Author Topic: Klieman ain't the answer (Read 14386 times)

j rake · « **Reply #50 on:** November 21, 2020, 11:44:00 PM »

"We need to improve, get better and we can’t worry about things we can’t control. We got hammered with Covid the last two weeks and we can’t worry about that. I know it stinks for the guys when there’s a number of guys that can’t make the trip because they get pulled for Covid, but we’ve got to move on from that. That’s just the reality. That just is going to happen."

michigancat · « **Reply #51 on:** November 21, 2020, 11:44:47 PM »

How do Kleiman and Snyder compare through two seasons

Statistically

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #52 on:** November 21, 2020, 11:54:50 PM »

The mole was his nickname? I’d move to shaved ham mash potatoes face but that’s just me.

Trim · « **Reply #53 on:** November 22, 2020, 12:01:27 AM »

SLTH?

SkinnyBenny · « **Reply #54 on:** November 22, 2020, 02:11:03 AM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on November 21, 2020, 09:49:08 PM

I can't take anyone seriously who compares Klieman to Prince. If you're doing this either your memory is terrible or you just need to get a grip, maybe read the Ron Prince stories thread. I am one who thinks the depths of the Prince Era continues greatly exaggerated too. By this point in year two every game was completely hopeless and we didn't have injuries and COVID to blame.

FWIW I waslike 77% tongu-in-cheek with my Prince comparo

MakeItRain · « **Reply #55 on:** November 22, 2020, 03:58:47 AM »

Quote from: Dugout DickStone on November 21, 2020, 11:42:47 PM

Quote from: MakeItRain on November 21, 2020, 09:49:08 PM
I can't take anyone seriously who compares Klieman to Prince. If you're doing this either your memory is terrible or you just need to get a grip, maybe read the Ron Prince stories thread. I am one who thinks the depths of the Prince Era continues greatly exaggerated too. By this point in year two every game was completely hopeless and we didn't have injuries and COVID to blame.

I hate stats too. Objective numbers that can’t be denied are usually wrong.

Stats or stat? The only statistical comparison I've seen is totally blind win/loss comparison that didn't even account for schedule strength? Let me know what else I'm missing.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #56 on:** November 22, 2020, 04:00:25 AM »

Quote from: SkinnyBenny on November 22, 2020, 02:11:03 AM

Quote from: MakeItRain on November 21, 2020, 09:49:08 PM
I can't take anyone seriously who compares Klieman to Prince. If you're doing this either your memory is terrible or you just need to get a grip, maybe read the Ron Prince stories thread. I am one who thinks the depths of the Prince Era continues greatly exaggerated too. By this point in year two every game was completely hopeless and we didn't have injuries and COVID to blame.

FWIW I waslike 77% tongu-in-cheek with my Prince comparo

I know.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #57 on:** November 22, 2020, 04:03:48 AM »

Quote from: michigancat on November 21, 2020, 05:37:57 PM

Quote from: Pete on November 21, 2020, 05:34:44 PM
Is it impossible for anyone other than LHC Bill Snyder to go to two bowl games in a row at Kansas State?
We may never know

We're probably going to a bowl game whether we beat Baylor or not.

IPA4Me · « **Reply #58 on:** November 22, 2020, 04:54:23 AM »

Imagine being upset about anything sports related in a pandemic. Nope. Can't.

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Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #59 on:** November 22, 2020, 10:28:59 AM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on November 22, 2020, 03:58:47 AM

Quote from: Dugout DickStone on November 21, 2020, 11:42:47 PM
Quote from: MakeItRain on November 21, 2020, 09:49:08 PM
I can't take anyone seriously who compares Klieman to Prince. If you're doing this either your memory is terrible or you just need to get a grip, maybe read the Ron Prince stories thread. I am one who thinks the depths of the Prince Era continues greatly exaggerated too. By this point in year two every game was completely hopeless and we didn't have injuries and COVID to blame.

I hate stats too. Objective numbers that can’t be denied are usually wrong.

Stats or stat? The only statistical comparison I've seen is totally blind win/loss comparison that didn't even account for schedule strength? Let me know what else I'm missing.

yes, winning, losing, recruiting. I was looking for stats on pounding the stone or other slogans but those are hard to find

MakeItRain · « **Reply #60 on:** November 22, 2020, 12:07:09 PM »

Quote from: Dugout DickStone on November 22, 2020, 10:28:59 AM

Quote from: MakeItRain on November 22, 2020, 03:58:47 AM
Quote from: Dugout DickStone on November 21, 2020, 11:42:47 PM
Quote from: MakeItRain on November 21, 2020, 09:49:08 PM
I can't take anyone seriously who compares Klieman to Prince. If you're doing this either your memory is terrible or you just need to get a grip, maybe read the Ron Prince stories thread. I am one who thinks the depths of the Prince Era continues greatly exaggerated too. By this point in year two every game was completely hopeless and we didn't have injuries and COVID to blame.

I hate stats too. Objective numbers that can’t be denied are usually wrong.

Stats or stat? The only statistical comparison I've seen is totally blind win/loss comparison that didn't even account for schedule strength? Let me know what else I'm missing.

yes, winning, losing, recruiting. I was looking for stats on pounding the stone or other slogans but those are hard to find

So we've covered that Klieman has a better won loss record, with a tougher schedule to this point. How do the recruiting classes compare?

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #61 on:** November 22, 2020, 12:10:39 PM »

We missed out on 2 free wins due to the shortened season. Of course, we were given 1 free win and we lost that game. I like Klieman. I think he's better than Prince. I also didn't really want Prince fired until his third season.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #62 on:** November 22, 2020, 12:23:57 PM »

Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on November 22, 2020, 12:10:39 PM

We missed out on 2 free wins due to the shortened season. Of course, we were given 1 free win and we lost that game. I like Klieman. I think he's better than Prince. I also didn't really want Prince fired until his third season.

We lost to arkansas state at home

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #63 on:** November 22, 2020, 12:27:23 PM »

I am just saying we could pay less than $2.5 mm to absorb weekly ass kickings.

wiley · « **Reply #64 on:** November 22, 2020, 01:20:07 PM »

Quote from: Dugout DickStone on November 22, 2020, 12:27:23 PM

I am just saying we could pay less than $2.5 mm to absorb weekly ass kickings.

I will be interested if Klieman makes staff moves, not necessarily after this year, but in future seasons. I know alot of coaches ride or die with the original staff unless they are threatened by higher powers.

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Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #65 on:** November 22, 2020, 01:44:37 PM »

The Mole is very loyal

wiley · « **Reply #66 on:** November 22, 2020, 01:54:49 PM »

Quote from: Dugout DickStone on November 22, 2020, 01:44:37 PM

The Mole is very loyal

So messingham will essentially be his undoing?

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MakeItRain · « **Reply #67 on:** November 22, 2020, 09:52:55 PM »

Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on November 22, 2020, 12:10:39 PM

I also didn't really want Prince fired until his third season.

Same, but at the end of year two, we all knew where it was going. Prince's second and third classes were disasters. The best player in his second class turned out to be Tysyn Hartman. He did land two very good juco players in his last class, Daniel Thomas and Brandon Banks, but Banks was one of those players with no P5 offers, and Thomas only had one good P5 offer, which I'm hearing we're now apparently too good for.

slackcat · « **Reply #68 on:** December 06, 2020, 07:19:21 AM »

Quote from: wiley on November 22, 2020, 01:54:49 PM

Quote from: Dugout DickStone on November 22, 2020, 01:44:37 PM
The Mole is very loyal
So messingham will essentially be his undoing?

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And the rest of his shitty staff. Never wanted shavedhamfacemolemashedpotatoes to start with.

wetwillie · « **Reply #69 on:** December 06, 2020, 07:25:45 AM »

Who did you want?

slackcat · « **Reply #70 on:** December 06, 2020, 08:03:30 AM »

My fav

michigancat · « **Reply #71 on:** December 06, 2020, 08:10:12 AM »

Quote from: slackcat on December 06, 2020, 08:03:30 AM

My fav

He's going to end up with the same conference record as Kli this season. And he didn't lose his QB!

wetwillie · « **Reply #72 on:** December 06, 2020, 08:29:33 AM »

He is recruiting at a much higher level so I guess we will see
If he can translate that to more wins next year.

slackcat · « **Reply #73 on:** December 06, 2020, 08:40:05 AM »

Quote from: michigancat on December 06, 2020, 08:10:12 AM

Quote from: slackcat on December 06, 2020, 08:03:30 AM

My fav
He's going to end up with the same conference record as Kli this season. And he didn't lose his QB!

TBD. He is 2-0 v. the Mole

michigancat · « **Reply #74 on:** December 06, 2020, 08:48:48 AM »

Quote from: wetwillie on December 06, 2020, 08:29:33 AM

He is recruiting at a much higher level so I guess we will see
If he can translate that to more wins next year.

He's landed a few more four stars but isn't on another stratosphere like OU or Texas. The classes are close enough that depending on a couple busts and diamonds in the rough they could end up similar once they start playing.