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Re: Kansas- more liberal abortion laws than New York
« Reply #375 on: August 05, 2022, 05:52:38 PM »
If you won't tax an organization that will illegally spam text people outright lies about an abortion bill on the ballot then you won't tax anyone. 

My company does lots of good stuff and when it does, there is a charitable exemption from tax for those funds.  The catholic archdiocese in KC occupies one of the most ornate buildings in the midwest.  That money could have gone to orphans instead of spam text misinformation schemes
You know, the Catholic Church in KC does do a lot of great things for the poor.  Food pantries, shelters, clothes, support systems...all sorts of things right here in kc.  I doubt there's many bigger charitable bodies in the KC metro than the Catholic Church.

Catholics (and the Church) view the legality of abortion as a terrible thing, and I don't think there's anything at all inconsistent about allocating resources to fight against that in the only way they can*.  You can do multiple things at once.

*to the extent the Church orchestrated or was had any real role in the text thing, that's bad and worthy of criticism.

I don't think paying taxes would prevent them from doing any of that.

yes, loving this talking point that if the church had to pay taxes they would be flat broke and have no funds available to help the community
Nobody made that point or came close to making that point.

stone (and several others): the church should be taxed
dlew using the quote function referencing on the afore mentioned post: <points out all the good things the church does for the community.>

if your response to the suggestion of the church being taxed is to remind everyone of all the good things the church does for the community, then yes, dlew12, you are quite clearly making that sort of implication. That by having to pay taxes it will have some meaninful impact on their ability to provide services and outreach to the community. And yes, i realize you did not technically say those very words but this isn't an FBI sting where we have to wait for you to say the exact imcriminating words before we break through the door. I have a functioning human brain that has the capacity to infer meaning.

I realize you might be feeling a bit defensive right now as several posters ITT (as well as the super majority population of the state of KS) have rebuked your viewpoint on this matter, but let's dispatch with the semantics, shall we?
I’m not being defensive.  You misunderstood my point and then doubled down on it.

Stone said the Catholic Church should help the poor/orphans instead of buying real estate and ornate buildings and supporting certain political efforts.  I said you know what? The Catholic Church does do a lot to help the poor.  And that entities can allocate money towards multiple worthy causes (in their view) at the same time.  That’s it.

It’s a fairly common talking point (especially right now) that “why doesn’t the Church help people instead of meddling in politics?”  All I was pointing out is that the church does a rough ridin' ton to help poor people.  I think that’s something worth keeping in mind amid all the criticism.  I think that gets lost sometimes.

W/R/T taxes, Idk how many times I’ve said it ITT, but if we want to tax non profits (or some neutral segment of nonprofits) that’s fine with me but I feel like that maybe is going to have some unintended consequences.

To your point (that I didn’t make and wouldn’t make): Would a tax impact things and be detrimental to the charitable effort?  Obviously.  Would it bankrupt the Church?  Obviously not.  Would it bankrupt some other churches?  Maybe?

Somewhat tangential, but I'd be curious to know the actual legal structure of the Catholic Church, both domestically and internationally. How does it all tie together? For that matter, how do tax-exempt mega church leaders get so wealthy? Inflated administrative expenses (incl. salaries) to get to revenue neutral, and then just book deals and other products that flow through separate, taxable entities? So the exempt org is the marketing arm, and the profit arm is separate, though indistinguishable to a layperson? I've never really thought about this.

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Re: Kansas- more liberal abortion laws than New York
« Reply #376 on: August 05, 2022, 06:08:28 PM »
I assume parishes are their own distinct entities.  I doubt there’s any specific parent/sub-esque legal tie to the archdiocese, but maybe.


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Re: Kansas- more liberal abortion laws than New York
« Reply #377 on: August 05, 2022, 06:16:02 PM »


Justwin—

I assume you are not a doctor, so why do you trust your GP more than the government? How do you know they are giving you sound advice? Do you look at their qualifications?

