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Re: Building a Mosque near ground zero
« Reply #175 on: August 18, 2010, 05:31:32 PM »
Cordoba!  The Alcazar is the most beautiful spot on earth.   :love:


Remember the video of the dancing in the streets all over the Middle East on 9/11? Maybe you were too young to remember.


Yeah, I don't remember that.  There's some disputed footage of Palestinians celebrating, but other than that...   :dunno:

http://iir.internetactivist.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_September_11_attacks#Islamic_world

I'm not going to judge all of Islam by a few yahoos, just like I hope like heck I'm not judged by the U.S.'s worst racists and xenophobes.
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Re: Building a Mosque near ground zero
« Reply #176 on: August 18, 2010, 05:35:56 PM »
It's just so disappointing that so many voters in a state a liberal as New York are unbridled bigots.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/18/2010-08-18_63_oppose_ground_zero_mosque_27_support_construction_according_to_new_siena_poll.html

When are these liberals going to wake up and get edgumacated.  :nono:

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Re: Building a Mosque near ground zero
« Reply #177 on: August 18, 2010, 05:41:07 PM »
I think it is more sacred to the muslims than anybody else.

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Doug, you took the time to look for and post a diagram illustrating how the proposed site was hit with landing gear thus qualifying it as sanctified ground. You've been claiming this in the whole thread.

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You have missed the entire point.

The site is a symbol of victory for many muslims, and they want to build a memorial and a place to worship their good fortune, just as they did at the original Cordoba. Remember the video of the dancing in the streets all over the Middle East on 9/11? Maybe you were too young to remember.

I have never stated that any ground was sacred, except to muslims.



Really? I most have missed where Homeland Security had heard repeated chatter amongst the radicals that they must claim this oh-so-holy of spots where Allah sent the sacred rubber tire hurling into the roof. I'm almost hesitant to mention the word "landing gear" for fear I'm going to offend the extremists.

You have already made the assumption in your mind that the persons behind this mosque are undoubtedly a group of radicals? I'm wondering what evidence you have of this? It seems that you can only point to the recently revealed sanctity of this building. Anything else?

Also, do you mind kindly going back to that diagram you posted showing where other debris landed. Was it also blessed by Allah? If it was will you go back and make sure there isn't a Halal truck on the corner where the engine landed or a Indian restaurant on the ground floor? Thanks. I live in New York and need to let my friends who work and live down there to stare through the windows to see what's going on.

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Re: Building a Mosque near ground zero
« Reply #178 on: August 18, 2010, 06:02:20 PM »
Cordoba!  The Alcazar is the most beautiful spot on earth.   :love:


Remember the video of the dancing in the streets all over the Middle East on 9/11? Maybe you were too young to remember.


Yeah, I don't remember that.  There's some disputed footage of Palestinians celebrating, but other than that...   :dunno:

http://iir.internetactivist.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_September_11_attacks#Islamic_world

I'm not going to judge all of Islam by a few yahoos, just like I hope like heck I'm not judged by the U.S.'s worst racists and xenophobes.

And John Doug...here you go stupid f_ck


- The terrorist act was strongly condemned by every single Palestinian organization including Fatah, the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Hamas, Workers Unions and Committees, Human Right organizations (AlHaq, Law, Palestine Center for Human Rights), student associations, municipalities, mosques and churches, etc.

- The US Consul General in Jerusalem reported that he has received a huge stack of faxes from Palestinians and Palestinian organizations expressing condolences, grief and solidarity. He himself was pained to see that the media chose to focus on the sensational images of a few Palestinians rejoicing.

- The Palestine Legislative Council condemned the terrorist attack on the United States and sent an urgent letter of condolences to Mr. J Dennis Hasterd, Speaker of the House of Representatives.

- Palestinians in East Jerusalem held a candle-light vigils on 12 and 14 September to express their grief and solidarity with the American families struck by this tragedy. Mr. Abdel Qader Al-Husseini, son of the late Palestinian leader Faisal Al-Husseini led one of the vigils.

- Jerusalem University students, along with the President of the University and the Deans of the various Faculties, began a blood donation drive in East Jerusalem. Students and professors went to hospitals in order to donate blood for the American victims who need it.

- The 1 million Palestinian students in the Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, stood five minutes in silence to express their solidarity with the hundreds of American children who have been struck by this strategy, which resembles in its shocking effects their daily sufferings. (see image to the right)

-In Iran, Tehran's main soccer stadium observed an unprecedented minute's silence in sympathy with the victims.

-Iran's Ayatollah Imami Kashani spoke of a catastrophic act of terrorism which could only be condemned by all Muslims, adding the whole world should mobilise against terrorism.


‘Abdulaziz bin ‘Abdallah Al-Ashaykh, chief mufti of Saudi Arabia:

“Firstly: the recent developments in the United States including hijacking planes, terrorizing innocent people and shedding blood, constitute a form of injustice that cannot be tolerated by Islam, which views them as gross crimes and sinful acts. Secondly: any Muslim who is aware of the teachings of his religion and who adheres to the directives of the Holy Qur'an and the sunnah (the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad) will never involve himself in such acts, because they will invoke the anger of God Almighty and lead to harm and corruption on earth.”
Statement of September 15, 2001, http://saudiembassy.net/press_release/01-spa/09-15-Islam.htm

Shaykh Muhammed Sayyid al-Tantawi, imam of al-Azhar mosque in Cairo, Egypt:

“Attacking innocent people is not courageous, it is stupid and will be punished on the day of judgement. ... It’s not courageous to attack innocent children, women and civilians. It is courageous to protect freedom, it is courageous to defend oneself and not to attack.”
Agence France Presse, September 14, 2001

President Muhammad Khatami of Iran:

“[T]he September 11 terrorist blasts in America can only be the job of a group that have voluntarily severed their own ears and tongues, so that the only language with which they could communicate would be destroying and spreading death.”
Address to the United Nations General Assembly, November 9, 2001, http://www.president.ir/cronicnews/1380/8008/800818/800818.htm#b3

Organization of the Islamic Conference of Foreign Ministers:

“The Conference strongly condemned the brutal terror acts that befell the United States, caused huge losses in human lives from various nationalities and wreaked tremendous destruction and damage in New York and Washington. It further reaffirmed that these terror acts ran counter to the teachings of the divine religions as well as ethical and human values, stressed the necessity of tracking down the perpetrators of these acts in the light of the results of investigations and bringing them to justice to inflict on them the penalty they deserve, and underscored its support of this effort. In this respect, the Conference expressed its condolences to and sympathy with the people and government of the United States and the families of the victims in these mournful and tragic circumstances.”
Final Communique  of the Ninth Extraordinary Session of the Islamic Conference of Foreign Ministers, October 10, 2001, http://www.oic-oci.org/english/fm/All%20Download/frmex9.htm

57 leaders of North American Islamic organizations, 77 intellectuals, and dozens of concerned citizens:
“As American Muslims and scholars of Islam, we wish to restate our conviction that peace and justice constitute the basic principles of the Muslim faith.  We wish again to state unequivocally that neither the al-Qaeda organization nor Usama bin Laden represents Islam or reflects Muslim beliefs and practice. Rather, groups like al-Qaeda have misused and abused Islam in order to fit their own radical and indeed anti-Islamic agenda.  Usama bin Laden and al-Qaeda's actions are criminal, misguided and counter to the true teachings of Islam.”
Statement Rejecting Terrorism, September 9, 2002, http://www.islam-democracy.org/terrorism_statement.asp


"Dancing in the streets" eh John?

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Re: Building a Mosque near ground zero
« Reply #179 on: August 18, 2010, 06:32:20 PM »
Cordoba!  The Alcazar is the most beautiful spot on earth.   :love:


Remember the video of the dancing in the streets all over the Middle East on 9/11? Maybe you were too young to remember.


Yeah, I don't remember that.  There's some disputed footage of Palestinians celebrating, but other than that...   :dunno:

http://iir.internetactivist.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_September_11_attacks#Islamic_world

I'm not going to judge all of Islam by a few yahoos, just like I hope like heck I'm not judged by the U.S.'s worst racists and xenophobes.

