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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: slackcat on December 07, 2018, 06:59:08 PM
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Really, anyone named "The Mole" shouldn't set foot in Manhattan, let alone Kansas.
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I was all in on him until this thread
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What if the question is 'who is named "The Mole" and shouldn't set foot in Manhattan, let alone Kansas?'
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What if the question is 'who is named "The Mole" and shouldn't set foot in Manhattan, let alone Kansas?'
Check mate libtard
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You guys dont deserve him and you dont deserve winning then.
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You guys dont deserve him and you dont deserve winning then.
We deserve whatever the eff we want. We deserves our coach. We deserve everything, at least for a day. eff off if you don’t think that.
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Jesus, when this dude has a quarterback I'm not sure he'll ever lose. This might be the best, really bad football team in the history of the sport.
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Jesus, when this dude has a quarterback I'm not sure he'll ever lose. This might be the best, really bad football team in the history of the sport.
The future does look exciting. I do think it's too quick to dump on Howard, his mistakes can be corrected.
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Jesus, when this dude has a quarterback I'm not sure he'll ever lose. This might be the best, really bad football team in the history of the sport.
We have a very good DL I think and other than Deuce and a couple DB's everyone isn't very good
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Jesus, when this dude has a quarterback I'm not sure he'll ever lose. This might be the best, really bad football team in the history of the sport.
When do you think he will have a QB?
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Jesus, when this dude has a quarterback I'm not sure he'll ever lose. This might be the best, really bad football team in the history of the sport.
When do you think he will have a QB?
Is your memory mumped? You think we lose that game with Skylar?
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Jesus, when this dude has a quarterback I'm not sure he'll ever lose. This might be the best, really bad football team in the history of the sport.
When do you think he will have a QB?
Is your memory mumped? You think we lose that game with Skylar?
We lost to Arkansas State with Skylar at QB
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Jesus, when this dude has a quarterback I'm not sure he'll ever lose. This might be the best, really bad football team in the history of the sport.
When do you think he will have a QB?
Is your memory mumped? You think we lose that game with Skylar?
We lost to Arkansas State with Skylar at QB
Yeah, that's probably more indicative of what the team is instead of everything that happened since.
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He needs to delegate things like time management and extra points to someone better at it but everything else is pretty impressive so far
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He needs to delegate things like time management and extra points to someone better at it but everything else is pretty impressive so far
That two point conversion was stupid, I can't remember the last time I've seen someone other than him do that in the first half and he's done it unsuccessfully more than once. Stuff like that is a byproduct of dominating lower level schools when you can get away with that crap.
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Jesus, when this dude has a quarterback I'm not sure he'll ever lose. This might be the best, really bad football team in the history of the sport.
When do you think he will have a QB?
Is your memory mumped? You think we lose that game with Skylar?
we definitely win that game with Skylar. by more than 1 score. I give big kudos to the coaches for schemes that allow a roster of lower talent actually compete with rosters with SIGNIFICANTLY more talent. But they should be blamed for not making sure we had a backup QB ready that was not a true freshman. they take the blame for the QB situation. also, next year dont look any better. our better than adequate defense is going to lose the entire DL and all the LBs. We have no playmakers on offense. next year will probably look worse because now we won't have any defense to help protect an anemic offense. this is going to take years to improve because this staff is incapable of recruiting well enough to fix things in a hurry
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Lol at freaking out about having a freshman backup
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Lol at freaking out about having a freshman backup
Almost any sane person would be thrilled with a true freshman as a back up, but not kashi. OU, Alabama, Clemson all have freshman backups, I'm sure those coaches are lamenting the lack of talent at the position.
Never mind how rare it is to lose a starting QB for the season after 2.5 games.
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Kli has a 3 year mandate as far as I’m concerned. If we’re not at least on the cusp of a Big 12 title by then, we can reassess.
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If he loses to Iowa State, his ass is grass.
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Kli has a 3 year mandate as far as I’m concerned. If we’re not at least on the cusp of a Big 12 title by then, we can reassess.
He can stay as long as he wants IMO. This season is gravy.
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If he loses to Iowa State, his ass is grass.
We actually have the better QB so we should win
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If he loses to Iowa State, his ass is grass.
We actually have the better QB so we should win
NO EXCUSES CHRIS.
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Lol at freaking out about having a freshman backup
Almost any sane person would be thrilled with a true freshman as a back up, but not kashi. OU, Alabama, Clemson all have freshman backups, I'm sure those coaches are lamenting the lack of talent at the position.
Never mind how rare it is to lose a starting QB for the season after 2.5 games.
why would anyone want a true frosh as a backup? i can guarantee no coach wants to rely on a true frosh QB. other than Clemson or Bama and even those coaches would prefer not to. Most #1 QB recruits in america dont play as true freshmen. hard to believe Klieman had no one any better than Howard. but it is what it is. Another year with far less than ideal roster. will KSU ever have a truly competitive deep roster?
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I think all these things can be true:
1. Overall, Klieman’s a pretty good coach/program CEO
2. His end half time management skills & points chasing decisions are outlier bad for a good coach. Like a kid taking an assessment test getting 90th percentile in everything except in one subject they get an 18th percentile.
3. Will Howard is playing as a true freshman QB
4. It’s really hard to judge a true freshman QB
5. The number of wobbly balls he throws is concerning for a potential developmental P5 QB.
6. Skyler threw a much better ball when he was getting PT as a RSFR.
7. Given how Skyler has progressed over 3 years, I’m not sure Klein is the best QB skill developer.
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I think all these things can be true:
1. Overall, Klieman’s a pretty good coach/program CEO
2. His end half time management skills & points chasing decisions are outlier bad for a good coach. Like a kid taking an assessment test getting 90th percentile in everything except in one subject they get an 18th percentile.
3. Will Howard is playing as a true freshman QB
4. It’s really hard to judge a true freshman QB
5. The number of wobbly balls he throws is concerning for a potential developmental P5 QB.
6. Skyler threw a much better ball when he was getting PT as a RSFR.
7. Given how Skyler has progressed over 3 years, I’m not sure Klein is the best QB skill developer.
#7 is weird
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I think all these things can be true:
1. Overall, Klieman’s a pretty good coach/program CEO
2. His end half time management skills & points chasing decisions are outlier bad for a good coach. Like a kid taking an assessment test getting 90th percentile in everything except in one subject they get an 18th percentile.
3. Will Howard is playing as a true freshman QB
4. It’s really hard to judge a true freshman QB
5. The number of wobbly balls he throws is concerning for a potential developmental P5 QB.
6. Skyler threw a much better ball when he was getting PT as a RSFR.
7. Given how Skyler has progressed over 3 years, I’m not sure Klein is the best QB skill developer.
i think Skylar was a solid average QB. maybe a little below average in the B12. But the difference btw him and will howard is gigantic. Skylar is better in every single way. not shocking since howard is a freshman but i dont see any signs with howard that he will turn out to be a better passer or better runner than skylar. There are so many elite QBs out there most programs get at least one. Klieman pretty much struck out on many of his top recruits in the last class. It was not a good sign for recruiting in the future. I think the coaches are good Xs and Os. I'm not convinced that is good enough. I'd rather have the best recruiters. I know that doesn't guarantee anything but at least you have the talent and only have to teach them. with lesser talent you have to be perfect to win. and its hard to be perfect.
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I think all these things can be true:
1. Overall, Klieman’s a pretty good coach/program CEO
2. His end half time management skills & points chasing decisions are outlier bad for a good coach. Like a kid taking an assessment test getting 90th percentile in everything except in one subject they get an 18th percentile.
3. Will Howard is playing as a true freshman QB
4. It’s really hard to judge a true freshman QB
5. The number of wobbly balls he throws is concerning for a potential developmental P5 QB.
6. Skyler threw a much better ball when he was getting PT as a RSFR.
7. Given how Skyler has progressed over 3 years, I’m not sure Klein is the best QB skill developer.
#7 is weird
Yes that makes no sense. Also unless we find out later he Grant Gregoried his shoulder, we have enough evidence that Will has a noodle arm.
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We win yesterday's game, and possibly even against WVU if we still have Thompson under center. That's really all there is to this.
Klieman may end up not being the best recruiter, but we know he's a good coach. I'd rather have that than someone who brings in all kinds of talent but fails to win, like plenty of past BigXII coaches. This year has been a crapshoot anyways. I'm certainly willing to give him another two years before I start questioning anything.
My opinion is still not decided on Messingham though.
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His answer about the first 2-point conversion was as ridiculous as anything RP ever said, at least things said in a football coaching capacity.
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His answer about the first 2-point conversion was as ridiculous as anything RP ever said, at least things said in a football coaching capacity.
Good move qualifying that
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This thread has my interest.
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Not ready to bail yet, but keeping an eye on this thread.
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This thread is stupid. Only appropriate to bring it back late 2021 if necessary.
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This thread is stupid. Only appropriate to bring it back late 2021 if necessary.
Is winning stupid too?
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Losing at the half by 35 points to Iowa State is never excusable.
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This thread is stupid. Only appropriate to bring it back late 2021 if necessary.
Is winning stupid too?
You should be mad we traveled, not that we are losing. Kleiman didn’t make up the COVID rules. If you knew the facts leading up to this game you would know we should have never played it.
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His answer about the first 2-point conversion was as ridiculous as anything RP ever said, at least things said in a football coaching capacity.
I'm glad you qualified this with the part at the end, because no one in human history has said anything as insane as when Ron Prince said that "35 million people" would be watching K-State's game at Louisville on a Wednesday night.
Klieman appears to be Princing now, though.
--Starts off hot, beating OU first two years
--Gonna finish his second season 4-5 with no bowl (unless lifting requirements for Covid gets us a pity invite)
--d00ds transferring left and right
Need someone who can come in and calm the waters.
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The circumstances are obviously different, but the similarities are also undeniable.
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Personalities are very different between Klieman and Prince. Weird comparison.
Throw this season out the window due to COVID inconsistencies. LSU is 3-3 right now and almost 2-4. Super weird season all around. Only thing consistent is how awful KU is.
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Also worth noting that Prince and Kleiman aren't Snyder. Can't deny the similarities
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Is it impossible for anyone other than LHC Bill Snyder to go to two bowl games in a row at Kansas State?
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Is it impossible for anyone other than LHC Bill Snyder to go to two bowl games in a row at Kansas State?
We may never know
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Is it impossible for anyone other than LHC Bill Snyder to go to two bowl games in a row at Kansas State?
To be determined
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If you knew the facts leading up to this game you would know we should have never played it.
insisting on playing a game you know we're going to lose isn't the kstate way and proves the klinemann doesn't understand or respect our culture.
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Bill would have never allowed a team to travel and play a game that want an absolute slam dunk with all the possible outs that covid has allowed.
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Bill would have never allowed a team to travel and play a game that want an absolute slam dunk with all the possible outs that covid has allowed.
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Most truthful statement in this thread
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I can't take anyone seriously who compares Klieman to Prince. If you're doing this either your memory is terrible or you just need to get a grip, maybe read the Ron Prince stories thread. I am one who thinks the depths of the Prince Era continues greatly exaggerated too. By this point in year two every game was completely hopeless and we didn't have injuries and COVID to blame.
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Personalities are very different between Klieman and Prince. Weird comparison.
Throw this season out the window due to COVID inconsistencies. LSU is 3-3 right now and almost 2-4. Super weird season all around. Only thing consistent is how awful KU is.
Hell, has Penn St even won a game this year?
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I can't take anyone seriously who compares Klieman to Prince. If you're doing this either your memory is terrible or you just need to get a grip, maybe read the Ron Prince stories thread. I am one who thinks the depths of the Prince Era continues greatly exaggerated too. By this point in year two every game was completely hopeless and we didn't have injuries and COVID to blame.