I am not an MD, but I do have a PhD. I also have a degree in biology and went to two years of medical school. I simply don't trust the government. There aren't too many people I trust less than the government.

I assume you have only attended and worked for private institutions?

Nope. Not sure why you would assume that.

Because you hate the government so much!

So why would I not signal to employers at a lower cost?

I don't think I said I hate the government. I don't trust it. I don't think government should do a lot of what it does.

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Re: Kansas- more liberal abortion laws than New York
« Reply #378 on: August 05, 2022, 06:19:04 PM »
I assume parishes are their own distinct entities.  I doubt there’s any specific parent/sub-esque legal tie to the archdiocese, but maybe.

So the archdiocese is just a "vendor" paid for "services," and on and on up the chain?

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Re: Kansas- more liberal abortion laws than New York
« Reply #379 on: August 05, 2022, 06:43:13 PM »
Honest question? Has Spracs ever broke a case as a “lawyer” or is this another one of those “not that type of lawyer” cases on this blog?

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Re: Kansas- more liberal abortion laws than New York
« Reply #380 on: August 05, 2022, 06:50:08 PM »
Honest question? Has Spracs ever broke a case as a “lawyer” or is this another one of those “not that type of lawyer” cases on this blog?



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Re: Kansas- more liberal abortion laws than New York
« Reply #381 on: August 05, 2022, 08:59:46 PM »
Honest question? Has Spracs ever broke a case as a “lawyer” or is this another one of those “not that type of lawyer” cases on this blog?

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Re: Kansas- more liberal abortion laws than New York
« Reply #382 on: August 05, 2022, 09:05:27 PM »
Honest question? Has Spracs ever broke a case as a “lawyer” or is this another one of those “not that type of lawyer” cases on this blog?

I'm just intellectually curious about this, Wackster. I'm not trying to "break a case" here, whatever that means. I thought you were going to keep your crap together this time?

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Re: Kansas- more liberal abortion laws than New York
« Reply #383 on: August 05, 2022, 09:28:15 PM »
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Re: Kansas- more liberal abortion laws than New York
« Reply #384 on: August 05, 2022, 09:29:38 PM »
Honest question? Has Spracs ever broke a case as a “lawyer” or is this another one of those “not that type of lawyer” cases on this blog?

I'm just intellectually curious about this, Wackster. I'm not trying to "break a case" here, whatever that means. I thought you were going to keep your crap together this time?
I just want to know how your brain tangles day to day on a rebel board. Like why are you here and stuff. Either way, go cats!

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Re: Kansas- more liberal abortion laws than New York
« Reply #385 on: August 05, 2022, 10:53:24 PM »
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Re: Kansas- more liberal abortion laws than New York
« Reply #386 on: August 06, 2022, 09:05:32 AM »
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Re: Kansas- more liberal abortion laws than New York
« Reply #388 on: August 06, 2022, 09:23:13 PM »
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Re: Kansas- more liberal abortion laws than New York
« Reply #389 on: August 08, 2022, 04:04:12 PM »
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seems like these reasonable abortion laws keep ending up with women getting threatened with jail time.

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Re: Kansas- more liberal abortion laws than New York
« Reply #390 on: August 08, 2022, 04:55:33 PM »
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Re: Kansas- more liberal abortion laws than New York
« Reply #391 on: August 08, 2022, 06:18:41 PM »
Can’t imagine living in Nebraska willingly

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Re: Kansas- more liberal abortion laws than New York
« Reply #392 on: August 08, 2022, 06:22:15 PM »
Can’t imagine living in Nebraska willingly
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« Reply #393 on: August 08, 2022, 07:43:31 PM »
Can’t imagine living in Nebraska willingly
Yes, the child should have moved to another state. Simple!

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Re: Kansas- more liberal abortion laws than New York
« Reply #394 on: August 08, 2022, 08:01:14 PM »
Can’t imagine living in Nebraska willingly
Yes, the child should have moved to another state. Simple!

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