And John Doug...here you go stupid f_ck


- The terrorist act was strongly condemned by every single Palestinian organization including Fatah, the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Hamas, Workers Unions and Committees, Human Right organizations (AlHaq, Law, Palestine Center for Human Rights), student associations, municipalities, mosques and churches, etc.

- The US Consul General in Jerusalem reported that he has received a huge stack of faxes from Palestinians and Palestinian organizations expressing condolences, grief and solidarity. He himself was pained to see that the media chose to focus on the sensational images of a few Palestinians rejoicing.

- The Palestine Legislative Council condemned the terrorist attack on the United States and sent an urgent letter of condolences to Mr. J Dennis Hasterd, Speaker of the House of Representatives.

- Palestinians in East Jerusalem held a candle-light vigils on 12 and 14 September to express their grief and solidarity with the American families struck by this tragedy. Mr. Abdel Qader Al-Husseini, son of the late Palestinian leader Faisal Al-Husseini led one of the vigils.

- Jerusalem University students, along with the President of the University and the Deans of the various Faculties, began a blood donation drive in East Jerusalem. Students and professors went to hospitals in order to donate blood for the American victims who need it.

- The 1 million Palestinian students in the Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, stood five minutes in silence to express their solidarity with the hundreds of American children who have been struck by this strategy, which resembles in its shocking effects their daily sufferings. (see image to the right)

-In Iran, Tehran's main soccer stadium observed an unprecedented minute's silence in sympathy with the victims.

-Iran's Ayatollah Imami Kashani spoke of a catastrophic act of terrorism which could only be condemned by all Muslims, adding the whole world should mobilise against terrorism.


‘Abdulaziz bin ‘Abdallah Al-Ashaykh, chief mufti of Saudi Arabia:

“Firstly: the recent developments in the United States including hijacking planes, terrorizing innocent people and shedding blood, constitute a form of injustice that cannot be tolerated by Islam, which views them as gross crimes and sinful acts. Secondly: any Muslim who is aware of the teachings of his religion and who adheres to the directives of the Holy Qur'an and the sunnah (the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad) will never involve himself in such acts, because they will invoke the anger of God Almighty and lead to harm and corruption on earth.”
Statement of September 15, 2001, http://saudiembassy.net/press_release/01-spa/09-15-Islam.htm

Shaykh Muhammed Sayyid al-Tantawi, imam of al-Azhar mosque in Cairo, Egypt:

“Attacking innocent people is not courageous, it is stupid and will be punished on the day of judgement. ... It’s not courageous to attack innocent children, women and civilians. It is courageous to protect freedom, it is courageous to defend oneself and not to attack.”
Agence France Presse, September 14, 2001

President Muhammad Khatami of Iran:

“[T]he September 11 terrorist blasts in America can only be the job of a group that have voluntarily severed their own ears and tongues, so that the only language with which they could communicate would be destroying and spreading death.”
Address to the United Nations General Assembly, November 9, 2001, http://www.president.ir/cronicnews/1380/8008/800818/800818.htm#b3

Organization of the Islamic Conference of Foreign Ministers:

“The Conference strongly condemned the brutal terror acts that befell the United States, caused huge losses in human lives from various nationalities and wreaked tremendous destruction and damage in New York and Washington. It further reaffirmed that these terror acts ran counter to the teachings of the divine religions as well as ethical and human values, stressed the necessity of tracking down the perpetrators of these acts in the light of the results of investigations and bringing them to justice to inflict on them the penalty they deserve, and underscored its support of this effort. In this respect, the Conference expressed its condolences to and sympathy with the people and government of the United States and the families of the victims in these mournful and tragic circumstances.”
Final Communique  of the Ninth Extraordinary Session of the Islamic Conference of Foreign Ministers, October 10, 2001, http://www.oic-oci.org/english/fm/All%20Download/frmex9.htm

57 leaders of North American Islamic organizations, 77 intellectuals, and dozens of concerned citizens:
“As American Muslims and scholars of Islam, we wish to restate our conviction that peace and justice constitute the basic principles of the Muslim faith.  We wish again to state unequivocally that neither the al-Qaeda organization nor Usama bin Laden represents Islam or reflects Muslim beliefs and practice. Rather, groups like al-Qaeda have misused and abused Islam in order to fit their own radical and indeed anti-Islamic agenda.  Usama bin Laden and al-Qaeda's actions are criminal, misguided and counter to the true teachings of Islam.”
Statement Rejecting Terrorism, September 9, 2002, http://www.islam-democracy.org/terrorism_statement.asp


"Dancing in the streets" eh John?

