Klieman ain't the answer

[michigancat]

I think all these things can be true:
1. Overall, Klieman’s a pretty good coach/program CEO
2. His end half time management skills & points chasing decisions are outlier bad for a good coach. Like a kid taking an assessment test getting 90th percentile in everything except in one subject they get an 18th percentile.
3. Will Howard is playing as a true freshman QB
4. It’s really hard to judge a true freshman QB
5. The number of wobbly balls he throws is concerning for a potential developmental P5 QB.
6. Skyler threw a much better ball when he was getting PT as a RSFR.
7. Given how Skyler has progressed over 3 years, I’m not sure Klein is the best QB skill developer.

#7 is weird

[kashi1965]

I think all these things can be true:
1. Overall, Klieman’s a pretty good coach/program CEO
2. His end half time management skills & points chasing decisions are outlier bad for a good coach. Like a kid taking an assessment test getting 90th percentile in everything except in one subject they get an 18th percentile.
3. Will Howard is playing as a true freshman QB
4. It’s really hard to judge a true freshman QB
5. The number of wobbly balls he throws is concerning for a potential developmental P5 QB.
6. Skyler threw a much better ball when he was getting PT as a RSFR.
7. Given how Skyler has progressed over 3 years, I’m not sure Klein is the best QB skill developer.

i think Skylar was a solid average QB. maybe a little below average in the B12. But the difference btw him and will howard is gigantic. Skylar is better in every single way. not shocking since howard is a freshman but i dont see any signs with howard that he will turn out to be a better passer or better runner than skylar. There are so many elite QBs out there most programs get at least one. Klieman pretty much struck out on many of his top recruits in the last class. It was not a good sign for recruiting in the future. I think the coaches are good Xs and Os. I'm not convinced that is good enough. I'd rather have the best recruiters. I know that doesn't guarantee anything but at least you have the talent and only have to teach them. with lesser talent you have to be perfect to win. and its hard to be perfect.

[MakeItRain]

I think all these things can be true:
1. Overall, Klieman’s a pretty good coach/program CEO
2. His end half time management skills & points chasing decisions are outlier bad for a good coach. Like a kid taking an assessment test getting 90th percentile in everything except in one subject they get an 18th percentile.
3. Will Howard is playing as a true freshman QB
4. It’s really hard to judge a true freshman QB
5. The number of wobbly balls he throws is concerning for a potential developmental P5 QB.
6. Skyler threw a much better ball when he was getting PT as a RSFR.
7. Given how Skyler has progressed over 3 years, I’m not sure Klein is the best QB skill developer.

#7 is weird

Yes that makes no sense. Also unless we find out later he Grant Gregoried his shoulder, we have enough evidence that Will has a noodle arm.

[PurpleOil]

We win yesterday's game, and possibly even against WVU if we still have Thompson under center. That's really all there is to this.

Klieman may end up not being the best recruiter, but we know he's a good coach. I'd rather have that than someone who brings in all kinds of talent but fails to win, like plenty of past BigXII coaches. This year has been a crapshoot anyways. I'm certainly willing to give him another two years before I start questioning anything.

My opinion is still not decided on Messingham though.

[Trim]

His answer about the first 2-point conversion was as ridiculous as anything RP ever said, at least things said in a football coaching capacity.

[Dugout DickStone]

His answer about the first 2-point conversion was as ridiculous as anything RP ever said, at least things said in a football coaching capacity.

Good move qualifying that

[Purple Derpathy]

This thread has my interest.

[PurpleOil]

Not ready to bail yet, but keeping an eye on this thread.

[WildcatNkilt]

This thread is stupid.  Only appropriate to bring it back late 2021 if necessary. 

[Purple Derpathy]

This thread is stupid.  Only appropriate to bring it back late 2021 if necessary.

Is winning stupid too?

[CHONGS]

Losing at the half by 35 points to Iowa State is never excusable. 

[WildcatNkilt]

This thread is stupid.  Only appropriate to bring it back late 2021 if necessary.

Is winning stupid too?

You should be mad we traveled, not that we are losing.  Kleiman didn’t make up the COVID rules.  If you knew the facts leading up to this game you would know we should have never played it.

[SkinnyBenny]

His answer about the first 2-point conversion was as ridiculous as anything RP ever said, at least things said in a football coaching capacity.

I'm glad you qualified this with the part at the end, because no one in human history has said anything as insane as when Ron Prince said that "35 million people" would be watching K-State's game at Louisville on a Wednesday night.


Klieman appears to be Princing now, though.
--Starts off hot, beating OU first two years
--Gonna finish his second season 4-5 with no bowl (unless lifting requirements for Covid gets us a pity invite)
--d00ds transferring left and right


Need someone who can come in and calm the waters.

[PurpleOil]

The circumstances are obviously different, but the similarities are also undeniable.

[WildcatNkilt]

Personalities are very different between Klieman and Prince. Weird comparison. 

Throw this season out the window due to COVID inconsistencies.  LSU is 3-3 right now and almost 2-4.  Super weird season all around.  Only thing consistent is how awful KU is.

[michigancat]

Also worth noting that Prince and Kleiman aren't Snyder. Can't deny the similarities

[Pete]

Is it impossible for anyone other than LHC Bill Snyder to go to two bowl games in a row at Kansas State?   

[michigancat]

Is it impossible for anyone other than LHC Bill Snyder to go to two bowl games in a row at Kansas State?

We may never know

[PurpleOil]

Is it impossible for anyone other than LHC Bill Snyder to go to two bowl games in a row at Kansas State?

To be determined

[sys]

If you knew the facts leading up to this game you would know we should have never played it.

insisting on playing a game you know we're going to lose isn't the kstate way and proves the klinemann doesn't understand or respect our culture.

[Cire]

Bill would have never allowed a team to travel and play a game that want an absolute slam dunk with all the possible outs that covid has allowed.


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[KITNfury]

Bill would have never allowed a team to travel and play a game that want an absolute slam dunk with all the possible outs that covid has allowed.


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Most truthful statement in this thread

[MakeItRain]

I can't take anyone seriously who compares Klieman to Prince. If you're doing this either your memory is terrible or you just need to get a grip, maybe read the Ron Prince stories thread. I am one who thinks the depths of the Prince Era continues greatly exaggerated too. By this point in year two every game was completely hopeless and we didn't have injuries and COVID to blame.

[jtksu]

Personalities are very different between Klieman and Prince. Weird comparison. 

Throw this season out the window due to COVID inconsistencies.  LSU is 3-3 right now and almost 2-4.  Super weird season all around.  Only thing consistent is how awful KU is.

Hell, has Penn St even won a game this year?

[Dugout DickStone]

I can't take anyone seriously who compares Klieman to Prince. If you're doing this either your memory is terrible or you just need to get a grip, maybe read the Ron Prince stories thread. I am one who thinks the depths of the Prince Era continues greatly exaggerated too. By this point in year two every game was completely hopeless and we didn't have injuries and COVID to blame.

I hate stats too.  Objective numbers that can’t be denied are usually wrong.