabe]

i could see him getting within 1 or 2 games...if that would count as 'close'. maybe i'm being too pessimistic.

He really can't have too many more of these blowouts to non-top 10 teams.  that crap is demoralizing.
 roster retention will be interesting to watch as well.

[michigancat]

I should have clarified - I was talking Big 12 titles, not natty's.

I mean the number of coaches who have been in one place for 10 years is really small.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches

The only P5 coach that has been at one school for 10+ years and hasn't won a conference title is Cutcliffe at Duke. And he lost to a national champion in an ACC title game!

also interesting that there are zero coaches hired in 2012 that are still at that school.

[KITNfury]

I should have clarified - I was talking Big 12 titles, not natty's.

I mean the number of coaches who have been in one place for 10 years is really small.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches

The only P5 coach that has been at one school for 10+ years and hasn't won a conference title is Cutcliffe at Duke. And he lost to a national champion in an ACC title game!

also interesting that there are zero coaches hired in 2012 that are still at that school.

They get compensated well for the scrutiny, but it is a tough gig. If you do well, the fans typically develop a tolerance to the win total and it takes more to satisfy. Once the junk loses potency, they want to move on to a new dealer.

[MakeItRain]

What's everyone's criteria for firing Klieman? Number of wins, seasons?

I'd give him four years to either make the CCG or have a couple of nine win seasons.

He gets an auto extension for every 8 win season, that sounds fine to me. IMO every coach should get 4 years minimum, give him a 1 year extension for last year's 8 win season. Probably needs to be a floor to take away a year but I don't think he'll do worse than 5 wins in a full season.

Agreed he will be in the SLTH range until he retires here.

I think he might be just like oscar and win a chip or two over 10 years. which is fine! (I doubt he has teams as bad as oscar's bad ones though)

I think oscar minus the roster resets and last place finishes is a good comparo.

[Cire]

He’s not winning a title here

Maybe a bowl game


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[michigancat]

What's everyone's criteria for firing Klieman? Number of wins, seasons?

I'd give him four years to either make the CCG or have a couple of nine win seasons.

He gets an auto extension for every 8 win season, that sounds fine to me. IMO every coach should get 4 years minimum, give him a 1 year extension for last year's 8 win season. Probably needs to be a floor to take away a year but I don't think he'll do worse than 5 wins in a full season.

Agreed he will be in the SLTH range until he retires here.

I think he might be just like oscar and win a chip or two over 10 years. which is fine! (I doubt he has teams as bad as oscar's bad ones though)

I think oscar minus the roster resets and last place finishes is a good comparo.

yeah my main concern is roster retention/turnover/culture buy-in. He clearly wants to build w/ HS guys over long term but can't have attrition years like this one. IIRC last year's transfer portal wasn't as bad as this one, hopefully it's just a fluke year.

[Trim]

Fire him when we have our crap together to upgrade.

[wetwillie]

Fire him when we have our crap together to upgrade.

Gonna be a minute

[MakeItRain]

Maybe a bowl game

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You are so dramatic, my god.

[sys]

I should have clarified - I was talking Big 12 titles, not natty's.

I mean the number of coaches who have been in one place for 10 years is really small.

the causation may flow in the other direction.

[michigancat]

I should have clarified - I was talking Big 12 titles, not natty's.

I mean the number of coaches who have been in one place for 10 years is really small.

the causation may flow in the other direction.

I know. But in general I think football coaches get fired too quickly.

[pissclams]

we need to build up our war chest

[star seed 7]

I doubt mean Gene even has a war piggybank

[pissclams]

that's why we need to build it up

[Cire]

Gus malzahn is available


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[MakeItRain]

Say no to retreads.