I hate stats too. Objective numbers that can’t be denied are usually wrong.
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"We need to improve, get better and we can’t worry about things we can’t control. We got hammered with Covid the last two weeks and we can’t worry about that. I know it stinks for the guys when there’s a number of guys that can’t make the trip because they get pulled for Covid, but we’ve got to move on from that. That’s just the reality. That just is going to happen."
:lol:
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How do Kleiman and Snyder compare through two seasons
Statistically
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The mole was his nickname? I’d move to shaved ham mash potatoes face but that’s just me.
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SLTH?
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I can't take anyone seriously who compares Klieman to Prince. If you're doing this either your memory is terrible or you just need to get a grip, maybe read the Ron Prince stories thread. I am one who thinks the depths of the Prince Era continues greatly exaggerated too. By this point in year two every game was completely hopeless and we didn't have injuries and COVID to blame.
FWIW I waslike 77% tongu-in-cheek with my Prince comparo
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I can't take anyone seriously who compares Klieman to Prince. If you're doing this either your memory is terrible or you just need to get a grip, maybe read the Ron Prince stories thread. I am one who thinks the depths of the Prince Era continues greatly exaggerated too. By this point in year two every game was completely hopeless and we didn't have injuries and COVID to blame.
I hate stats too. Objective numbers that can’t be denied are usually wrong.
Stats or stat? The only statistical comparison I've seen is totally blind win/loss comparison that didn't even account for schedule strength? Let me know what else I'm missing.
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I can't take anyone seriously who compares Klieman to Prince. If you're doing this either your memory is terrible or you just need to get a grip, maybe read the Ron Prince stories thread. I am one who thinks the depths of the Prince Era continues greatly exaggerated too. By this point in year two every game was completely hopeless and we didn't have injuries and COVID to blame.
FWIW I waslike 77% tongu-in-cheek with my Prince comparo
I know.
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Is it impossible for anyone other than LHC Bill Snyder to go to two bowl games in a row at Kansas State?
We may never know
We're probably going to a bowl game whether we beat Baylor or not.
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Imagine being upset about anything sports related in a pandemic. Nope. Can't.
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I can't take anyone seriously who compares Klieman to Prince. If you're doing this either your memory is terrible or you just need to get a grip, maybe read the Ron Prince stories thread. I am one who thinks the depths of the Prince Era continues greatly exaggerated too. By this point in year two every game was completely hopeless and we didn't have injuries and COVID to blame.
I hate stats too. Objective numbers that can’t be denied are usually wrong.
Stats or stat? The only statistical comparison I've seen is totally blind win/loss comparison that didn't even account for schedule strength? Let me know what else I'm missing.
yes, winning, losing, recruiting. I was looking for stats on pounding the stone or other slogans but those are hard to find
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I can't take anyone seriously who compares Klieman to Prince. If you're doing this either your memory is terrible or you just need to get a grip, maybe read the Ron Prince stories thread. I am one who thinks the depths of the Prince Era continues greatly exaggerated too. By this point in year two every game was completely hopeless and we didn't have injuries and COVID to blame.
I hate stats too. Objective numbers that can’t be denied are usually wrong.
Stats or stat? The only statistical comparison I've seen is totally blind win/loss comparison that didn't even account for schedule strength? Let me know what else I'm missing.
yes, winning, losing, recruiting. I was looking for stats on pounding the stone or other slogans but those are hard to find
So we've covered that Klieman has a better won loss record, with a tougher schedule to this point. How do the recruiting classes compare?
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We missed out on 2 free wins due to the shortened season. Of course, we were given 1 free win and we lost that game. I like Klieman. I think he's better than Prince. I also didn't really want Prince fired until his third season.
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We missed out on 2 free wins due to the shortened season. Of course, we were given 1 free win and we lost that game. I like Klieman. I think he's better than Prince. I also didn't really want Prince fired until his third season.
We lost to arkansas state at home
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I am just saying we could pay less than $2.5 mm to absorb weekly ass kickings.
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I am just saying we could pay less than $2.5 mm to absorb weekly ass kickings.
I will be interested if Klieman makes staff moves, not necessarily after this year, but in future seasons. I know alot of coaches ride or die with the original staff unless they are threatened by higher powers.
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The Mole is very loyal
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The Mole is very loyal
So messingham will essentially be his undoing?
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I also didn't really want Prince fired until his third season.
Same, but at the end of year two, we all knew where it was going. Prince's second and third classes were disasters. The best player in his second class turned out to be Tysyn Hartman. He did land two very good juco players in his last class, Daniel Thomas and Brandon Banks, but Banks was one of those players with no P5 offers, and Thomas only had one good P5 offer, which I'm hearing we're now apparently too good for.
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The Mole is very loyal
So messingham will essentially be his undoing?
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And the rest of his shitty staff. Never wanted shavedhamfacemolemashedpotatoes to start with.
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Who did you want?
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(https://wvusports.com/images/2019/1/10/brown.jpg?width=300)
My fav :)
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(https://wvusports.com/images/2019/1/10/brown.jpg?width=300)
My fav :)
He's going to end up with the same conference record as Kli this season. And he didn't lose his QB!
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He is recruiting at a much higher level so I guess we will see
If he can translate that to more wins next year.
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(https://wvusports.com/images/2019/1/10/brown.jpg?width=300)
My fav :)
He's going to end up with the same conference record as Kli this season. And he didn't lose his QB!
TBD. He is 2-0 v. the Mole
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He is recruiting at a much higher level so I guess we will see
If he can translate that to more wins next year.
He's landed a few more four stars but isn't on another stratosphere like OU or Texas. The classes are close enough that depending on a couple busts and diamonds in the rough they could end up similar once they start playing.
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I'd rather have Klieman.
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I'd rather have Klieman.
Same
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Man we were all face down ass up for Seth Latrell, what a time.
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Man we were all face down ass up for Seth Latrell, what a time.
Squatted down, ass out.
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Man we were all face down ass up for Seth Latrell, what a time.
:nono:
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He is recruiting at a much higher level so I guess we will see
If he can translate that to more wins next year.
He's landed a few more four stars but isn't on another stratosphere like OU or Texas. The classes are close enough that depending on a couple busts and diamonds in the rough they could end up similar once they start playing.
true, but I think Brown brought in a better resume and P5 connections
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His last two classes will have a combined 18 players 5.7 or above compared to our 2. The gap in talent is huge. These are the players that turn into NFL players at a high percentage(Risner, Shelley, Elijah Lee, Wyatt Hubert etc etc)
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His last two classes will have a combined 18 players 5.7 or above compared to our 2. The gap in talent is huge. These are the players that turn into NFL players at a high percentage(Risner, Shelley, Elijah Lee, Wyatt Hubert etc etc)
I mean for 2021 they have 10 players 5.6 or above and we have 9. Maybe 5.7 is the perfect magic line though
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His last two classes will have a combined 18 players 5.7 or above compared to our 2. The gap in talent is huge. These are the players that turn into NFL players at a high percentage(Risner, Shelley, Elijah Lee, Wyatt Hubert etc etc)
I mean for 2021 they have 10 players 5.6 or above and we have 9. Maybe 5.7 is the perfect magic line though
It definitely is, 14/20 of the big 12’s draft picks last year were 5.7 or higher. It’s not to say you won’t get difference makers at 5.6 (hell Deuce was 5.5) but the 5.7 or higher line consistently is where the difference makers are and WVU has collected a crap ton of them.
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His last two classes will have a combined 18 players 5.7 or above compared to our 2. The gap in talent is huge. These are the players that turn into NFL players at a high percentage(Risner, Shelley, Elijah Lee, Wyatt Hubert etc etc)
I mean for 2021 they have 10 players 5.6 or above and we have 9. Maybe 5.7 is the perfect magic line though
It definitely is, 14/20 of the big 12’s draft picks last year were 5.7 or higher. It’s not to say you won’t get difference makers at 5.6 (hell Deuce was 5.5) but the 5.7 or higher line consistently is where the difference makers are and WVU has collected a crap ton of them.
