Kansas- more liberal abortion laws than New York

[Dugout DickStone]

The nice thing about the law being the way that it is is that the doctor can tell the patient exactly what the risk factors are and then the patient can decide for herself if she wants to accept those risks.

The other nice thing is in a democracy the church in one of the most conservative states in our entire union got put in their place by the voters/citizens.  Their abhorrent tricks couldn’t even scare the voters.

Tax em.  Tax em in their proper bracket

[Rage Against the McKee]

The nice thing about the law being the way that it is is that the doctor can tell the patient exactly what the risk factors are and then the patient can decide for herself if she wants to accept those risks.

The other nice thing is in a democracy the church in one of the most conservative states in our entire union got put in their place by the voters/citizens.  Their abhorrent tricks couldn’t even scare the voters.

Tax em.  Tax em in their proper bracket

I think this would probably also pass as a referendum to the public, but unfortunately the representatives we elect routinely vote for the opposite of what people actually want.

[DQ12]

The "tax the church" stuff doesn't really make sense to me.  They're non-profits. 

Is the plan to tax all 501(c)s (seems bad?) or just carve out churches?   

[steve dave]

The "tax the church" stuff doesn't really make sense to me.  They're non-profits. 

Is the plan to tax all 501(c)s (seems bad?) or just carve out churches?

Carve out churches and an absolute shitload of BS 501(c) organizations. We are way too lenient in our allowances there. Could find massive amounts of actual beneficial things.


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[Rage Against the McKee]

Churches that could still justify themselves as a charity would still qualify. Just get rid of the language that makes them automatically exempt.

[XocolateThundarr]

this is going to sound made up because of how moderate I am but I am moderate on abortion. I am pro-life with a wide range of exceptions. I wouldn't want those exceptions to be determined by the Ronny rough ridin' Ryckman's (massive downgrade from meade, ks in a long family of massive rough ridin' downgrades) of the world.

This is exactly where I am at on this deal. 

[OK_Cat]

I’m very torn on taxing churches, because I worked at a church as a side gig for a little while and saw a lot of great things being done in public and behind the scenes, but also a lot of waste.


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[steve dave]

the mormon church is sitting on $100b of tax free gold coins in a scrooge mcduck gold coin vault
the church of scientology rakes tax free
the pope shits on a solid gold toilet

none of these places should be exempt from taxes just because they've built tremendous pyramid schemes. they should be taxed like any other multi level marketer.

[steve dave]

I’m very torn on taxing churches, because I worked at a church as a side gig for a little while and saw a lot of great things being done in public and behind the scenes, but also a lot of waste.


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yeah, my company does a shitload of really great stuff for the community as well. and we pay taxes like everyone else.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Anyone who gives money to a political campaign should be paying taxes, regardless of whatever else they do.

[steve dave]

Anyone who gives money to a political campaign should be paying taxes, regardless of whatever else they do.

yeah, the fact that anyone can avoid paying any taxes and turn around and meddle in politics with their tax free hoard is baffling.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

Joel Osteen ministries is a pretty glaring example of why churches should be taxed.

[OK_Cat]

Shades of gray, my friends


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[Rage Against the McKee]

Imagine all of the good that could have been done for the poor and needy if the millions of dollars the church threw away on the Value them Both campaign would have gone to the government instead.

[OK_Cat]

Imagine all of the good that could have been done for the poor and needy if the millions of dollars the church threw away on the Value them Both campaign would have gone to the government instead.

Lol


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[Dugout DickStone]

If you won't tax an organization that will illegally spam text people outright lies about an abortion bill on the ballot then you won't tax anyone. 

My company does lots of good stuff and when it does, there is a charitable exemption from tax for those funds.  The catholic archdiocese in KC occupies one of the most ornate buildings in the midwest.  That money could have gone to orphans instead of spam text misinformation schemes

[DQ12]

Imagine all of the good that could have been done for the poor and needy if the millions of dollars the church threw away on the Value them Both campaign would have gone to the government instead.

haha!

If we want to tax nonprofits that gives money to political campaigns, fine with me.  Gonna be a bad day for a lot of nonprofits if that's the case though.

[CNS]

If you won't tax an organization that will illegally spam text people outright lies about an abortion bill on the ballot then you won't tax anyone. 

My company does lots of good stuff and when it does, there is a charitable exemption from tax for those funds.  The catholic archdiocese in KC occupies one of the most ornate buildings in the midwest.  That money could have gone to orphans instead of spam text misinformation schemes

I know a bunch of churches aren't anything like this.  I work with a crap ton of churches and most of them are housed in some form of a very old building in disrepair or a newer metal building with bare bones stuff inside.  I have no doubt that most of these places are scratching and clawing to make crap better for their community and I honestly think very highly of them for it. 

The Catholic church on the other hand...

[DQ12]

If you won't tax an organization that will illegally spam text people outright lies about an abortion bill on the ballot then you won't tax anyone. 

My company does lots of good stuff and when it does, there is a charitable exemption from tax for those funds.  The catholic archdiocese in KC occupies one of the most ornate buildings in the midwest.  That money could have gone to orphans instead of spam text misinformation schemes

You know, the Catholic Church in KC does do a lot of great things for the poor.  Food pantries, shelters, clothes, support systems...all sorts of things right here in kc.  I doubt there's many bigger charitable bodies in the KC metro than the Catholic Church.

Catholics (and the Church) view the legality of abortion as a terrible thing, and I don't think there's anything at all inconsistent about allocating resources to fight against that in the only way they can*.  You can do multiple things at once.

*to the extent the Church orchestrated or was had any real role in the text thing, that's bad and worthy of criticism.

[mocat]

County-by-county breakdown on the VTB vote:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-primary-elections/kansas-ballot-measures?icid=election_nav

*nice* (rounded) Johnson

[DreamWeaver69]

If you won't tax an organization that will illegally spam text people outright lies about an abortion bill on the ballot then you won't tax anyone. 

My company does lots of good stuff and when it does, there is a charitable exemption from tax for those funds.  The catholic archdiocese in KC occupies one of the most ornate buildings in the midwest.  That money could have gone to orphans instead of spam text misinformation schemes

You know, the Catholic Church in KC does do a lot of great things for the poor.  Food pantries, shelters, clothes, support systems...all sorts of things right here in kc.  I doubt there's many bigger charitable bodies in the KC metro than the Catholic Church.

Catholics (and the Church) view the legality of abortion as a terrible thing, and I don't think there's anything at all inconsistent about allocating resources to fight against that in the only way they can.  You can do multiple things at once.

Can co

[Rage Against the McKee]

If you won't tax an organization that will illegally spam text people outright lies about an abortion bill on the ballot then you won't tax anyone. 

My company does lots of good stuff and when it does, there is a charitable exemption from tax for those funds.  The catholic archdiocese in KC occupies one of the most ornate buildings in the midwest.  That money could have gone to orphans instead of spam text misinformation schemes

You know, the Catholic Church in KC does do a lot of great things for the poor.  Food pantries, shelters, clothes, support systems...all sorts of things right here in kc.  I doubt there's many bigger charitable bodies in the KC metro than the Catholic Church.

Catholics (and the Church) view the legality of abortion as a terrible thing, and I don't think there's anything at all inconsistent about allocating resources to fight against that in the only way they can*.  You can do multiple things at once.

*to the extent the Church orchestrated or was had any real role in the text thing, that's bad and worthy of criticism.

I don't think paying taxes would prevent them from doing any of that.

[DQ12]

If you won't tax an organization that will illegally spam text people outright lies about an abortion bill on the ballot then you won't tax anyone. 

My company does lots of good stuff and when it does, there is a charitable exemption from tax for those funds.  The catholic archdiocese in KC occupies one of the most ornate buildings in the midwest.  That money could have gone to orphans instead of spam text misinformation schemes

You know, the Catholic Church in KC does do a lot of great things for the poor.  Food pantries, shelters, clothes, support systems...all sorts of things right here in kc.  I doubt there's many bigger charitable bodies in the KC metro than the Catholic Church.

Catholics (and the Church) view the legality of abortion as a terrible thing, and I don't think there's anything at all inconsistent about allocating resources to fight against that in the only way they can*.  You can do multiple things at once.

*to the extent the Church orchestrated or was had any real role in the text thing, that's bad and worthy of criticism.

I don't think paying taxes would prevent them from doing any of that.

Sure.  They'd be able to do less of that stuff, but yeah.  If we want to tax non-profits who donate money to political efforts, that's something we can definitely do.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

If you won't tax an organization that will illegally spam text people outright lies about an abortion bill on the ballot then you won't tax anyone. 

My company does lots of good stuff and when it does, there is a charitable exemption from tax for those funds.  The catholic archdiocese in KC occupies one of the most ornate buildings in the midwest.  That money could have gone to orphans instead of spam text misinformation schemes

You know, the Catholic Church in KC does do a lot of great things for the poor.  Food pantries, shelters, clothes, support systems...all sorts of things right here in kc.  I doubt there's many bigger charitable bodies in the KC metro than the Catholic Church.

Catholics (and the Church) view the legality of abortion as a terrible thing, and I don't think there's anything at all inconsistent about allocating resources to fight against that in the only way they can*.  You can do multiple things at once.

*to the extent the Church orchestrated or was had any real role in the text thing, that's bad and worthy of criticism.

I don't think paying taxes would prevent them from doing any of that.

yes, loving this talking point that if the church had to pay taxes they would be flat broke and have no funds available to help the community

[DQ12]

If you won't tax an organization that will illegally spam text people outright lies about an abortion bill on the ballot then you won't tax anyone. 

My company does lots of good stuff and when it does, there is a charitable exemption from tax for those funds.  The catholic archdiocese in KC occupies one of the most ornate buildings in the midwest.  That money could have gone to orphans instead of spam text misinformation schemes

You know, the Catholic Church in KC does do a lot of great things for the poor.  Food pantries, shelters, clothes, support systems...all sorts of things right here in kc.  I doubt there's many bigger charitable bodies in the KC metro than the Catholic Church.

Catholics (and the Church) view the legality of abortion as a terrible thing, and I don't think there's anything at all inconsistent about allocating resources to fight against that in the only way they can*.  You can do multiple things at once.

*to the extent the Church orchestrated or was had any real role in the text thing, that's bad and worthy of criticism.

I don't think paying taxes would prevent them from doing any of that.

yes, loving this talking point that if the church had to pay taxes they would be flat broke and have no funds available to help the community

Nobody made that point or came close to making that point.