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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: sonofdaxjones on March 12, 2019, 02:54:58 PM
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http://theundefeated.com/features/black-fans-of-duke-basketball-blue-devils/
I don't know what to think about this article.
Relevant, reaching, dumb :dunno:
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8% of all college fans are Duke fans? That's insanely high if true.
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8% of all college fans are Duke fans? That's insanely high if true.
I was late '90s, early 2000s.
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this reminds me of the claims of soccer teams that they have hundreds of millions of "global fans" and show some weird survey about China. Makes me think our #1 College Town and #1 Pre-Game Experience brought to you by Carl and Mary Ice is just SOP for PR flacks these days.
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Our #1 college town ranking is God's honest truth, though. I've been to them all and we are hands down the best.
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I'm not going to vouch for the stats but the grander point of this article is spot on.
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Our #1 college town ranking is God's honest truth, though. I've been to them all and we are hands down the best.
Ever been to Metairie, LA.?
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Our #1 college town ranking is God's honest truth, though. I've been to them all and we are hands down the best.
Ever been to Metairie, LA.?
:ROFL:
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http://theundefeated.com/features/black-fans-of-duke-basketball-blue-devils/
I don't know what to think about this article.
Relevant, reaching, dumb :dunno:
What it says to me, among other things, is that Duke didn't become popular with blacks until academics were no longer the/a priority for basketball players.
You can argue that academics are not an issue anywhere anymore but most of the schools like Duke; Notre Dame, Stanford, Vanderbilt, etc. at least gave the impression, however false it may or may not have been, that they would, did and have not lowered their academic standards just to recruit a better athlete.
Doesn't say much about society at-large when we at least implicitly reward physical achievement over academic achievement. I would have liked to have seen some kind of background on how well all those "failed" NBA Duke alumni have done in the other careers once the NBA didn't pan our and/or how the other black players, that were not one-and-done have done after they left Duke.
To me, there's just not a whole lot to like about this article. I perpetuates the growing marginalization and segregation of our society into separate colors. More and more things are being described by a label that segregates a certain segment of society either into a specific group or excludes them from it.
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http://theundefeated.com/features/black-fans-of-duke-basketball-blue-devils/
I don't know what to think about this article.
Relevant, reaching, dumb :dunno:
What it says to me, among other things, is that Duke didn't become popular with blacks until academics were no longer the/a priority for basketball players.
You can argue that academics are not an issue anywhere anymore but most of the schools like Duke; Notre Dame, Stanford, Vanderbilt, etc. at least gave the impression, however false it may or may not have been, that they would, did and have not lowered their academic standards just to recruit a better athlete.
Doesn't say much about society at-large when we at least implicitly reward physical achievement over academic achievement. I would have liked to have seen some kind of background on how well all those "failed" NBA Duke alumni have done in the other careers once the NBA didn't pan our and/or how the other black players, that were not one-and-done have done after they left Duke.
To me, there's just not a whole lot to like about this article. I perpetuates the growing marginalization and segregation of our society into separate colors. More and more things are being described by a label that segregates a certain segment of society either into a specific group or excludes them from it.
No no no no no no no no no no no no no NO! I know I bolded one paragraph but I feel this way about your entire post. The reason that Duke wasn't as embraced by Black America, they weren't embraced by anyone by the way, is because of precisely what you just did. They had an air of that they were essentially too good to do college basketball like "everyone else does." They were beating everyone over the head with how different they were, when they really weren't. Not only were they good but they acted as if they didn't want to be like everyone else and that comes with a coded message, same thing you just did. Whether you intended it or not, your post just said "black people didn't care about Duke when they cared about academics." WOOF.
Bomani Jones addressed this in one of his podcasts this week and I think he nailed it. You should definitely listen, it starts at 29:50
* Published: 3/12/19 12:12:00 PM
* Episode Download link (4 MB): https://play.podtrac.com/espn-therighttimewithbomanijones/c.espnradio.com/s:J1X3L/audio/3604529/bomanijones_2019-03-12-125929.64k.mp3
* Episode feed: The Right Time with Bomani Jones - http://www.espn.com/espnradio/podcast/feeds/itunes/podCast?id=12563086
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No crap - Cory Maggette sure as crap didn’t take a pay cut to go from Myron Piggie’s 76ers when he went to Duke. When K has had elite bagmen like Quin & Capel he got elite recruits.
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I haven't heard about a college athlete being ineligible due to grades in about 30 years, does it not happen or is that like a privacy law or something
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I haven't heard about a college athlete being ineligible due to grades in about 30 years, does it not happen or is that like a privacy law or something
It still happens every year but it's not as common because athletic departments pour a lot more money into academic support. And yes, there are privacy laws regarding releasing the info. The reporting happens at semester so if you see a football player missing a bowl game or a basketball player either starting or stopping their season in January it's likely academics.
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KU under Larry Brown and Roy Williams brought the Dean Smith “Carolina Way” Bullshit that walked hand in hand with Coach K and Duke vintage 80’s and early 90’s. Larry Brown brought a little more urban Philly kid heat, but it’s still cut of the same cloth.
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I'm not a believer that schools with tougher admissions standards are more difficult or better academically, anyway. They graduate pretty much everyone.
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I'm not a believer that schools with tougher admissions standards are more difficult or better academically, anyway. They graduate pretty much everyone.
You can't be serious.
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I'm not a believer that schools with tougher admissions standards are more difficult or better academically, anyway. They graduate pretty much everyone.
You can't be serious.
I don't think Donald Trump would have been able to graduate from Kansas State University.
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That's your case study? Also, I guarantee he could have. All he would have to do was not try to be an engineer or a vet.
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Tougher admissions standards is intended to limit the number of failures/dropouts and doesn't really have anything to do with the quality of education. :th_twocents:
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That's definitely a part of it. However, I know several K-State journalism grads that would have not lasted long at Syracuse. I think they both play hand in hand.
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I hear people talk about places like Stanford . . . hard to get in, but once in, keep paying that tuition, don't eff up and you're gettin that diploma because they need to justify their admission standards with a stout graduation rate.
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Local African-Americans aren't all that thrilled with them:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/18/us/duke-durham-light-rail-chapel-hill.html?emc=edit_th_190319&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=208921680319
And Kevin Primus, a former manager of the Duke men’s basketball team, said the rejection of the light-rail plan justified the school’s reputation among some African-Americans like him, who still occasionally refer to it as “the plantation.”
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I hear people talk about places like Stanford . . . hard to get in, but once in, keep paying that tuition, don't eff up and you're gettin that diploma because they need to justify their admission standards with a stout graduation rate.
Yeah, Stanford gives no Fs.
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Says two people who never went to Stanford. Case closed!
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Says two people who never went to Stanford. Case closed!
It's their official policy to give no Fs, wacky.
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Says two people who never went to Stanford. Case closed!
It's their official policy to give no Fs, wacky.
That's also my official policy.
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On a related note, Yale law school doesnt even give grades.
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WackyTuck is a very by the book guy when he needs to be. A real stickler for details and front line information. None of this anecdotal crap for the Wackster.
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Oh man, what a tuck I am for semi defending some of these top rate schools/programs. The horror! Not sure who turned you guys away, but T's & P's. God bless. :Kisses:
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https://www.businessinsider.com/13-schools-where-its-really-hard-to-fail-2013-5
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Rage, I don't want to muddy up this thread over this subject. I know you're smart enough to know that Harvard/Yale law's end goal is to prepare you for one giant test and to make you the best at what you do afterwards. What's crazy are a lot of these programs turn out some of the best of the best. Crazy, I know. They also have extensive admission requirements like you listed, so they don't have to deal with a bunch of rubes in their programs.
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I just find it laughable that people still think a school is preserving academic integrity by applying stringent admissions standards to athletes while other dumb kids can just buy or bribe their way in. Everyone graduates from these schools, regardless.
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Oh man, what a tuck I am for semi defending some of these top rate schools/programs. The horror! Not sure who turned you guys away, but T's & P's. God bless. :Kisses:
I'm not at all saying they're not very fine institutions of higher learning.
They're also not dumb. For example wealthy legacy families tend to get butt hurt if grandson #3 flunks out. That isn't to say they won't flunk out eff ups, they will.
IMO there's a tier of schools such as Carnegie Mellon where a higher level of real academic pressure lies. Schools that are less in the limelight in terms of being household names but still truly elite academic institutions. Anecdotally I've been told by those ITK that schools within the domain I mentioned really don't give an eff who you are, who your family is etc. etc. Either you cut it or they cut you.
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Local African-Americans aren't all that thrilled with them:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/18/us/duke-durham-light-rail-chapel-hill.html?emc=edit_th_190319&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=208921680319
And Kevin Primus, a former manager of the Duke men’s basketball team, said the rejection of the light-rail plan justified the school’s reputation among some African-Americans like him, who still occasionally refer to it as “the plantation.”
They can love the crap out of Zion but hate the hell out of the institution of Duke University.