I think Deuce is a great example of why WVU isn't necessarily on an entirely different level. It doesn't take a ton of 5.6 difference makers to cancel out the gap. Also the fact that Brown's 5.7's or above don't seem to be making an impact on a very average team. (Maybe some are, but not statistically. It could also be that Brown is holding them back for long term growth).
Also, I saw Seiler went to ODU with Rahne. Kind of an odd career move.
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I think we should probably watch the recruits play a game or two before deciding we aren't competing with West Virginia.
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I like klieman but i do think he could upgrade a couple assistant coaches for more dynamic recruiters. I would have loved to have gotten the young DL coach that NEB hired instead of the old one we hired.
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if herman gets canned maybe we can bring back andre coleman from howns down
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I think we should probably watch the recruits play a game or two before deciding we aren't competing with West Virginia.
0-2 is pretty good proof but 0-4 would certainly give us a better sample size.
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Is nobody concerned that we're going to turn over like a quarter of our roster to transfers this year? Seems bad. Way more concerned about that than sub-optimal recruiting.
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Will Jones pisses me off, to a lesser extent Tyrone Lewis does too. Outside of that our attrition doesn’t bother me at all.
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If I had to guess, a lot of Snyder guys/last second pick ups from CK's first class are using the extra elegability year to get out since things did not end up like they thought. Honestly, CK has succeeded much more than any of you ever thought he would. Most if you wanted Gene fired for making such a small timey hire. This year has just been one big cluster F and it is what it is. We'll move on, CK will continue to implement his system, and hopefully our assistants get better (or replaced with better).
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I think we should probably watch the recruits play a game or two before deciding we aren't competing with West Virginia.
0-2 is pretty good proof but 0-4 would certainly give us a better sample size.
7-10 (likely 7-11) vs 9-9 is far more meaningful
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I like klieman but i do think he could upgrade a couple assistant coaches for more dynamic recruiters. I would have loved to have gotten the young DL coach that NEB hired instead of the old one we hired.
Again with this crap, they've had one class man, one. Also just because someone is young does not mean they are a good recruiter. We also have two defensive line coaches, so who is the old one you're referring to and how has he done recruiting?
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I think we should probably watch the recruits play a game or two before deciding we aren't competing with West Virginia.
0-2 is pretty good proof but 0-4 would certainly give us a better sample size.
He punted half the first season saving eligibility for his QB but your point is fair, Klieman wins a few more if Sky remains healthy this year. I think WVU will be 2 games or so better than us next year in league play and likely maintain that advantage for as long as both coaches are here.
7-10 (likely 7-11) vs 9-9 is far more meaningful
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I think we should probably watch the recruits play a game or two before deciding we aren't competing with West Virginia.
0-2 is pretty good proof but 0-4 would certainly give us a better sample size.
7-10 (likely 7-11) vs 9-9 is far more meaningful
He punted half the first season saving eligibility for his QB but your point is fair, Klieman wins a few more if Sky remains healthy this year. I think WVU will be 2 games or so better than us next year in league play and likely maintain that advantage for as long as both coaches are here.
Doege will be a junior next year for the third consecutive year and will have played each year. He will have the opportunity to be a college quarterback who has started 6 years. That's wild.
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I think we should probably watch the recruits play a game or two before deciding we aren't competing with West Virginia.
0-2 is pretty good proof but 0-4 would certainly give us a better sample size.
7-10 (likely 7-11) vs 9-9 is far more meaningful
He punted half the first season saving eligibility for his QB but your point is fair, Klieman wins a few more if Sky remains healthy this year. I think WVU will be 2 games or so better than us next year in league play and likely maintain that advantage for as long as both coaches are here.
Doege will be a junior next year for the third consecutive year and will have played each year. He will have the opportunity to be a college quarterback who has started 6 years. That's wild.
Yea the QB’s in the league next year are going to be old balls