Building a Mosque near ground zero

[06wildcat]

I feel like our position on the Alamo is getting buried in all of this.

No one ever remembers the Alamo.

[jtksu]

Are you denying the fact that a small percentage of pedophile priests have ruined the image of the Catholic church?  Would you support the building of a Catholic Cultural center across the street from a building housing a counseling center for molestation victims?  Also-  If you had a leg to stand on in this argument, you wouldn't have to stoop to twisitng my words into completely contradictory meanings.

[Pete]

I feel like our position on the Alamo is getting buried in all of this.

No one ever remembers the Alamo.

See, that's what's going to happen if you let those Arab Temples pop up around the World Trade Center's hole in the ground.....it will all be forgotten.

[gokatgo]

I feel like our position on the Alamo is getting buried in all of this.

No one ever remembers the Alamo.

Catholic Mexicans killed lots of Americans....well, texans.

Not sure if any of the Mexicans were pedaphiles.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I must have missed the coverage of the planes the catholics hijacked and flew into a school, killing thousands.

Well all Catholic priests are pedophiles, according to your aforementioned logic. Seems like that would be shitting all over any kid who was ever molested. Again, just extrapolating your logic to everything, it's kinda fun.

Pedophilia is accepted behavior in some Muslim countries.

[jtksu]

I kinda doubt the Mexicans were throwing many parties there 10 years after the battle.

[06wildcat]

Are you denying the fact that a small percentage of pedophile priests have ruined the image of the Catholic church?  Would you support the building of a Catholic Cultural center across the street from a building housing a counseling center for molestation victims?  Also-  If you had a leg to stand on in this argument, you wouldn't have to stoop to twisitng my words into completely contradictory meanings.

I wouldn't be opposed to a Catholic anything across the street from anything. It's no secret that a small minority of Catholic priests are pedophiles, but I'm not going to get outraged and go full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on an entire sect of Christianity because of the actions of a few.

As for the Catholic church's image, please define ruined. Last I checked no one was protesting the building of a Catholic church. Yes, its image has taken a beating because some of its clergy have molested children, but there aren't prominent politicians calling for Catholics to not build churches, cultural centers or, heaven forbid, Catholic schools.

I'm not twisting your words, I'm simply applying your logic to a different group. It's the same type of logic Congress should apply when passing laws to avoid unforeseen consequences. If your argument were a tautology, then you would have to agree that any group, no matter how large, can be judged by the actions of simply "more than 19."

[Pete]

I must have missed the coverage of the planes the catholics hijacked and flew into a school, killing thousands.

Well all Catholic priests are pedophiles, according to your aforementioned logic. Seems like that would be shitting all over any kid who was ever molested. Again, just extrapolating your logic to everything, it's kinda fun.

Pedophilia is accepted behavior in some Muslim countries.

Did you know that the death penalty is not legal in any christian country? It's a fact.

[jtksu]

Jesus, you can barely read, can you?  A previous poster referred to the actions of the 19 conspirators of the attacks and I said there were many more than 19 radical Muslims in the world.  And yes, the Catholic church's image is forever tarnished.  Entire dioceses are bankrupt, church attendance is extremely low, and new membership goals are unattainable at this point.  What was once seen as a holy group of men is now a punchline.  And comparing the molestation of a small number of boys over the last 50 years to the 9/11 attacks is beyond rediculous.

[Sugar Dick]

suck my balls. we are building the thing.

This is the attitude of the so-called moderate bridge-building imam.

This is no different than the Nubbs coming to KSU, beating our a$$es, then dancing on the giant powercat in the middle of the field while flipping off the crowd.

That's so dumb I wouldn't even know where to start on it. I truly hope you don't honestly believe that.

I haven't read through this whole thread but the bottom line is that, unquestionably, they should be able to build the thing.

There are certain rare situations in which the constitution should be violated, such as when our imminent safety is in danger among select other situations, but this is not, and is not even close, to being one of those situations.

Does it suck? Yes.
Does it personally piss me off? Yep.
Is that worth amending the very freedom our country stands for? Hell no. Not even close.

What are your thoughts on Slander and Libel?  Violation of the right to free speech?

Slander and libel are crimes with victims. Who is the victim in the construction of a mosque?

Not every constraint or restriction is a violation of the Constitution.  Look at gun laws, zoning laws, etc.  Even the sacred first amendment has restrictions (i.e. right to assemble almost always requires a permit).

Telling these assholes to shazbot! off is no more a violation of the constitution, than requiring a meeting in front of the town planning commission to get a fence built around your yard, or a room above your garage.

This would be a good point if there were any current zoning laws prohibiting religious buildings. Unfortunately for you, there are not.

If liberal hero FDR was still around, he'd throw every muslim in a concentration camp until the war in the Middle East was over, just like he did the Japanese during WW2.

This was a very racist policy. Why do you want to see it happen again?

The bottom line is that the government has no business telling anyone what they can or cannot do with their property as long you meet all current zoning laws. To single out a single property holder is a violation of their personal freedoms.

First of all dumbstick, slander and libel are torts.  Last I checked, Constitutional rights don't need victims.

Secondly, muni's phase out things all the time (it's called amortization), most often adult entertainment venues, but also concert halls, etc.  Muni's can and do get rid of businesses, buildings, etc. they don't like.

Third, FDR is a liberal and therefore can never be racist.

You FAIL

[Sugar Dick]

Can't wait until some drunk New Yorker who had a cousin die in 9/11 decides to get loaded at the local pub then walk over to the new Mosque, take a piss on the doorsteps, throw a brick through the window, and strike a match.

I'm guessing the NYPD and FDNY might be a little slow to rush over.  That is if there's a local contractor that will even build the thing.

This echos, the "Bad Idea" part of the whole thing.

