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Neal Brown is our best option at this point isn’t he.
Brown, Novell, LittreLLAll check same amount of boxes
Quote from: POWL on December 08, 2018, 09:41:53 PMQuote from: michigancat on December 08, 2018, 09:30:03 PMQuote from: POWL on December 08, 2018, 09:23:28 PMTo be clear, I believe he can coach....but he sure as hell can't recruit......with a roster devoid of talent, this is a big long term problem, which, if played out, will lead to a bottom feeder team looking for a miracle........again He has clearly outrecruited his peers, as well as programs a level or two above him.https://trib.com/news/local/why-are-football-recruits-choosing-north-dakota-state-over-wyoming/article_beb04429-3206-5e12-bcb4-b659f8929412.htmlso your argument is that he can out recruit Wyoming in Big Sky country?...do you realize the level of athlete it takes to compete with OU and Texas? ...Jesus rough ridin' Christ I don't expect any coach at KSU to outrecruit Texas or Oklahoma, I expect him to compete for recruits with Oklahoma State and Iowa State and West Virginia
Quote from: michigancat on December 08, 2018, 09:30:03 PMQuote from: POWL on December 08, 2018, 09:23:28 PMTo be clear, I believe he can coach....but he sure as hell can't recruit......with a roster devoid of talent, this is a big long term problem, which, if played out, will lead to a bottom feeder team looking for a miracle........again He has clearly outrecruited his peers, as well as programs a level or two above him.https://trib.com/news/local/why-are-football-recruits-choosing-north-dakota-state-over-wyoming/article_beb04429-3206-5e12-bcb4-b659f8929412.htmlso your argument is that he can out recruit Wyoming in Big Sky country?...do you realize the level of athlete it takes to compete with OU and Texas? ...Jesus rough ridin' Christ
Quote from: POWL on December 08, 2018, 09:23:28 PMTo be clear, I believe he can coach....but he sure as hell can't recruit......with a roster devoid of talent, this is a big long term problem, which, if played out, will lead to a bottom feeder team looking for a miracle........again He has clearly outrecruited his peers, as well as programs a level or two above him.https://trib.com/news/local/why-are-football-recruits-choosing-north-dakota-state-over-wyoming/article_beb04429-3206-5e12-bcb4-b659f8929412.html
To be clear, I believe he can coach....but he sure as hell can't recruit......with a roster devoid of talent, this is a big long term problem, which, if played out, will lead to a bottom feeder team looking for a miracle........again
Quote from: michigancat on December 08, 2018, 09:43:50 PMQuote from: POWL on December 08, 2018, 09:41:53 PMQuote from: michigancat on December 08, 2018, 09:30:03 PMQuote from: POWL on December 08, 2018, 09:23:28 PMTo be clear, I believe he can coach....but he sure as hell can't recruit......with a roster devoid of talent, this is a big long term problem, which, if played out, will lead to a bottom feeder team looking for a miracle........again He has clearly outrecruited his peers, as well as programs a level or two above him.https://trib.com/news/local/why-are-football-recruits-choosing-north-dakota-state-over-wyoming/article_beb04429-3206-5e12-bcb4-b659f8929412.htmlso your argument is that he can out recruit Wyoming in Big Sky country?...do you realize the level of athlete it takes to compete with OU and Texas? ...Jesus rough ridin' Christ I don't expect any coach at KSU to outrecruit Texas or Oklahoma, I expect him to compete for recruits with Oklahoma State and Iowa State and West Virginiawell CK never has come close to those schools....so your plan is to come to the middle of Kansas and win with 2 star athletes from here to Canada?.....so 27 years later of winning in the Big 8/12 and fan + sonar investments well over a Billion dollars, you are asking the collective we to Believe in magic?
Quote from: POWL on December 08, 2018, 10:05:17 PMQuote from: michigancat on December 08, 2018, 09:43:50 PMQuote from: POWL on December 08, 2018, 09:41:53 PMQuote from: michigancat on December 08, 2018, 09:30:03 PMQuote from: POWL on December 08, 2018, 09:23:28 PMTo be clear, I believe he can coach....but he sure as hell can't recruit......with a roster devoid of talent, this is a big long term problem, which, if played out, will lead to a bottom feeder team looking for a miracle........again He has clearly outrecruited his peers, as well as programs a level or two above him.https://trib.com/news/local/why-are-football-recruits-choosing-north-dakota-state-over-wyoming/article_beb04429-3206-5e12-bcb4-b659f8929412.htmlso your argument is that he can out recruit Wyoming in Big Sky country?...do you realize the level of athlete it takes to compete with OU and Texas? ...Jesus rough ridin' Christ I don't expect any coach at KSU to outrecruit Texas or Oklahoma, I expect him to compete for recruits with Oklahoma State and Iowa State and West Virginiawell CK never has come close to those schools....so your plan is to come to the middle of Kansas and win with 2 star athletes from here to Canada?.....so 27 years later of winning in the Big 8/12 and fan + sonar investments well over a Billion dollars, you are asking the collective we to Believe in magic?Those schools aren't his peers now. He has recruited well against his peers. Do you think it takes magic to go from recruiting 2 and 3 stars to recruiting 3 and 4 stars? Do you think a sales pitch to a kid from Minnesota is significant different than a salad pitch to a kid from Oklahoma.
I mean, what the eff is going on? Seriously. I may be drinks down but rough ridin' crap, so do we know anything? Obviously we know Pete was wrong, and the credibility of this site has forever been tainted. OTHER THAN that, do we know anything?
Quote from: Cat from DC on December 08, 2018, 10:11:44 PMI mean, what the eff is going on? Seriously. I may be drinks down but rough ridin' crap, so do we know anything? Obviously we know Pete was wrong, and the credibility of this site has forever been tainted. OTHER THAN that, do we know anything?Lol wut
Quote from: michigancat on December 08, 2018, 10:09:30 PMQuote from: POWL on December 08, 2018, 10:05:17 PMQuote from: michigancat on December 08, 2018, 09:43:50 PMQuote from: POWL on December 08, 2018, 09:41:53 PMQuote from: michigancat on December 08, 2018, 09:30:03 PMQuote from: POWL on December 08, 2018, 09:23:28 PMTo be clear, I believe he can coach....but he sure as hell can't recruit......with a roster devoid of talent, this is a big long term problem, which, if played out, will lead to a bottom feeder team looking for a miracle........again He has clearly outrecruited his peers, as well as programs a level or two above him.https://trib.com/news/local/why-are-football-recruits-choosing-north-dakota-state-over-wyoming/article_beb04429-3206-5e12-bcb4-b659f8929412.htmlso your argument is that he can out recruit Wyoming in Big Sky country?...do you realize the level of athlete it takes to compete with OU and Texas? ...Jesus rough ridin' Christ I don't expect any coach at KSU to outrecruit Texas or Oklahoma, I expect him to compete for recruits with Oklahoma State and Iowa State and West Virginiawell CK never has come close to those schools....so your plan is to come to the middle of Kansas and win with 2 star athletes from here to Canada?.....so 27 years later of winning in the Big 8/12 and fan + sonar investments well over a Billion dollars, you are asking the collective we to Believe in magic?Those schools aren't his peers now. He has recruited well against his peers. Do you think it takes magic to go from recruiting 2 and 3 stars to recruiting 3 and 4 stars? Do you think a sales pitch to a kid from Minnesota is significant different than a salad pitch to a kid from Oklahoma.i think trying to sell a kid who has few, if any, P5 offers to choose the best FCS program in america instead of some other FCS program is pretty easy.it is not even remotely similar to selling a kid to go to KSU instead of TCU, Tech, missouri, ISU, or OU.you see CK has never recruited the kids he will need to be able to recruit to ksu.
Pete says Snyder will retire and he does, Pete says Litrell is our guy and he is. What exactly am I missing here? I mean I’m not sure what exactly he was wrong about other than failing to foresee gene balking at 1.2 million dollar graham. Which it sounds like came out of left field.
i'm in the "what's it matter, it's a crapshoot anyway" stage of this coaching search.
NDSU has kids currently on team that have turned down offers from:IowaMissouriPurdue MinnesotaBoise State.Klieman can recruit, he has a system that is successful and would work at Kansas State.
Quote from: lakesbison on December 08, 2018, 10:42:16 PMNDSU has kids currently on team that have turned down offers from:IowaMissouriPurdue MinnesotaBoise State.Klieman can recruit, he has a system that is successful and would work at Kansas State.There’s almost nothing on your roster that indicates he recruits in our critical success areas for P5 programs. He’s getting Big 10 scraps in the Northern Plains areas. That won’t cut it.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Don’t be silly. Those all HAD recruited across the Arizona to Florida corridor in the past. They had the network structure to rekindle and invigorate. Klieman doesn’t. It’s big Big 10 and northern plains.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Were any of the people we’re talking to under consideration for any of these jobs?https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-coaching-changes-carousel-tracker-grades-breakdowns-for-new-2018-19-hires/
Quote from: lakesbison on December 08, 2018, 10:42:16 PMNDSU has kids currently on team that have turned down offers from:IowaMissouriPurdue MinnesotaBoise State.Klieman can recruit, he has a system that is successful and would work at Kansas State.his team would finish near the bottom of the B12. most of his players would not get a scholarship in the B12. he doesn't recruit in the homes he needs to