Would you consider Hamas a terrorist organization? How about The Muslim Brotherhood?

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Re: Building a Mosque near ground zero
« Reply #180 on: August 18, 2010, 06:45:48 PM »
It's just so disappointing that so many voters in a state a liberal as New York are unbridled bigots.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/18/2010-08-18_63_oppose_ground_zero_mosque_27_support_construction_according_to_new_siena_poll.html

When are these liberals going to wake up and get edgumacated.  :nono:

In regard to civil rights issues such as this one, popularity is irrelevant. I'm sure if you took a poll of Americans in 1960, "separate but equal" would have had similar support.

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Re: Building a Mosque near ground zero
« Reply #181 on: August 18, 2010, 06:53:36 PM »
It's just so disappointing that so many voters in a state a liberal as New York are unbridled bigots.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/18/2010-08-18_63_oppose_ground_zero_mosque_27_support_construction_according_to_new_siena_poll.html

When are these liberals going to wake up and get edgumacated.  :nono:

In regard to civil rights issues such as this one, popularity is irrelevant. I'm sure if you took a poll of Americans in 1960, "separate but equal" would have had similar support.

QFT. In the 1960's a majority of Californians (similar liberal lean' to NY) voted to change the constitution to say that you could discriminate on the basis of race in the sale of your home. The United States supreme court struck that down.

We have a long history of being bigoted. We aren't now though, of course.

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Re: Building a Mosque near ground zero
« Reply #182 on: August 18, 2010, 06:57:44 PM »
Nobody is calling it "sacred ground" you f*cking flop knob.  What the f*ck does that even mean?  I understand its the premise of your argument, but seriously your arguing with nobody.

You dumb rough ridin' hayseed, your whole line of reasoning for being against this is either that you think it's "too close" to the 9/11 site, or you're a bigoted bad person who's afraid of anybody that isn't white.

Which is it?

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Re: Building a Mosque near ground zero
« Reply #183 on: August 18, 2010, 07:01:44 PM »
Nobody is calling it "sacred ground" you f*cking flop knob.  What the f*ck does that even mean?  I understand its the premise of your argument, but seriously your arguing with nobody.

You dumb fracking hayseed, your whole line of reasoning for being against this is either that you think it's "too close" to the 9/11 site, or you're a bigoted bad person who's afraid of anybody that isn't white.

Which is it?

Beware of Allah's 'landing gear' argument.

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Re: Building a Mosque near ground zero
« Reply #185 on: August 18, 2010, 09:43:40 PM »
"Help me, George W Bush.  You're my only hope."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Mosque-supporters-beg-George-W-Bush-to-come-to-Obamas-rescue-100977179.html



So when it doesn't work out, he can blame Bush.  Why take the extra step, though? 

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« Reply #186 on: August 18, 2010, 10:26:31 PM »
when what doesn't work? 


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« Reply #187 on: August 18, 2010, 10:33:09 PM »
No, Bush was always very friendly toward Muslims.  Friendlier than Obama.  You guys could use that as one of your talking points against Obama if you weren't so hung up on the crazy conspiracy theories. 

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« Reply #188 on: August 18, 2010, 10:41:08 PM »
In fairness, a lot of those statements were made in hopes of not waking up to the 101st Airborne at the door.  They knew the hammer was coming at a nail.  Iran and Palestine were hoping they weren't the nail.

Either way, they will and should be allowed to build it.  That's life in a free country.  Recongize the overwheming benefits as opposed to the alternative.