Anyone can poke a stick in a hornets nest, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

[jtksu]

Who are you to deny a man the right to poke a hornet's nest?  If he was Christian, you wouldn't have a problem with him poking that nest!

[06wildcat]

Jesus, you can barely read, can you?  A previous poster referred to the actions of the 19 conspirators of the attacks and I said there were many more than 19 radical Muslims in the world.  And yes, the Catholic church's image is forever tarnished.  Entire dioceses are bankrupt, church attendance is extremely low, and new membership goals are unattainable at this point.  What was once seen as a holy group of men is now a punchline.  And comparing the molestation of a small number of boys over the last 50 years to the 9/11 attacks is beyond rediculous.

At no time did I say the two were equal. I deconstructing an argument is a tough thing, but it really makes no sense to argue with someone who can't comprehend the actual point. You claim that I can't read while believing my argument is that Catholic pedophiles are equal to the 9-11 hijackers.

I'll give you one last chance, clearly state the argument I'm making and I won't believe you're Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). It's not exactly a novel argument. You probably learned it in grade school.

[Sugar Dick]

Who are you to deny a man the right to poke a hornet's nest?  If he was Christian, you wouldn't have a problem with him poking that nest!

I'm just worried about the hornets constitutional rights, particularly their right to privacy which is outlined in the _________ of the Constitution.

[gokatgo]

I kinda doubt the Mexicans were throwing many parties there 10 years after the battle.

bet thay partied like rockstars the night after the battle, guaranteed one of those mexicans passed out wearing davey crockett's hat

[Paul Moscow]

You didn't hear anyone clamoring for the past 10 years that the two block radius surrounding Ground Zero should be re-zoned as an "honor the 9/11" zoning district.

Furthermore, if the city of New York decides to retroactively deny the zoning approval (the approval already given to the community center) they would be in blatant violation of the Religious Land Use and Institutional Persons Act and would be headed most likely toward a large lawsuit.

That federal law was adopted by the Republican congress in 2000 and makes the denial that these vote-hungry republicans seek blatantly illegal.

[Jeffy]

I love tyranny when I agree with the majority.

How many times can I say they have the right to build the thing? Just because they can doesn't mean they should.

Please provide a non-bigoted reason why they shouldn't build it? There are 1 billion-plus Muslims in the world and we should judge them all by the actions of 19?

Are you in favor of Fred Phelps building a second church in the middle of the homo district of San Francisco? 

It's completely legal.  But is it moral?


How about building a Satanic Church right next to the Crystal Cathedral?  It's legal, but should it be done?

It's about morality and respect.  If Muslims, regardless of their views, chose to disregard the history of the area (disrespect it), then to what level should they receive respect in return?

What we will end up seeing in NY will be a perfect example of the market forces at work.  Will the unions build the mosque?  Will the general public pressure the "business" enough so that they don't start building? 

[Trim]

Are you in favor of Fred Phelps building a second church in the middle of the homo district of San Francisco? 

How about building a Satanic Church right next to the Crystal Cathedral?  It's legal, but should it be done?

Yes and yes.  Would be hilarious.  Especially for the goEMAW politics board.

So, will any of this mosque be up and running for us to pak at when we're all there for YankeePak?

[06wildcat]

I love tyranny when I agree with the majority.

How many times can I say they have the right to build the thing? Just because they can doesn't mean they should.

Please provide a non-bigoted reason why they shouldn't build it? There are 1 billion-plus Muslims in the world and we should judge them all by the actions of 19?

Are you in favor of Fred Phelps building a second church in the middle of the homo district of San Francisco? 

It's completely legal.  But is it moral?


How about building a Satanic Church right next to the Crystal Cathedral?  It's legal, but should it be done?

It's about morality and respect.  If Muslims, regardless of their views, chose to disregard the history of the area (disrespect it), then to what level should they receive respect in return?

What we will end up seeing in NY will be a perfect example of the market forces at work.  Will the unions build the mosque?  Will the general public pressure the "business" enough so that they don't start building? 

How about I don't care? If Phelps wants to construct another church, I don't care, that's his business. Same for a Satanic church, same for this mosque. Let your panties out a little and quit being a FP about it. There are bigger issues than Muslims building a community center that happens to have a prayer room in it.

I also don't have a problem with private companies not wanting to build it. That's their decision and I could not care less with how they choose to run their business.

[jtksu]

Must be nice to not be burdened with silly things like ideals, morals, and ethics.

[Dugout DickStone]

Bad idea:   likely
Legal and Constitutionally protected:  No doubt.


The "would they let jew's build a temple in Saudi" argument is so stupid it makes me dizzy.  

Solution:  Larry Flint builds his greatest strip club of all time across the street featuring a "super jersey girl strip-off of all time" contest on 9/11/11 as they host their dedication.  Let nature take its course from that point.

PS.  I suspect there will be a nudie bar across the street.  Not that I know a dude who owns a few nudies in NYC or anything...

[Trim]

Solution:  Larry Flint builds his greatest strip club of all time across the street featuring a "super jersey girl strip-off of all time" contest on 9/11/11 as they host their dedication.  Let nature take its course from that point.

This had better NOT take any of the shine off the goEMAW Aggieville swimsuit competition.

[Dugout DickStone]

Solution:  Larry Flint builds his greatest strip club of all time across the street featuring a "super jersey girl strip-off of all time" contest on 9/11/11 as they host their dedication.  Let nature take its course from that point.

This had better NOT take any of the shine off the goEMAW Aggieville swimsuit competition.

I already got Tara Reid singed up.

[06wildcat]

Must be nice to not be burdened with silly things like ideals, morals, and ethics.

Because I refuse to impose my ideals, morals and ethics on others means I don't have them. Glad to see you haven't given up Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) logic.

[Pete]

For me, this topic is like a litmus test.