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Re: goEMAW SOURCES: WHAT WE KNOW, WHEN WE KNOW IT
« Reply #2150 on: December 11, 2018, 09:49:11 AM »
Have the full details on the contract been released yet? Any interesting small print?


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« Reply #2151 on: December 11, 2018, 10:09:19 AM »
I’m not going to have any reaction until I get a full breakdown from @jrake

if the leading candidates for the job were LittreLL, norvell, klieman, brown, wolford, leavitt, etc., then i will forever believe that gene made the best hire possible by selecting klieman. that doesn't mean i think klieman will succeed. i think it is more unlikely than likely that he will succeed. but keep in mind, i'm defining success by the set of standards that this bipolar, sociopathic fan base has set for the program - which in my view is to win 8 or 9 games every year, never go 6-6 or god forbid sub-.500, seriously compete for the league title every year, and make a CFB playoff run every five years. which simply isn't going to happen.

if i thought the k-state fan base would continue hating klieman into the start of the season, demanding his firing after every narrow victory against an FCS or CUSA school, then i would for sure root for the football team like i never have before (i've never rooted for a k-state sports team). but ya'll will come around. klieman will say "impressive!" things at the press conference, he'll sign a recruit that nobody thought k-state could get, he'll hire a coordinator with a brilliant track record at a directional michigan school, d scott will write a fluffy feature about the star of the spring game ("will this be the next keithen valentine!?!") and it will be Team Klieman all the way.

until he loses the big 12 opener.

to iowa state.

then you'll want him fired immediately, and you'll want him replaced with the hot new south alabama coach (!) who won eight games against a schedule that included georgia state, texas state, arkansas pine bluff, savannah state and wagner. "i think he could be really good guys!"

it's exhausting.

i root for your misery.

I am anywhere from 6-9 wins a year as long as we look good doing it.  Sub .500 where we are young or have a bunch of injuries I am OK with, but would argue that 6 wins should be possible.  Sub .500 where our team doesn't appear to have direction and is at an overall talent disadvantage I would have a problem with (AKA this year).  Playoffs?  Lets get real we would piss down our leg in the championship game on the very last play of the game to miss the CFP.  That is just the KSU way and as a long time fan am ready for that KITN.

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Re: goEMAW SOURCES: WHAT WE KNOW, WHEN WE KNOW IT
« Reply #2152 on: December 11, 2018, 10:11:52 AM »
I’m not going to have any reaction until I get a full breakdown from @jrake

if the leading candidates for the job were LittreLL, norvell, klieman, brown, wolford, leavitt, etc., then i will forever believe that gene made the best hire possible by selecting klieman. that doesn't mean i think klieman will succeed. i think it is more unlikely than likely that he will succeed. but keep in mind, i'm defining success by the set of standards that this bipolar, sociopathic fan base has set for the program - which in my view is to win 8 or 9 games every year, never go 6-6 or god forbid sub-.500, seriously compete for the league title every year, and make a CFB playoff run every five years. which simply isn't going to happen.

if i thought the k-state fan base would continue hating klieman into the start of the season, demanding his firing after every narrow victory against an FCS or CUSA school, then i would for sure root for the football team like i never have before (i've never rooted for a k-state sports team). but ya'll will come around. klieman will say "impressive!" things at the press conference, he'll sign a recruit that nobody thought k-state could get, he'll hire a coordinator with a brilliant track record at a directional michigan school, d scott will write a fluffy feature about the star of the spring game ("will this be the next keithen valentine!?!") and it will be Team Klieman all the way.

until he loses the big 12 opener.

to iowa state.

then you'll want him fired immediately, and you'll want him replaced with the hot new south alabama coach (!) who won eight games against a schedule that included georgia state, texas state, arkansas pine bluff, savannah state and wagner. "i think he could be really good guys!"

it's exhausting.

i root for your misery.

Nice try, but we always end the season with Farmageddon.

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Re: goEMAW SOURCES: WHAT WE KNOW, WHEN WE KNOW IT
« Reply #2153 on: December 11, 2018, 10:13:39 AM »
I’d be fine with the TCU model, like two down seasons squeaking into a bowl game followed by two up seasons knocking on the door to the playoff.

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Re: goEMAW SOURCES: WHAT WE KNOW, WHEN WE KNOW IT
« Reply #2154 on: December 11, 2018, 10:15:07 AM »
I’m not going to have any reaction until I get a full breakdown from @jrake

if the leading candidates for the job were LittreLL, norvell, klieman, brown, wolford, leavitt, etc., then i will forever believe that gene made the best hire possible by selecting klieman. that doesn't mean i think klieman will succeed. i think it is more unlikely than likely that he will succeed. but keep in mind, i'm defining success by the set of standards that this bipolar, sociopathic fan base has set for the program - which in my view is to win 8 or 9 games every year, never go 6-6 or god forbid sub-.500, seriously compete for the league title every year, and make a CFB playoff run every five years. which simply isn't going to happen.

if i thought the k-state fan base would continue hating klieman into the start of the season, demanding his firing after every narrow victory against an FCS or CUSA school, then i would for sure root for the football team like i never have before (i've never rooted for a k-state sports team). but ya'll will come around. klieman will say "impressive!" things at the press conference, he'll sign a recruit that nobody thought k-state could get, he'll hire a coordinator with a brilliant track record at a directional michigan school, d scott will write a fluffy feature about the star of the spring game ("will this be the next keithen valentine!?!") and it will be Team Klieman all the way.

until he loses the big 12 opener.

to iowa state.

then you'll want him fired immediately, and you'll want him replaced with the hot new south alabama coach (!) who won eight games against a schedule that included georgia state, texas state, arkansas pine bluff, savannah state and wagner. "i think he could be really good guys!"

it's exhausting.

i root for your misery.

Nice try, but we always end the season with Farmageddon.

Not when we played them in Arrowhead.
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Re: goEMAW SOURCES: WHAT WE KNOW, WHEN WE KNOW IT
« Reply #2155 on: December 11, 2018, 10:18:37 AM »
I’d be fine with the TCU model, like two down seasons squeaking into a bowl game followed by two up seasons knocking on the door to the playoff.

yeah. Okie State has kinda been like this too.

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« Reply #2156 on: December 11, 2018, 10:19:13 AM »
We already have an annual 5-7 with an outside shot at 7-5 coach in oscar weber and he's never going to go anywhere  :frown:
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Re: goEMAW SOURCES: WHAT WE KNOW, WHEN WE KNOW IT
« Reply #2157 on: December 11, 2018, 10:19:47 AM »
I am more than willing to see what this guy can do here, but make no mistake about it.......this coaching search has been a complete cluster eff and Gene is a huge dork.......only Klieman can save him now.

Lock this failure of a thread.

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What part of the search was a cluster? The fans' conjecture and straw grasping?

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« Reply #2158 on: December 11, 2018, 10:20:24 AM »
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Re: goEMAW SOURCES: WHAT WE KNOW, WHEN WE KNOW IT
« Reply #2159 on: December 11, 2018, 10:22:06 AM »
I’d be fine with the TCU model, like two down seasons squeaking into a bowl game followed by two up seasons knocking on the door to the playoff.

yeah. Okie State has kinda been like this too.

this model only works when you have a coach who doesn't live year-to-year on the hot seat.

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« Reply #2160 on: December 11, 2018, 10:25:40 AM »
I'm glad we didn't let the old man get away with nepotism.  I'm so much a bigger fan of good ol'  fashioned cronyism!!  And does this hire mean we'll get a home and home with Pitt State?  THAT is a rivalry I have always kinda wanted..  Also his recruiting has been mentioned some and I'm certain he'll be able to pull out that 4* gem from the Badlands every third year so that's very exciting! Hail State!
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Re: goEMAW SOURCES: WHAT WE KNOW, WHEN WE KNOW IT
« Reply #2161 on: December 11, 2018, 10:25:52 AM »
I’d be fine with the TCU model, like two down seasons squeaking into a bowl game followed by two up seasons knocking on the door to the playoff.

yeah. Okie State has kinda been like this too.

this model only works when you have a coach who doesn't live year-to-year on the hot seat.

yep. And Gundy's actually been way more successful than I'd pictured. He's won 10 games 3 straight seasons and 6 of 8 before this one.

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Re: goEMAW SOURCES: WHAT WE KNOW, WHEN WE KNOW IT
« Reply #2162 on: December 11, 2018, 10:27:20 AM »
I am more than willing to see what this guy can do here, but make no mistake about it.......this coaching search has been a complete cluster eff and Gene is a huge dork.......only Klieman can save him now.

Lock this failure of a thread.

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What part of the search was a cluster? The fans' conjecture and straw grasping?

We paid a search firm for assistance in finding a head coach only to hire the AD's buddy.

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Re: goEMAW SOURCES: WHAT WE KNOW, WHEN WE KNOW IT
« Reply #2163 on: December 11, 2018, 10:29:19 AM »
I’d be fine with the TCU model, like two down seasons squeaking into a bowl game followed by two up seasons knocking on the door to the playoff.

yeah. Okie State has kinda been like this too.

this model only works when you have a coach who doesn't live year-to-year on the hot seat.

yep. And Gundy's actually been way more successful than I'd pictured. He's won 10 games 3 straight seasons and 6 of 8 before this one.

Was gonna say that. Gundy wins a lot.
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« Reply #2164 on: December 11, 2018, 10:30:59 AM »
One of the reasons I got excited about LittreLL is because it seemed like he could be a Mike Gundy type.  Successful P5 OC turned HC.  Young, good recruiter. It seemed like he had a chance to be Gundy-esque.

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« Reply #2165 on: December 11, 2018, 11:01:59 AM »
I am more than willing to see what this guy can do here, but make no mistake about it.......this coaching search has been a complete cluster eff and Gene is a huge dork.......only Klieman can save him now.

Lock this failure of a thread.

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What part of the search was a cluster? The fans' conjecture and straw grasping?

We paid a search firm for assistance in finding a head coach only to hire the AD's buddy.
apparently so. there is just too much going on here to not believe that others didn't walk away from us. the whole thing is unbelievable. I hope he succeeds.
without some new recruiters i don't see how he can.
the ksu recruiters are not very good. his recruiters are not very good. the only thing that makes this work is if he makes a couple NEW hires that catapults recruiting. and i don't see that happening

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« Reply #2166 on: December 11, 2018, 11:02:26 AM »


One of the reasons I got excited about LittreLL is because it seemed like he could be a Mike Gundy type.  Successful P5 OC turned HC.  Young, good recruiter. It seemed like he had a chance to be Gundy-esque.

Was he a "successful" OC? But yes he seemed like he could be a good recruiter.

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« Reply #2167 on: December 11, 2018, 11:12:33 AM »
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« Reply #2168 on: December 11, 2018, 11:16:29 AM »


One of the reasons I got excited about LittreLL is because it seemed like he could be a Mike Gundy type.  Successful P5 OC turned HC.  Young, good recruiter. It seemed like he had a chance to be Gundy-esque.

Was he a "successful" OC? But yes he seemed like he could be a good recruiter.

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« Reply #2169 on: December 11, 2018, 06:39:41 PM »
chris klieman is the first ever coach to go from FCS to FBS and take over a lesser team.

gotta feel for the guy. this program totally sucks.

we truly are not worthy