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Re: Building a Mosque near ground zero
« Reply #189 on: August 18, 2010, 10:47:25 PM »


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Re: Building a Mosque near ground zero
« Reply #190 on: August 18, 2010, 10:48:02 PM »
It's just so disappointing that so many voters in a state a liberal as New York are unbridled bigots.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/18/2010-08-18_63_oppose_ground_zero_mosque_27_support_construction_according_to_new_siena_poll.html

When are these liberals going to wake up and get edgumacated.  :nono:

In regard to civil rights issues such as this one, popularity is irrelevant. I'm sure if you took a poll of Americans in 1960, "separate but equal" would have had similar support.

QFT. In the 1960's a majority of Californians (similar liberal lean' to NY) voted to change the constitution to say that you could discriminate on the basis of race in the sale of your home. The United States supreme court struck that down.

We have a long history of being bigoted. We aren't now though, of course.

I assume by "we" you mean liberals.  I agree
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Re: Building a Mosque near ground zero
« Reply #191 on: August 18, 2010, 10:49:04 PM »
Nobody is calling it "sacred ground" you f*cking flop knob.  What the f*ck does that even mean?  I understand its the premise of your argument, but seriously your arguing with nobody.

You dumb fracking hayseed, your whole line of reasoning for being against this is either that you think it's "too close" to the 9/11 site, or you're a bigoted bad person who's afraid of anybody that isn't white.

Which is it?

WTF?  Are you Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) or something?

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« Reply #192 on: August 18, 2010, 11:38:39 PM »
 couldn't NYC just find them a place away from ground zero that they could build the mosque instead (lower the price of the area of land or work out a deal with a contractor to build it cheaper to give the Muslims a reason to go for the deal).  i mean as is, even if passed you still have the problem of finding a contractor to build it

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Re: Building a Mosque near ground zero
« Reply #193 on: August 19, 2010, 01:13:08 AM »
Coming from the son of an immigrant, (did that surprise anyone?) I am all for every citizen in this country having equal rights.  Sometimes it sucks for others, but you still have the same rights as anyone else.  I never said the mosque should not be allowed.  I just think it's a bad idea.  A "political nightmare" if the tables were turned.

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Re: Building a Mosque near ground zero
« Reply #194 on: August 19, 2010, 02:15:53 AM »
No, Bush was always very friendly toward Muslims.  Friendlier than Obama.  You guys could use that as one of your talking points against Obama if you weren't so hung up on the crazy conspiracy theories

meh, your kind coined the phrase "vast right wing conspiracy"... so, stfu.

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« Reply #195 on: August 19, 2010, 07:57:12 AM »
Is this like when hippies and liberals do everything in their power to keep "evil" Wal-Mart out of town?

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« Reply #196 on: August 19, 2010, 08:07:11 AM »


Come on, anti-mosquers.  Talk to us about this video.  OH YEAH!

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« Reply #197 on: August 19, 2010, 08:31:32 AM »
Nobody is calling it "sacred ground" you f*cking flop knob.  What the f*ck does that even mean?  I understand its the premise of your argument, but seriously your arguing with nobody.

You dumb fracking hayseed, your whole line of reasoning for being against this is either that you think it's "too close" to the 9/11 site, or you're a bigoted bad person who's afraid of anybody that isn't white.

Which is it?

WTF?  Are you Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) or something?

Which is it, "sugar dick?"  Are they too close to the site, or do you hate people who aren't white?

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« Reply #198 on: August 19, 2010, 08:36:53 AM »
Is this like when hippies and liberals do everything in their power to keep "evil" Wal-Mart out of town?

No, it's not, and I suspect you know that.
First, it's not hippies and liberals that are against Wal-Mart's expansion, it's union workers and small business owners (neither of which would be described as hippie or liberal) that feel Wal-Mart ignores unfair labor laws.  Second, the reason Wal-Mart has been rallied against is because what they're accused of doing is breaking the law.  The people associated with the Islamic center that will be built in lower Manhattan have broken no laws.  The people violating the rights of others in this equation are on your side of the circus. 


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« Reply #199 on: August 19, 2010, 08:42:48 AM »
The people associated with the Islamic center that will be built in lower Manhattan have broken no laws. 

THEY FLEW PLANES INTO THE TOWERS!!!! :runaway: