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Re: 2020 (non-presidential) elections stuff
« Reply #475 on: December 03, 2020, 11:49:08 PM »
the funny thing is that the crenshaw district looks bad, but because the suburbs have moved left pretty hard over the last ten years, it's actually now pretty competitive.
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Re: 2020 (non-presidential) elections stuff
« Reply #476 on: December 04, 2020, 08:08:55 AM »

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Re: 2020 (non-presidential) elections stuff
« Reply #477 on: December 04, 2020, 08:53:39 AM »
Hyperbolic partisan duplicitous hypocrite

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Re: 2020 (non-presidential) elections stuff
« Reply #479 on: December 04, 2020, 09:25:09 PM »
https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1334870858196774917

The dems backed all of these milquetoast moderates that they could use to raise a ton of money and not scare suburbanites, and it was by all accounts a failed experiment. In many cases, not Gideon obviously, they lost to non moderate, right wing, MAGA embracing republicans. Do you think the DNC learned anything about this strategy or will we be talking about them losing their very slim majority (If they're lucky) in two years?

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Re: 2020 (non-presidential) elections stuff
« Reply #480 on: December 04, 2020, 09:37:30 PM »
non-milquetoast moderates generally did even worse.  everyone lost.
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Re: 2020 (non-presidential) elections stuff
« Reply #481 on: December 04, 2020, 09:39:18 PM »
https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1334870858196774917

The dems backed all of these milquetoast moderates that they could use to raise a ton of money and not scare suburbanites, and it was by all accounts a failed experiment. In many cases, not Gideon obviously, they lost to non moderate, right wing, MAGA embracing republicans. Do you think the DNC learned anything about this strategy or will we be talking about them losing their very slim majority (If they're lucky) in two years?

Do you have a single shred of evidence to support your claim that the reason democrats weren’t successful is bc they aren’t liberal enough?  Bc you look crazy.

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Re: 2020 (non-presidential) elections stuff
« Reply #482 on: December 04, 2020, 09:59:23 PM »
non-milquetoast moderates generally did even worse.  everyone lost.

No such thing

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Re: 2020 (non-presidential) elections stuff
« Reply #483 on: December 04, 2020, 10:04:56 PM »
No such thing

there were lots of house candidates.  also the tennessee senate candidate.
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Re: 2020 (non-presidential) elections stuff
« Reply #484 on: December 04, 2020, 10:07:57 PM »
https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1334870858196774917

The dems backed all of these milquetoast moderates that they could use to raise a ton of money and not scare suburbanites, and it was by all accounts a failed experiment. In many cases, not Gideon obviously, they lost to non moderate, right wing, MAGA embracing republicans. Do you think the DNC learned anything about this strategy or will we be talking about them losing their very slim majority (If they're lucky) in two years?

Do you have a single shred of evidence to support your claim that the reason democrats weren’t successful is bc they aren’t liberal enough?  Bc you look crazy.

No, I'm not, because you continue to oversimplify the conversation. I didn't say a damn thing about "not being liberal enough." I've showed you exit polls more than once that showed many of the issues that corporate dems run from are widely accepted by liberals, moderates, and in some cases conservatives, I won't do it again. I'm not going to waste my time convincing some brain dead anonymous internet poster that speaking to policy other than "we're not MAGA" isn't some far left concept. We're taking senate here but to my point

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1325141128450961414

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« Reply #485 on: December 04, 2020, 10:09:17 PM »
No such thing

there were lots of house candidates.  also the tennessee senate candidate.

Moderates who ran on policy stances not roundly adopted by the DNC?

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Re: 2020 (non-presidential) elections stuff
« Reply #486 on: December 04, 2020, 10:13:13 PM »
No such thing

there were lots of house candidates.  also the tennessee senate candidate.

Moderates who ran on policy stances not roundly adopted by the DNC?

oh, my phrasing was confusing.  i was saying that there were lots of candidates that were not "milquetoast moderates" not that there were lots of moderate candidates that were non milquetoast.
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Re: 2020 (non-presidential) elections stuff
« Reply #487 on: December 04, 2020, 10:14:52 PM »
No such thing

there were lots of house candidates.  also the tennessee senate candidate.

Moderates who ran on policy stances not roundly adopted by the DNC?

oh, my phrasing was confusing.  i was saying that there were lots of candidates that were not "milquetoast moderates" not that there were lots of moderate candidates that were non milquetoast.

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Re: 2020 (non-presidential) elections stuff
« Reply #488 on: December 04, 2020, 11:13:31 PM »
https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1334870858196774917

The dems backed all of these milquetoast moderates that they could use to raise a ton of money and not scare suburbanites, and it was by all accounts a failed experiment. In many cases, not Gideon obviously, they lost to non moderate, right wing, MAGA embracing republicans. Do you think the DNC learned anything about this strategy or will we be talking about them losing their very slim majority (If they're lucky) in two years?

Do you have a single shred of evidence to support your claim that the reason democrats weren’t successful is bc they aren’t liberal enough?  Bc you look crazy.

No, I'm not, because you continue to oversimplify the conversation. I didn't say a damn thing about "not being liberal enough." I've showed you exit polls more than once that showed many of the issues that corporate dems run from are widely accepted by liberals, moderates, and in some cases conservatives, I won't do it again. I'm not going to waste my time convincing some brain dead anonymous internet poster that speaking to policy other than "we're not MAGA" isn't some far left concept. We're taking senate here but to my point

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1325141128450961414

I think what you’re trying to say is no you don’t have any evidence.  You were pushing that exit poll garbage in the primaries as the candidate promoting those policies got obliterated by biden.

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Re: 2020 (non-presidential) elections stuff
« Reply #489 on: December 04, 2020, 11:51:01 PM »
kind of a fun quiz you can take to test how well you understand public opinion on a few issues.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/sanders-poll-quiz/
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Re: 2020 (non-presidential) elections stuff
« Reply #490 on: December 05, 2020, 12:00:29 AM »
kind of a fun quiz you can take to test how well you understand public opinion on a few issues.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/sanders-poll-quiz/

I was shocked more people support free college than Medicare for all. Was pretty close on the rest.

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Re: 2020 (non-presidential) elections stuff
« Reply #491 on: December 05, 2020, 12:15:00 AM »
I was shocked more people support free college than Medicare for all. Was pretty close on the rest.

shor is always saying that candidates should just talk about education nonstop.
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Re: 2020 (non-presidential) elections stuff
« Reply #492 on: December 05, 2020, 12:49:48 AM »
https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1334870858196774917

The dems backed all of these milquetoast moderates that they could use to raise a ton of money and not scare suburbanites, and it was by all accounts a failed experiment. In many cases, not Gideon obviously, they lost to non moderate, right wing, MAGA embracing republicans. Do you think the DNC learned anything about this strategy or will we be talking about them losing their very slim majority (If they're lucky) in two years?

Do you have a single shred of evidence to support your claim that the reason democrats weren’t successful is bc they aren’t liberal enough?  Bc you look crazy.

No, I'm not, because you continue to oversimplify the conversation. I didn't say a damn thing about "not being liberal enough." I've showed you exit polls more than once that showed many of the issues that corporate dems run from are widely accepted by liberals, moderates, and in some cases conservatives, I won't do it again. I'm not going to waste my time convincing some brain dead anonymous internet poster that speaking to policy other than "we're not MAGA" isn't some far left concept. We're taking senate here but to my point

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1325141128450961414

I think what you’re trying to say is no you don’t have any evidence.  You were pushing that exit poll garbage in the primaries as the candidate promoting those policies got obliterated by biden.

[redacted] I posted the fox news exit polls from the general election a month ago.

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Re: 2020 (non-presidential) elections stuff
« Reply #493 on: December 05, 2020, 12:57:33 AM »
kind of a fun quiz you can take to test how well you understand public opinion on a few issues.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/sanders-poll-quiz/

The only one I fell out of the margin of error on was M4A and I missed that one by almost 20%. Their polling data on that one doesn't match a few exit polls from the general. I'm guessing that public opinion hasn't shifted that much in a year, but maybe the pandemic has changed people's minds.

Personally I still favor a public option over M4A. M4A still doesn't address how we would deal with the destruction of a multi trillion dollar industry that employs tens, if not hundreds of thousand people.

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Re: 2020 (non-presidential) elections stuff
« Reply #494 on: December 05, 2020, 11:45:29 PM »
The Medicare 4 all one was the only one I missed by a wide margin and it is stupid because the polling on that has been all over the place depending upon the wording.

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Re: 2020 (non-presidential) elections stuff
« Reply #495 on: December 07, 2020, 08:54:45 AM »
I was high on border crossings and reparations, and way low on wealth tax.  Everything else I was right on.
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« Reply #496 on: December 07, 2020, 01:09:13 PM »
Anecdotal, jmo I don't think the mixed messages will hurt turnout too much on the R side.

yeah, they'll vote.  it's just like people believe in heaven, but they don't try to die quicker to get there.
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Re: 2020 (non-presidential) elections stuff
« Reply #498 on: December 08, 2020, 11:58:59 AM »
For those of us who don’t follow this stuff what does it mean exactly?
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« Reply #499 on: December 08, 2020, 12:06:38 PM »
For those of us who don’t follow this stuff what does it mean exactly?

big picture it means that 7 of 8 counties in some rando ny district totally mumped up their election canvass and a judge rightfully held them up to public ridicule.

in electoral terms it means that the dem is likely to win although without knowing where the uncounted ballots came from and why they weren't counted, it's not a sure thing.
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