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Why should someone not even being accused of a crime be locked up indefinitely? Why should people be denied any due process so Ted Cruz can try to score a cheap political point?

I'm not disputing anything you're saying.  I was just asking what you thought.  Your general idea seems ok to me assuming it's workable (i.e. there being a reasonable way to account for people who miss their court date).


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would cruz's proposal (the aims of which are quoted below) solve this? 

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Double the number of federal immigration judges, from roughly 375 to 750.

Authorize new temporary shelters, with accommodations to keep families together.

Mandate that illegal immigrant families be kept together, absent aggravated criminal conduct or threat of harm to the children.

Provide for expedited processing and review of asylum cases, so that — within 14 days — those who meet the legal standards will be granted asylum, and those who do not will be immediately returned to their home countries.
from what i've read, people are critical of the two week processing because it's unrealistic.  but otherwise this seems to address the issues.

I think the two biggest problems are that it doesn't do anything to accommodate the representation of the people seeking asylum and Trump admin will just rubber stamp deny these claims by either altering the things that can be considered or using the 14 day limit to prevent people from building any case.

People shouldn't be detained anyway, take down their information, give them a court date, if they no-show then go from there.
So let people declare asylum at a point of entry or within 1 year.  After declaring, take their info*, put them in a database, and give them a court date.

If they skip court or don't declare within a year, f'em ban'em? 

*this is probably an ignorant question, but, in general, do people that cross the border have "information" such that if they do skip court they can be identified?

Why should someone not even being accused of a crime be locked up indefinitely? Why should people be denied any due process so Ted Cruz can try to score a cheap political point?


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So anyone illegally crossing the border can just say "asylum" and walk free?

That's a really rough ridin' shitty stupid dangerous policy that created the systemic crap show that is our current immigration system. All so the dems could win California by 25 points instead of 23.

They are already separating parents from children when people present themselves at the border and claim asylum. There is nothing “illegal” about claiming asylum. Detaining people until their asylum hearing is inhumane enough, but separating the families is particularly cruel.

The rest of the post is unhinged and racist, as is your wont.


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Hey look, more bad legislation headed our way.    8 years of Obama to sort this out, but now lets take advantage of a political 'crisis' for more shitty bills.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/06/19/democrats-border-separation-bill-let-nearly-parents-commit-federal-crimes-get-off-scot-free/

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n reality, all of this could be solved with simple legislation. The House of Representatives is actually set to take up the issue of family separation in both versions of the immigration bill being presented in the House. But Democrats probably won’t sign on to either bill — and it’s unlikely they’d even sign onto an independent piece of legislation designed to allow children to stay with their illegal-immigrant parents until their cases can be adjudicated. That’s because thanks to biased media coverage — and, in some cases, outright falsehoods — Democrats are winning the public-relations war. The longer the Democrats prevent a solution from arising, the more they gain in the public-opinion polls. So they have little incentive to come to the table around an immigration solution — their better political option remains to wait Trump out and let the press inflict damage on him. There’s a reason every Republican attempt at immigration reform has stalled out over the past two decades — and there’s a reason Democrats have celebrated every time they have. There’s also a reason that Democrats with unified control of the presidency and Congress attempted no serious immigration reform. Better to let the problem fester for political gain than to attempt to solve it.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/immigration-debate-family-separation-media-coverage-misleading/

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All of this could be solved without any legislation at all if the president wasn't such a piece of crap human being.

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All of this could be solved without any legislation at all if the president wasn't such a piece of crap human being.

Yes, the border, it was going great before.

In fact, let's just dump immigration reform altogether.


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Hey look, more bad legislation headed our way.    8 years of Obama to sort this out, but now lets take advantage of a political 'crisis' for more shitty bills.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/06/19/democrats-border-separation-bill-let-nearly-parents-commit-federal-crimes-get-off-scot-free/

I'm not sure I've ever read a more scathing technical analysis of a piece of legislation that will never get considered, much less passed.

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All of this could be solved without any legislation at all if the president wasn't such a piece of crap human being.

Yes, the border, it was going great before.

In fact, let's just dump immigration reform altogether.

Yeah, definitely what’s happening here. It’s either control our borders and cage children or just say ‘eff it’ and let everybody in.


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cruz doesn't even have a bill, just a tweet talking about what he'd like a bill to be.  feinstein has an actual bill written that resolves the issue of family separation that has support from 49 senators.
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Hey look, more bad legislation headed our way.    8 years of Obama to sort this out, but now lets take advantage of a political 'crisis' for more shitty bills.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/06/19/democrats-border-separation-bill-let-nearly-parents-commit-federal-crimes-get-off-scot-free/

I'm not sure I've ever read a more scathing technical analysis of a piece of legislation that will never get considered, much less passed.

i'm not even a lawyer and i could recognize that it that "analysis" was complete horseshit.
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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Hey look, more bad legislation headed our way.    8 years of Obama to sort this out, but now lets take advantage of a political 'crisis' for more shitty bills.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/06/19/democrats-border-separation-bill-let-nearly-parents-commit-federal-crimes-get-off-scot-free/

I'm not sure I've ever read a more scathing technical analysis of a piece of legislation that will never get considered, much less passed.

i'm not even a lawyer and i could recognize that it that "analysis" was complete horseshit.

You're going to say that every time, SysBot.

The final straw in totally disregarding any link you post was the link to the guy implying negotiating arms control with NK in 2018 is exactly the same as negotiating arms control with NK in 1996 or 1985.   If that's your "expert" base, then you don't have an "expert" base.














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When Trump is ultimately escorted from the WH, I bet Dax is going to have a nice long restful sleep....the defense of everything coming out of POTUS has to be tough....yes Dax, tougher than libots (sp?) that defended Obama....this stuff is next level in ideology and presentation.

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When Trump is ultimately escorted from the WH, I bet Dax is going to have a nice long restful sleep....the defense of everything coming out of POTUS has to be tough....yes Dax, tougher than libots (sp?) that defended Obama....this stuff is next level in ideology and presentation.

I have nice long restful sleeps now, I couldn't care less if Trump is "escorted out of the White House". 

I also don't defend everything, what I make fun of mostly is the selective outrage and the unmitigated failure by Lib heroes to actually get any problems resolved and/or their apparent ineptitude.   

8 years to get the border and immigration straight.  Grade: F- 

But, be honest Phil, they never wanted to get the border or immigration straight.   







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would cruz's proposal (the aims of which are quoted below) solve this? 

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Double the number of federal immigration judges, from roughly 375 to 750.

Authorize new temporary shelters, with accommodations to keep families together.

Mandate that illegal immigrant families be kept together, absent aggravated criminal conduct or threat of harm to the children.

Provide for expedited processing and review of asylum cases, so that — within 14 days — those who meet the legal standards will be granted asylum, and those who do not will be immediately returned to their home countries.
from what i've read, people are critical of the two week processing because it's unrealistic.  but otherwise this seems to address the issues.

I think the two biggest problems are that it doesn't do anything to accommodate the representation of the people seeking asylum and Trump admin will just rubber stamp deny these claims by either altering the things that can be considered or using the 14 day limit to prevent people from building any case.

People shouldn't be detained anyway, take down their information, give them a court date, if they no-show then go from there.
So let people declare asylum at a point of entry or within 1 year.  After declaring, take their info*, put them in a database, and give them a court date.

If they skip court or don't declare within a year, f'em ban'em? 

*this is probably an ignorant question, but, in general, do people that cross the border have "information" such that if they do skip court they can be identified?

Why should someone not even being accused of a crime be locked up indefinitely? Why should people be denied any due process so Ted Cruz can try to score a cheap political point?


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So anyone illegally crossing the border can just say "asylum" and walk free?

That's a really rough ridin' shitty stupid dangerous policy that created the systemic crap show that is our current immigration system. All so the dems could win California by 25 points instead of 23.

They are already separating parents from children when people present themselves at the border and claim asylum. There is nothing “illegal” about claiming asylum. Detaining people until their asylum hearing is inhumane enough, but separating the families is particularly cruel.

The rest of the post is unhinged and racist, as is your wont.


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Completely nonresponsive to my point re policy and straight to "racist ".

How perfectly libtard
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would cruz's proposal (the aims of which are quoted below) solve this? 

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Double the number of federal immigration judges, from roughly 375 to 750.

Authorize new temporary shelters, with accommodations to keep families together.

Mandate that illegal immigrant families be kept together, absent aggravated criminal conduct or threat of harm to the children.

Provide for expedited processing and review of asylum cases, so that — within 14 days — those who meet the legal standards will be granted asylum, and those who do not will be immediately returned to their home countries.
from what i've read, people are critical of the two week processing because it's unrealistic.  but otherwise this seems to address the issues.

I think the two biggest problems are that it doesn't do anything to accommodate the representation of the people seeking asylum and Trump admin will just rubber stamp deny these claims by either altering the things that can be considered or using the 14 day limit to prevent people from building any case.

People shouldn't be detained anyway, take down their information, give them a court date, if they no-show then go from there.
So let people declare asylum at a point of entry or within 1 year.  After declaring, take their info*, put them in a database, and give them a court date.

If they skip court or don't declare within a year, f'em ban'em? 

*this is probably an ignorant question, but, in general, do people that cross the border have "information" such that if they do skip court they can be identified?

Why should someone not even being accused of a crime be locked up indefinitely? Why should people be denied any due process so Ted Cruz can try to score a cheap political point?


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So anyone illegally crossing the border can just say "asylum" and walk free?

That's a really rough ridin' shitty stupid dangerous policy that created the systemic crap show that is our current immigration system. All so the dems could win California by 25 points instead of 23.

They are already separating parents from children when people present themselves at the border and claim asylum. There is nothing “illegal” about claiming asylum. Detaining people until their asylum hearing is inhumane enough, but separating the families is particularly cruel.

The rest of the post is unhinged and racist, as is your wont.


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Completely nonresponsive to my point re policy and straight to "racist ".

How perfectly libtard

No. You skipped over the part where I responded to you to read the part where I called you a racist.


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The ongoing ProgLib Meme:

Detained Illegal Immigrants = Holocaust Victims


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just read a post on nushaggy that i thought was interesting.  what if trump is setting sessions up to take a fall for this inhumane practice so he can fire sessions without pissing off the senate and then putting pruitt or whoever as AG so they can shut down the investigation?  maybe... maybe

 :pray:
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they have to take away the rosaries because the children might try to hang themselves with them

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just read a post on nushaggy that i thought was interesting.  what if trump is setting sessions up to take a fall for this inhumane practice so he can fire sessions without pissing off the senate and then putting pruitt or whoever as AG so they can shut down the investigation?  maybe... maybe

 :pray:

Pruitt as AG to shut down the Russia probe would just be fantastic. Like I think we’re already on pace for an unforgettable presidency, but that would push Trump past Nixon and Harding by a wide margin.

If Trump’s presidency were over tomorrow it would be pretty forgettable tbh.

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The ongoing ProgLib Meme:

Detained Illegal Immigrants = Holocaust Victims

What does ProgLib mean?  Can you Trump guys publish a FAQ, it's very hard to follow what your posts are trying to say...

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proglib is a daxclusive
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