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Duke: Now in favor with African-American's.
« on: March 12, 2019, 02:54:58 PM »
http://theundefeated.com/features/black-fans-of-duke-basketball-blue-devils/

I don't know what to think about this article.

Relevant, reaching, dumb  :dunno:






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Re: Duke: Now in favor with African-American's.
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2019, 03:48:11 PM »
8% of all college fans are Duke fans? That's insanely high if true.
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Re: Duke: Now in favor with African-American's.
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2019, 03:50:48 PM »
8% of all college fans are Duke fans? That's insanely high if true.

I was late '90s, early 2000s.

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Re: Duke: Now in favor with African-American's.
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2019, 04:20:23 PM »
this reminds me of the claims of soccer teams that they have hundreds of millions of "global fans" and show some weird survey about China.  Makes me think our #1 College Town and #1 Pre-Game Experience brought to you by Carl and Mary Ice is just SOP for PR flacks these days.
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Re: Duke: Now in favor with African-American's.
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2019, 04:22:05 PM »
Our #1 college town ranking is God's honest truth, though. I've been to them all and we are hands down the best.

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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2019, 08:44:24 PM »
I'm not going to vouch for the stats but the grander point of this article is spot on.

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Re: Duke: Now in favor with African-American's.
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2019, 07:47:35 PM »
Our #1 college town ranking is God's honest truth, though. I've been to them all and we are hands down the best.

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Re: Duke: Now in favor with African-American's.
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2019, 10:37:58 PM »
Our #1 college town ranking is God's honest truth, though. I've been to them all and we are hands down the best.

Ever been to Metairie, LA.?

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Re: Duke: Now in favor with African-American's.
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2019, 12:46:28 PM »
http://theundefeated.com/features/black-fans-of-duke-basketball-blue-devils/

I don't know what to think about this article.

Relevant, reaching, dumb  :dunno:

What it says to me, among other things, is that Duke didn't become popular with blacks until academics were no longer the/a priority for basketball players.

You can argue that academics are not an issue anywhere anymore but most of the schools like Duke; Notre Dame, Stanford, Vanderbilt, etc. at least gave the impression, however false it may or may not have been, that they would, did and have not lowered their academic standards just to recruit a better athlete.

Doesn't say much about society at-large when we at least implicitly reward physical achievement over academic achievement. I would have liked to have seen some kind of background on how well all those "failed" NBA Duke alumni have done in the other careers once the NBA didn't pan our and/or how the other black players, that were not one-and-done have done after they left Duke.

To me, there's just not a whole lot to like about this article. I perpetuates the growing marginalization and segregation of our society into separate colors. More and more things are being described by a label that segregates a certain segment of society either into a specific group or excludes them from it.
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Re: Duke: Now in favor with African-American's.
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2019, 02:16:43 PM »
http://theundefeated.com/features/black-fans-of-duke-basketball-blue-devils/

I don't know what to think about this article.

Relevant, reaching, dumb  :dunno:

What it says to me, among other things, is that Duke didn't become popular with blacks until academics were no longer the/a priority for basketball players.

You can argue that academics are not an issue anywhere anymore but most of the schools like Duke; Notre Dame, Stanford, Vanderbilt, etc. at least gave the impression, however false it may or may not have been, that they would, did and have not lowered their academic standards just to recruit a better athlete.

Doesn't say much about society at-large when we at least implicitly reward physical achievement over academic achievement. I would have liked to have seen some kind of background on how well all those "failed" NBA Duke alumni have done in the other careers once the NBA didn't pan our and/or how the other black players, that were not one-and-done have done after they left Duke.

To me, there's just not a whole lot to like about this article. I perpetuates the growing marginalization and segregation of our society into separate colors. More and more things are being described by a label that segregates a certain segment of society either into a specific group or excludes them from it.

No no no no no no no no no no no no no NO! I know I bolded one paragraph but I feel this way about your entire post. The reason that Duke wasn't as embraced by Black America, they weren't embraced by anyone by the way, is because of precisely what you just did. They had an air of that they were essentially too good to do college basketball like "everyone else does." They were beating everyone over the head with how different they were, when they really weren't. Not only were they good but they acted as if they didn't want to be like everyone else and that comes with a coded message, same thing you just did. Whether you intended it or not, your post just said "black people didn't care about Duke when they cared about academics." WOOF.

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Re: Duke: Now in favor with African-American's.
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2019, 09:12:13 PM »
No crap - Cory Maggette sure as crap didn’t take a pay cut to go from Myron Piggie’s 76ers when he went to Duke.  When K has had elite bagmen like Quin & Capel he got elite recruits.

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Re: Duke: Now in favor with African-American's.
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2019, 09:50:21 PM »
I haven't heard about a college athlete being ineligible due to grades in about 30 years, does it not happen or is that like a privacy law or something
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Re: Duke: Now in favor with African-American's.
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2019, 10:51:19 PM »
I haven't heard about a college athlete being ineligible due to grades in about 30 years, does it not happen or is that like a privacy law or something

It still happens every year but it's not as common because athletic departments pour a lot more money into academic support. And yes, there are privacy laws regarding releasing the info. The reporting happens at semester so if you see a football player missing a bowl game or a basketball player either starting or stopping their season in January it's likely academics.

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Re: Duke: Now in favor with African-American's.
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2019, 11:10:08 PM »
KU under Larry Brown and Roy Williams brought the Dean Smith “Carolina Way” Bullshit that walked hand in hand with Coach K and Duke vintage 80’s and early 90’s.  Larry Brown brought  a little more urban Philly kid heat, but it’s still cut of the same cloth. 

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Re: Duke: Now in favor with African-American's.
« Reply #14 on: Today at 09:59:43 AM »
I'm not a believer that schools with tougher admissions standards are more difficult or better academically, anyway. They graduate pretty much everyone.

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« Reply #15 on: Today at 10:04:52 AM »
I'm not a believer that schools with tougher admissions standards are more difficult or better academically, anyway. They graduate pretty much everyone.
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« Reply #16 on: Today at 10:19:19 AM »
I'm not a believer that schools with tougher admissions standards are more difficult or better academically, anyway. They graduate pretty much everyone.
You can't be serious.

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« Reply #17 on: Today at 10:23:48 AM »
That's your case study? Also, I guarantee he could have. All he would have to do was not try to be an engineer or a vet.

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« Reply #18 on: Today at 10:52:19 AM »
Tougher admissions standards is intended to limit the number of failures/dropouts and doesn't really have anything to do with the quality of education.   :th_twocents: