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Title: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Matt Mckee on June 13, 2018, 08:04:52 PM
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Title: Re: Re: LOL TRUMP
Post by: steve dave on June 13, 2018, 08:13:51 PM
wut
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 13, 2018, 08:32:38 PM
Title: Re: Re: LOL TRUMP
Post by: steve dave on June 13, 2018, 08:47:48 PM
holy crap
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Post by: steve dave on June 13, 2018, 08:48:25 PM
that's not LOL  :frown:
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 13, 2018, 08:57:43 PM
he is a rough ridin' garbage human
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Post by: wetwillie on June 13, 2018, 09:57:09 PM
Something about a thousand year Reich in Spanish I Assume?
Title: Re: Re: LOL TRUMP
Post by: steve dave on June 13, 2018, 10:17:24 PM
Something about a thousand year Reich in Spanish I Assume?

It’s in English on the left Descartes


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Title: Re: Re: LOL TRUMP
Post by: mocat on June 14, 2018, 06:09:41 AM
WTF
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Post by: Phil Titola on June 14, 2018, 07:02:08 AM
That's like lol in a scared laughing way.
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Post by: sys on June 14, 2018, 11:45:48 AM
ha ha.  it's funny because we're monsters.

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Post by: mocat on June 14, 2018, 11:54:04 AM
But the obama hope shirts were really communisty
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Post by: Dlew12 on June 14, 2018, 12:08:10 PM
"child internment camps" aren't exactly an invention by the trump admin fwiw.
Title: Re: Re: LOL TRUMP
Post by: sys on June 14, 2018, 12:14:11 PM
"child internment camps" aren't exactly an invention by the trump admin fwiw.

that is worth absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Re: LOL TRUMP
Post by: Dlew12 on June 14, 2018, 12:15:34 PM
"child internment camps" aren't exactly an invention by the trump admin fwiw.

that is worth absolutely nothing.
I think it's relevant for the time traveling tweeter blowing 2014 peoples' minds that child internment camps exist in 2018. 

They're abhorrent and should be done away with, but they're not anything unique to this administration.
Title: Re: Re: LOL TRUMP
Post by: michigancat on June 14, 2018, 12:19:34 PM
"child internment camps" aren't exactly an invention by the trump admin fwiw.

that is worth absolutely nothing.
I think it's relevant for the time traveling tweeter blowing 2014 peoples' minds that child internment camps exist in 2018. 

They're abhorrent and should be done away with, but they're not anything unique to this administration.

the murals are new and unique (I'm guessing) and therefore relevant to this thread. but thanks for setting the record straight.
Title: Re: Re: LOL TRUMP
Post by: Dlew12 on June 14, 2018, 12:21:12 PM
"child internment camps" aren't exactly an invention by the trump admin fwiw.

that is worth absolutely nothing.
I think it's relevant for the time traveling tweeter blowing 2014 peoples' minds that child internment camps exist in 2018. 

They're abhorrent and should be done away with, but they're not anything unique to this administration.

the murals are new and unique (I'm guessing) and therefore relevant to this thread. but thanks for setting the record straight.
Complaining about the artwork in a "child internment camp" kind of buries the lead, don't you think?
Title: Re: Re: LOL TRUMP
Post by: Phil Titola on June 14, 2018, 12:21:41 PM
"child internment camps" aren't exactly an invention by the trump admin fwiw.

that is worth absolutely nothing.
I think it's relevant for the time traveling tweeter blowing 2014 peoples' minds that child internment camps exist in 2018. 

They're abhorrent and should be done away with, but they're not anything unique to this administration.
The amount of kid ripping away is higher correct?
Title: Re: Re: LOL TRUMP
Post by: sys on June 14, 2018, 12:25:35 PM
"child internment camps" aren't exactly an invention by the trump admin fwiw.

that is worth absolutely nothing.
I think it's relevant for the time traveling tweeter blowing 2014 peoples' minds that child internment camps exist in 2018. 

They're abhorrent and should be done away with, but they're not anything unique to this administration.

the murals are new and unique (I'm guessing) and therefore relevant to this thread. but thanks for setting the record straight.

previously used to house unaccompanied minors, now (also) housing children taken from their parents, some much younger than the typical unaccompanied minor.  gmafb with your crap about "they're not anything unique to this administration".
Title: Re: Re: LOL TRUMP
Post by: sys on June 14, 2018, 12:28:49 PM
the murals are new and unique (I'm guessing) and therefore relevant to this thread. but thanks for setting the record straight.

the artwork is stupid and irrelevant except it gives dumbass resistanceers a way to put this in a "lol trump" thread instead of an "we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything about it" thread.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: steve dave on June 14, 2018, 12:32:34 PM
steve dave = best mod
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: michigancat on June 14, 2018, 12:34:22 PM
the murals are new and unique (I'm guessing) and therefore relevant to this thread. but thanks for setting the record straight.

the artwork is stupid and irrelevant except it gives dumbass resistanceers a way to put this in a "lol trump" thread instead of an "we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything about it" thread.

that's accurate and fair. great modding sd. it's a nice potential name for the pit, too.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Matt Mckee on June 14, 2018, 12:37:02 PM
the murals are new and unique (I'm guessing) and therefore relevant to this thread. but thanks for setting the record straight.

the artwork is stupid and irrelevant except it gives dumbass resistanceers a way to put this in a "lol trump" thread instead of an "we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything about it" thread.

Can confirm that the resistanceer that did that is in fact a dunbass.



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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Chingon on June 14, 2018, 12:42:40 PM
I suspect most Americans aren't apathetic about this (in the sense that they think it's "bad" and just can't be bothered to do anything about it), they think its is perfectly justifiable or even desirable.   If libs think this is a "winning" issue to get votes in Nov they are stupid as usual.
Title: Re: Re: LOL TRUMP
Post by: Dlew12 on June 14, 2018, 12:44:13 PM
"child internment camps" aren't exactly an invention by the trump admin fwiw.

that is worth absolutely nothing.
I think it's relevant for the time traveling tweeter blowing 2014 peoples' minds that child internment camps exist in 2018. 

They're abhorrent and should be done away with, but they're not anything unique to this administration.

the murals are new and unique (I'm guessing) and therefore relevant to this thread. but thanks for setting the record straight.

previously used to house unaccompanied minors, now (also) housing children taken from their parents, some much younger than the typical unaccompanied minor.  gmafb with your crap about "they're not anything unique to this administration".
You're right.  I conflated the two - thanks for pointing out the distinction.

It's an inhumane practice that should be stopped. 
Title: Re: Re: LOL TRUMP
Post by: sys on June 14, 2018, 12:45:30 PM
It's an inhumane practice that should be stopped.

thank you.  i agree.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 8manpick on June 14, 2018, 12:49:13 PM
"child internment camps" aren't exactly an invention by the trump admin fwiw.

that is worth absolutely nothing.
I think it's relevant for the time traveling tweeter blowing 2014 peoples' minds that child internment camps exist in 2018. 

They're abhorrent and should be done away with, but they're not anything unique to this administration.

the murals are new and unique (I'm guessing) and therefore relevant to this thread. but thanks for setting the record straight.
Complaining about the artwork in a "child internment camp" kind of buries the lead, don't you think?
:D Ha, good one Wacky!
Title: Re: Re: LOL TRUMP
Post by: mocat on June 14, 2018, 12:53:31 PM
"child internment camps" aren't exactly an invention by the trump admin fwiw.

from what i understand we now have a publicly announced zero tolerance policy, and are using these children camps as deterrents for border crossing.

this is an invention by the trump admin ^
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 14, 2018, 12:55:58 PM
Fairly guilty of being comfortable and apathetic... What can I do about the kids being taken from their parents thing sys?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Dlew12 on June 14, 2018, 12:56:47 PM
Complaining about the artwork in a "child internment camp" kind of buries the lead, don't you think?
:D Ha, good one Wacky!

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bury_the_lead (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bury_the_lead)
:dubious:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 14, 2018, 12:58:57 PM
Can confirm that the resistanceer that did that is in fact a dunbass.

i definitely include myself among the comfortable and apathetic.  this is probably the most comfortable and apathetic way to try to do anything, but i don't really have any other ideas.

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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: chum1 on June 14, 2018, 01:00:47 PM
Can confirm that the resistanceer that did that is in fact a dunbass.

i definitely include myself among the comfortable and apathetic.  this is probably the most comfortable and apathetic way to try to do anything, but i don't really have any other ideas.

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You donated your car?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 14, 2018, 01:03:01 PM
i'm a lazy person, chum1.  learning how to screencap and photoshop isn't an investment i want to make.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 14, 2018, 01:03:40 PM
The 'ol Missouri Triangle
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 14, 2018, 01:04:54 PM
The 'ol Missouri Triangle

eff, forgot about that.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 14, 2018, 03:02:58 PM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: catastrophe on June 14, 2018, 03:18:30 PM
That's horrific if true, but even worse is the fact that the administration wants people to know they are doing it.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 14, 2018, 03:20:59 PM
That's horrific if true, but even worse is the fact that the administration wants people to know they are doing it.

I think the transparency is a good thing. Sure, it's awful that these people clearly see nothing morally wrong with this, but it's not like there is any sort of revelation at this point that everyone involved with this administration is a walking, breathing piece of crap.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 14, 2018, 03:29:03 PM
I don't understand. They have the equipment and manpower to set up a weekly Skype, but they can't keep these kids in livable conditions and get the kid back to the parents.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 14, 2018, 03:31:47 PM
I don't understand. They have the equipment and manpower to set up a weekly Skype, but they can't keep these kids in livable conditions and get the kid back to the parents.

They don't want to keep these kids in livable conditions, though.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: treysolid on June 14, 2018, 03:48:23 PM
highway interdiction but with human lives. despicable.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: catastrophe on June 14, 2018, 04:01:07 PM
That's horrific if true, but even worse is the fact that the administration wants people to know they are doing it.

I think the transparency is a good thing. Sure, it's awful that these people clearly see nothing morally wrong with this, but it's not like there is any sort of revelation at this point that everyone involved with this administration is a walking, breathing piece of crap.

I guess my point is that it seems like they prefer to keep the kids detained as a part of the deterrent effect rather than return them, so they're happy to make this known.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: wetwillie on June 14, 2018, 05:04:49 PM
Is what they are doing legal but immoral or both? 
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 14, 2018, 06:41:27 PM
Is what they are doing legal but immoral or both?

It's both.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: wetwillie on June 14, 2018, 06:47:43 PM
Every circuit court judge from Tallahassee to Portland fought the Muslim ban thing immediately but no one is stepping up to the plate on this thing?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 14, 2018, 07:29:14 PM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 14, 2018, 08:02:27 PM
Every circuit court judge from Tallahassee to Portland fought the Muslim ban thing immediately but no one is stepping up to the plate on this thing?

i'm no lawyer, but i think it's legal until a judge tells them it isn't.  and still not a lawyer, but i think a judge would have to rule that they are separating the children in bad faith or something like that.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: wetwillie on June 14, 2018, 08:10:42 PM
yea i think they have enough legal cover on this to continue
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Tubesock on June 14, 2018, 08:44:48 PM
Who is doing this
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: steve dave on June 14, 2018, 08:45:08 PM
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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Tubesock on June 14, 2018, 08:46:32 PM
That son of a bitch!
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 14, 2018, 08:46:53 PM
Who is doing this

you and i.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Tubesock on June 14, 2018, 08:50:26 PM
I have room for a couple of them, better accommodations and no weird artwork
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 14, 2018, 08:55:19 PM
if we were not an immoral nation that deserved to be scoured from this earth, congress would have enacted this law this afternoon.  but they didn't, and we are, and we do.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 14, 2018, 08:57:02 PM
I have room for a couple of them, better accommodations and no weird artwork

call or write your congresspeople and let them know that you want them to immediately pass a bill outlawing the separation of families.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Tubesock on June 14, 2018, 09:07:01 PM
No, I am pro separation of innocents from reckless lawless low life parents, I thought you were mad about something legitimate, sorry carry on.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 14, 2018, 09:08:47 PM
then eff you.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Tubesock on June 14, 2018, 09:09:52 PM
Backatchabud
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 15, 2018, 11:02:25 AM


i'm not sure if the timeline fits, but certainly the pattern would fit - is this whole thing another attempt at mistreating immigrants so they can trade off stopping immigrant mistreatment for wall funding?  i mean obviously, that's what they're doing, but was it the sole genesis?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: steve dave on June 15, 2018, 11:04:33 AM
using the kids as leverage is very on brand
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Post by: bucket on June 15, 2018, 12:59:15 PM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 15, 2018, 01:04:20 PM

60 in the senate, semenova.  thank god.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 15, 2018, 02:00:27 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/behind-the-scenes-at-g-7-meetings-trump-jabs-left-allies-dismayed-1529064601

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The U.S. president jarred some with blunt observations. At one point, Mr. Trump brought up migration as a big problem for Europe and then told Mr. Abe, “Shinzo, you don’t have this problem, but I can send you 25 million Mexicans and you’ll be out of office very soon,”
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: bucket on June 15, 2018, 02:47:40 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dfwa4SdW0AAgeIX.jpg:large)
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 15, 2018, 04:24:19 PM
Crossing the border is illegal, bringing children with you is classified as human smuggling and is a crime.  American citizens who commit crimes are separated from their children all the time.

Would be interested to see what if any "child dumping" occurs in catch and release scenarios, and of course catch and release often results in "lost child" situations that LibBots meltdown about as well. 

But logic and the LibBot are mutually exclusive.

Catch and release also encourages illegal immigration.

But what nation needs a controlled border anyway?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 15, 2018, 04:31:54 PM
Everyone already assumed you support this dax
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: OK_Cat on June 15, 2018, 05:19:32 PM
Everyone already assumed you support this dax




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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Tubesock on June 15, 2018, 09:10:00 PM
I have to admit I already knew Dax wasn’t a dumbass, just hoped some others might step up.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Matt Mckee on June 15, 2018, 09:55:26 PM
They’re seeking asylum,  morons.


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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: catastrophe on June 15, 2018, 11:04:54 PM
Crossing the border is illegal, bringing children with you is classified as human smuggling and is a crime.  American citizens who commit crimes are separated from their children all the time.

My word, you’ve become so conditioned you can actually say something like this and believe it’s true.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: steve dave on June 16, 2018, 08:08:07 AM
using infants as leverage to own the libs

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Kat Kid on June 16, 2018, 08:11:09 AM
Always genuinely surprised how sys is able to look at something like this as a moral imperative and then not interrogate any of his other views on empire and economics.


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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: steve dave on June 16, 2018, 08:15:10 AM
Always genuinely surprised how sys is able to look at something like this as a moral imperative and then not interrogate any of his other views on empire and economics.


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we're all motivated by different things kat kid
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 16, 2018, 08:27:03 AM
Imagine being stupid and/or gullible enough to actually believe that Trump tweet. Wow.
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 16, 2018, 09:29:40 AM
Title: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: catastrophe on June 16, 2018, 10:49:12 AM
I’ve been describing them as Internment Camps, but yea. What else do you call them?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 16, 2018, 01:01:58 PM
Crossing the border is illegal, bringing children with you is classified as human smuggling and is a crime.  American citizens who commit crimes are separated from their children all the time.

My word, you’ve become so conditioned you can actually say something like this and believe it’s true.

It was simple misspeak. 

Crossing the border illegally is, wait for it, a crime. 
Title: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 16, 2018, 01:06:27 PM
They’re seeking asylum,  morons.


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You don’t get to show up and ask for asylum just because things were hard back home. 

Why were they hard?  Has to be evaluated. 

For example:  Were you being persecuted by the shitty Nicaraguan Government that Hillary and Obama loved?  Or was your husband not a nice person? 

There’s a difference.  Not hard.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: wetwillie on June 16, 2018, 01:23:35 PM
:lol: your husband wasn’t a nice person :lol:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 16, 2018, 05:46:03 PM
Always genuinely surprised how sys is able to look at something like this as a moral imperative and then not interrogate any of his other views on empire and economics.

maybe you should reevaluate your mental models, as they appear to be performing poorly as predictors.
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Post by: Chingon on June 16, 2018, 07:53:17 PM
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/whats-really-happening-asylum-seeking-families-separated/
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Post by: Matt Mckee on June 16, 2018, 08:27:11 PM
They’re seeking asylum,  morons.


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You don’t get to show up and ask for asylum just because things were hard back home. 

Why were they hard?  Has to be evaluated. 

For example:  Were you being persecuted by the shitty Nicaraguan Government that Hillary and Obama loved?  Or was your husband not a nice person? 

There’s a difference.  Not hard.
Showing up at the border and asking for asylum is not a crime and you shouldn’t be treated like a criminal while waiting to have your case heard.


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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 16, 2018, 09:49:55 PM
protip to McKee: people like this don't actually care about your line of reasoning because to them, the true crime of imigrants is being brown. Hope that helps.
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 17, 2018, 01:08:03 AM
(https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35475653_1111071972363953_4731861355148083200_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=07101ef40d29d3d086d46bbc8ae65bb4&oe=5BB76E38)
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: nicname on June 17, 2018, 04:09:06 AM
Complaining about the artwork in a "child internment camp" kind of buries the lead, don't you think?
:D Ha, good one Wacky!

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bury_the_lead (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bury_the_lead)
:dubious:

cool people spell it lede.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Kat Kid on June 17, 2018, 08:56:36 AM
Always genuinely surprised how sys is able to look at something like this as a moral imperative and then not interrogate any of his other views on empire and economics.

maybe you should reevaluate your mental models, as they appear to be performing poorly as predictors.

KenPom for reactionary opinions.


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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: bucket on June 17, 2018, 11:41:49 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df2v3EgW0AA9nsG.jpg:large)

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-border-migrant-shelter-20180614-story.html
Title: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 17, 2018, 12:45:21 PM
If only the selectively outraged had just set aside their hyper partisanship and just been outraged (for a change) https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/mexican-kids-held-for-months-as-punishment-for-border-crossing/2015/03/10/311d319a-b2f2-11e4-bf39-5560f3918d4b_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.10315c3d01eb
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 17, 2018, 12:47:57 PM
They’re seeking asylum,  morons.


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You don’t get to show up and ask for asylum just because things were hard back home. 

Why were they hard?  Has to be evaluated. 

For example:  Were you being persecuted by the shitty Nicaraguan Government that Hillary and Obama loved?  Or was your husband not a nice person? 

There’s a difference.  Not hard.
Showing up at the border and asking for asylum is not a crime and you shouldn’t be treated like a criminal while waiting to have your case heard.


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I said showing up at the border and asking for asylum was a crime? 

What I said was crossing the border illegally was a crime. 

Skinny, you’re such a dumbass. 
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: catastrophe on June 17, 2018, 12:49:19 PM
Many of the people seeking asylum are being treated like criminals in this administration, that was his point.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 17, 2018, 12:49:33 PM
Always genuinely surprised how sys is able to look at something like this as a moral imperative and then not interrogate any of his other views on empire and economics.

maybe you should reevaluate your mental models, as they appear to be performing poorly as predictors.

KenPom for reactionary opinions.

"i don't see how someone who believes in the free movement of labor and capital could oppose torturing children to prevent people from freely moving" objectively makes no sense.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 17, 2018, 12:56:49 PM
Many of the people seeking asylum are being treated like criminals in this administration, that was his point.

Clearly this is not new, you just decided now was the time to pay attention.  Weird
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 17, 2018, 01:17:57 PM
Forgot to mention the incarceration of border children by the previous administration and the methods used to question and interrogate them.  Likely got them disappeared if they were sent back. 

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Kat Kid on June 17, 2018, 04:56:42 PM
Always genuinely surprised how sys is able to look at something like this as a moral imperative and then not interrogate any of his other views on empire and economics.

maybe you should reevaluate your mental models, as they appear to be performing poorly as predictors.

KenPom for reactionary opinions.

"i don't see how someone who believes in the free movement of labor and capital could oppose torturing children to prevent people from freely moving" objectively makes no sense.

ok sys.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 17, 2018, 05:02:41 PM
ok sys.

if i weren't familiar with your posting over the last 10 years, but were instead to only judge you from your expressed thoughts in 2018, i would think you were either stupid or purely trolling.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Kat Kid on June 17, 2018, 05:19:07 PM
I definitely am not as good at posting as I used to be.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 17, 2018, 06:36:58 PM
What are they supposed to do with the kids after their parents are arrested?

I'm kind of confused as to what the outrage is about. Most of you seem to think having a kid is carte blanch to avoid incarceration.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 17, 2018, 06:44:28 PM
What are they supposed to do with the kids after their parents are arrested?

I'm kind of confused as to what the outrage is about. Most of you seem to think having a kid is carte blanch to avoid incarceration.

yeah, i have no idea why everyone isn't turned away together?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 17, 2018, 06:52:58 PM
These people aren't standing at the border asking permission, whitebread. They're unlawfully in the country which is against a series of laws passed by the u.s. congress like a bagillion years ago.

It's like you're hauling a few hundred pounds of weed down I70 to sell with your kid in the back, and you get caught by the cops. They arrest you and put you in jail but not your kid.  You can't point to the kid and say it would be child torture if they arrested you, and get off. Otherwise all criminals would haul kids around with them like monopoly get out of jail free cards.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 17, 2018, 06:57:30 PM
These people aren't standing at the border asking permission, whitebread. They're unlawfully in the country which is against a series of laws passed by the u.s. congress like a bagillion years ago.

It's like you're hauling a few hundred pounds of weed down I70 to sell with your kid in the back, and you get caught by the cops. They arrest you and put you in jail but not your kid.  You can't point to the kid and say it would be child torture if they arrested you, and get off. Otherwise all criminals would haul kids around with them like monopoly get out of jail free cards.

i understand that they're in violation of the law, but are we actually processing them through the criminal system while we hold them? i can see why we'd do that in order to track and punish repeat offenders, but why not just take biometric data and catapult them back to wherever they came from.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 17, 2018, 07:03:29 PM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 17, 2018, 08:09:50 PM
These people aren't standing at the border asking permission, whitebread. They're unlawfully in the country which is against a series of laws passed by the u.s. congress like a bagillion years ago.

It's like you're hauling a few hundred pounds of weed down I70 to sell with your kid in the back, and you get caught by the cops. They arrest you and put you in jail but not your kid.  You can't point to the kid and say it would be child torture if they arrested you, and get off. Otherwise all criminals would haul kids around with them like monopoly get out of jail free cards.

i understand that they're in violation of the law, but are we actually processing them through the criminal system while we hold them? i can see why we'd do that in order to track and punish repeat offenders, but why not just take biometric data and catapult them back to wherever they came from.

Because we retardedly (or not) gave them limited due process rights, and the federal court isn't a bastion of efficiency.  It takes weeks/months to catapult someone.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 17, 2018, 08:18:53 PM
The only good part about the child separation policy is that it clearly illuminates who among us are garbage humans better than just about anything else ever could.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 17, 2018, 08:20:49 PM
The delusional are always so pius.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Kat Kid on June 17, 2018, 09:17:10 PM
These people aren't standing at the border asking permission, whitebread. They're unlawfully in the country which is against a series of laws passed by the u.s. congress like a bagillion years ago.

It's like you're hauling a few hundred pounds of weed down I70 to sell with your kid in the back, and you get caught by the cops. They arrest you and put you in jail but not your kid.  You can't point to the kid and say it would be child torture if they arrested you, and get off. Otherwise all criminals would haul kids around with them like monopoly get out of jail free cards.

i understand that they're in violation of the law, but are we actually processing them through the criminal system while we hold them? i can see why we'd do that in order to track and punish repeat offenders, but why not just take biometric data and catapult them back to wherever they came from.

Maybe Trump offers a compromise plan where he rescinds the "save the dirty coal plants" policy and then repurposes the coal cars for piling in the people from the detention centers, all the while ensuring that families are NOT separated, but are place in the same coal cars.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Kat Kid on June 17, 2018, 09:20:28 PM
Stephen Miller gets Sessions to tweak Obama's drone policy and just starts strafing the border.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Matt Mckee on June 17, 2018, 09:23:21 PM
The delusional are always so pius.
And the dumbest among always use words they don’t know how to spell.


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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 17, 2018, 10:25:05 PM
The delusional are always so pius.
And the dumbest among always use words they don’t know how to spell.


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my dude :cheers:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 18, 2018, 01:35:41 AM
call or write your senators.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 18, 2018, 01:42:04 AM
this would be funny if we weren't torturing children.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 'taterblast on June 18, 2018, 09:09:19 AM
The delusional are always so pius.
And the dumbest among always use words they don’t know how to spell.


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Others forget words sometimes.
Title: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: catastrophe on June 18, 2018, 09:50:08 AM
call or write your senators.


How can they possibly get that through the house if they can’t muster a senate majority?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 18, 2018, 10:15:02 AM
How can they possibly get that through the house if they can’t muster a senate majority?

after you call or write your senator, you will call or write your representative.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 18, 2018, 10:25:37 AM
It's really gotten to the point that you just can't vote republican anymore if you believe humans should have rights.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Phil Titola on June 18, 2018, 10:27:39 AM
It's really gotten to the point that you just can't vote republican anymore if you believe humans should have rights.
Has this administration does one thing that would be considered a positive impact on human rights or just the general human experience? Honestly I am trying to come up with something....anything.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 18, 2018, 10:31:30 AM
Has this administration does one thing that would be considered a positive impact on human rights or just the general human experience? Honestly I am trying to come up with something....anything.

i believe humans are now allowed to shoot hibernating bear cubs.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Dlew12 on June 18, 2018, 10:42:10 AM
Has this administration does one thing that would be considered a positive impact on human rights or just the general human experience? Honestly I am trying to come up with something....anything.
Paying less money in taxes has had a positive impact on my human experience
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 18, 2018, 10:46:21 AM
Clearly we need to process these kids through so they can either become "lost children" or send them back after interrogations to determine any relations to Mexican gangs, so the Mexican gangs can then deal with them.   That was policy numerous times under the previous administration, and apparently that was okay, because we never heard anything about it from Perpetually Triggered LibBot nation.

Or, route #3 which is catch and release, and then deport those claiming U.S. born children.   Happened thousands of times in the past, and again, apparently that was perfectly fine because we didn't hear a word about it from Triggered LibBot Nation.



Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Phil Titola on June 18, 2018, 10:46:48 AM
Has this administration does one thing that would be considered a positive impact on human rights or just the general human experience? Honestly I am trying to come up with something....anything.

i believe humans are now allowed to shoot hibernating bear cubs.
Humans +1
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Phil Titola on June 18, 2018, 10:48:08 AM
Clearly we need to process these kids through so they can either become "lost children" or send them back after interrogations to determine any relations to Mexican gangs, so the Mexican gangs can then deal with them.   That was policy numerous times under the previous administration, and apparently that was okay, because we never heard anything about it from Perpetually Triggered LibBot nation.

Or, route #3 which is catch and release, and then deport those claiming U.S. born children.   Happened thousands of times in the past, and again, apparently that was perfectly fine because we didn't hear a word about it from Triggered LibBot Nation.
Pretty sad that this exact same thing had been happening and dax, fox, and Republicans sat in silence. Monsters.

Whataboutism at its finest!
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Phil Titola on June 18, 2018, 10:49:09 AM
Has this administration does one thing that would be considered a positive impact on human rights or just the general human experience? Honestly I am trying to come up with something....anything.
Paying less money in taxes has had a positive impact on my human experience
My company's humans are very happy....missed that one.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 18, 2018, 10:52:03 AM
Clearly we need to process these kids through so they can either become "lost children" or send them back after interrogations to determine any relations to Mexican gangs, so the Mexican gangs can then deal with them.   That was policy numerous times under the previous administration, and apparently that was okay, because we never heard anything about it from Perpetually Triggered LibBot nation.

Or, route #3 which is catch and release, and then deport those claiming U.S. born children.   Happened thousands of times in the past, and again, apparently that was perfectly fine because we didn't hear a word about it from Triggered LibBot Nation.
Pretty sad that this exact same thing had been happening and dax, fox, and Republicans sat in silence. Monsters.

Whataboutism at its finest!

It got very little coverage.   I'm just sorry that the heroes of the left implemented such policies and short of a little article in the WP/NYT we didn't hear much about it.   To think, said policies originated out of the Clinton administration. 

The outcomes of a complicit media.

Sad.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Phil Titola on June 18, 2018, 10:53:38 AM
Clearly we need to process these kids through so they can either become "lost children" or send them back after interrogations to determine any relations to Mexican gangs, so the Mexican gangs can then deal with them.   That was policy numerous times under the previous administration, and apparently that was okay, because we never heard anything about it from Perpetually Triggered LibBot nation.

Or, route #3 which is catch and release, and then deport those claiming U.S. born children.   Happened thousands of times in the past, and again, apparently that was perfectly fine because we didn't hear a word about it from Triggered LibBot Nation.
Pretty sad that this exact same thing had been happening and dax, fox, and Republicans sat in silence. Monsters.

Whataboutism at its finest!

It got very little coverage.   I'm just sorry that the heroes of the left implemented such policies and short of a little article in the WP/NYT we didn't hear much about it.   To think, said policies originated out of the Clinton administration. 

The outcomes of a complicit media.

Sad.
Zero tolerance started last month. You know this but hard to take responsibility...we understand. Monsters don't like being called monsters.....
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 18, 2018, 10:56:59 AM
Clearly we need to process these kids through so they can either become "lost children" or send them back after interrogations to determine any relations to Mexican gangs, so the Mexican gangs can then deal with them.   That was policy numerous times under the previous administration, and apparently that was okay, because we never heard anything about it from Perpetually Triggered LibBot nation.

Or, route #3 which is catch and release, and then deport those claiming U.S. born children.   Happened thousands of times in the past, and again, apparently that was perfectly fine because we didn't hear a word about it from Triggered LibBot Nation.
Pretty sad that this exact same thing had been happening and dax, fox, and Republicans sat in silence. Monsters.

Whataboutism at its finest!

It got very little coverage.   I'm just sorry that the heroes of the left implemented such policies and short of a little article in the WP/NYT we didn't hear much about it.   To think, said policies originated out of the Clinton administration. 

The outcomes of a complicit media.

Sad.
Zero tolerance started last month. You know this but hard to take responsibility...we understand. Monsters don't like being called monsters.....

Yet there was clear precedence for separating children, of which the possible outcomes of the processes in place then were absolutely horrific compared to what's occurring now.    Never heard a peep from you guys.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Phil Titola on June 18, 2018, 10:59:30 AM
Clearly we need to process these kids through so they can either become "lost children" or send them back after interrogations to determine any relations to Mexican gangs, so the Mexican gangs can then deal with them.   That was policy numerous times under the previous administration, and apparently that was okay, because we never heard anything about it from Perpetually Triggered LibBot nation.

Or, route #3 which is catch and release, and then deport those claiming U.S. born children.   Happened thousands of times in the past, and again, apparently that was perfectly fine because we didn't hear a word about it from Triggered LibBot Nation.
Pretty sad that this exact same thing had been happening and dax, fox, and Republicans sat in silence. Monsters.

Whataboutism at its finest!

It got very little coverage.   I'm just sorry that the heroes of the left implemented such policies and short of a little article in the WP/NYT we didn't hear much about it.   To think, said policies originated out of the Clinton administration. 

The outcomes of a complicit media.

Sad.
Zero tolerance started last month. You know this but hard to take responsibility...we understand. Monsters don't like being called monsters.....

Yet there was clear precedence for separating children, of which the possible outcomes of the processes in place then were absolutely horrific compared to what's occurring now.    Never heard a peep from you guys.
Or from international watchdog groups....that now suddenly have filed emergency requests.... they must be in on it!
Title: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: catastrophe on June 18, 2018, 11:06:03 AM
Don’t forget other UN countries and the most prominent member of the American Catholic Church. They too were disgustingly complicit until the recent policy change.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 18, 2018, 11:13:24 AM
Quote
in August, 2017, a group of officials at the Department of Homeland Security gathered to brainstorm new ways to toughen immigration enforcement. Among those leading the discussion was an official named Gene Hamilton, a former aide to Jeff Sessions, the Attorney General, and a close ally of Stephen Miller, the President’s chief immigration adviser. “Hamilton told us that over the next few days we’d need to generate paperwork laying out everything we could do to deter immigrants from coming to the U.S. illegally,” a person who attended the meeting told me. Memos were drafted outlining a range of possible policies; one of them was separating parents from their kids at the border. “All the memos sucked,” the person said. “The outcome was predetermined. We didn’t have time to work out any of the policy differences. Some of the ideas didn’t make sense. Some were illegal, and some, like separating kids, were just immoral.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-the-trump-administration-got-comfortable-separating-immigrant-kids-from-their-parents
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 18, 2018, 11:14:46 AM
Clearly we need to process these kids through so they can either become "lost children" or send them back after interrogations to determine any relations to Mexican gangs, so the Mexican gangs can then deal with them.   That was policy numerous times under the previous administration, and apparently that was okay, because we never heard anything about it from Perpetually Triggered LibBot nation.

Or, route #3 which is catch and release, and then deport those claiming U.S. born children.   Happened thousands of times in the past, and again, apparently that was perfectly fine because we didn't hear a word about it from Triggered LibBot Nation.
Pretty sad that this exact same thing had been happening and dax, fox, and Republicans sat in silence. Monsters.

Whataboutism at its finest!

It got very little coverage.   I'm just sorry that the heroes of the left implemented such policies and short of a little article in the WP/NYT we didn't hear much about it.   To think, said policies originated out of the Clinton administration. 

The outcomes of a complicit media.

Sad.
Zero tolerance started last month. You know this but hard to take responsibility...we understand. Monsters don't like being called monsters.....

Yet there was clear precedence for separating children, of which the possible outcomes of the processes in place then were absolutely horrific compared to what's occurring now.    Never heard a peep from you guys.
Or from international watchdog groups....that now suddenly have filed emergency requests.... they must be in on it!

Apparently you didn't read the scant few articles that were done discussing this issue from when before Trump was president.   One process was to question the kids to gather intelligence about Mexican and Central American drug gangs . . . and then send the kid back.   Never heard a word from you guys.

Like I keep saying, you're all triggered about separating kids from parents, but stood complicity by as Obama deported 73,000 adults claiming U.S. born children.   
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 18, 2018, 11:16:15 AM
Obama never put 2,000 kids in prison camp over a one and a half month period, dax.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: catastrophe on June 18, 2018, 11:20:40 AM
If you’re going to defend this ridiculousness, you have to admire Dax’s approach. Classic whataboutism but with the twist that the greatest travesty of all is the media wasn’t covering the previous atrocities so there’s no real proof.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Trim on June 18, 2018, 11:21:00 AM
Hey!

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=40622.0
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 18, 2018, 11:22:44 AM
Obama never put 2,000 kids in prison camp over a one and a half month period, dax.

True, he apparently separated 73,000 plus children from their parents. 
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 18, 2018, 11:24:55 AM
apparently
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: OK_Cat on June 18, 2018, 11:42:45 AM
Dax hasn’t posted actual facts in a decade and you guys still eat his crap up.


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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: treysolid on June 18, 2018, 11:59:32 AM
apparently, some people can't wrap their feeble little minds around the difference between a policy and a law
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Phil Titola on June 18, 2018, 12:18:09 PM
Dax hasn’t posted actual facts in a decade and you guys still eat his crap up.


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He is crack.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 18, 2018, 12:23:19 PM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 18, 2018, 12:28:34 PM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 18, 2018, 12:39:05 PM
WASHINGTON — Immigration and Customs Enforcement last year carried out more than 72,000 deportations of parents who said they had U.S.-born children, according to reports to Congress obtained Wednesday by The Huffington Post.

The reports were sent by ICE in April to the Senate Appropriations Committee and the Senate Judiciary Committee, as required by law. ICE confirmed the authenticity of the two reports, which lay out 72,410 removals of immigrants who said they had one or more U.S.-born children in 2013.


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/25/parents-deportation_n_5531552.html

It's absolutely sad how spoonfed the Triggered LibBot has to be all the time.

ICE said 71,214 parents of U.S.-born children who were deported fit its priorities. The priorities include convicted criminals, people caught attempting to enter the country illegally, people who had returned after a previous deportation, and people who failed to report to ICE


. . . and one of the chief reasons why we have "lost children". 



Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: mocat on June 18, 2018, 12:41:39 PM
yes that is the same thing dax
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 18, 2018, 12:42:31 PM
yes that is the same thing dax

the crux is seperating parents from children, it was on the original Triggered LibBot memo.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 18, 2018, 12:49:55 PM
Dax just owned you triggered libbots that don't get boners over taking children away from their parents because you don't like the color of their skin
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 18, 2018, 12:52:32 PM
Dax just owned you triggered libbots that don't get boners over taking children away from their parents because you don't like the color of their skin

Unfortunately LibBots (like you) were completely flaccid when your hero was ripping tens of thousands of parents away from their children.   Not a peep from you as the brown people got shipped out of the country and away from their loved ones.



Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Phil Titola on June 18, 2018, 12:52:42 PM
yes that is the same thing dax

the crux is seperating parents from children, it was on the original Triggered LibBot memo.
It's not the same thing...

“For parents who are ordered removed, it is their decision whether or not to relocate their children with them. If parents choose to take their children with them, ICE assists in every way possible including helping to obtain travel documents for the minors or, when possible, allow for the family’s voluntary departure.”

There was no forced separation.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 18, 2018, 12:57:10 PM
yes that is the same thing dax

the crux is seperating parents from children, it was on the original Triggered LibBot memo.
It's not the same thing...

“For parents who are ordered removed, it is their decision whether or not to relocate their children with them. If parents choose to take their children with them, ICE assists in every way possible including helping to obtain travel documents for the minors or, when possible, allow for the family’s voluntary departure.”

There was no forced separation.

They were being forced to make a choice about children who were already U.S. citizens.  What do you suspect the situation was like back in the home country for many of these people? 

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: mocat on June 18, 2018, 12:57:57 PM
no phil it's the exact same thing
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 18, 2018, 12:58:21 PM
Flailing, sad
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: chum1 on June 18, 2018, 12:59:10 PM
Dax appears to be a person who gets off on chastising people concerned about the welfare of innocent children. His enjoyment is especially sweet it if he can point out their hypocrisy. That is the valuable contribution he makes here.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Kat Kid on June 18, 2018, 12:59:17 PM
Obama deporting 3 million people was bad. The unaccompanied minors issue was talked about, reported on, and debated extensively. Obama absolutely does not deserve a pass for his bad immigration policies, but he also didn't separate families awaiting hearings on asylum and it is disingenuous to argue that he separated detained families at the border when the policy is newly created and specifically designed to be inhumane as a deterrent to others.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Phil Titola on June 18, 2018, 01:01:08 PM
yes that is the same thing dax

the crux is seperating parents from children, it was on the original Triggered LibBot memo.
It's not the same thing...

“For parents who are ordered removed, it is their decision whether or not to relocate their children with them. If parents choose to take their children with them, ICE assists in every way possible including helping to obtain travel documents for the minors or, when possible, allow for the family’s voluntary departure.”

There was no forced separation.

They were being forced to make a choice about children who were already U.S. citizens.  What do you suspect the situation was like back in the home country for many of these people?
So you are against deportation. Got it.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 18, 2018, 01:05:57 PM
LOL, the "concern" about children comes with a decided political bend to it.

You had ample opportunity to be "concerned" about Children, and for years, we never heard a word from the resident LibBots.

If you guys want to live in some sort of fantasy land that tells you catch and release and border free-for-all's . . . which in turn lead to a process of incarceration, interrogation and in many cases forced deportation and/or lost children.  Was some kind of cake walk for the kids back then, relative to now, then you're insane. 

Not to mention the other awful by products for children in automatic asylum situations, which some immigration watchers are concerned has created or will create child dumping.   

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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 18, 2018, 01:15:55 PM
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-jr-likes-tweet-suggesting-children-separated-parents-border-are-981126
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 18, 2018, 01:18:12 PM
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 18, 2018, 01:28:19 PM
Lol that's an awesome twitter feed
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 18, 2018, 01:32:14 PM
Seems like a decent way to beg for money.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 18, 2018, 01:42:49 PM
I still haven't seen what is the humane thing to do with children after their felon parents are taken into custody.

I mean, besides call the president a nazi.
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 18, 2018, 01:49:46 PM
Felon?
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Post by: chum1 on June 18, 2018, 01:54:12 PM
Dear dax,

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Post by: sys on June 18, 2018, 01:56:38 PM
I still haven't seen what is the humane thing to do with children after their felon parents are taken into custody.

I mean, besides call the president a nazi.

misdemeanor.  and it appears most are separated before any adjudication re. asylum and/or illegal entry.  there have been numerous more humane suggestions.  family detention, house arrest style anklets, case officers monitoring whereabouts on release, non-criminal deportation.
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Post by: treysolid on June 18, 2018, 02:35:30 PM
how difficult is it to keep a family together as they are processed through the immigration system?
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Post by: OK_Cat on June 18, 2018, 02:37:52 PM
how difficult is it to keep a family together as they are processed through the immigration system?

It’s not. They want to ‘make an example’ of innocent children to try and scare future immigrants. Wonder when the child camps will open on our northern border?


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Post by: treysolid on June 18, 2018, 02:41:15 PM
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-government-has-no-plan-for-reuniting-the-immigrant-families-it-is-tearing-apart?mbid=synd_digg (https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-government-has-no-plan-for-reuniting-the-immigrant-families-it-is-tearing-apart?mbid=synd_digg)

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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 18, 2018, 02:58:16 PM
Apparently the 25 or so years of angst and worry about border children has finally reached a boiling point for the LibBot.





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Post by: mocat on June 18, 2018, 03:18:10 PM
i agree dax, this is just out of the blue
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 18, 2018, 03:27:27 PM
Luis Montes was sanguine about his dire situation, but the ATEP program often leads to migrants being placed in completely unfamiliar surroundings where they are then subject to crime and abuse, according to libertarian outlet Reason.

Sparingly used upon inception, the Obama administration drastically increased the use of ATEP in  2011, responding to a perceived increase in attempts at immigration into the United States by Mexican


https://lawandcrime.com/immigration/obamas-immigration-agencies-separated-children-from-their-families-too-2/

So, we have this account and the WaPo account:

1.  Interrogating children to gather intelligence about Mexican gangs, then sending them back to Mexico

2.  Shipping caught adult immigrants thousands of miles from their original entry point, many times away from their families and then tossing them back to unfamiliar areas where they were subject to crime

But immigrants’ rights activists had long cautioned that Lateral Repatriation breaks up families. The reason is fairly simple: many male Mexican nationals who are detained trying to cross the border often come with their families in tow. When ATEP is used, the men are captured and taken thousands of miles away, while their wives, partners and children are placed in immigrant detention centers.

Eventually, the men are released into vastly different parts of Mexico than where they originally hailed from, while their families are likely to be deported near the original point of attempted entry. Mothers and older female relatives were typically given the option of staying with their children. Typically this meant being housed in a “family detention center,”most of which are located in Texas or Pennsylvania.


But it is now, and only now that the LibBot calls for action.   Coincidence, no doubt.

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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 18, 2018, 03:32:55 PM
That policy sounds a lot better than just rounding up all of the kids and putting them in dog kennels at an old, shut down Walmart facility.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 18, 2018, 03:50:26 PM
That policy sounds a lot better than just rounding up all of the kids and putting them in dog kennels at an old, shut down Walmart facility.

Things like that happened prior to Trump as well . . . I guess you just glossed on over the intelligence collection on Mexican gangs and then deporting them right back to . . .  Mexican Gangs, part.

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Post by: catastrophe on June 18, 2018, 04:21:20 PM
Dax is starting to sound super progressive ITT. I’ve never seen him quote this many WaPo articles to make his point.

We’re catching up with you. I only wish you would have brought these other issues to light sooner.
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 18, 2018, 04:23:56 PM
Minister of propaganda Nielson is really spewing the bullshit
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 18, 2018, 04:28:13 PM
Just a shame the so called national moral compass aka LibBot delegation waited nearly 2.5 decades to make a big deal about these issues, and essentially stood aside for their guy for 8 years as he made a huge mess of things on the border.

Shame . . . shame . . . shame . . .

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Post by: Phil Titola on June 18, 2018, 04:30:19 PM
Just a shame the so called national moral compass aka LibBot delegation waited nearly 2.5 decades to make a big deal about these issues, and essentially stood aside for their guy for 8 years as he made a huge mess of things on the border.

Shame . . . shame . . . shame . . .
It was bad before so Trump making it badder is a-okay guys. Move on.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 18, 2018, 04:49:38 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/18/trump-repeatedly-blames-democrats-for-family-separation-policy.html
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 18, 2018, 04:52:52 PM
Sanders admits these kids are pawns and trump won't sign a bill that deals only with family separation
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 18, 2018, 04:54:18 PM
Sanders admits these kids are pawns and trump won't sign a bill that deals only with family separation

It's biblical to treat children as nothing more than pawns.
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Post by: sys on June 18, 2018, 05:04:05 PM
It's biblical to treat children as nothing more than pawns.

Quote
then esau looked up and saw the women and children.  “who are these with you?” he asked.  jacob answered, “they are the children god has graciously given your servant.”

"these will be useful".  then said esau, to trigger the libs.
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Post by: gatoveintisiete on June 18, 2018, 05:40:14 PM
‘We don’t care enough about family separation to let Trump build a wall!’  :curse:
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 18, 2018, 05:51:32 PM
Just a shame the so called national moral compass aka LibBot delegation waited nearly 2.5 decades to make a big deal about these issues, and essentially stood aside for their guy for 8 years as he made a huge mess of things on the border.

Shame . . . shame . . . shame . . .
It was bad before so Trump making it badder is a-okay guys. Move on.

Sent back to Mexican drug gangs or housed in U.S. government facilities, you decide.

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Post by: catastrophe on June 18, 2018, 06:03:55 PM
It sure seems like nearly every human rights organization weighing in on the issue has determined the current approach is worse. What are your thoughts?
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Post by: gatoveintisiete on June 18, 2018, 06:46:33 PM
You guys are too rigid in your extremism, be pragmatic and make a deal with Trump, it’s not that hard.
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 18, 2018, 07:01:42 PM
I would think the people suggesting that they are forced to separate kids from their parents are the ones who might be a touch rigid in extremism
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 18, 2018, 07:05:22 PM
It sure seems like nearly every human rights organization weighing in on the issue has determined the current approach is worse. What are your thoughts?

Death is not as bad as being housed in a U.S. government facility? 

Once again, as we unfold the policies of the past we have a situation where LibBots have to lash out harder at the current policies because they begin to understand what was going on prior that they paid no attention to because a ProgLib (impostor) was president and they were just complicit little foot soldiers.



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Post by: treysolid on June 18, 2018, 07:09:49 PM
It sure seems like nearly every human rights organization weighing in on the issue has determined the current approach is worse. What are your thoughts?

Death is not as bad as being housed in a U.S. government facility? 

Once again, as we unfold the policies of the past we have a situation where LibBots have to lash out harder at the current policies because they begin to understand what was going on prior that they paid no attention to because a ProgLib (impostor) was president and they were just complicit little foot soldiers.

Tell that to the children who have attempted to commit suicide after being separated from their parents by our government.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 18, 2018, 07:23:33 PM
It sure seems like nearly every human rights organization weighing in on the issue has determined the current approach is worse. What are your thoughts?

Death is not as bad as being housed in a U.S. government facility? 

Once again, as we unfold the policies of the past we have a situation where LibBots have to lash out harder at the current policies because they begin to understand what was going on prior that they paid no attention to because a ProgLib (impostor) was president and they were just complicit little foot soldiers.

Tell that to the children who have attempted to commit suicide after being separated from their parents by our government.

Tragic, but as we can clearly see, various processes for separating children from parents have been in place for a long time.  Again, there were kids being interrogated about Mexican Drug Gangs without the knowledge of their parents (one example).    Fathers ripped away from families, shipped 1200 miles away, tossed back across the border etc. etc.   

Where was the outrage?   There wasn't any, because it didn't get a tenth of the amount of media coverage and yet it impacted thousands upon thousands of people.    The price of complicity.

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Post by: chum1 on June 18, 2018, 07:26:57 PM
Dax is so happy right now.
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 18, 2018, 07:28:23 PM
Beaming
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Post by: OK_Cat on June 18, 2018, 07:34:00 PM
Child abuse to own the libs


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Post by: Phil Titola on June 18, 2018, 07:45:59 PM
Dax claiming this is the better option for these kids is some good ge'ing. Nice work .
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 18, 2018, 07:52:59 PM
Dax also doesn't think being menaced by inescapable drug gangs is a valid reason for asylum, so I'm not sure what his plan is, just keep the kids in prison until they are 18?
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Post by: treysolid on June 18, 2018, 07:59:31 PM
It sure seems like nearly every human rights organization weighing in on the issue has determined the current approach is worse. What are your thoughts?

Death is not as bad as being housed in a U.S. government facility? 

Once again, as we unfold the policies of the past we have a situation where LibBots have to lash out harder at the current policies because they begin to understand what was going on prior that they paid no attention to because a ProgLib (impostor) was president and they were just complicit little foot soldiers.

Tell that to the children who have attempted to commit suicide after being separated from their parents by our government.

Tragic, but as we can clearly see, various processes for separating children from parents have been in place for a long time.  Again, there were kids being interrogated about Mexican Drug Gangs without the knowledge of their parents (one example).    Fathers ripped away from families, shipped 1200 miles away, tossed back across the border etc. etc.   

Where was the outrage?   There wasn't any, because it didn't get a tenth of the amount of media coverage and yet it impacted thousands upon thousands of people.    The price of complicity.

You must be so upset that the current administration has chosen to defend, promulgate and expand the policies of the evil obama administration
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Post by: renocat on June 18, 2018, 08:12:05 PM
We aren't the world's welfare agency.  Load all of these gate crashers on a bus, train or whatever and haul them to their homes.  Or Cuba, or Germany or France.
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Post by: schreds21 on June 18, 2018, 08:33:00 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/illegal-immigration-enforcement-separating-kids-at-border/
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Post by: sys on June 18, 2018, 09:17:27 PM
pretty much all you need to know.

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Post by: wetwillie on June 18, 2018, 09:36:56 PM
Vote your conscience 2.0
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Post by: renocat on June 18, 2018, 09:40:07 PM
Trump don't give a rat's fart what the do.gooders holler.  I doubt any court will tell him not to enforce the law.  The only hope is Super Lawyer Pimp.  Whorey Daniel's lawyer is going to represent migrant mommies.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/392706-avenatti-offers-legal-services-to-migrant-parents-who-have-been
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Post by: catastrophe on June 18, 2018, 09:59:57 PM
pretty much all you need to know.


The last one isn’t so great. Deciding an asylum case within 14 days virtually eliminates the ability to get an attorney (which many pro bono shops provide) and proving an asylum case is not always easy.

With that exception, Ted Cruz might get my vote in the unlikely event he makes this happen in a short time period.
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Post by: wetwillie on June 18, 2018, 10:02:52 PM
Idea and I’m just spitballing here but what if we offered citizenship to anyone that signed up for a 1 year agreement of labor to build the wall.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 18, 2018, 10:07:17 PM
It sure seems like nearly every human rights organization weighing in on the issue has determined the current approach is worse. What are your thoughts?

Death is not as bad as being housed in a U.S. government facility? 

Once again, as we unfold the policies of the past we have a situation where LibBots have to lash out harder at the current policies because they begin to understand what was going on prior that they paid no attention to because a ProgLib (impostor) was president and they were just complicit little foot soldiers.

Tell that to the children who have attempted to commit suicide after being separated from their parents by our government.

Tragic, but as we can clearly see, various processes for separating children from parents have been in place for a long time.  Again, there were kids being interrogated about Mexican Drug Gangs without the knowledge of their parents (one example).    Fathers ripped away from families, shipped 1200 miles away, tossed back across the border etc. etc.   

Where was the outrage?   There wasn't any, because it didn't get a tenth of the amount of media coverage and yet it impacted thousands upon thousands of people.    The price of complicity.

You must be so upset that the current administration has chosen to defend, promulgate and expand the policies of the evil obama administration

Not as upset as I am knowing the New NeoCons are once again been found to have been in full complicity of said policies, had 8 years to fix said policies and instead did nothing (as usual) . . . and now are only Triggered because of Trump.



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Post by: sys on June 18, 2018, 11:33:47 PM
With that exception, Ted Cruz might get my vote in the unlikely event he makes this happen in a short time period.

one can't help but be impressed by his sincerity and humanity.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 12:18:34 AM
(https://am22.akamaized.net/lc/cnt/uploads/2018/05/GettyImages-146392844.jpg)

But he did, not only did they interrogate children to get intelligence on Mexican Drug Gangs, they sent them right back to the Drug Gangs (likely after shipping their dad 1200 miles and then throwing them back across the border into unknown lands). 

But it's good to see that Hillary has now decided to fund raise off the "humanitarian crisis".    Not a bigger piece of crap on the planet, and she's a LibBot hero.

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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 12:21:01 AM
We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.” (Bill Clinton, Remarks At State Of The Union, Washington, D.C., 1/24/95)
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 12:24:26 AM
For the wall, before they were against the wall . . .
“‘I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in"
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Post by: Trim on June 19, 2018, 01:06:21 AM
If obama apologizes to dax for anything and everything, would trump return all the kids to their parents?
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 06:20:58 AM
It’s absolutely true that Congress had a hand in creating this mess and the calls to return to catch and release are just going to create more of the “lost children” that LibBots supposedly have no tolerance for. 

Homeland Security is also claiming that children have been abducted by adults along the way so they could pose as family.  HS is citing “hundreds” of cases of this type.   An issue almost wholly driven by prior catch and release policies. 
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Post by: Phil Titola on June 19, 2018, 07:08:34 AM
Daxbot is overloaded and is now dumping memory throwing out the whole inventory worth of excuses for his buddy.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 07:20:38 AM
Daxbot is overloaded and is now dumping memory throwing out the whole inventory worth of excuses for his buddy.

Just amazed, but never surprised by the hypocrisy of the left. 

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Post by: ChiCat on June 19, 2018, 07:51:32 AM
At least Dax is pulling Whatabouts from the last 25 years instead of Kennedy
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Post by: ChiCat on June 19, 2018, 07:53:45 AM
"Were you outraged as an 8 year old when Clinton said something?  Then you have no right to be upset about anything Trump does!"
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 07:59:34 AM
At least Dax is pulling Whatabouts from the last 25 years instead of Kennedy

The whatabout claim is the ultimate tap out. 

Weird, ProgLibs live in this weird land between wanting open borders and being fully complicit with draconian immigration practices (as long as a Lib is in the White House). 

Just admit it, most ProgLibs didn’t have the first clue as to what was actually going on with immigration and the border under Obama.   Not a clue so many were being deported, no clue about detained and interrogated  children, and no clue about relocate and release, that being just a few things.
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Post by: ChiCat on June 19, 2018, 08:05:48 AM


Just admit it, most ProgLibs didn’t have the first clue as to what was actually going on with immigration and the border under Obama.   Not a clue so many were being deported, no clue about detained and interrogated  children, and no clue about relocate and release, that being just a few things.

99% sure there weren't wal-marts filled with kids and Chairman Mao-esque art of Obama on the walls.

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Post by: chum1 on June 19, 2018, 08:08:42 AM
I'd like to get you a present for your next birthday, dax, but because I didn't know the date of your birth before today, I'm afraid that, even if you tell it to me today, there's just nothing I can do. My hands are tied.
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Post by: Phil Titola on June 19, 2018, 08:25:47 AM
At least Dax is pulling Whatabouts from the last 25 years instead of Kennedy

The whatabout claim is the ultimate tap out. 

Weird, ProgLibs live in this weird land between wanting open borders and being fully complicit with draconian immigration practices (as long as a Lib is in the White House). 

Just admit it, most ProgLibs didn’t have the first clue as to what was actually going on with immigration and the border under Obama.   Not a clue so many were being deported, no clue about detained and interrogated  children, and no clue about relocate and release, that being just a few things.
You have proved you don't know what was going on...you tried to equate Trump's kid jails to ICE deporting families and allowing them the choice to take their US born kid with them....get better talking points.
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Post by: steve dave on June 19, 2018, 08:29:28 AM
Imagine trying to defend this administrations stance on every single issue. Staminatrump.gif


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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 19, 2018, 09:14:19 AM
Imagine trying to defend this administrations stance on every single issue. Staminatrump.gif


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Yeah, trying to legalize marijuana, gambling, jobs, economy, and making history with NK has been horrifying.
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Post by: catastrophe on June 19, 2018, 09:15:39 AM
Of those three tings you just listed, which do you think will actually happen?
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Post by: mocat on June 19, 2018, 09:17:55 AM
jobs were already legal bro
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 19, 2018, 09:27:34 AM
Job growth has already happened, the economy is rocking, delaware was the first state to be able to institute legal betting already (more states to come), and marijuana case was just discussed last week, so you know, maybe give it some time. They're forecasting Kansas and legal betting for 2020 already. Why do you guys hate fun?
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Post by: ChiCat on June 19, 2018, 09:36:01 AM
Job growth has already happened, the economy is rocking, delaware was the first state to be able to institute legal betting already (more states to come), and marijuana case was just discussed last week, so you know, maybe give it some time. They're forecasting Kansas and legal betting for 2020 already. Why do you guys hate fun?

Now being against child internment camps is hating fun :thumbs:
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Post by: Phil Titola on June 19, 2018, 09:37:01 AM
Job growth has already happened, the economy is rocking, delaware was the first state to be able to institute legal betting already (more states to come), and marijuana case was just discussed last week, so you know, maybe give it some time. They're forecasting Kansas and legal betting for 2020 already. Why do you guys hate fun?
Wait. Trump is claiming sports gambling as a win now? Lol. Weed? Lol.
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Post by: mocat on June 19, 2018, 09:49:45 AM
Jeff Sessions has done his best to legalize marijuana, it's true
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 19, 2018, 09:58:29 AM
Job growth has already happened, the economy is rocking, delaware was the first state to be able to institute legal betting already (more states to come), and marijuana case was just discussed last week, so you know, maybe give it some time. They're forecasting Kansas and legal betting for 2020 already. Why do you guys hate fun?
Wait. Trump is claiming sports gambling as a win now? Lol. Weed? Lol.
Trump has been a advocate for legalized sports betting for a long time. He also recently sided in favor of making roots for the legalization of Marijuana. Even lib was a fan.
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Post by: Phil Titola on June 19, 2018, 10:05:55 AM
Job growth has already happened, the economy is rocking, delaware was the first state to be able to institute legal betting already (more states to come), and marijuana case was just discussed last week, so you know, maybe give it some time. They're forecasting Kansas and legal betting for 2020 already. Why do you guys hate fun?
Wait. Trump is claiming sports gambling as a win now? Lol. Weed? Lol.
Trump has been a advocate for legalized sports betting for a long time. He also recently sided in favor of making roots for the legalization of Marijuana. Even lib was a fan.
Dude....scotus decided sports gambling....Trump had nothing to do with it.
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Post by: treysolid on June 19, 2018, 10:06:24 AM
Job growth has already happened, the economy is rocking, delaware was the first state to be able to institute legal betting already (more states to come), and marijuana case was just discussed last week, so you know, maybe give it some time. They're forecasting Kansas and legal betting for 2020 already. Why do you guys hate fun?
Wait. Trump is claiming sports gambling as a win now? Lol. Weed? Lol.
Trump has been a advocate for legalized sports betting for a long time. He also recently sided in favor of making roots for the legalization of Marijuana. Even lib was a fan.

What on earth does legal sports betting have to do with a good economy? (hint: nothing)
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 19, 2018, 10:08:10 AM
How did I equate the two? Hint: I didn't.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 19, 2018, 10:15:47 AM
Job growth has already happened, the economy is rocking, delaware was the first state to be able to institute legal betting already (more states to come), and marijuana case was just discussed last week, so you know, maybe give it some time. They're forecasting Kansas and legal betting for 2020 already. Why do you guys hate fun?
Wait. Trump is claiming sports gambling as a win now? Lol. Weed? Lol.
Trump has been a advocate for legalized sports betting for a long time. He also recently sided in favor of making roots for the legalization of Marijuana. Even lib was a fan.
Dude....scotus decided sports gambling....Trump had nothing to do with it.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=38387.msg1670680#msg1670680
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 19, 2018, 10:45:45 AM
Job growth has already happened, the economy is rocking, delaware was the first state to be able to institute legal betting already (more states to come), and marijuana case was just discussed last week, so you know, maybe give it some time. They're forecasting Kansas and legal betting for 2020 already. Why do you guys hate fun?
Wait. Trump is claiming sports gambling as a win now? Lol. Weed? Lol.
Trump has been a advocate for legalized sports betting for a long time. He also recently sided in favor of making roots for the legalization of Marijuana. Even lib was a fan.
Dude....scotus decided sports gambling....Trump had nothing to do with it.

Neil rough ridin' Gorsuch (no idea if he was in on the ruling)
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 19, 2018, 10:49:43 AM
The libs not giving a crap about these kids or illegal immigration until trump is a pretty strong indication they still don't give a crap about kids or illegal immigration.

Kind of like how they supposedly hated hegemony and war and "free trade" up and until they loved it bc trump.

They have no genuine moral qualms with anything, they simply hate trump and anyone who isn't a libtarded mouthpiece.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Dlew12 on June 19, 2018, 11:04:37 AM
NOTE TO GOP'rs:  Notwithstanding your belief about who started it or who is responsible, it's okay to acknowledge that this is a bad policy that should be changed.
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Post by: mocat on June 19, 2018, 11:13:11 AM
NOTE TO GOP'rs:   it's okay to acknowledge that this is a bad policy that should be changed.

overwhelming evidence suggests it is not okay
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Phil Titola on June 19, 2018, 11:16:16 AM
Job growth has already happened, the economy is rocking, delaware was the first state to be able to institute legal betting already (more states to come), and marijuana case was just discussed last week, so you know, maybe give it some time. They're forecasting Kansas and legal betting for 2020 already. Why do you guys hate fun?
Wait. Trump is claiming sports gambling as a win now? Lol. Weed? Lol.
Trump has been a advocate for legalized sports betting for a long time. He also recently sided in favor of making roots for the legalization of Marijuana. Even lib was a fan.
Dude....scotus decided sports gambling....Trump had nothing to do with it.

Neil rough ridin' Gorsuch (no idea if he was in on the ruling)
Lol
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 11:22:38 AM
The libs not giving a crap about these kids or illegal immigration until trump is a pretty strong indication they still don't give a crap about kids or illegal immigration.

Kind of like how they supposedly hated hegemony and war and "free trade" up and until they loved it bc trump.

They have no genuine moral qualms with anything, they simply hate trump and anyone who isn't a libtarded mouthpiece.

LibBots:  Only perpetually outraged if a Pub is president.

8 years to rectify the border situation and nothing but mixed messages, that only made things ten times worse.

I won't get into the enablement of awful regimes in many Central American countries.

 

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 11:34:10 AM
At least Dax is pulling Whatabouts from the last 25 years instead of Kennedy

The whatabout claim is the ultimate tap out. 

Weird, ProgLibs live in this weird land between wanting open borders and being fully complicit with draconian immigration practices (as long as a Lib is in the White House). 

Just admit it, most ProgLibs didn’t have the first clue as to what was actually going on with immigration and the border under Obama.   Not a clue so many were being deported, no clue about detained and interrogated  children, and no clue about relocate and release, that being just a few things.
You have proved you don't know what was going on...you tried to equate Trump's kid jails to ICE deporting families and allowing them the choice to take their US born kid with them....get better talking points.

What a great "choice".   

Kids were seperated prior to Trump, all the time, fathers were separated from families all the time . . . shipped a thousand miles away and then dumped back across the border.   This is LOL'able faux outrage inline with the discovery that the "caged" kids were pictures from the Obama era.

Now the Triggered LibBot nation are throwing around Nazi and Concentration camps for kids housed in facilities where in many cases they take field trips to the zoo and the museum, attend classes and have fresh made pizzas for lunch.    That's how unhinged your side is, you're comparing the kids eating home made pizzas to people being marched into furnaces by the millions and incinerated.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: michigancat on June 19, 2018, 11:43:03 AM
dax regardless of your views your style ITT is pretty terrible and unproductive. (Even for the pit.)
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 19, 2018, 11:43:57 AM
I see dax caught Laura last night

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Post by: treysolid on June 19, 2018, 11:48:26 AM
At least Dax is pulling Whatabouts from the last 25 years instead of Kennedy

The whatabout claim is the ultimate tap out. 

Weird, ProgLibs live in this weird land between wanting open borders and being fully complicit with draconian immigration practices (as long as a Lib is in the White House). 

Just admit it, most ProgLibs didn’t have the first clue as to what was actually going on with immigration and the border under Obama.   Not a clue so many were being deported, no clue about detained and interrogated  children, and no clue about relocate and release, that being just a few things.
You have proved you don't know what was going on...you tried to equate Trump's kid jails to ICE deporting families and allowing them the choice to take their US born kid with them....get better talking points.

What a great "choice".   

Kids were seperated prior to Trump, all the time, fathers were separated from families all the time . . . shipped a thousand miles away and then dumped back across the border.   This is LOL'able faux outrage inline with the discovery that the "caged" kids were pictures from the Obama era.

Now the Triggered LibBot nation are throwing around Nazi and Concentration camps for kids housed in facilities where in many cases they take field trips to the zoo and the museum, attend classes and have fresh made pizzas for lunch.    That's how unhinged your side is, you're comparing the kids eating home made pizzas to people being marched into furnaces by the millions and incinerated.

why would they take them to a zoo? the kids already know what a cage looks like.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 11:49:06 AM
dax regardless of your views your style ITT is pretty terrible and unproductive. (Even for the pit.)

cRusty, there were numerous references to Concentration camps just in the last few days by the left, and left leaning media.  That's pretty disgusting (but typical). .

My "style" is simply to point out that LibBot nation by and large didn't give two shits about how people were treated at the border until now, and of course will not acknowledge the idiocy of the previous administration in helping to create this mess.  The picture of the girl holding the sign about Obama inviting them in, and then kicking them out tells you all you need to know how how eff'd up their policies were.

Now you've got parents sending kids out on their own, or people using kids as pawns to get asylum because of all the mixed messages.

Productive Rating:  A+

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Phil Titola on June 19, 2018, 11:50:55 AM
dax regardless of your views your style ITT is pretty terrible and unproductive. (Even for the pit.)

cRusty, there were numerous references to Concentration camps just in the last few days by the left, and left leaning media.  That's pretty disgusting (but typical). .

My "style" is simply to point out that LibBot nation by and large didn't give two shits about how people were treated at the border until now, and of course will not acknowledge the idiocy of the previous administration in helping to create this mess.  The picture of the girl holding the sign about Obama inviting them in, and then kicking them out tells you all you need to know how how eff'd up their policies were.

Now you've got parents sending kids out on their own, or people using kids as pawns to get asylum because of all the mixed messages.

Productive Rating:  A+
Dax is against deportation of immigrants. Thanks pretty cool and unexpected.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 11:51:25 AM
At least Dax is pulling Whatabouts from the last 25 years instead of Kennedy

The whatabout claim is the ultimate tap out. 

Weird, ProgLibs live in this weird land between wanting open borders and being fully complicit with draconian immigration practices (as long as a Lib is in the White House). 

Just admit it, most ProgLibs didn’t have the first clue as to what was actually going on with immigration and the border under Obama.   Not a clue so many were being deported, no clue about detained and interrogated  children, and no clue about relocate and release, that being just a few things.
You have proved you don't know what was going on...you tried to equate Trump's kid jails to ICE deporting families and allowing them the choice to take their US born kid with them....get better talking points.

What a great "choice".   

Kids were seperated prior to Trump, all the time, fathers were separated from families all the time . . . shipped a thousand miles away and then dumped back across the border.   This is LOL'able faux outrage inline with the discovery that the "caged" kids were pictures from the Obama era.

Now the Triggered LibBot nation are throwing around Nazi and Concentration camps for kids housed in facilities where in many cases they take field trips to the zoo and the museum, attend classes and have fresh made pizzas for lunch.    That's how unhinged your side is, you're comparing the kids eating home made pizzas to people being marched into furnaces by the millions and incinerated.

why would they take them to a zoo? the kids already know what a cage looks like.

The older ones can tell the younger one's about Obama's dog cages.  But the older one's have probably already been relocated to sponsor families who now likely avoid the government, which in turn creates "lost children", and LibBot nation is triggered by that, as well.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 11:52:25 AM
dax regardless of your views your style ITT is pretty terrible and unproductive. (Even for the pit.)

cRusty, there were numerous references to Concentration camps just in the last few days by the left, and left leaning media.  That's pretty disgusting (but typical). .

My "style" is simply to point out that LibBot nation by and large didn't give two shits about how people were treated at the border until now, and of course will not acknowledge the idiocy of the previous administration in helping to create this mess.  The picture of the girl holding the sign about Obama inviting them in, and then kicking them out tells you all you need to know how how eff'd up their policies were.

Now you've got parents sending kids out on their own, or people using kids as pawns to get asylum because of all the mixed messages.

Productive Rating:  A+
Dax is against deportation of immigrants. Thanks pretty cool and unexpected.

Too bad your guy was the destroyer of dreams for many . . . come on in, answer your phone, report to court, get deported (but hey, you got a choice on the kids).

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Post by: sys on June 19, 2018, 12:09:56 PM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 12:11:55 PM

I know you're the SysBot, but this has likely happened before because the "lost children" are many times placed with sponsors, not their parents (the parents were deported).   

#details

#mixedmessagesfromObama
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Post by: chum1 on June 19, 2018, 12:14:54 PM

I know you're the SysBot, but this has likely happened before because the "lost children" are many times placed with sponsors, not their parents (the parents were deported).   

#details

#mixedmessagesfromObama

Dax will never, ever make the non pos gop list.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 19, 2018, 12:17:10 PM
Cause he's an independent  ;)
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: mocat on June 19, 2018, 12:27:56 PM
obama: if you are here illegally and you commit a felony and allow yourself to get caught and convicted, i mean sorry m8 you have to go back, with or without your kids (it's up to you).

trump: if you are trying to enter the usa with your family illegally, sorry m8 we're taking your kids from you and sending you back without them. probably forever.

dax: two similarities and only zero differences!
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 19, 2018, 12:28:59 PM
Dear dax,


?s=19
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 19, 2018, 12:36:43 PM
LOL, some obama propoganda regarding the newly termed "internment camps" fka "Migrant Child Centers"

?s=19
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 12:48:12 PM
No bigger pos's than the people that decided that now they're going to be concerned about what's going on at the border.   







Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 19, 2018, 12:49:23 PM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: mocat on June 19, 2018, 12:49:34 PM
No bigger pos's than the people that decided that now they're going to be concerned about what's going on at the border.

what about people that decided now that they still don't care?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Phil Titola on June 19, 2018, 12:49:35 PM
LOL, some obama propoganda regarding the newly termed "internment camps" fka "Migrant Child Centers"

?s=19
That's not what people are talking about but please continue reposting one Twitter feed...
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Phil Titola on June 19, 2018, 12:50:43 PM
No bigger pos's than the people that decided that now they're going to be concerned about what's going on at the border.
Yeah sorry dax....country without borders isn't a country. Proud of you not wanting to deport anybody.  Maybe someday.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 12:51:22 PM
Dear dax,


?s=19

She's for whatever fits her agenda that day.   Got 63 million votes, though.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 12:52:49 PM
No bigger pos's than the people that decided that now they're going to be concerned about what's going on at the border.
Yeah sorry dax....country without borders isn't a country. Proud of you not wanting to deport anybody.  Maybe someday.

I don't know how you've arrived at that take, but you are weird, so, I just roll with it.

But once again, it's good to see that you're suddenly so concerned about immigration and what goes on at the border, Phil.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 19, 2018, 12:55:54 PM
When obama ran the internment camps for children it was okay bc they did cultural dances!!
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Kat Kid on June 19, 2018, 12:56:56 PM
dax regardless of your views your style ITT is pretty terrible and unproductive. (Even for the pit.)

cRusty, there were numerous references to Concentration camps just in the last few days by the left, and left leaning media.  That's pretty disgusting (but typical). .

My "style" is simply to point out that LibBot nation by and large didn't give two shits about how people were treated at the border until now, and of course will not acknowledge the idiocy of the previous administration in helping to create this mess.  The picture of the girl holding the sign about Obama inviting them in, and then kicking them out tells you all you need to know how how eff'd up their policies were.

Now you've got parents sending kids out on their own, or people using kids as pawns to get asylum because of all the mixed messages.

Productive Rating:  A+

They absolutely are concentration camps, just as the British used them in the Boer War or the US used against Native Americans or later against Japanese Americans during internment or, yes, the concentration camps that Nazi Germany used. Just because there are uncomfortable parallels to more evil things that have happened does not mean that the term is not apt. Taking people's rosaries and wedding rings or saying that the children "are going to take a bath" and then never being taken away from their parents has some pretty terrible historical resonance even if people aren't being exterminated.


and FTR Hillary can eff off.
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Post by: OK_Cat on June 19, 2018, 12:58:17 PM
Not surprising that Dax took another day off of work to vigorously defend kidnapping children.


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Post by: chum1 on June 19, 2018, 01:00:05 PM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 01:03:13 PM
dax regardless of your views your style ITT is pretty terrible and unproductive. (Even for the pit.)

cRusty, there were numerous references to Concentration camps just in the last few days by the left, and left leaning media.  That's pretty disgusting (but typical). .

My "style" is simply to point out that LibBot nation by and large didn't give two shits about how people were treated at the border until now, and of course will not acknowledge the idiocy of the previous administration in helping to create this mess.  The picture of the girl holding the sign about Obama inviting them in, and then kicking them out tells you all you need to know how how eff'd up their policies were.

Now you've got parents sending kids out on their own, or people using kids as pawns to get asylum because of all the mixed messages.

Productive Rating:  A+

They absolutely are concentration camps, just as the British used them in the Boer War or the US used against Native Americans or later against Japanese Americans during internment or, yes, the concentration camps that Nazi Germany used. Just because there are uncomfortable parallels to more evil things that have happened does not mean that the term is not apt. Taking people's rosaries and wedding rings or saying that the children "are going to take a bath" and then never being taken away from their parents has some pretty terrible historical resonance even if people aren't being exterminated.


and FTR Hillary can eff off.

So what do you do with the 80% of the kids who came to the border without adult supervision or with people who are not their parents (and in many cases are bad people). 

In most cases they are held until they can figure out where to put them.   

But again, I am appreciating that LibBots are now suddenly so very concerned with what happens to kids at the border, when the exact same types of things were happening under prior administrations, and we never heard a word about it, and very little media coverage.

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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 19, 2018, 01:05:29 PM
LOL, some obama propoganda regarding the newly termed "internment camps" fka "Migrant Child Centers"

?s=19
Holy crap. That's a lot.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Kat Kid on June 19, 2018, 01:06:51 PM

Obama left Trump with the keys to an imperial presidency and did almost nothing to hold the people who had abused power previous to his administration (or during it) accountable. Obama owns a lot of this, but Trump and co. and deliberate in their wanting to inflict suffering on the people that they have in their custody. It isn't some mystery, they talk about it all the time.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 19, 2018, 01:07:53 PM
OMG! Is she still campaigning. Someone needs to let her know the election is over.  :frown:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Kat Kid on June 19, 2018, 01:08:37 PM
dax regardless of your views your style ITT is pretty terrible and unproductive. (Even for the pit.)

cRusty, there were numerous references to Concentration camps just in the last few days by the left, and left leaning media.  That's pretty disgusting (but typical). .

My "style" is simply to point out that LibBot nation by and large didn't give two shits about how people were treated at the border until now, and of course will not acknowledge the idiocy of the previous administration in helping to create this mess.  The picture of the girl holding the sign about Obama inviting them in, and then kicking them out tells you all you need to know how how eff'd up their policies were.

Now you've got parents sending kids out on their own, or people using kids as pawns to get asylum because of all the mixed messages.

Productive Rating:  A+

They absolutely are concentration camps, just as the British used them in the Boer War or the US used against Native Americans or later against Japanese Americans during internment or, yes, the concentration camps that Nazi Germany used. Just because there are uncomfortable parallels to more evil things that have happened does not mean that the term is not apt. Taking people's rosaries and wedding rings or saying that the children "are going to take a bath" and then never being taken away from their parents has some pretty terrible historical resonance even if people aren't being exterminated.


and FTR Hillary can eff off.

So what do you do with the 80% of the kids who came to the border without adult supervision or with people who are not their parents (and in many cases are bad people). 

In most cases they are held until they can figure out where to put them.   

But again, I am appreciating that LibBots are now suddenly so very concerned with what happens to kids at the border, when the exact same types of things were happening under prior administrations, and we never heard a word about it, and very little media coverage.

Dax, we already talked about all of this crap during the Obama administration. Who are you talking to?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: OK_Cat on June 19, 2018, 01:09:13 PM
Fanning, do you agree that these children should be held in cages away from their parents? Yes or no?


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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 01:09:25 PM
Where were the resident LibBots when the previous administration was ramping up ATEP or Lateral Repatriation?:

But immigrants’ rights activists had long cautioned that Lateral Repatriation breaks up families. The reason is fairly simple: many male Mexican nationals who are detained trying to cross the border often come with their families in tow. When ATEP is used, the men are captured and taken thousands of miles away, while their wives, partners and children are placed in immigrant detention centers.

https://lawandcrime.com/immigration/obamas-immigration-agencies-separated-children-from-their-families-too-2/
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 01:10:09 PM
dax regardless of your views your style ITT is pretty terrible and unproductive. (Even for the pit.)

cRusty, there were numerous references to Concentration camps just in the last few days by the left, and left leaning media.  That's pretty disgusting (but typical). .

My "style" is simply to point out that LibBot nation by and large didn't give two shits about how people were treated at the border until now, and of course will not acknowledge the idiocy of the previous administration in helping to create this mess.  The picture of the girl holding the sign about Obama inviting them in, and then kicking them out tells you all you need to know how how eff'd up their policies were.

Now you've got parents sending kids out on their own, or people using kids as pawns to get asylum because of all the mixed messages.

Productive Rating:  A+

They absolutely are concentration camps, just as the British used them in the Boer War or the US used against Native Americans or later against Japanese Americans during internment or, yes, the concentration camps that Nazi Germany used. Just because there are uncomfortable parallels to more evil things that have happened does not mean that the term is not apt. Taking people's rosaries and wedding rings or saying that the children "are going to take a bath" and then never being taken away from their parents has some pretty terrible historical resonance even if people aren't being exterminated.


and FTR Hillary can eff off.

So what do you do with the 80% of the kids who came to the border without adult supervision or with people who are not their parents (and in many cases are bad people). 

In most cases they are held until they can figure out where to put them.   

But again, I am appreciating that LibBots are now suddenly so very concerned with what happens to kids at the border, when the exact same types of things were happening under prior administrations, and we never heard a word about it, and very little media coverage.

Dax, we already talked about all of this crap during the Obama administration. Who are you talking to?

Nonsense

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: OK_Cat on June 19, 2018, 01:10:17 PM
Dax, do you agree that these children should be held in cages away from their parents?

Yes or no?


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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 19, 2018, 01:10:47 PM
NEXT: Hilltard on the importance of protecting classified information
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: OK_Cat on June 19, 2018, 01:11:42 PM
FSD, do you agree that these children should be held in cages away from their parents?

Yes or no?


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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 19, 2018, 01:13:43 PM
dax regardless of your views your style ITT is pretty terrible and unproductive. (Even for the pit.)

cRusty, there were numerous references to Concentration camps just in the last few days by the left, and left leaning media.  That's pretty disgusting (but typical). .

My "style" is simply to point out that LibBot nation by and large didn't give two shits about how people were treated at the border until now, and of course will not acknowledge the idiocy of the previous administration in helping to create this mess.  The picture of the girl holding the sign about Obama inviting them in, and then kicking them out tells you all you need to know how how eff'd up their policies were.

Now you've got parents sending kids out on their own, or people using kids as pawns to get asylum because of all the mixed messages.

Productive Rating:  A+

They absolutely are concentration camps, just as the British used them in the Boer War or the US used against Native Americans or later against Japanese Americans during internment or, yes, the concentration camps that Nazi Germany used. Just because there are uncomfortable parallels to more evil things that have happened does not mean that the term is not apt. Taking people's rosaries and wedding rings or saying that the children "are going to take a bath" and then never being taken away from their parents has some pretty terrible historical resonance even if people aren't being exterminated.


and FTR Hillary can eff off.

So what do you do with the 80% of the kids who came to the border without adult supervision or with people who are not their parents (and in many cases are bad people). 

In most cases they are held until they can figure out where to put them.   

But again, I am appreciating that LibBots are now suddenly so very concerned with what happens to kids at the border, when the exact same types of things were happening under prior administrations, and we never heard a word about it, and very little media coverage.

In those cases, you aren't separating the kids from their parents, dax. They are already separated. You keep talking about it like it's the same thing when it is clearly not the same thing.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 19, 2018, 01:13:55 PM
Fanning, do you agree that these children should be held in cages away from their parents? Yes or no?


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Why would I believe that? Of course not. Sounds like this has been a problem for quite sometime, so that's my only problem with it. But it's Trump and people ignored it until he was president. So let's blow this mother rough rider up. Just like with everything he does, whether good or bad.

Libs went from fawning over kim's sister and saying that she stole the show at the olympics to lol'ing at Trump because he couldn't close the NK deal to lol'ing and curving a new direction saying it was a PR move and he got nothing done and how dare he have an American flag next to a NK one. You just really can't make this stuff up and it's quite entertaining to watch.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: OK_Cat on June 19, 2018, 01:15:19 PM
So your answer is no, you don’t agree with what’s happening.

So why are you defending it?


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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 19, 2018, 01:17:05 PM
I'm not defending it, i'm lol'ing at how now people are freaking out about it, but didn't give a damn about it the previous 8 years.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 19, 2018, 01:18:32 PM
And if they claim that they didn't know about it then, maybe the left wing media should do a better job educating their ppl, even if the news story has warts on it.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Phil Titola on June 19, 2018, 01:18:50 PM
Fanning, do you agree that these children should be held in cages away from their parents? Yes or no?


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Why would I believe that? Of course not. Sounds like this has been a problem for quite sometime, so that's my only problem with it. But it's Trump and people ignored it until he was president. So let's blow this mother rough rider up. Just like with everything he does, whether good or bad.

Libs went from fawning over kim's sister and saying that she stole the show at the olympics to lol'ing at Trump because he couldn't close the NK deal to lol'ing and curving a new direction saying it was a PR move and he got nothing done and how dare he have an American flag next to a NK one. You just really can't make this stuff up and it's quite entertaining to watch.
It hasn't been a problem for quite some time. It takes 30 seconds to find out the difference and dax is trying to muddy up the topic.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 01:19:38 PM
No, OKC, but if the adults are charged with a crime, it's illegal to house children with adults charged with a crime.  This isn't hard.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Phil Titola on June 19, 2018, 01:20:09 PM
And if they claim that they didn't know about it then, maybe the left wing media should do a better job educating their ppl, even if the news story has warts on it.
Sad if anybody thinks this is the role of media....but shows why we are in the mess we are in media wise.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: OK_Cat on June 19, 2018, 01:21:04 PM
No, OKC, but if the adults are charged with a crime, it's illegal to house children with adults charged with a crime.  This isn't hard.

So you don’t agree that children should be held in cages away from their parents. That’s a good first step.


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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 01:22:28 PM
dax regardless of your views your style ITT is pretty terrible and unproductive. (Even for the pit.)

cRusty, there were numerous references to Concentration camps just in the last few days by the left, and left leaning media.  That's pretty disgusting (but typical). .

My "style" is simply to point out that LibBot nation by and large didn't give two shits about how people were treated at the border until now, and of course will not acknowledge the idiocy of the previous administration in helping to create this mess.  The picture of the girl holding the sign about Obama inviting them in, and then kicking them out tells you all you need to know how how eff'd up their policies were.

Now you've got parents sending kids out on their own, or people using kids as pawns to get asylum because of all the mixed messages.

Productive Rating:  A+

They absolutely are concentration camps, just as the British used them in the Boer War or the US used against Native Americans or later against Japanese Americans during internment or, yes, the concentration camps that Nazi Germany used. Just because there are uncomfortable parallels to more evil things that have happened does not mean that the term is not apt. Taking people's rosaries and wedding rings or saying that the children "are going to take a bath" and then never being taken away from their parents has some pretty terrible historical resonance even if people aren't being exterminated.


and FTR Hillary can eff off.

So what do you do with the 80% of the kids who came to the border without adult supervision or with people who are not their parents (and in many cases are bad people). 

In most cases they are held until they can figure out where to put them.   

But again, I am appreciating that LibBots are now suddenly so very concerned with what happens to kids at the border, when the exact same types of things were happening under prior administrations, and we never heard a word about it, and very little media coverage.

In those cases, you aren't separating the kids from their parents, dax. They are already separated. You keep talking about it like it's the same thing when it is clearly not the same thing.

I already posted where Lateral Repatriation did take at least one parent away from their kid, and we don't know what happened when the rest got to the detention centers, because no cared enough to report on it, back then.



Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Phil Titola on June 19, 2018, 01:25:45 PM
dax regardless of your views your style ITT is pretty terrible and unproductive. (Even for the pit.)

cRusty, there were numerous references to Concentration camps just in the last few days by the left, and left leaning media.  That's pretty disgusting (but typical). .

My "style" is simply to point out that LibBot nation by and large didn't give two shits about how people were treated at the border until now, and of course will not acknowledge the idiocy of the previous administration in helping to create this mess.  The picture of the girl holding the sign about Obama inviting them in, and then kicking them out tells you all you need to know how how eff'd up their policies were.

Now you've got parents sending kids out on their own, or people using kids as pawns to get asylum because of all the mixed messages.

Productive Rating:  A+

They absolutely are concentration camps, just as the British used them in the Boer War or the US used against Native Americans or later against Japanese Americans during internment or, yes, the concentration camps that Nazi Germany used. Just because there are uncomfortable parallels to more evil things that have happened does not mean that the term is not apt. Taking people's rosaries and wedding rings or saying that the children "are going to take a bath" and then never being taken away from their parents has some pretty terrible historical resonance even if people aren't being exterminated.


and FTR Hillary can eff off.

So what do you do with the 80% of the kids who came to the border without adult supervision or with people who are not their parents (and in many cases are bad people). 

In most cases they are held until they can figure out where to put them.   

But again, I am appreciating that LibBots are now suddenly so very concerned with what happens to kids at the border, when the exact same types of things were happening under prior administrations, and we never heard a word about it, and very little media coverage.

In those cases, you aren't separating the kids from their parents, dax. They are already separated. You keep talking about it like it's the same thing when it is clearly not the same thing.

I already posted where Lateral Repatriation did take at least one parent away from their kid, and we don't know what happened when the rest got to the detention centers, because no cared enough to report on it, back then.
Don't forget all those international humanitarian organizations willfully ignorned it too....and UN....Obama had all of them under his deep state thumb
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Dlew12 on June 19, 2018, 01:41:17 PM
would cruz's proposal (the aims of which are quoted below) solve this? 

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Double the number of federal immigration judges, from roughly 375 to 750.

Authorize new temporary shelters, with accommodations to keep families together.

Mandate that illegal immigrant families be kept together, absent aggravated criminal conduct or threat of harm to the children.

Provide for expedited processing and review of asylum cases, so that — within 14 days — those who meet the legal standards will be granted asylum, and those who do not will be immediately returned to their home countries.
from what i've read, people are critical of the two week processing because it's unrealistic.  but otherwise this seems to address the issues.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: ChiCat on June 19, 2018, 01:43:34 PM
I'm not defending it, i'm lol'ing at how now people are freaking out about it, but didn't give a damn about it the previous 8 years.

From my understanding, the centers were largely serving unaccompanied minors as opposed to unaccompanying the minors.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: chum1 on June 19, 2018, 01:53:12 PM
So, one reason people might be more outraged now than before is that they think the Trump admin is actively attempting to keep brown people out of the country because they are racists. Travel ban, DACA, separating children from parents. Could be a theme here! Maybe people find it objectionable! I don't know! It's a pretty big mystery! :dunno:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 02:04:35 PM
dax regardless of your views your style ITT is pretty terrible and unproductive. (Even for the pit.)

cRusty, there were numerous references to Concentration camps just in the last few days by the left, and left leaning media.  That's pretty disgusting (but typical). .

My "style" is simply to point out that LibBot nation by and large didn't give two shits about how people were treated at the border until now, and of course will not acknowledge the idiocy of the previous administration in helping to create this mess.  The picture of the girl holding the sign about Obama inviting them in, and then kicking them out tells you all you need to know how how eff'd up their policies were.

Now you've got parents sending kids out on their own, or people using kids as pawns to get asylum because of all the mixed messages.

Productive Rating:  A+

They absolutely are concentration camps, just as the British used them in the Boer War or the US used against Native Americans or later against Japanese Americans during internment or, yes, the concentration camps that Nazi Germany used. Just because there are uncomfortable parallels to more evil things that have happened does not mean that the term is not apt. Taking people's rosaries and wedding rings or saying that the children "are going to take a bath" and then never being taken away from their parents has some pretty terrible historical resonance even if people aren't being exterminated.


and FTR Hillary can eff off.

So what do you do with the 80% of the kids who came to the border without adult supervision or with people who are not their parents (and in many cases are bad people). 

In most cases they are held until they can figure out where to put them.   

But again, I am appreciating that LibBots are now suddenly so very concerned with what happens to kids at the border, when the exact same types of things were happening under prior administrations, and we never heard a word about it, and very little media coverage.

In those cases, you aren't separating the kids from their parents, dax. They are already separated. You keep talking about it like it's the same thing when it is clearly not the same thing.

I already posted where Lateral Repatriation did take at least one parent away from their kid, and we don't know what happened when the rest got to the detention centers, because no cared enough to report on it, back then.
Don't forget all those international humanitarian organizations willfully ignorned it too....and UN....Obama had all of them under his deep state thumb

Yep, everything was great except:  If you got laterally repatriated, or interrogated about drug gangs and then sent back to the drug gangs, or were held in Dog cages . . .


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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 02:11:58 PM
EU proposing facilities outside of EU. So immigrants don’t even get to the promised land.  Go to the facility and they decide your fate.  Kicked back to the hell hole or exited out back to the waiting bus? 

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Kat Kid on June 19, 2018, 02:19:57 PM
would cruz's proposal (the aims of which are quoted below) solve this? 

Quote
Double the number of federal immigration judges, from roughly 375 to 750.

Authorize new temporary shelters, with accommodations to keep families together.

Mandate that illegal immigrant families be kept together, absent aggravated criminal conduct or threat of harm to the children.

Provide for expedited processing and review of asylum cases, so that — within 14 days — those who meet the legal standards will be granted asylum, and those who do not will be immediately returned to their home countries.
from what i've read, people are critical of the two week processing because it's unrealistic.  but otherwise this seems to address the issues.

I think the two biggest problems are that it doesn't do anything to accommodate the representation of the people seeking asylum and Trump admin will just rubber stamp deny these claims by either altering the things that can be considered or using the 14 day limit to prevent people from building any case.

People shouldn't be detained anyway, take down their information, give them a court date, if they no-show then go from there.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 19, 2018, 02:26:55 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/19/politics/george-takei-family-separation-op-ed/index.html
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Spracne on June 19, 2018, 02:29:04 PM
14 days will rarely be enough time to gather all the evidence needed to win an asylum case, even if represented by a reasonably competent attorney.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 02:37:41 PM
would cruz's proposal (the aims of which are quoted below) solve this? 

Quote
Double the number of federal immigration judges, from roughly 375 to 750.

Authorize new temporary shelters, with accommodations to keep families together.

Mandate that illegal immigrant families be kept together, absent aggravated criminal conduct or threat of harm to the children.

Provide for expedited processing and review of asylum cases, so that — within 14 days — those who meet the legal standards will be granted asylum, and those who do not will be immediately returned to their home countries.
from what i've read, people are critical of the two week processing because it's unrealistic.  but otherwise this seems to address the issues.

I think the two biggest problems are that it doesn't do anything to accommodate the representation of the people seeking asylum and Trump admin will just rubber stamp deny these claims by either altering the things that can be considered or using the 14 day limit to prevent people from building any case.

People shouldn't be detained anyway, take down their information, give them a court date, if they no-show then go from there.

So essentially an open border and/or furtherance of the "lost child" situation which LibBots apparently have no tolerance for when a 'Pub is president??

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: treysolid on June 19, 2018, 02:40:04 PM
when the "crime" in question is stepping over an invisible line, I think that any reasonable person can see that the parents don't pose a threat to their children.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Dlew12 on June 19, 2018, 02:46:45 PM
would cruz's proposal (the aims of which are quoted below) solve this? 

Quote
Double the number of federal immigration judges, from roughly 375 to 750.

Authorize new temporary shelters, with accommodations to keep families together.

Mandate that illegal immigrant families be kept together, absent aggravated criminal conduct or threat of harm to the children.

Provide for expedited processing and review of asylum cases, so that — within 14 days — those who meet the legal standards will be granted asylum, and those who do not will be immediately returned to their home countries.
from what i've read, people are critical of the two week processing because it's unrealistic.  but otherwise this seems to address the issues.

I think the two biggest problems are that it doesn't do anything to accommodate the representation of the people seeking asylum and Trump admin will just rubber stamp deny these claims by either altering the things that can be considered or using the 14 day limit to prevent people from building any case.

People shouldn't be detained anyway, take down their information, give them a court date, if they no-show then go from there.
So let people declare asylum at a point of entry or within 1 year.  After declaring, take their info*, put them in a database, and give them a court date.

If they skip court or don't declare within a year, f'em ban'em? 

*this is probably an ignorant question, but, in general, do people that cross the border have "information" such that if they do skip court they can be identified?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 19, 2018, 02:49:00 PM
would cruz's proposal (the aims of which are quoted below) solve this? 

Quote
Double the number of federal immigration judges, from roughly 375 to 750.

Authorize new temporary shelters, with accommodations to keep families together.

Mandate that illegal immigrant families be kept together, absent aggravated criminal conduct or threat of harm to the children.

Provide for expedited processing and review of asylum cases, so that — within 14 days — those who meet the legal standards will be granted asylum, and those who do not will be immediately returned to their home countries.
from what i've read, people are critical of the two week processing because it's unrealistic.  but otherwise this seems to address the issues.

I think the two biggest problems are that it doesn't do anything to accommodate the representation of the people seeking asylum and Trump admin will just rubber stamp deny these claims by either altering the things that can be considered or using the 14 day limit to prevent people from building any case.

People shouldn't be detained anyway, take down their information, give them a court date, if they no-show then go from there.
So let people declare asylum at a point of entry or within 1 year.  After declaring, take their info*, put them in a database, and give them a court date.

If they skip court or don't declare within a year, f'em ban'em? 

*this is probably an ignorant question, but, in general, do people that cross the border have "information" such that if they do skip court they can be identified?

We could give them ankle monitors.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Dlew12 on June 19, 2018, 02:52:48 PM
would cruz's proposal (the aims of which are quoted below) solve this? 

Quote
Double the number of federal immigration judges, from roughly 375 to 750.

Authorize new temporary shelters, with accommodations to keep families together.

Mandate that illegal immigrant families be kept together, absent aggravated criminal conduct or threat of harm to the children.

Provide for expedited processing and review of asylum cases, so that — within 14 days — those who meet the legal standards will be granted asylum, and those who do not will be immediately returned to their home countries.
from what i've read, people are critical of the two week processing because it's unrealistic.  but otherwise this seems to address the issues.

I think the two biggest problems are that it doesn't do anything to accommodate the representation of the people seeking asylum and Trump admin will just rubber stamp deny these claims by either altering the things that can be considered or using the 14 day limit to prevent people from building any case.

People shouldn't be detained anyway, take down their information, give them a court date, if they no-show then go from there.
So let people declare asylum at a point of entry or within 1 year.  After declaring, take their info*, put them in a database, and give them a court date.

If they skip court or don't declare within a year, f'em ban'em? 

*this is probably an ignorant question, but, in general, do people that cross the border have "information" such that if they do skip court they can be identified?

We could give them ankle monitors.
that seems like a good idea - at least to someone like me who has no real insight into any of this.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 19, 2018, 03:06:19 PM
So, you libtards believe the 30,000+ kids obama set up in cultural daycamp (same facility now know as nazi prison camp-) wandered across the border unaccompanied by an adult, but all the several hundred kids trump is imprisoning is new Auschwitz (fka obama summer funfest) are being torn from their parents.

That seems pretty goddamn naive.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 19, 2018, 03:07:56 PM
I have a feeling fsd is a holocaust denier as well
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 19, 2018, 03:08:08 PM
FSD, do you agree that these children should be held in cages away from their parents?

Yes or no?


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We keep you in a cage*, don't we??? We don't feed you though, so technically you are less important.


*assumed poor apartment dweller
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 19, 2018, 03:09:45 PM
I mean, I know the russia thing is going shittily for the dems, but good grief tone down the selective outrage.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 19, 2018, 03:12:47 PM
would cruz's proposal (the aims of which are quoted below) solve this? 

Quote
Double the number of federal immigration judges, from roughly 375 to 750.

Authorize new temporary shelters, with accommodations to keep families together.

Mandate that illegal immigrant families be kept together, absent aggravated criminal conduct or threat of harm to the children.

Provide for expedited processing and review of asylum cases, so that — within 14 days — those who meet the legal standards will be granted asylum, and those who do not will be immediately returned to their home countries.
from what i've read, people are critical of the two week processing because it's unrealistic.  but otherwise this seems to address the issues.

There is negative zero chance any dem rep would ever sign a bill sponsored by Cruz.  Notwithstanding, there is now way the dems are going to allow the pubs to take credit for saving the world from their manufactured crisis, they would defund the food and medicine and let these kids die before that happened.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: OK_Cat on June 19, 2018, 03:12:48 PM
So FSD’s non answer means he supports keeping children in cages away from their parents.


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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Kat Kid on June 19, 2018, 03:13:47 PM
would cruz's proposal (the aims of which are quoted below) solve this? 

Quote
Double the number of federal immigration judges, from roughly 375 to 750.

Authorize new temporary shelters, with accommodations to keep families together.

Mandate that illegal immigrant families be kept together, absent aggravated criminal conduct or threat of harm to the children.

Provide for expedited processing and review of asylum cases, so that — within 14 days — those who meet the legal standards will be granted asylum, and those who do not will be immediately returned to their home countries.
from what i've read, people are critical of the two week processing because it's unrealistic.  but otherwise this seems to address the issues.

I think the two biggest problems are that it doesn't do anything to accommodate the representation of the people seeking asylum and Trump admin will just rubber stamp deny these claims by either altering the things that can be considered or using the 14 day limit to prevent people from building any case.

People shouldn't be detained anyway, take down their information, give them a court date, if they no-show then go from there.
So let people declare asylum at a point of entry or within 1 year.  After declaring, take their info*, put them in a database, and give them a court date.

If they skip court or don't declare within a year, f'em ban'em? 

*this is probably an ignorant question, but, in general, do people that cross the border have "information" such that if they do skip court they can be identified?

Why should someone not even being accused of a crime be locked up indefinitely? Why should people be denied any due process so Ted Cruz can try to score a cheap political point?


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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 19, 2018, 03:16:57 PM
So FSD’s non answer means he supports keeping children in cages away from their parents.


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Yes, but he also denies it's happening
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 19, 2018, 03:17:09 PM
would cruz's proposal (the aims of which are quoted below) solve this? 

Quote
Double the number of federal immigration judges, from roughly 375 to 750.

Authorize new temporary shelters, with accommodations to keep families together.

Mandate that illegal immigrant families be kept together, absent aggravated criminal conduct or threat of harm to the children.

Provide for expedited processing and review of asylum cases, so that — within 14 days — those who meet the legal standards will be granted asylum, and those who do not will be immediately returned to their home countries.
from what i've read, people are critical of the two week processing because it's unrealistic.  but otherwise this seems to address the issues.

I think the two biggest problems are that it doesn't do anything to accommodate the representation of the people seeking asylum and Trump admin will just rubber stamp deny these claims by either altering the things that can be considered or using the 14 day limit to prevent people from building any case.

People shouldn't be detained anyway, take down their information, give them a court date, if they no-show then go from there.
So let people declare asylum at a point of entry or within 1 year.  After declaring, take their info*, put them in a database, and give them a court date.

If they skip court or don't declare within a year, f'em ban'em? 

*this is probably an ignorant question, but, in general, do people that cross the border have "information" such that if they do skip court they can be identified?

Why should someone not even being accused of a crime be locked up indefinitely? Why should people be denied any due process so Ted Cruz can try to score a cheap political point?


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So anyone illegally crossing the border can just say "asylum" and walk free?

That's a really rough ridin' shitty stupid dangerous policy that created the systemic crap show that is our current immigration system. All so the dems could win California by 25 points instead of 23.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Dlew12 on June 19, 2018, 03:20:53 PM
Why should someone not even being accused of a crime be locked up indefinitely? Why should people be denied any due process so Ted Cruz can try to score a cheap political point?

I'm not disputing anything you're saying.  I was just asking what you thought.  Your general idea seems ok to me assuming it's workable (i.e. there being a reasonable way to account for people who miss their court date).
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Kat Kid on June 19, 2018, 03:27:36 PM
would cruz's proposal (the aims of which are quoted below) solve this? 

Quote
Double the number of federal immigration judges, from roughly 375 to 750.

Authorize new temporary shelters, with accommodations to keep families together.

Mandate that illegal immigrant families be kept together, absent aggravated criminal conduct or threat of harm to the children.

Provide for expedited processing and review of asylum cases, so that — within 14 days — those who meet the legal standards will be granted asylum, and those who do not will be immediately returned to their home countries.
from what i've read, people are critical of the two week processing because it's unrealistic.  but otherwise this seems to address the issues.

I think the two biggest problems are that it doesn't do anything to accommodate the representation of the people seeking asylum and Trump admin will just rubber stamp deny these claims by either altering the things that can be considered or using the 14 day limit to prevent people from building any case.

People shouldn't be detained anyway, take down their information, give them a court date, if they no-show then go from there.
So let people declare asylum at a point of entry or within 1 year.  After declaring, take their info*, put them in a database, and give them a court date.

If they skip court or don't declare within a year, f'em ban'em? 

*this is probably an ignorant question, but, in general, do people that cross the border have "information" such that if they do skip court they can be identified?

Why should someone not even being accused of a crime be locked up indefinitely? Why should people be denied any due process so Ted Cruz can try to score a cheap political point?


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So anyone illegally crossing the border can just say "asylum" and walk free?

That's a really rough ridin' shitty stupid dangerous policy that created the systemic crap show that is our current immigration system. All so the dems could win California by 25 points instead of 23.

They are already separating parents from children when people present themselves at the border and claim asylum. There is nothing “illegal” about claiming asylum. Detaining people until their asylum hearing is inhumane enough, but separating the families is particularly cruel.

The rest of the post is unhinged and racist, as is your wont.


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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 03:32:10 PM
Hey look, more bad legislation headed our way.    8 years of Obama to sort this out, but now lets take advantage of a political 'crisis' for more shitty bills.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/06/19/democrats-border-separation-bill-let-nearly-parents-commit-federal-crimes-get-off-scot-free/
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 03:34:31 PM
n reality, all of this could be solved with simple legislation. The House of Representatives is actually set to take up the issue of family separation in both versions of the immigration bill being presented in the House. But Democrats probably won’t sign on to either bill — and it’s unlikely they’d even sign onto an independent piece of legislation designed to allow children to stay with their illegal-immigrant parents until their cases can be adjudicated. That’s because thanks to biased media coverage — and, in some cases, outright falsehoods — Democrats are winning the public-relations war. The longer the Democrats prevent a solution from arising, the more they gain in the public-opinion polls. So they have little incentive to come to the table around an immigration solution — their better political option remains to wait Trump out and let the press inflict damage on him. There’s a reason every Republican attempt at immigration reform has stalled out over the past two decades — and there’s a reason Democrats have celebrated every time they have. There’s also a reason that Democrats with unified control of the presidency and Congress attempted no serious immigration reform. Better to let the problem fester for political gain than to attempt to solve it.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/immigration-debate-family-separation-media-coverage-misleading/
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 19, 2018, 04:02:16 PM
All of this could be solved without any legislation at all if the president wasn't such a piece of crap human being.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 04:05:03 PM
All of this could be solved without any legislation at all if the president wasn't such a piece of crap human being.

Yes, the border, it was going great before.

In fact, let's just dump immigration reform altogether.

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Post by: catastrophe on June 19, 2018, 04:23:57 PM
Hey look, more bad legislation headed our way.    8 years of Obama to sort this out, but now lets take advantage of a political 'crisis' for more shitty bills.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/06/19/democrats-border-separation-bill-let-nearly-parents-commit-federal-crimes-get-off-scot-free/

I'm not sure I've ever read a more scathing technical analysis of a piece of legislation that will never get considered, much less passed.
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Post by: OK_Cat on June 19, 2018, 04:30:34 PM
All of this could be solved without any legislation at all if the president wasn't such a piece of crap human being.

Yes, the border, it was going great before.

In fact, let's just dump immigration reform altogether.

Yeah, definitely what’s happening here. It’s either control our borders and cage children or just say ‘eff it’ and let everybody in.


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Post by: sys on June 19, 2018, 04:32:06 PM
cruz doesn't even have a bill, just a tweet talking about what he'd like a bill to be.  feinstein has an actual bill written that resolves the issue of family separation that has support from 49 senators.
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Post by: sys on June 19, 2018, 04:52:23 PM
Hey look, more bad legislation headed our way.    8 years of Obama to sort this out, but now lets take advantage of a political 'crisis' for more shitty bills.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/06/19/democrats-border-separation-bill-let-nearly-parents-commit-federal-crimes-get-off-scot-free/

I'm not sure I've ever read a more scathing technical analysis of a piece of legislation that will never get considered, much less passed.

i'm not even a lawyer and i could recognize that it that "analysis" was complete horseshit.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 05:16:23 PM
Hey look, more bad legislation headed our way.    8 years of Obama to sort this out, but now lets take advantage of a political 'crisis' for more shitty bills.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/06/19/democrats-border-separation-bill-let-nearly-parents-commit-federal-crimes-get-off-scot-free/

I'm not sure I've ever read a more scathing technical analysis of a piece of legislation that will never get considered, much less passed.

i'm not even a lawyer and i could recognize that it that "analysis" was complete horseshit.

You're going to say that every time, SysBot.

The final straw in totally disregarding any link you post was the link to the guy implying negotiating arms control with NK in 2018 is exactly the same as negotiating arms control with NK in 1996 or 1985.   If that's your "expert" base, then you don't have an "expert" base.













Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Phil Titola on June 19, 2018, 05:25:16 PM
When Trump is ultimately escorted from the WH, I bet Dax is going to have a nice long restful sleep....the defense of everything coming out of POTUS has to be tough....yes Dax, tougher than libots (sp?) that defended Obama....this stuff is next level in ideology and presentation.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 05:37:03 PM
When Trump is ultimately escorted from the WH, I bet Dax is going to have a nice long restful sleep....the defense of everything coming out of POTUS has to be tough....yes Dax, tougher than libots (sp?) that defended Obama....this stuff is next level in ideology and presentation.

I have nice long restful sleeps now, I couldn't care less if Trump is "escorted out of the White House". 

I also don't defend everything, what I make fun of mostly is the selective outrage and the unmitigated failure by Lib heroes to actually get any problems resolved and/or their apparent ineptitude.   

8 years to get the border and immigration straight.  Grade: F- 

But, be honest Phil, they never wanted to get the border or immigration straight.   






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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 19, 2018, 05:56:04 PM
would cruz's proposal (the aims of which are quoted below) solve this? 

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Double the number of federal immigration judges, from roughly 375 to 750.

Authorize new temporary shelters, with accommodations to keep families together.

Mandate that illegal immigrant families be kept together, absent aggravated criminal conduct or threat of harm to the children.

Provide for expedited processing and review of asylum cases, so that — within 14 days — those who meet the legal standards will be granted asylum, and those who do not will be immediately returned to their home countries.
from what i've read, people are critical of the two week processing because it's unrealistic.  but otherwise this seems to address the issues.

I think the two biggest problems are that it doesn't do anything to accommodate the representation of the people seeking asylum and Trump admin will just rubber stamp deny these claims by either altering the things that can be considered or using the 14 day limit to prevent people from building any case.

People shouldn't be detained anyway, take down their information, give them a court date, if they no-show then go from there.
So let people declare asylum at a point of entry or within 1 year.  After declaring, take their info*, put them in a database, and give them a court date.

If they skip court or don't declare within a year, f'em ban'em? 

*this is probably an ignorant question, but, in general, do people that cross the border have "information" such that if they do skip court they can be identified?

Why should someone not even being accused of a crime be locked up indefinitely? Why should people be denied any due process so Ted Cruz can try to score a cheap political point?


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So anyone illegally crossing the border can just say "asylum" and walk free?

That's a really rough ridin' shitty stupid dangerous policy that created the systemic crap show that is our current immigration system. All so the dems could win California by 25 points instead of 23.

They are already separating parents from children when people present themselves at the border and claim asylum. There is nothing “illegal” about claiming asylum. Detaining people until their asylum hearing is inhumane enough, but separating the families is particularly cruel.

The rest of the post is unhinged and racist, as is your wont.


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Completely nonresponsive to my point re policy and straight to "racist ".

How perfectly libtard
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Post by: DaBigTrain on June 19, 2018, 06:46:08 PM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Kat Kid on June 19, 2018, 07:44:30 PM
would cruz's proposal (the aims of which are quoted below) solve this? 

Quote
Double the number of federal immigration judges, from roughly 375 to 750.

Authorize new temporary shelters, with accommodations to keep families together.

Mandate that illegal immigrant families be kept together, absent aggravated criminal conduct or threat of harm to the children.

Provide for expedited processing and review of asylum cases, so that — within 14 days — those who meet the legal standards will be granted asylum, and those who do not will be immediately returned to their home countries.
from what i've read, people are critical of the two week processing because it's unrealistic.  but otherwise this seems to address the issues.

I think the two biggest problems are that it doesn't do anything to accommodate the representation of the people seeking asylum and Trump admin will just rubber stamp deny these claims by either altering the things that can be considered or using the 14 day limit to prevent people from building any case.

People shouldn't be detained anyway, take down their information, give them a court date, if they no-show then go from there.
So let people declare asylum at a point of entry or within 1 year.  After declaring, take their info*, put them in a database, and give them a court date.

If they skip court or don't declare within a year, f'em ban'em? 

*this is probably an ignorant question, but, in general, do people that cross the border have "information" such that if they do skip court they can be identified?

Why should someone not even being accused of a crime be locked up indefinitely? Why should people be denied any due process so Ted Cruz can try to score a cheap political point?


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So anyone illegally crossing the border can just say "asylum" and walk free?

That's a really rough ridin' shitty stupid dangerous policy that created the systemic crap show that is our current immigration system. All so the dems could win California by 25 points instead of 23.

They are already separating parents from children when people present themselves at the border and claim asylum. There is nothing “illegal” about claiming asylum. Detaining people until their asylum hearing is inhumane enough, but separating the families is particularly cruel.

The rest of the post is unhinged and racist, as is your wont.


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Completely nonresponsive to my point re policy and straight to "racist ".

How perfectly libtard

No. You skipped over the part where I responded to you to read the part where I called you a racist.


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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2018, 08:11:21 PM
The ongoing ProgLib Meme:

Detained Illegal Immigrants = Holocaust Victims

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 19, 2018, 08:17:02 PM
just read a post on nushaggy that i thought was interesting.  what if trump is setting sessions up to take a fall for this inhumane practice so he can fire sessions without pissing off the senate and then putting pruitt or whoever as AG so they can shut down the investigation?  maybe... maybe

 :pray:
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Post by: treysolid on June 19, 2018, 08:18:21 PM
they have to take away the rosaries because the children might try to hang themselves with them
Title: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: catastrophe on June 19, 2018, 08:47:57 PM
just read a post on nushaggy that i thought was interesting.  what if trump is setting sessions up to take a fall for this inhumane practice so he can fire sessions without pissing off the senate and then putting pruitt or whoever as AG so they can shut down the investigation?  maybe... maybe

 :pray:

Pruitt as AG to shut down the Russia probe would just be fantastic. Like I think we’re already on pace for an unforgettable presidency, but that would push Trump past Nixon and Harding by a wide margin.

If Trump’s presidency were over tomorrow it would be pretty forgettable tbh.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Phil Titola on June 19, 2018, 08:55:42 PM
The ongoing ProgLib Meme:

Detained Illegal Immigrants = Holocaust Victims

What does ProgLib mean?  Can you Trump guys publish a FAQ, it's very hard to follow what your posts are trying to say...
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 19, 2018, 08:58:33 PM
proglib is a daxclusive
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Post by: bucket on June 19, 2018, 09:27:50 PM
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Post by: chum1 on June 19, 2018, 09:35:33 PM
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Post by: chum1 on June 19, 2018, 09:37:14 PM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: chum1 on June 19, 2018, 09:45:00 PM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: chum1 on June 19, 2018, 09:59:46 PM
Jail for babies. Seriously, eff anyone who doesn't like this administration being compared to Nazis.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 19, 2018, 10:03:42 PM
It is astounding that some people are so into their team winning that they can't admit to themselves how horrible their team is being.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on June 19, 2018, 10:04:50 PM
Holocaust didn’t happen tho
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 20, 2018, 05:50:04 AM
If only you were outraged 4 years ago. 

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities/
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 20, 2018, 06:16:54 AM
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/06/18/myth-vs-fact-dhs-zero-tolerance-policy

A 315% increase in less than a year of adults attempting to cross the border with children who are not their own.  Another outcome of the message of catch and release.

But once again, Dems, who have never really wanted to fix immigration, stand in the way of immigration legislation.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: chum1 on June 20, 2018, 06:23:47 AM
If anyone in addition to dax enjoys jail for babies, now is the time to celebrate with him.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 20, 2018, 06:27:41 AM
If anyone in addition to dax enjoys jail for babies, now is the time to celebrate with him.

If anyone wants to join chum in playing right into the hands of human traffickers and people who fraduantly attempt to enter the United State step on up.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: chum1 on June 20, 2018, 06:37:34 AM
If anyone in addition to dax enjoys jail for babies, now is the time to celebrate with him.

If anyone wants to join chum in playing right into the hands of human traffickers and people who fraduantly attempt to enter the United State step on up.

Happy Jail for Babies Day! Congrats on realizing this dream of yours!
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 20, 2018, 06:44:54 AM
If anyone in addition to dax enjoys jail for babies, now is the time to celebrate with him.

If anyone wants to join chum in playing right into the hands of human traffickers and people who fraduantly attempt to enter the United State step on up.

Happy Jail for Babies Day! Congrats on realizing this dream of yours!

You didn't read the DHS elease. 

But it'll be great times for human traffickers when the chums of the world get their way (again).

Judging by the pictures it looked like jail for babies 4 years ago, even dog cages.  Not a peep.  The sadness of politically driven "outrage"
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 20, 2018, 08:34:56 AM
If only you were outraged 4 years ago. 

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities/

The first 15-20ish pages of this thread are a pretty good discussion from people who were outraged 4 years ago.

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=32336.0

There is also a link in there about racists in Arizona protesting a YMCA bus because they thought it was full of refugee children, and Tim Huelskamp had a tweet complaining about the conditions for the immigrant kids being too extravagant.
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Post by: Phil Titola on June 20, 2018, 08:39:09 AM


If anyone in addition to dax enjoys jail for babies, now is the time to celebrate with him.

If anyone wants to join chum in playing right into the hands of human traffickers and people who fraduantly attempt to enter the United State step on up.

Happy Jail for Babies Day! Congrats on realizing this dream of yours!

You didn't read the DHS elease. 


Guys read (and believe) the propaganda and shush up.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: ChiCat on June 20, 2018, 08:43:45 AM
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/06/18/myth-vs-fact-dhs-zero-tolerance-policy

A 315% increase in less than a year of adults attempting to cross the border with children who are not their own.  Another outcome of the message of catch and release.

But once again, Dems, who have never really wanted to fix immigration, stand in the way of immigration legislation.

At this point Dax is just Fox News
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 20, 2018, 09:36:54 AM
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/06/18/myth-vs-fact-dhs-zero-tolerance-policy

A 315% increase in less than a year of adults attempting to cross the border with children who are not their own.  Another outcome of the message of catch and release.

Quote
A DHS representative provided The Washington Post with the hard numbers behind Nielsen’s statistic. There were 46 cases of fraud — “individuals using minors to pose as fake family units” — in fiscal 2017, the period from October 2016 through September 2017. In the first five months of 2018, there were 191 cases.

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There were 75,622 family units apprehended at the border in fiscal 2017, and 31,102 in the first five months of this fiscal year.

(https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/n2rG6CMqZ6hbcD_155jHLFjVkwY=/1484x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/LNQY573TBI36DJRVD32YVDYKQM.jpg)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/06/18/how-to-mislead-with-statistics-dhs-secretary-nielsen-edition/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c875e51ba7cb&wpisrc=nl_politics&wpmm=1
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 20, 2018, 09:46:57 AM
So, one minute LibBots believe everything coming out of from the National Security Complex (when it hurts Pubs politically), and then next minute they don't believe anything coming out of the National Security Complex (when it hurts Pubs politically).  But, no agenda.

It's just a shame LibBots were so unconcerned about the "concentration camps" in Texas 4 years ago.





Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Phil Titola on June 20, 2018, 09:57:25 AM
So, one minute LibBots believe everything coming out of from the National Security Complex (when it hurts Pubs politically), and then next minute they don't believe anything coming out of the National Security Complex (when it hurts Pubs politically).  But, no agenda.

It's just a shame LibBots were so unconcerned about the "concentration camps" in Texas 4 years ago.
Nor was the UN

Nor were international himan rights organizations

Nor were Republicans

Amazing...almost to the point of unbelievable....but dax is posting it, so must be based in facts.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 20, 2018, 10:04:44 AM
So, one minute LibBots believe everything coming out of from the National Security Complex (when it hurts Pubs politically), and then next minute they don't believe anything coming out of the National Security Complex (when it hurts Pubs politically).  But, no agenda.

It's just a shame LibBots were so unconcerned about the "concentration camps" in Texas 4 years ago.
Nor was the UN

Nor were international himan rights organizations

Nor were Republicans

Amazing...almost to the point of unbelievable....but dax is posting it, so must be based in facts.

I'm just looking in the direction of where the politically motivated fake outrage comes from.

Also, what's completely lost on LibBots, and I've mentioned it before.  Is the complete and total failure by the previous administration in Central America.  A disastrous series of policies which only emboldened thugs who are propped up by gangs.  Then  :lol: con job the previous administration tried to pull in explaining the massive influx of DETAINED immigrants from that region.


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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 20, 2018, 10:05:23 AM
So, one minute LibBots believe everything coming out of from the National Security Complex (when it hurts Pubs politically), and then next minute they don't believe anything coming out of the National Security Complex (when it hurts Pubs politically).  But, no agenda.

It's just a shame LibBots were so unconcerned about the "concentration camps" in Texas 4 years ago.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 20, 2018, 10:08:39 AM
So, one minute LibBots believe everything coming out of from the National Security Complex (when it hurts Pubs politically), and then next minute they don't believe anything coming out of the National Security Complex (when it hurts Pubs politically).  But, no agenda.

It's just a shame LibBots were so unconcerned about the "concentration camps" in Texas 4 years ago.


Tim Huelskamp is part of the National Security State?

Someone should alert the world.

But I digress . . . so this "concentration camp" wasn't built?
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 20, 2018, 10:13:07 AM
No, it wasn't purchased.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 20, 2018, 11:15:07 AM
If anyone in addition to dax enjoys jail for babies, now is the time to celebrate with him.

Anyone against baby jail is obv pro feeding babies to the wolves (consistent with their "pro-choice" pov). Feeding babies to wolves is way worse than jail, imho.


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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 20, 2018, 11:29:34 AM
If anyone in addition to dax enjoys jail for babies, now is the time to celebrate with him.

Anyone against baby jail is obv pro feeding babies to the wolves (consistent with their "pro-choice" pov). Feeding babies to wolves is way worse than jail, imho.

They're working the angles via the usual inaction back to catch and release (aka open borders) which in turn only exasperates lost children.  It also plays straight into the hands of human traffickers, and as we saw from the SysBot posts earlier.   There is apparently an acceptable level of fraudulent entry attempts using children in LibBot world.   Not to mention setting a greater potential for "dumped children" once entry is gained.

Pathetic, but that's LibBot Logic.

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Post by: bucket on June 20, 2018, 11:36:39 AM
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Post by: sys on June 20, 2018, 11:42:21 AM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 20, 2018, 12:10:40 PM
Just like the disastrous policies (likely on purpose0 of the previous administration helped create a Central American immigration crisis on the Southern Border.

The disastrous policies of the EU (NATO) in concert with the United States has created an immigration crisis in the EU. 

https://www.ft.com/content/2872b844-73e7-11e8-aa31-31da4279a601








Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 8manpick on June 20, 2018, 12:13:09 PM

The first 15-20ish pages of this thread are a pretty good discussion from people who were outraged 4 years ago.

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=32336.0



This is my favorite post from the first few pages
Quote
The New Colossus a sonnet for American Exceptionalism by Fake Sugar Dick

"...Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your whites, your Protestant,
Your blue-eyed masses yearning to pay a flat(fair) income tax,
The english speakers of your Northern European shore.
Send these, plus maybe some Asians, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 20, 2018, 12:20:29 PM
So in the course of a few days propaganda minister Nielson has:

1) said family separation isn't happening (period)
2) said it is happening but only congress and very mean democrats can stop it
3) drafted a policy to stop family separation and the president "might" sign it
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 20, 2018, 12:22:44 PM
So in the course of a few days propaganda minister Nielson has:

1) said family separation isn't happening (period)
2) said it is happening but only congress and very mean democrats can stop it
3) drafted a policy to stop family separation and the president "might" sign it

Kind of sounds familiar.  But you wouldn’t get it and would get all mad, anyway.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Phil Titola on June 20, 2018, 12:25:46 PM
So in the course of a few days propaganda minister Nielson has:

1) said family separation isn't happening (period)
2) said it is happening but only congress and very mean democrats can stop it
3) drafted a policy to stop family separation and the president "might" sign it

Kind of sounds familiar.  But you wouldn’t get it and would get all mad, anyway.
The question is why aren't you mad now? This is your administration lying to your face....second babies are in jails....yet all you can do is play whataboutism that it was already happening (it wasn't) so nobody should be outraged now.
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 20, 2018, 12:32:06 PM
just read a post on nushaggy that i thought was interesting.  what if trump is setting sessions up to take a fall for this inhumane practice so he can fire sessions without pissing off the senate and then putting pruitt or whoever as AG so they can shut down the investigation?  maybe... maybe

 :pray:


 :drool:
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 20, 2018, 12:34:25 PM
What type of persecution are the people illegally crossing the border seeking asylum from?

Or the asylum angle a sham to avoid prosecution?
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Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 20, 2018, 12:55:51 PM
This is my favorite post from the first few pages
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The New Colossus a sonnet for American Exceptionalism by Fake Sugar Dick

"...Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your whites, your Protestant,
Your blue-eyed masses yearning to pay a flat(fair) income tax,
The english speakers of your Northern European shore.
Send these, plus maybe some Asians, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

i've changed my stance on immigration. i used to support immigrant amnesty for moral reasons and because we are a nation of immigrants and stuff. now i favor the browning of america because i'm so tired of old, scared white men.

 :sdeek:, I was such a lib.  I've really grown up in four years time.

My stance on immigration today is roughly:  Why is the question always  "what extraordinary thing has a person done to justify denying them citizenship?" rather than "what does this person add besides another opportunity for the champagne socialists to congratulate themselves on being nice?"?
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 20, 2018, 12:56:33 PM
So in the course of a few days propaganda minister Nielson has:

1) said family separation isn't happening (period)
2) said it is happening but only congress and very mean democrats can stop it
3) drafted a policy to stop family separation and the president "might" sign it

Kind of sounds familiar.  But you wouldn’t get it and would get all mad, anyway.
The question is why aren't you mad now? This is your administration lying to your face....second babies are in jails....yet all you can do is play whataboutism that it was already happening (it wasn't) so nobody should be outraged now.

I'm a little perturbed.   But I'm more of a root cause person.   Why are these people supposedly trying to escape a bad situation and what are we doing to help rectify the situation back in their home country?   This works hand-in-hand with the concept of how this all could have been avoided if it weren't for politics and horrific foreign policy.   



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Post by: Dlew12 on June 20, 2018, 01:04:09 PM
My stance on immigration today is roughly:  Why is the question always  "what extraordinary thing has a person done to justify denying them citizenship?" rather than "what does this person add besides another opportunity for the champagne socialists to congratulate themselves on being nice?"?
It's been a trip watching bubbles transform from a bleeding heart into a hardcore neocon over the last 5 years.
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Post by: sys on June 20, 2018, 01:06:39 PM
this is a very informative article.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/article/Explainer-Is-the-government-required-to-separate-13005122.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social
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Post by: 8manpick on June 20, 2018, 01:16:27 PM
My stance on immigration today is roughly:  Why is the question always  "what extraordinary thing has a person done to justify denying them citizenship?" rather than "what does this person add besides another opportunity for the champagne socialists to congratulate themselves on being nice?"?
It's been a trip watching bubbles transform from a bleeding heart into a hardcore neocon over the last 5 years.
Military brainwashing
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 20, 2018, 01:26:32 PM
Good for him!

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Trump says he'll sign order ending child-parent separation

https://www.yahoo.com/news/homeland-security-drafts-plan-end-family-separation-151501530.html?soc_trk=gcm&soc_src=5b2061e4-87d9-11e5-93d4-fa163e6f4a7e&.tsrc=notification-brknews
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 20, 2018, 01:32:39 PM
Good for him! But wait...It’s almost as if he could’ve done this before thousands of terrified children were ripped from their parents’ arms and thrown into cages in a decommissioned Wal-Mart! (Or a tent city in the El Paso summer.)

Or maybe he could’ve not done it in the first place at all!
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Post by: OK_Cat on June 20, 2018, 01:39:05 PM
He’s such a hero for stopping the thing he started


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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Phil Titola on June 20, 2018, 01:50:52 PM
Like a wife beater that wants the wife to be happy he stopped beating her....but with thousands of kids.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 20, 2018, 01:51:44 PM
Who called him a hero?  :confused:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 20, 2018, 01:53:03 PM
Libtards won't be happy until these children are properly aborted.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 20, 2018, 01:55:23 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/michael-cohen-resigns-rnc-committee-post/story?id=56033406

Cohen resigns from rnc because of family separation  :lol:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 20, 2018, 01:58:28 PM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 20, 2018, 01:59:34 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/michael-cohen-resigns-rnc-committee-post/story?id=56033406

Cohen resigns from rnc because of family separation  :lol:

 :lol:
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 20, 2018, 02:10:21 PM
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/usworld/immigrant-children-forcibly-injected-with-psychiatric-drugs-lawsuit-claims/article_79e5fe52-8046-5e9c-82f6-e851765b3f3a.html
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: gatoveintisiete on June 20, 2018, 02:20:40 PM
Good for him!

Quote
Trump says he'll sign order ending child-parent separation

https://www.yahoo.com/news/homeland-security-drafts-plan-end-family-separation-151501530.html?soc_trk=gcm&soc_src=5b2061e4-87d9-11e5-93d4-fa163e6f4a7e&.tsrc=notification-brknews

its a good day for our sys, congrats Trump heard you.
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Post by: sys on June 20, 2018, 02:25:01 PM
its a good day for our sys, congrats Trump heard you.

it is, indeed, a better day than was yesterday.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 20, 2018, 02:37:44 PM
Hi. A few observations in no particular order....

1. Wow. Have not seen a thread blow up so quickly over the course of a week since the early days of the phony Russia COLUSION scandal. Good times. Speaking of which, whatever happened to that sputtering Russian COLUSION scandal? Or all those never-Trumper FBI agents exposed in the IG Report? Or the booming job reports or economy? CHILD CONCENTRATION CAMPS!!!! :runaway:

2. We separate kids from "parents" because (1) some of those "parents" aren't, and (2) it's generally frowned upon to confine children with adults. Currently, the only option to keep the families unified is to release them into the US with a citation, which (wouldn't you know it) is exactly what open-borders zealots want. Another way to keep them unified would be to prevent them from entering the US.... I guess open-borders is the higher priority.

3. Trump can't count on Congress to do anything. The Dems want this crisis, and the GOP is too divided over how to fix it. So I suspect Trump will soon issue an executive order requiring families to be housed together pending adjudication of their cases. And the left will immediately sue to stop it. Because, again, open borders is the true priority. I think you all know this is exactly what will happen. Which just goes to show how phony your outrage really is.

4. Somewhere in this thread, Sys actually posted an article advocating for the abolition of all national sovereignty. LOL.

5. Providing food, lodging, toys, medical care, and field trips to illegal immigrant children is "inhumane?" What would you call being smuggled to the border? Or the dead kids floating in the Rio Grande or suffocated in sweltering tractor trailers? Or the (HuffPo estimated) 80% of girls who are raped during the journey?

6. If escaping third world crime, corruption, and squalor is grounds for asylum, basically all illegal immigrants would be entitled to asylum, right? So that can't be grounds for asylum, right? That is, unless you're an open-borders zealot.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 20, 2018, 02:42:14 PM
Hi. A few observations in no particular order....

1. Wow. Have not seen a thread blow up so quickly over the course of a week since the early days of the phony Russia COLUSION scandal. Good times. Speaking of which, whatever happened to that sputtering Russian COLUSION scandal? Or all those never-Trumper FBI agents exposed in the IG Report? Or the booming job reports or economy? CHILD CONCENTRATION CAMPS!!!! :runaway:

2. We separate kids from "parents" because (1) some of those "parents" aren't, and (2) it's generally frowned upon to confine children with adults. Currently, the only option to keep the families unified is to release them into the US with a citation, which (wouldn't you know it) is exactly what open-borders zealots want. Another way to keep them unified would be to prevent them from entering the US.... I guess open-borders is the higher priority.

3. Trump can't count on Congress to do anything. The Dems want this crisis, and the GOP is too divided over how to fix it. So I suspect Trump will soon issue an executive order requiring families to be housed together pending adjudication of their cases. And the left will immediately sue to stop it. Because, again, open borders is the true priority. I think you all know this is exactly what will happen. Which just goes to show how phony your outrage really is.

4. Somewhere in this thread, Sys actually posted an article advocating for the abolition of all national sovereignty. LOL.

5. Providing food, lodging, toys, medical care, and field trips to illegal immigrant children is "inhumane?" What would you call being smuggled to the border? Or the dead kids floating in the Rio Grande or suffocated in sweltering tractor trailers? Or the (HuffPo estimated) 80% of girls who are raped during the journey?

6. If escaping third world crime, corruption, and squalor is grounds for asylum, basically all illegal immigrants would be entitled to asylum, right? So that can't be grounds for asylum, right? That is, unless you're an open-borders zealot.

Trump is planning on ending the separation policy, so you don't need to feel obligated to defend it.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: ChiCat on June 20, 2018, 02:44:36 PM
Trump can't count on congress to fix the problem he created is my favorite part
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 20, 2018, 02:50:28 PM
Looking forward to the next politically motivated LibBot immigration meltdown.

Looking forward to the DNC getting fully onboard and helping to get this border security situation rectified . . .  :lol:   



Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 20, 2018, 02:52:23 PM
"Trump can't count on congress to fix the problem he created" is my favorite part

Well, I guess if you can’t actually counter anything I said, just make up a fake quote. Pit-style.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 20, 2018, 02:55:07 PM
Trump is planning on ending the separation policy, so you don't need to feel obligated to defend it.

Yes, and now they'll be confined together. See point three.

Quote
3. Trump can't count on Congress to do anything. The Dems want this crisis, and the GOP is too divided over how to fix it. So I suspect Trump will soon issue an executive order requiring families to be housed together pending adjudication of their cases. And the left will immediately sue to stop it. Because, again, open borders is the true priority. I think you all know this is exactly what will happen. Which just goes to show how phony your outrage really is.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 20, 2018, 02:55:19 PM
Nice to hear from you kdub
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 20, 2018, 02:56:57 PM
good to see you back ksu_w.  we had a great child torture debate while you were gone, it's a shame that you missed it.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 20, 2018, 02:57:08 PM
Dem administration:

-Support really bad people in Central America and Northern South America creating migrant crisis

-Invite migrants to U.S. border (be sure to send all kinds of mixed messages)

-Get overwhelmed by migrants at U.S. border (then lie as to why for days, then finally fess up)

-Detain some, deport thousands more, invoke geo-repatriation, need emergency shelters

-Invoke Catch and Release which in turn creates "lost children"

- . . . do nothing for months, days, years to rectify the situation

-Blame Republicans

Well played LibBots, well played.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 20, 2018, 03:06:33 PM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 20, 2018, 03:13:07 PM
i believe that was intentional, to symbolize the death of cruelty for cruelty's sake and the birth of cruelty through incompetence.
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Post by: sys on June 20, 2018, 03:14:33 PM
btw, i just posted that because i thought it sounded good.  i am confident trump's government will still pursue a thousand cruelties for the sake of cruelty.
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Post by: ChiCat on June 20, 2018, 03:20:02 PM
"Trump can't count on congress to fix the problem he created" is my favorite part

Well, I guess if you can’t actually counter anything I said, just make up a fake quote. Pit-style.

You're right, the quote was inaccurate.  The point still stands.  Trump created a problem and is trying to get Dems to negotiate to fix it.   
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 20, 2018, 03:25:09 PM
SysBot has officially jumped the shark.

Sad.

June 2014
(https://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20140619&t=2&i=909703344&w=780&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&sq=&r=2014-06-19T011007Z_2_TM3EA6I1DW701_RTRMADP_0_USA)

A direct byproduct of mixed messages and horrible Central American policy by the Obama Administration . . . and a total failure to prepare for the mess they created.



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Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 20, 2018, 03:41:25 PM
"Trump can't count on congress to fix the problem he created" is my favorite part

Well, I guess if you can’t actually counter anything I said, just make up a fake quote. Pit-style.

You're right, the quote was inaccurate.  The point still stands.  Trump created a problem and is trying to get Dems to negotiate to fix it.

I guess if your point is that Trump “created a problem” by enforcing immigration law then, yes, your point stands. But good news is he just fixed the problem he created by executive order! Now these families will be confined together on military bases while their deportation proceedings are expedited! We can all be happy now.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 20, 2018, 03:48:02 PM
"Trump can't count on congress to fix the problem he created" is my favorite part

Well, I guess if you can’t actually counter anything I said, just make up a fake quote. Pit-style.

You're right, the quote was inaccurate.  The point still stands.  Trump created a problem and is trying to get Dems to negotiate to fix it.

I guess if your point is that Trump “created a problem” by enforcing immigration law then, yes, your point stands. But good news is he just fixed the problem he created by executive order! Now these families will be confined together on military bases while their deportation proceedings are expedited! We can all be happy now.

In your mind, is he still enforcing immigration law?
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 20, 2018, 04:02:19 PM
 :lol:

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Post by: steve dave on June 20, 2018, 04:02:24 PM
?s=21


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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 20, 2018, 04:07:48 PM
What's the plan to keep this fake crisis going until the mid-terms?

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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 20, 2018, 04:12:25 PM
What's the plan to keep this fake crisis going until the mid-terms?

I'm sure there will be some other real crisis between now and then. Horrible people can't really help but do horrible things.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 20, 2018, 04:24:52 PM
i am confident trump's government will still pursue a thousand cruelties for the sake of cruelty.

yep.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 20, 2018, 04:43:20 PM
What's the plan to keep this fake crisis going until the mid-terms?

I'm sure there will be some other real crisis between now and then. Horrible people can't really help but do horrible things.

When you're dealing with people who side with human traffickers it's difficult not to come across as being a bad person.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 20, 2018, 04:48:26 PM
What's the plan to keep this fake crisis going until the mid-terms?

I'm sure there will be some other real crisis between now and then. Horrible people can't really help but do horrible things.

When you're dealing with people who side with human traffickers it's difficult not to come across as being a bad person.

It's really not difficult at all. Obama was terrible with immigration and nobody cared. All you have to do is not say a bunch of racist stuff and, whenever possible, don't abuse children.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 20, 2018, 05:29:27 PM
Big day for LibBots.  (once again)  Now only real American Citizens if detained can be removed from their families.


Since it's illegal even for American Citizens to enter the United States via a non designated port of entry.   What happens when a U.S. Citizen family (with accompanying minors) is caught illegally entering the United States?   (I believe that technically if they are with accompanying minors they may be classified as human smugglers under U.S. law).



Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: catastrophe on June 20, 2018, 05:32:08 PM
Big day for LibBots.  (once again)  Now only real American Citizens if detained can be removed from their families.


Since it's illegal even for American Citizens to enter the United States via a non designated port of entry.   What happens when a U.S. Citizen family (with accompanying minors) is caught illegally entering the United States?   (I believe that technically if they are with accompanying minors they may be classified as human smugglers under U.S. law).


One thing is for certain: if that does happen, our president will be powerless to do anything but enforce the law to the maximum extent possible.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 20, 2018, 05:33:44 PM
Big day for LibBots.  (once again)  Now only real American Citizens if detained can be removed from their families.


Since it's illegal even for American Citizens to enter the United States via a non designated port of entry.   What happens when a U.S. Citizen family (with accompanying minors) is caught illegally entering the United States?   (I believe that technically if they are with accompanying minors they may be classified as human smugglers under U.S. law).




One thing is for certain: if that does happen, our president will be powerless to do anything but enforce the law to the maximum extent possible.

I doubt the President would even be informed.  The family would simply be processed through the system. 
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: catastrophe on June 20, 2018, 05:42:48 PM
Like I said, powerless.  None of the officials imprisoning an American family and separating the parents from their children could do anything about it if the law seems to maybe say so.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on June 20, 2018, 05:47:05 PM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 20, 2018, 05:49:36 PM
Like I said, powerless.  None of the officials imprisoning an American family and separating the parents from their children could do anything about it if the law seems to maybe say so.

Not sure if serious . . . but oh well.

Seems to be conflicting information, but I believe post 911 that you have to (re) enter via a POE.  Re-entry in a non POE,  a subject, even if a citizen can be detained.   Some sources hinting at detainment until a 3rd party, usually legal counsel can verify  citizenship.   Bureaucracy. 

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 20, 2018, 05:52:58 PM

Completely unhelpful and ridiculous.   Just tweet, "I want open borders" and be done with it.

 
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Post by: steve dave on June 20, 2018, 06:47:32 PM
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Post by: sys on June 20, 2018, 07:44:01 PM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 20, 2018, 08:50:49 PM
?s=19

Because libtards rage when their hypocrisy is outed
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 20, 2018, 08:51:59 PM
What type of persecution are the people illegally crossing the border seeking asylum from?

Or the asylum angle a sham to avoid prosecution?

None of the learned libtards answered this one
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Post by: bucket on June 20, 2018, 09:30:33 PM
?s=19

Because libtards rage when their hypocrisy is outed

The differences of how it was enforced between the two administrations has been pointed out numerous times.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 20, 2018, 09:48:06 PM
Humanity has its nuances (obama-ok, trump- :curse:)
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: catastrophe on June 20, 2018, 10:02:09 PM
The difference is that people were pissed about Obama's immigration policy and now they're REALLY pissed about Trump's.  Why is it that hard to understand?
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 20, 2018, 10:22:26 PM
LOL
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Post by: Tubesock on June 20, 2018, 10:22:41 PM
Sys I assume you are an open borders guy is that right?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: catastrophe on June 20, 2018, 10:38:54 PM
All the evidence points to open borders being a great economic boon, so I expect sys is in favor.
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Post by: chum1 on June 20, 2018, 10:51:34 PM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 20, 2018, 10:51:57 PM
Open borders is working great in the EU!

"Economic boon"

 :lol:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Trim on June 20, 2018, 10:56:20 PM
Is this Stacey Dash’s first appearance on gE?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Phil Titola on June 20, 2018, 11:16:21 PM
Is this Stacey Dash’s first appearance on gE?
Sadly
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Trim on June 20, 2018, 11:20:00 PM
Is this Stacey Dash’s first appearance on gE?
Sadly

I just saw a part of Clueless on a Starz adjace channel 2 or 3 days ago as I was trying to go to sleep at like 1am.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on June 20, 2018, 11:41:36 PM
Sys I assume you are an open borders guy is that right?

it depends on what you mean by "open borders", but it's probably fair to say i lean much more to that side than most americans.
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Post by: Tubesock on June 21, 2018, 01:54:38 AM
Sys I assume you are an open borders guy is that right?

it depends on what you mean by "open borders", but it's probably fair to say i lean much more to that side than most americans.

I mean that you believe Mexicans should be able to cross the border and do whatever they want without having to go through any formal immigration procedures.  I’m sure you know what our country has settled on in this issue and would maybe like to see a different approach.  If enough of your fellow citizens feel the way you do perhaps the representatives you elect will change the law.  10 years ago there was an opportunity to make a change like this but it was not pursued, maybe because even though it could have been done it would have been against the will of the people and they thought better of it. 
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Post by: Chingon on June 21, 2018, 07:32:07 AM
I suspect sys wouldn't limit it to just Mexicans.
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 21, 2018, 07:35:25 AM
Really makes you think
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 21, 2018, 08:31:40 AM
?s=19

Because libtards rage when their hypocrisy is outed

The differences of how it was enforced between the two administrations has been pointed out numerous times.

What's also been pointed out is the differences create other problems that you guys meltdown about . . . But only after your guy isn't in office anymore. 

Just admit this is all politically motivated and you'll feel better.
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Post by: ChiCat on June 21, 2018, 08:38:19 AM
Remember when the primaries started and all of Trump's stances seemed ridiculous?  Oh how quickly the GOP falls in line
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 21, 2018, 08:44:08 AM
Remember when the primaries started and all of Trump's stances seemed ridiculous?  Oh how quickly the GOP falls in line

In the face of political opposition that clearly has no intention of helping to fix immigration and views the issue solely through the prism of politics and political gain.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 21, 2018, 08:46:02 AM
Remember when the primaries started and all of Trump's stances seemed ridiculous?  Oh how quickly the GOP falls in line

In the face of political opposition that clearly has no intention of helping to fix immigration and views the issue solely through the prism of politics and political gain.

Yes, the democrats made him abuse those children.
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 21, 2018, 08:46:13 AM
Agree with dax, trump is a gross
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Post by: ChiCat on June 21, 2018, 08:52:05 AM
So annoying when the opposition party doesn't do whatever you want
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 21, 2018, 09:02:19 AM
There's a difference between alternative proposals that have real merit, as opposed to just fighting everything brought to the table.   This is not hard. 

Sadly we had 8 wasted years, and thousands of detained and lost kids with no real concerns expressed by LibBot nation.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on June 21, 2018, 09:07:42 AM
Pretty sad Trump is caving to the wills and wishes of the people.  Losing street cred on the wannabe dictator scale.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 21, 2018, 09:14:22 AM
Pretty sad Trump is caving to the wills and wishes of the people.  Losing street cred on the wannabe dictator scale.
lol. This crap right here is what's wrong with you ppl.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 21, 2018, 09:17:41 AM
Remember when the primaries started and all of Trump's stances seemed ridiculous?  Oh how quickly the GOP falls in line

In the face of political opposition that clearly has no intention of helping to fix immigration and views the issue solely through the prism of politics and political gain.

Yes, the democrats made him abuse those children.

This little ordeal has made trump's "primary policies" seem much more rational. Sadly, the situation on the border that's been ignored for years (bc politically inconvenient) is an unmitigated disaster largely created by incoherent policy and an absurd application of asylum.

It's also becoming clear that the democrats essentially have no policies, which makes it hard to care when they whine about everything.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 21, 2018, 09:21:29 AM

Obama built the concentration camps. Which nazi does that make him?
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Post by: DaBigTrain on June 21, 2018, 09:24:59 AM

Obama built the concentration camps. Which nazi does that make him?

So did they just paint over the Obama murals?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-unspeakable-cruelty-of-trumps-child-migrant-camps/
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Post by: catastrophe on June 21, 2018, 09:26:04 AM
There's a difference between alternative proposals that have real merit, as opposed to just fighting everything brought to the table.   This is not hard. 

Sadly we had 8 wasted years, and thousands of detained and lost kids with no real concerns expressed by LibBot nation.

Dax, you've been doing a good job of regurgitating the Trump talking points, but pro-tip: these two are never supposed to go side by side.  The hypocrisy is way too obvious.
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Post by: sys on June 21, 2018, 09:26:39 AM
I mean that you believe Mexicans should be able to cross the border

yes.

and do whatever they want without having to go through any formal immigration procedures.

no.

I’m sure you know what our country has settled on in this issue and would maybe like to see a different approach.  If enough of your fellow citizens feel the way you do perhaps the representatives you elect will change the law.  10 years ago there was an opportunity to make a change like this but it was not pursued, maybe because even though it could have been done it would have been against the will of the people and they thought better of it.

i don't think there was any opportunity to pursue meaningfully more open borders 10 years ago and i don't think there is likely to be in the near to medium-term future.
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Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 21, 2018, 09:27:15 AM
:lol: https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/editorials/jailing-families-together-is-not-immigration-reform/ (https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/editorials/jailing-families-together-is-not-immigration-reform/)

Well that didn't take long. Now detaining children with their families is "a human rights violation." Cue the lawsuits in 3, 2, 1.... Again, this manufactured hysteria was never about the children, who are currently in a far better situation than when their "parents" were smuggling them north. It has always been about open borders.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 21, 2018, 09:31:32 AM
 :lol:
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Post by: sys on June 21, 2018, 09:32:05 AM
I suspect sys wouldn't limit it to just Mexicans.

i wouldn't want to limit immigration to mexicans and canadians, but i do think it would make sense to build on nafta to provide for greater labor freedoms between nafta nations.
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Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 21, 2018, 09:33:49 AM
idk the numbers but mexican immigration has slowed quite a bit. recent illegal immigration is coming from el salvador, honduras, and guatemala.
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Post by: sys on June 21, 2018, 09:37:49 AM
idk the numbers but mexican immigration has slowed quite a bit. recent illegal immigration is coming from el salvador, honduras, and guatemala.

net migration from mexico is negative.  more mexicans are leaving the united states than are arriving.
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Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 21, 2018, 09:39:32 AM
So did they just paint over the Obama murals?

Each wing of the detention center in question was named after a president, with a mural. You probably got your news from a tweet that only mentioned the Trump mural. I don't know if Obama got his own wing. Maybe they painted over it for Trump, but that's just wishful thinking.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on June 21, 2018, 09:45:01 AM
So did they just paint over the Obama murals?

Each wing of the detention center in question was named after a president, with a mural. You probably got your news from a tweet that only mentioned the Trump mural. I don't know if Obama got his own wing. Maybe they painted over it for Trump, but that's just wishful thinking.

Which presidents had wings and murals named after them?  If Obama built it like FSD said I would assume he has one :dunno:
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 21, 2018, 09:54:38 AM
So did they just paint over the Obama murals?

Each wing of the detention center in question was named after a president, with a mural. You probably got your news from a tweet that only mentioned the Trump mural. I don't know if Obama got his own wing. Maybe they painted over it for Trump, but that's just wishful thinking.

Which presidents had wings and murals named after them?  If Obama built it like FSD said I would assume he has one :dunno:

Do you honestly believe these "concentration camps" did not predate trump????

Do you have any idea how long it takes the federal government to build something????

Good grief
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Post by: DaBigTrain on June 21, 2018, 09:55:35 AM
So did they just paint over the Obama murals?

Each wing of the detention center in question was named after a president, with a mural. You probably got your news from a tweet that only mentioned the Trump mural. I don't know if Obama got his own wing. Maybe they painted over it for Trump, but that's just wishful thinking.

Which presidents had wings and murals named after them?  If Obama built it like FSD said I would assume he has one :dunno:

Do you honestly believe these "concentration camps" did not predate trump????

Do you have any idea how long it takes the federal government to build something????

Good grief

So you don’t have an answer, got it.
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Post by: Chingon on June 21, 2018, 09:59:28 AM
There is an Obama mural.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on June 21, 2018, 10:04:52 AM
Thank you. I just wanted an answer.
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Post by: Dlew12 on June 21, 2018, 10:05:08 AM
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/jcImREtP1GVp7BPuO_gubyXgNAw=/742x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/WI2JHVDPQQI6RP4GUI2RWXWOTE.jpg)
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Post by: DaBigTrain on June 21, 2018, 10:10:22 AM
Oh so Obama’s is uniting and inviting and Trumps is condescending and dividing.  :thumbs:
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Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 21, 2018, 10:13:45 AM
Just another reminder that getting your news by tweet from a biased journalist is not very reliable. Focusing on a Trump mural while failing to mention others is "fake news." Also, I'm pretty sure this center in question wasn't "built," but is a re-purposed former Walmart.
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Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 21, 2018, 10:15:32 AM
"ARBEIT MACHT FRIE" - Barack Obama
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Post by: Trim on June 21, 2018, 10:19:35 AM
What is the difficulty in allocating the correct resources to handle immigration in the way that it's being attempted in real life?
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Post by: DaBigTrain on June 21, 2018, 10:24:01 AM
Just another reminder that getting your news by tweet from a biased journalist is not very reliable.

You must be appalled at how much Fox News does this.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 21, 2018, 10:40:19 AM
Wait, how did DC cat not know if there was an Obama mural?  :lol:
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Post by: Tubesock on June 21, 2018, 10:43:41 AM
I mean that you believe Mexicans should be able to cross the border

yes.

and do whatever they want without having to go through any formal immigration procedures.

no.

I’m sure you know what our country has settled on in this issue and would maybe like to see a different approach.  If enough of your fellow citizens feel the way you do perhaps the representatives you elect will change the law.  10 years ago there was an opportunity to make a change like this but it was not pursued, maybe because even though it could have been done it would have been against the will of the people and they thought better of it.

i don't think there was any opportunity to pursue meaningfully more open borders 10 years ago and i don't think there is likely to be in the near to medium-term future.

In the political window that brought us the aca anything that the Dems really wanted was possible.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 21, 2018, 10:49:52 AM
Same people who signed the petition to ban water?

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/21/trump-obama-detention-center/
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Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 21, 2018, 10:55:25 AM
What is the difficulty in allocating the correct resources to handle immigration in the way that it's being attempted in real life?

federal hiring is byzantine, it would take an eternity to hire dozens of judges and public defenders even if there was financing and the will.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 21, 2018, 11:00:40 AM
http://time.com/5318165/juvenile-immigrants-virginia-detention-abuse-shenandoah/?utm_source=reddit.com
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Post by: Trim on June 21, 2018, 11:15:49 AM
What is the difficulty in allocating the correct resources to handle immigration in the way that it's being attempted in real life?

federal hiring is byzantine, it would take an eternity to hire dozens of judges and public defenders even if there was financing and the will.

I don't know anything about the subject.  I guess I'm questioning why a modern immigration process designed to handle people coming from the south would require more judges and public defenders as opposed to more processing or administrative type of workers, and maybe a lot more facilities and infrastructure at or maybe across the border to help streamline the process. 
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Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 21, 2018, 01:54:46 PM
What is the difficulty in allocating the correct resources to handle immigration in the way that it's being attempted in real life?

federal hiring is byzantine, it would take an eternity to hire dozens of judges and public defenders even if there was financing and the will.

I don't know anything about the subject.  I guess I'm questioning why a modern immigration process designed to handle people coming from the south would require more judges and public defenders as opposed to more processing or administrative type of workers, and maybe a lot more facilities and infrastructure at or maybe across the border to help streamline the process.

there are probably a few embassies and consulates between panama and el paso with the requisite papers on hand, but a lot of people feel that it is oppression to ask someone to fill out visa/citizenship/asylum applications before they are inside the country and have a federal public defender to do it for them.
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Post by: sys on June 21, 2018, 02:28:03 PM
there are probably a few embassies and consulates between panama and el paso with the requisite papers on hand, but a lot of people feel that it is oppression to ask someone to fill out visa/citizenship/asylum applications before they are inside the country and have a federal public defender to do it for them.

ignorance = a choice.
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Post by: catastrophe on June 21, 2018, 03:50:19 PM
I’m not aware that the US process asylum applications from folks not on US soil. And the visa laws typically require you to either be a student or employed. Of course either of those could be fixed if you wanted fewer illegal border crossings but really most Republicans right now just seem to want fewer brown people.
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Post by: bucket on June 21, 2018, 03:52:20 PM
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Post by: 8manpick on June 21, 2018, 04:06:58 PM
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-ol-enter-the-fray-crisis-actor-spotted-at-texas-child-1529602093-htmlstory.html

 :Chirp:
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 21, 2018, 04:54:50 PM
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Post by: bucket on June 21, 2018, 05:15:47 PM

You obviously didn't read the article.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 21, 2018, 05:38:12 PM
As the narrative progresses, I appreciate the "concentration camp" narrative (that just started of course) while viewing pictures of poor little kids being herded through ICE facilities in rows of 12 foot high fences with razor wire on top . . . in 2014.

The evolution of ICE detainment facilities from detainment facility to "concentration camp" is approximately 4 years, apparently.

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Post by: steve dave on June 21, 2018, 05:50:12 PM
It’s ok to quit defending this now. Trump kinda quit.


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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 21, 2018, 05:57:21 PM
It’s ok to quit defending this now. Trump kinda quit.


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Not defending.

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Post by: DaBigTrain on June 21, 2018, 06:02:04 PM
It’s ok to quit defending this now. Trump kinda quit.


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Not defending.

Yeah he’s just replying to non-Trump supporters from sun up to sun down for days to let everyone know there is some hypocrisy here. How could you even conclude anything else Steve Dave?
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Post by: steve dave on June 21, 2018, 06:05:21 PM
I conclude tons of things else sometimes. I’m a conclude master


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Post by: sys on June 21, 2018, 06:41:07 PM
I’m not aware that the US process asylum applications from folks not on US soil. And the visa laws typically require you to either be a student or employed. Of course either of those could be fixed if you wanted fewer illegal border crossings but really most Republicans right now just seem to want fewer brown people.

i googled the issue after bubbles posted, because i didn't know the answer and didn't wish to choose to remain ignorant.  a foreign national can apply for refugee status on foreign soil or seek asylum in us territory.  other than the different names, the status is about the same (and very annoyingly, if you're trying to google it, often used interchangeably).

the us sets a cap on how many refugees they allow into the country each year, and they do so by region.  by treaty, they must provide an asylum hearing to any asylum seeker.  the cap for refugees from central america was 4-5k/year during the last few years of obama and 2017, for 2018, trump's administration reduced that to 1.5k.  in 2015, obama's administration instituted a program to try and shunt minors (and later, also some family members of minors) into a program to provide expedited processing of refugee status rather than have those minors show up on the border seeking asylum.  this didn't increase the number of refugees, it was just supposed to prioritize minors that met the criteria and expedite their processing.  at any rate it didn't work terribly well but was chewing through most of the refugee slots by the end of 2016.  trump ended the program in 2017.

so basically, that's (probably, mostly) why people don't apply for refugee status at us embassies instead of making what by all accounts is a brutal and dangerous trip across central america and mexico to show up and petition for asylum at the border.  there is far more demand than there are slots available.


oh, and if you're wondering why they're choosing to seek asylum in the us, when we obviously hate them, rest assured most people fleeing honduras, guatemala and el salvador are choosing to seek asylum elsewhere.  there's just a lot of them leaving.
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Post by: bubbles4ksu on June 21, 2018, 07:18:05 PM
Thanks, sys. I hadn’t given any though to the distinction between asylum and refuge before I posted.
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Post by: sys on June 21, 2018, 07:24:25 PM
no problem.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 21, 2018, 07:42:20 PM
?s=19

 :love:
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 21, 2018, 07:50:11 PM
It’s ok to quit defending this now. Trump kinda quit.


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Not defending.

Yeah he’s just replying to non-Trump supporters from sun up to sun down for days to let everyone know there is some hypocrisy here. How could you even conclude anything else Steve Dave?
Yeah, why would such a person want to prove such a thing, when the left goes ballistic with every move that’s existed back to when they were in control. Stop this silliness! They’re just woke now.
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Post by: mocat on June 21, 2018, 07:54:05 PM
I’m not aware that the US process asylum applications from folks not on US soil. And the visa laws typically require you to either be a student or employed. Of course either of those could be fixed if you wanted fewer illegal border crossings but really most Republicans right now just seem to want fewer brown people.

i googled the issue after bubbles posted, because i didn't know the answer and didn't wish to choose to remain ignorant.  a foreign national can apply for refugee status on foreign soil or seek asylum in us territory.  other than the different names, the status is about the same (and very annoyingly, if you're trying to google it, often used interchangeably).

the us sets a cap on how many refugees they allow into the country each year, and they do so by region.  by treaty, they must provide an asylum hearing to any asylum seeker.  the cap for refugees from central america was 4-5k/year during the last few years of obama and 2017, for 2018, trump's administration reduced that to 1.5k.  in 2015, obama's administration instituted a program to try and shunt minors (and later, also some family members of minors) into a program to provide expedited processing of refugee status rather than have those minors show up on the border seeking asylum.  this didn't increase the number of refugees, it was just supposed to prioritize minors that met the criteria and expedite their processing.  at any rate it didn't work terribly well but was chewing through most of the refugee slots by the end of 2016.  trump ended the program in 2017.

so basically, that's (probably, mostly) why people don't apply for refugee status at us embassies instead of making what by all accounts is a brutal and dangerous trip across central america and mexico to show up and petition for asylum at the border.  there is far more demand than there are slots available.


oh, and if you're wondering why they're choosing to seek asylum in the us, when we obviously hate them, rest assured most people fleeing honduras, guatemala and el salvador are choosing to seek asylum elsewhere.  there's just a lot of them leaving.

Good research thanks sys
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Post by: bucket on June 21, 2018, 08:07:10 PM
It’s ok to quit defending this now. Trump kinda quit.


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Not defending.

Yeah he’s just replying to non-Trump supporters from sun up to sun down for days to let everyone know there is some hypocrisy here. How could you even conclude anything else Steve Dave?
Yeah, why would such a person want to prove such a thing, when the left goes ballistic with every move that’s existed back to when they were in control. Stop this silliness! They’re just woke now.

Wacky, children were not separated from their parents when illegally crossing the border under Obama.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 21, 2018, 08:11:11 PM
Lol
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 21, 2018, 08:24:43 PM
It’s ok to quit defending this now. Trump kinda quit.


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Not defending.

Yeah he’s just replying to non-Trump supporters from sun up to sun down for days to let everyone know there is some hypocrisy here. How could you even conclude anything else Steve Dave?
Yeah, why would such a person want to prove such a thing, when the left goes ballistic with every move that’s existed back to when they were in control. Stop this silliness! They’re just woke now.

Wacky, children were not separated from their parents when illegally crossing the border under Obama.

Illegally?  Geez dude, it’s like you don’t even understand what Geo RePatriation was and what the ramifications were. 

Lots of razor wire on those cages in 2014.  Not a peep from LibBots.
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Post by: Trim on June 21, 2018, 11:59:02 PM
I’m not aware that the US process asylum applications from folks not on US soil. And the visa laws typically require you to either be a student or employed. Of course either of those could be fixed if you wanted fewer illegal border crossings but really most Republicans right now just seem to want fewer brown people.

i googled the issue after bubbles posted, because i didn't know the answer and didn't wish to choose to remain ignorant.  a foreign national can apply for refugee status on foreign soil or seek asylum in us territory.  other than the different names, the status is about the same (and very annoyingly, if you're trying to google it, often used interchangeably).

the us sets a cap on how many refugees they allow into the country each year, and they do so by region.  by treaty, they must provide an asylum hearing to any asylum seeker.  the cap for refugees from central america was 4-5k/year during the last few years of obama and 2017, for 2018, trump's administration reduced that to 1.5k.  in 2015, obama's administration instituted a program to try and shunt minors (and later, also some family members of minors) into a program to provide expedited processing of refugee status rather than have those minors show up on the border seeking asylum.  this didn't increase the number of refugees, it was just supposed to prioritize minors that met the criteria and expedite their processing.  at any rate it didn't work terribly well but was chewing through most of the refugee slots by the end of 2016.  trump ended the program in 2017.

so basically, that's (probably, mostly) why people don't apply for refugee status at us embassies instead of making what by all accounts is a brutal and dangerous trip across central america and mexico to show up and petition for asylum at the border.  there is far more demand than there are slots available.


oh, and if you're wondering why they're choosing to seek asylum in the us, when we obviously hate them, rest assured most people fleeing honduras, guatemala and el salvador are choosing to seek asylum elsewhere.  there's just a lot of them leaving.

T-Y.  This should be revamped so that at minimum, at least the same number of people who currently succeed in getting here outside of the official process can do so as part of an official process.
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Post by: renocat on June 22, 2018, 06:07:18 AM
Big old belly laugh.  The crying little girl on the cover of Time, the face of the rage of separating families,  is a bogus manufactured lie of open border leftist.   The mother left her husband and 3 other older children in Honduras, paid a coyote  $6000, and her husband has a good job.  According to the husband, mom had to put the girl down to be patted down by the border agents and the kid cried; something you see all of the time in WalMartz.  The kid and mom were never separated.  The mom is seeking asylum.  On what grounds?  Husband has a job.  She though her 3 older kids would be fine in Honduras.  Fake news.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 22, 2018, 07:17:34 AM
Hubbie says things are okay but "not great" back in Honduras.

Just remembering the Obama administration stealthily supporting the 2009 military coup in Honduras. 

But root cause is inconsequential to the LibBot.
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 22, 2018, 07:52:47 AM
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Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 22, 2018, 09:24:45 AM
I’m not aware that the US process asylum applications from folks not on US soil. And the visa laws typically require you to either be a student or employed. Of course either of those could be fixed if you wanted fewer illegal border crossings but really most Republicans right now just seem to want fewer brown people.

i googled the issue after bubbles posted, because i didn't know the answer and didn't wish to choose to remain ignorant.  a foreign national can apply for refugee status on foreign soil or seek asylum in us territory.  other than the different names, the status is about the same (and very annoyingly, if you're trying to google it, often used interchangeably).

the us sets a cap on how many refugees they allow into the country each year, and they do so by region.  by treaty, they must provide an asylum hearing to any asylum seeker.  the cap for refugees from central america was 4-5k/year during the last few years of obama and 2017, for 2018, trump's administration reduced that to 1.5k.  in 2015, obama's administration instituted a program to try and shunt minors (and later, also some family members of minors) into a program to provide expedited processing of refugee status rather than have those minors show up on the border seeking asylum.  this didn't increase the number of refugees, it was just supposed to prioritize minors that met the criteria and expedite their processing.  at any rate it didn't work terribly well but was chewing through most of the refugee slots by the end of 2016.  trump ended the program in 2017.

so basically, that's (probably, mostly) why people don't apply for refugee status at us embassies instead of making what by all accounts is a brutal and dangerous trip across central america and mexico to show up and petition for asylum at the border.  there is far more demand than there are slots available.


oh, and if you're wondering why they're choosing to seek asylum in the us, when we obviously hate them, rest assured most people fleeing honduras, guatemala and el salvador are choosing to seek asylum elsewhere.  there's just a lot of them leaving.

Thanks. Now I'm in a Facebook argument with someone about whether or not you can seek asylum from outside the U.S.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 22, 2018, 10:35:18 AM
It’s ok to quit defending this now. Trump kinda quit.


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Not defending.

Yeah he’s just replying to non-Trump supporters from sun up to sun down for days to let everyone know there is some hypocrisy here. How could you even conclude anything else Steve Dave?
Yeah, why would such a person want to prove such a thing, when the left goes ballistic with every move that’s existed back to when they were in control. Stop this silliness! They’re just woke now.

Wacky, children were not separated from their parents when illegally crossing the border under Obama.

 :lol:
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Post by: catastrophe on June 22, 2018, 11:14:24 AM
I’m not aware that the US process asylum applications from folks not on US soil. And the visa laws typically require you to either be a student or employed. Of course either of those could be fixed if you wanted fewer illegal border crossings but really most Republicans right now just seem to want fewer brown people.

i googled the issue after bubbles posted, because i didn't know the answer and didn't wish to choose to remain ignorant.  a foreign national can apply for refugee status on foreign soil or seek asylum in us territory.  other than the different names, the status is about the same (and very annoyingly, if you're trying to google it, often used interchangeably).

the us sets a cap on how many refugees they allow into the country each year, and they do so by region.  by treaty, they must provide an asylum hearing to any asylum seeker.  the cap for refugees from central america was 4-5k/year during the last few years of obama and 2017, for 2018, trump's administration reduced that to 1.5k.  in 2015, obama's administration instituted a program to try and shunt minors (and later, also some family members of minors) into a program to provide expedited processing of refugee status rather than have those minors show up on the border seeking asylum.  this didn't increase the number of refugees, it was just supposed to prioritize minors that met the criteria and expedite their processing.  at any rate it didn't work terribly well but was chewing through most of the refugee slots by the end of 2016.  trump ended the program in 2017.

so basically, that's (probably, mostly) why people don't apply for refugee status at us embassies instead of making what by all accounts is a brutal and dangerous trip across central america and mexico to show up and petition for asylum at the border.  there is far more demand than there are slots available.


oh, and if you're wondering why they're choosing to seek asylum in the us, when we obviously hate them, rest assured most people fleeing honduras, guatemala and el salvador are choosing to seek asylum elsewhere.  there's just a lot of them leaving.

Thanks. Now I'm in a Facebook argument with someone about whether or not you can seek asylum from outside the U.S.

From my understanding, the main distinction with asylum is it is based on the idea that if you make it on US soil, you get to stay if you satisfy the criteria (i.e., no quotas or discretion from the executive or legislature, it’s really just a judicial determination). There is a milder version called withholding of removal (I think part of the Convention Against Torture), which says even if you are otherwise in the US illegally they can’t deport you back to your country if you’re probably gonna die (high level paraphrasing here).

So if you’re really fearful for your life and family in your current country, your best bet is to just make it across the US border. Of course the catch is that asylum laws are complicated and damn near impossible to successfully navigate if you’re not an attorney or are not assisted by one of the organizations who provide help in this area.
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Post by: Trim on June 22, 2018, 11:19:41 AM
What's the general concept behind requiring that somebody come from an asylum situation in order to be allowed to come/stay?
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Post by: catastrophe on June 22, 2018, 12:20:41 PM
What's the general concept behind requiring that somebody come from an asylum situation in order to be allowed to come/stay?

The primary reason is because we have determined we cannot send them BACK into an asylum situation and it is easier (and let's be honest, economically beneficial) to let them stay here instead of trying to find another country that will take them.  I think the secondary reason is that the grounds for asylum tend to be rooted in American ideals.  To be granted asylum you have to have been persecuted by a government (or major group that the government is unable or unwilling to control) based on things like your religion or political opinion.  That's a little more targeted than an refugee who might be fleeing any kind of crappy condition that isn't rooted in discrimination.
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Post by: steve dave on June 22, 2018, 01:03:36 PM

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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 22, 2018, 01:23:27 PM
So the latest (literal) poster child for the latest fake LibBot meltdown.  Is the child of a mother who woke up one day and decided she didn't like it in her home country anymore and so she grabbed the youngest kid (said poster child of the latest fake LibBot meltdown), $6 large and headed North.  Hired a human smuggler and got busted on the border . . . leaving her husband (a gainfully employed gent apparently) and her other two children back in the home country.



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Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 22, 2018, 01:59:16 PM
yeah F that kid
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 22, 2018, 02:01:22 PM
yeah F that kid

Kid is with mom.  But shitty take as always, Dug.

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Post by: steve dave on June 22, 2018, 02:08:04 PM
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Post by: chum1 on June 22, 2018, 02:18:29 PM
"Tacky" is one word for that.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Trim on June 22, 2018, 02:31:11 PM
So the latest (literal) poster child for the latest fake LibBot meltdown.  Is the child of a mother who woke up one day and decided she didn't like it in her home country anymore and so she grabbed the youngest kid (said poster child of the latest fake LibBot meltdown), $6 large and headed North.  Hired a human smuggler and got busted on the border . . . leaving her husband (a gainfully employed gent apparently) and her other two children back in the home country.

So in this example, why is it that america doesn't want the lady and kid to be able to move here and join society?
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 22, 2018, 02:49:13 PM
So the latest (literal) poster child for the latest fake LibBot meltdown.  Is the child of a mother who woke up one day and decided she didn't like it in her home country anymore and so she grabbed the youngest kid (said poster child of the latest fake LibBot meltdown), $6 large and headed North.  Hired a human smuggler and got busted on the border . . . leaving her husband (a gainfully employed gent apparently) and her other two children back in the home country.

So in this example, why is it that america doesn't want the lady and kid to be able to move here and join society?

Did she ask for Asylum? 

If so, what persecution was she attempting to escape from?   If you attempt to cross the border illegally and hire a human smuggler to help you, and you're caught, there should no ramifications?   
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Post by: Trim on June 22, 2018, 02:57:14 PM
So the latest (literal) poster child for the latest fake LibBot meltdown.  Is the child of a mother who woke up one day and decided she didn't like it in her home country anymore and so she grabbed the youngest kid (said poster child of the latest fake LibBot meltdown), $6 large and headed North.  Hired a human smuggler and got busted on the border . . . leaving her husband (a gainfully employed gent apparently) and her other two children back in the home country.

So in this example, why is it that america doesn't want the lady and kid to be able to move here and join society?

Did she ask for Asylum? 

If so, what persecution was she attempting to escape from?   If you attempt to cross the border illegally and hire a human smuggler to help you, and you're caught, there should no ramifications?   

I'm asking historically why america cares what persecution she was attempting to escape from and/or why she had to cross the border illegally vs. being able to go through a simple process of registering as a new american with no reason other than wanting to be an american?
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 22, 2018, 03:45:29 PM
So the latest (literal) poster child for the latest fake LibBot meltdown.  Is the child of a mother who woke up one day and decided she didn't like it in her home country anymore and so she grabbed the youngest kid (said poster child of the latest fake LibBot meltdown), $6 large and headed North.  Hired a human smuggler and got busted on the border . . . leaving her husband (a gainfully employed gent apparently) and her other two children back in the home country.

So in this example, why is it that america doesn't want the lady and kid to be able to move here and join society?

Did she ask for Asylum? 

If so, what persecution was she attempting to escape from?   If you attempt to cross the border illegally and hire a human smuggler to help you, and you're caught, there should no ramifications?   

I'm asking historically why america cares what persecution she was attempting to escape from and/or why she had to cross the border illegally vs. being able to go through a simple process of registering as a new american with no reason other than wanting to be an american?

because she's brown, dude.
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Post by: wetwillie on June 22, 2018, 05:08:43 PM
what would happen to a woman and child with US citizenship that attempted to cross into Canada?
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Post by: sys on June 22, 2018, 06:25:18 PM
what would happen to a woman and child with US citizenship that attempted to cross into Canada?

they could enter without a visa and stay for up to six months.
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Post by: wetwillie on June 22, 2018, 06:36:04 PM
Hot damn, I’d be trying like hell to a obtain a fake US ID and head straight for the frozen north.
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Post by: sys on June 22, 2018, 06:49:52 PM
it'd be safer to use a valid id.
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Post by: wetwillie on June 22, 2018, 07:04:39 PM
i assume a woman and child coming from mexico would probably not have a valid US id
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Post by: sys on June 22, 2018, 07:54:39 PM
if they're from mexico they could just use their valid mexican identification docs for no-visa entry.  if they're central americans just passing though mexico, then they could try the fake us docs, but i bet they get caught.
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Post by: chum1 on June 23, 2018, 09:14:36 AM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: renocat on June 23, 2018, 10:17:33 AM
How has turning people away.so they will not overburden this nation trying.to feed them at the expense of not doing the same for our poor, our elderly, our disadvantaged, and our tired and infirmed.

It costs Medicaid  $4,000 - $10,000 per month per person to care for someone in a nursing home.  Millions of baby boomers will be seeking these benefits in the next 10 years.  How immoral will it be to kick grandpa or grandma into the street.  What will you tell weeping families?  Sorry, we had to take care of those illegal aliens coming into Texas.  Dang people think, and whiz on your emotions when it comes to this issue.
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Post by: Trim on June 23, 2018, 10:21:04 AM
How has turning people away.so they will not overburden this nation trying.to feed them at the expense of not doing the same for our poor, our elderly, our disadvantaged, and our tired and infirmed.

It costs Medicaid  $4,000 - $10,000 per month per person to care for someone in a nursing home.  Millions of baby boomers will be seeking these benefits in the next 10 years.  How immoral will it be to kick grandpa or grandma into the street.  What will you tell weeping families?  Sorry, we had to take care of those illegal aliens coming into Texas.  Dang people think, and whiz on your emotions when it comes to this issue.

What other population control measures should america implement?
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Post by: Tubesock on June 23, 2018, 10:22:35 AM
How has turning people away.so they will not overburden this nation trying.to feed them at the expense of not doing the same for our poor, our elderly, our disadvantaged, and our tired and infirmed.

It costs Medicaid  $4,000 - $10,000 per month per person to care for someone in a nursing home.  Millions of baby boomers will be seeking these benefits in the next 10 years.  How immoral will it be to kick grandpa or grandma into the street.  What will you tell weeping families?  Sorry, we had to take care of those illegal aliens coming into Texas.  Dang people think, and whiz on your emotions when it comes to this issue.

Seems kinda racist Renocat
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Post by: chum1 on June 23, 2018, 10:55:48 AM
Contains references to actual research, so won't be your thing if you're a POS pub.

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Post by: Tubesock on June 23, 2018, 11:13:10 AM
Families of victims of illegal alien crime say eff you chum
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Post by: Tubesock on June 23, 2018, 11:17:13 AM
If we could have saved just one of these people that were murdered lives it would be worth it, where is your humanity for Christ’s sake?
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Post by: DaBigTrain on June 23, 2018, 11:30:53 AM
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Post by: DaBigTrain on June 23, 2018, 11:35:47 AM
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 23, 2018, 11:42:45 AM
If we could have saved just one of these people that were murdered lives it would be worth it, where is your humanity for Christ’s sake?

Is that Scott Stapp in your avatar?
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Post by: Tubesock on June 23, 2018, 12:05:54 PM
If we could have saved just one of these people that were murdered lives it would be worth it, where is your humanity for Christ’s sake?

Is that Scott Stapp in your avatar?

That’s a stupid question, stupid
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 23, 2018, 12:31:05 PM
My bad, didn’t recognize joey lawrence because it’s been a while
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Post by: renocat on June 23, 2018, 01:02:32 PM
How has turning people away.so they will not overburden this nation trying.to feed them at the expense of not doing the same for our poor, our elderly, our disadvantaged, and our tired and infirmed.

It costs Medicaid  $4,000 - $10,000 per month per person to care for someone in a nursing home.  Millions of baby boomers will be seeking these benefits in the next 10 years.  How immoral will it be to kick grandpa or grandma into the street.  What will you tell weeping families?  Sorry, we had to take care of those illegal aliens coming into Texas.  Dang people think, and whiz on your emotions when it comes to this issue.

Seems kinda racist Renocat
Tube, how is this racist?  Cheap, yes.  If there was a herd of fat Norwegians trying to enter illegally, I would have the same reaction especially if they were planning on sucking on Momma Government teats.
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Post by: Tubesock on June 23, 2018, 03:58:35 PM
How has turning people away.so they will not overburden this nation trying.to feed them at the expense of not doing the same for our poor, our elderly, our disadvantaged, and our tired and infirmed.

It costs Medicaid  $4,000 - $10,000 per month per person to care for someone in a nursing home.  Millions of baby boomers will be seeking these benefits in the next 10 years.  How immoral will it be to kick grandpa or grandma into the street.  What will you tell weeping families?  Sorry, we had to take care of those illegal aliens coming into Texas.  Dang people think, and whiz on your emotions when it comes to this issue.
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Seems kinda racist Renocat
Tube, how is this racist?  Cheap, yes.  If there was a herd of fat Norwegians trying to enter illegally, I would have the same reaction especially if they were planning on sucking on Momma Government teats.

If you can get seven and sys to sign off on it not being racist i’ll Reconsider but I’ve been burned too many times
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 23, 2018, 04:04:30 PM
Seems racist to assume people looking for a better life just want to live off the government
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Post by: renocat on June 23, 2018, 06:27:59 PM
Seems racist to assume people looking for a better life just want to live off the government
Even if it a bunch of fat Norwegians?  WHY are we the world's sugar daddy?  Are illegals more important than our own old, poor, infirmed and disadvantaged.  We are reaching a point when we will have no choice to ration out how much help we can give to people in need.  Then how immoral is it when we tell someone to suck it up and suffer because we decided to let everyone into the country because we are compassionate.   Sometimes it is necessary to be a mean bastard for the sake of your family, goup or business.
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Post by: sys on June 23, 2018, 10:21:29 PM
If you can get seven and sys to sign off on it not being racist i’ll Reconsider but I’ve been burned too many times

wait, all of a sudden i'm the one that's anti-racist?
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Post by: Tubesock on June 23, 2018, 10:26:32 PM
Seems racist to assume people looking for a better life just want to live off the government
Even if it a bunch of fat Norwegians?  WHY are we the world's sugar daddy?  Are illegals more important than our own old, poor, infirmed and disadvantaged.  We are reaching a point when we will have no choice to ration out how much help we can give to people in need.  Then how immoral is it when we tell someone to suck it up and suffer because we decided to let everyone into the country because we are compassionate.   Sometimes it is necessary to be a mean bastard for the sake of your family, goup or business.

Hey dude, I’m not gonna lie, you are persuasive, but if you think I’m going to tee myself up as a sys-7 inhumane racist son of a bitch that lacks morality you have another thing coming!
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 24, 2018, 03:19:50 AM
You crossed the threshold long ago bud
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2018, 08:57:16 AM
Even this toolshed recognizes the left has no credible immigration policy and is ignoring the crisis they created (which makes him a racist, obv).

 http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/to-end-the-border-crisis-for-good-give-trump-his-wall.html
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 24, 2018, 01:51:55 PM
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Post by: LickNeckey on June 24, 2018, 02:02:11 PM
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i was previously unaware of the practice but am glad the president saw clear to pursue a more productive and humane solution
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Post by: sys on June 24, 2018, 06:09:55 PM
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Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 24, 2018, 08:05:22 PM
Even this toolshed recognizes the left has no credible immigration policy and is ignoring the crisis they created (which makes him a racist, obv).

 http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/to-end-the-border-crisis-for-good-give-trump-his-wall.html

The funny thing about this op-ed is that Sullivan simultaneously concedes that Trump has a valid point while at the same time calling him a bigot for having that point of view. It’s really a marvelously contorted piece of writing. I encourage everyone to read it. I suspect he wrote the article in this way to get his liberal brethren to at least hear him out. Maybe a good approach.
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Post by: Kat Kid on June 24, 2018, 08:20:27 PM
I have no idea who Sullivan thinks he is writing for these days.
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Post by: sys on June 24, 2018, 09:11:11 PM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ice-scrapped-effective-immigration-program-because-it-didnt-remove-enough-people
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Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 24, 2018, 10:00:23 PM
I have no idea who Sullivan thinks he is writing for these days.

I think he’s writing to appeal to his fellow liberals. It’s the only way I can square such an obviously contradictory piece. Consider the first few paragraphs:

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You could think of the last week as a solid victory for the Democrats and for basic human decency. An utterly indefensible and morally foul policy of separating children from their parents is over for now. Trump backed down amid a torrent of his usual lies and refusal to take responsibility for anything. We found a line even today’s GOP would not cross (although we also found plenty who were indeed prepared to cross it).

But it is emphatically not the end of this story, not simply because there are more than 2,000 children still apart from their families, with very little hope of ever finding their parents again, but because none of the underlying reasons for this atrocity in the first place have been addressed. Nor are they likely to be addressed in the Congress today, as one of the latest GOP immigration bills staggers toward failure. Nor do the Democrats seem able, willing, or united enough to tackle the problem at its source, by finding a legislative compromise with the GOP and president, on both legal and illegal immigration. That means families in cages multiplying in the future; it means more endangered children; it means an even deeper coarsening of our moral values; it means more and more people in limbo; it means genuine refugees losing asylum and being deported back to their nightmares; and it portends even greater polarization ahead.

Ok, so far we have the typical liberal line. Which makes sense that if you want to appeal to liberals, you better start by establishing your liberal bona fides, your superior virtue, your Detest for all things Trump. But then the pivot:

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The reason for that is simple: The United States has not allocated the resources, political and financial, to stem the wave of illegal immigrants into this country that is now rising again, or to enable genuine asylum cases to be adjudicated fairly and expeditiously. Our political system — incapacitated by tribalism — has been incapable of addressing the intensifying problem since the Bush administration. Obama was trapped by the same impasse as Trump now is, and detained families in camps. And the problem is acute. There are almost a third of a million asylum cases pending in the system; and, as David Frum has noted, it now takes up to nine months to process a single one. We also know that the Flores settlement that bars any detention of children with their parents past 20 days has not been invalidated or legislatively fixed.

Which means to say that in less than three weeks, we will be here again, with another excruciating dilemma. Do we set up vast tent cities and camps to imprison families indefinitely, or do we simply let these families go free, and hope they show up for a future court date? Either way, we solve nothing fundamental and leave a huge incentive for those trying to enter the U.S. illegally to bring children with them when they do. And that does happen. There is fraud and trafficking and opportunism as well as valid family-based escapes from violence and persecution, and it can be hard to tell one from the other.

Wait - what? You just said Trump’s policy was “utterly indefensible and mortally foul” - and then proceeded to concede that (1) Obama did it, too, (2) our processing of asylum cases has been overwhelmed by a huge influx coupled with inefficiency, (3) many of those asylum cases are not genuine, (4) the Flores decision exacerbates the problem and can’t be legislatively fixed, (5) the GOP can’t fix the problem without assistance from the Dems, which they won’t give, (6) this all puts Trump in a tough spot of choosing between mass detention and mass catch and release, and (7) this creates an incentive to bring children on the dangerous journey north.

Which is all true, but utterly belies the first two paragraphs. The piece then pivots back and forth a few more times. Fascinating reading.
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Post by: Kat Kid on June 24, 2018, 10:25:40 PM
do you know who Andrew Sullivan is?
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Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 25, 2018, 07:09:23 AM
Not really, based on articles like the above. He’s been variously described as conservative and liberal. He’s certainly not the former. He might suffer from bipolar political syndrome.
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Post by: sys on June 25, 2018, 09:06:49 AM
do you know who Andrew Sullivan is?

he tried to pass bret stephens off as a liberal ny times columnist a while back.
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Post by: Chingon on June 25, 2018, 01:21:51 PM
Trump owns the conservative/republican brand these days.  If he (and his supporters) decide someone is not conservative then they are no longer conservative.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 25, 2018, 01:28:59 PM
do you know who Andrew Sullivan is?

he tried to pass bret stephens off as a liberal ny times columnist a while back.

The lead singer from poison?
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 25, 2018, 01:32:39 PM
Sullivan is a nevertrumper neocon. Libtards hated him and called him stupid and ignorant and nazi until he revealed himself as a nevertrumper. Now they love him, just like frum.
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Post by: sys on June 25, 2018, 02:18:11 PM
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Post by: Kat Kid on June 25, 2018, 04:21:07 PM
as usual, ksuw and fsd seem to have a good solid grasp on all the relevant facts.
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Post by: sys on June 25, 2018, 04:40:20 PM
this is very informative.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/whos-really-crossing-us-border-and-why-theyre-coming
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Post by: wetwillie on June 25, 2018, 05:33:20 PM
Sys, what is your take on the Mexican govt’s responsibility in all this?
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Post by: sys on June 25, 2018, 08:14:27 PM
Sys, what is your take on the Mexican govt’s responsibility in all this?

please clarify your question.  responsibility for what and in what way?
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Post by: michigancat on June 25, 2018, 08:28:59 PM
that's a pretty good article and doesn't even get into the issue of the US meddling in Central American politics.
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Post by: wetwillie on June 25, 2018, 08:35:56 PM
Sys, what is your take on the Mexican govt’s responsibility in all this?

please clarify your question.  responsibility for what and in what way?

For allowing a humanitarian crisis on their borders by not providing safe haven for these people.
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Post by: sys on June 25, 2018, 08:54:13 PM
fairly large numbers of central americans do immigrate to mexico.

mexico has no responsibility to assist the us with our immigration policy.  we've spent the last two year shitting on them, obviously they aren't going to help us.
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Post by: Kat Kid on June 25, 2018, 08:54:36 PM
that's a pretty good article and doesn't even get into the issue of the US meddling in Central American politics.

"meddling"

lol
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Post by: wetwillie on June 25, 2018, 08:57:36 PM
fairly large numbers of central americans do immigrate to mexico.

mexico has no responsibility to assist the us with our immigration policy.  we've spent the last two year shitting on them, obviously they aren't going to help us.

Yea they obviously have no incentive to help us but it appears to be coming st the expense of these people
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Post by: michigancat on June 25, 2018, 08:57:53 PM
that's a pretty good article and doesn't even get into the issue of the US meddling in Central American politics.

"meddling"

lol

well yeah. reading up on Ike's Guatemalan coup is pretty disgusting.
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Post by: sys on June 25, 2018, 09:00:14 PM
Yea they obviously have no incentive to help us but it appears to be coming st the expense of these people

they do have a responsibility to maintain a safe environment for mexican citizens as well as other persons linving in or visiting mexico.  they have not been doing well at this.
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Post by: sys on June 25, 2018, 09:01:31 PM
well yeah. reading up on Ike's Guatemalan coup is pretty disgusting.

that's 60+ years ago.
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Post by: michigancat on June 25, 2018, 09:04:31 PM
well yeah. reading up on Ike's Guatemalan coup is pretty disgusting.

that's 60+ years ago.

indeed it was
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Post by: renocat on June 26, 2018, 06:45:28 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dem-lawmaker-introduces-bill-to-abolish-ice/ar-AAz9hCg
Abolish ICE. 
Yes that will solve everything.
What kind of defective sperm was involved in the spawning of these stoopid people?
Let's vilify law enforcement as white nationalists like this guy did ... ding dong stoopid?
Maybe stoopid should do his job and change the law.
Sorry, my mistake.
  He is an irrational angry and stoopid democrat.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 26, 2018, 08:13:32 AM
ICE has only been around for 15 years. How much has illegal immigration declined since their formation? How effective are they?
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 26, 2018, 08:22:29 AM
I don't have a problem with ice, it's the current president that needs abolished
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Post by: sys on June 26, 2018, 08:59:15 AM
ice got to go.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 26, 2018, 04:16:28 PM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/immigration-attorney-says-ice-broke-her-foot-locked-her-up?ref=scroll

What critical role do these people perform that couldn't be handled by competent people instead? Who did deportations before 2003?
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 26, 2018, 04:29:01 PM
Dax should have some great fun with this quote

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Post by: bucket on June 26, 2018, 04:48:19 PM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 26, 2018, 05:44:26 PM
Looks like an immigration crack down all over the EU and related countries.

Time for LiBBots to disassociate themselves with the Euro's?
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 26, 2018, 09:48:02 PM
If they're being racist assholes about it, yeah. Sure.
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Post by: sys on June 26, 2018, 09:53:28 PM
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Post by: catastrophe on June 26, 2018, 11:15:48 PM
Yikes
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Post by: chum1 on June 26, 2018, 11:33:59 PM
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 26, 2018, 11:37:14 PM
I thought Trump already did that.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 27, 2018, 06:40:08 AM
Bold move by that judge. 
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 27, 2018, 08:44:11 AM
https://harpers.org/archive/2017/03/the-emigrants/
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Post by: sys on June 27, 2018, 08:54:37 AM
good job, 14th amendment and federal judges.
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Post by: ChiCat on June 27, 2018, 08:57:22 AM
I thought Trump already did that.

I think judge was ruling out take-backsies which is oddly necessary with this administration
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 27, 2018, 10:48:02 AM
Doing some more research.  Just tragic who the previous administration was getting in bed with in Central America and Northern South America, nothing is going to change until that changes.

But the ProgLib isn't interested in root cause, only the selective outrage of the day.

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Post by: 8manpick on June 27, 2018, 11:22:41 AM
Quote
Tips For Staying Civil While Debating Child Prisons

Recent incidents of Trump officials being confronted in public for their role in the administration’s separation and imprisonment of immigrant families have driven renewed concern about the lack of civility in U.S. politics. The Onion presents tips for staying civil in a debate about child prisons.
  • Avoid unkind generalizations like equating the jailing of ethnic minorities with some malevolent form of fascism.
  • Consider that we all have different perspectives stemming from things like age, ethnicity, or level of racism.
  • Recall that violently rejecting a tyrannical government goes against everything our forefathers believed in.
  • Find common ground by recognizing that some kids are huge assholes.
  • Make sure any protests are peaceful, silent, and completely out of sight of anyone who could actually affect government policy.
  • Give your political opponents the benefit of the doubt by letting this play out for 20 years and seeing if it gets any better on its own.
  • Give your political opponents the benefit of the doubt by letting this play out for 20 years and seeing if it gets any better on its own.
  • Realize that every pressing social issue is solved through civil discourse if you ignore virtually all of human history.
  • Remind yourself that you’re just two people having a cocktail at the same D.C. party and that politics is a game to you.
  • Avoid painting with a broad brush. Not everyone in favor of zero-tolerance immigration wants to see children in cages—it’s more likely that they just don’t care.


https://www.theonion.com/tips-for-staying-civil-while-debating-child-prisons-1827147411
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 27, 2018, 11:24:17 AM
Doing some more research.  Just tragic who the previous administration was getting in bed with in Central America and Northern South America, nothing is going to change until that changes.

But the ProgLib isn't interested in root cause, only the selective outrage of the day.
Shhhhh. Don't spoil their parade.
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Post by: ChiCat on June 27, 2018, 11:37:55 AM
Doing some more research.  Just tragic who the previous administration was getting in bed with in Central America and Northern South America, nothing is going to change until that changes.

But the ProgLib isn't interested in root cause, only the selective outrage of the day.
Shhhhh. Don't spoil their parade.

Don't just rub our noses in it Wacky, enlighten us with your take on the past administration's policies in South and Central America.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on June 27, 2018, 11:56:10 AM
Doing some more research.  Just tragic who the previous administration was getting in bed with in Central America and Northern South America, nothing is going to change until that changes.

But the ProgLib isn't interested in root cause, only the selective outrage of the day.
Shhhhh. Don't spoil their parade.

Don't just rub our noses in it Wacky, enlighten us with your take on the past administration's policies in South and Central America.

That would entail something besides follow the leader, which may be impossible.
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Post by: Phil Titola on June 27, 2018, 12:00:50 PM
Doing some more research.  Just tragic who the previous administration was getting in bed with in Central America and Northern South America, nothing is going to change until that changes.

But the ProgLib isn't interested in root cause, only the selective outrage of the day.

Let me help you out with your "root cause" fact finding

Dems did it ----> it was bad
Trump says it -----> good direction
Trump changes his mind and says the exact opposite ----> actual good direction
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Post by: sys on June 27, 2018, 12:34:47 PM
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 28, 2018, 11:16:21 AM
Looks like we can get rid of ICE in 2021 if the election goes well.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/abolishice-movement-gains-support-congress-tuesday-primaries/story?id=56199068
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Post by: sys on June 28, 2018, 11:21:58 AM
that is good news.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 28, 2018, 11:58:48 AM
Can I still Ice my bros?
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Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 28, 2018, 01:16:59 PM
Even if you are legal, you aren't safe.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/781984/ice-rounding-green-card-holders
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Post by: bucket on June 28, 2018, 06:34:01 PM
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Post by: mocat on June 29, 2018, 08:18:58 AM
how Dickensian
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Post by: sys on June 29, 2018, 08:49:16 AM
the movement grows.

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Post by: sys on June 29, 2018, 08:53:59 AM
the people demand more open borders.

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Post by: wetwillie on June 29, 2018, 09:04:22 AM
Polling is an unreliable way to measure public desires
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 29, 2018, 11:07:52 AM
Everyone knows we need a more streamlined and efficient immigration system, and everyone with a brain knows that we need much more strident border security in a post 911 world.

But I know how LibBots love to downplay the security aspect of the border.   (note to resident LibBots.   LibBots is a universal label, when I reference you specifically, I'll say "Resident LibBots")



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Post by: mocat on June 29, 2018, 11:10:34 AM
Everyone knows we need a more streamlined and efficient immigration system

yes. has any politician tried to get some legislature or funding w/r/t this?
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Post by: catastrophe on June 29, 2018, 11:12:57 AM
Everyone knows we need a more streamlined and efficient immigration system

yes. has any politician tried to get some legislature or funding w/r/t this?

Current 100% prosecution policy has really kind of put that goal out of reach.
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Post by: sys on June 29, 2018, 11:14:42 AM
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Post by: sys on June 29, 2018, 11:42:51 AM
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/29/17514590/asylum-illegal-central-american-immigration-trump
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Post by: DaBigTrain on June 29, 2018, 12:24:01 PM
This may be NSFW for some people in this thread that get off on these kinds of things.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180629/87a8bd89607a1727c596c00ab0aec3fd.jpg)
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Post by: DaBigTrain on June 30, 2018, 05:08:30 PM
Dax I found you your perfect match!

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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 01, 2018, 08:17:43 PM
SMDH, pure evil.  But a complicit LibBot Nation said nothing (because you didn’t know because you didn’t care).

?https://www.dailywire.com/news/32064/5-horrifying-immigration-stories-happened-under-ryan-saavedra?

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Post by: sys on July 02, 2018, 09:19:15 AM
please blow us up, north korea.

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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 02, 2018, 09:20:20 AM
Dax I found you your perfect match!

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Yeah that’s me.

Love the resident LibBots as you define and redefine Godwin’s Law.
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Post by: sys on July 02, 2018, 10:38:40 AM
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 03, 2018, 01:07:17 PM
Looks like the original nazis are back in action

?s=19
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Post by: chum1 on July 03, 2018, 02:51:18 PM
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Post by: Phil Titola on July 03, 2018, 03:12:27 PM
Isn't option 1 what they did before that Trump made fun of? "Catch and release"?
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Post by: sys on July 03, 2018, 05:41:54 PM
Isn't option 1 what they did before that Trump made fun of? "Catch and release"?

catch and release refers to releasing them inside the united states pending an asylum hearing.  and just as a btw, afai can tell, they had basically stopped doing this prior to trump's inauguration in favor of modified versions where they had some type of parole officer type dude checking on them or had ankle monitors.  those programs had about 95% and 99+% of prospective asylees showing up for their hearings (compared to around 2/3 for the actual caught and released).

option 1 refers to deporting the adult and child together in return for the adult voluntarily withdrawing their plea for asylum, if that wasn't clear from the tweet/article.
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Post by: wetwillie on July 03, 2018, 05:47:58 PM
What happens to the kid if the parent(s) decide to leave them here? Hopefully they don’t get sent to a catholic school.
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Post by: sys on July 03, 2018, 06:11:47 PM
What happens to the kid if the parent(s) decide to leave them here? Hopefully they don’t get sent to a catholic school.

the children will be held hostage until the asylum seeker abandons their claim for asylum, it appears.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 03, 2018, 06:51:52 PM
When they say asylum, they mean anyone for any reason whatsoever.
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on July 03, 2018, 06:54:15 PM
the ol' "my husband is not nice sometimes" defense.  dax already blew holes in that one
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Post by: sys on July 05, 2018, 10:48:43 AM
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Post by: sys on July 05, 2018, 10:49:17 AM
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Post by: mocat on July 05, 2018, 12:01:57 PM
So mumped
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Post by: sys on July 05, 2018, 03:15:34 PM
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on July 05, 2018, 07:27:57 PM
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Post by: sys on July 05, 2018, 08:13:13 PM
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Post by: DaBigTrain on July 05, 2018, 08:28:42 PM
Dax won’t be able to contain his joy when he reads that tweet. 
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 06, 2018, 01:42:06 AM
He popped a viagra and absolutely cannot wait for it to kick in
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 06, 2018, 01:57:14 AM
aww man, this is going to kill his bone :frown:

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Post by: sys on July 06, 2018, 08:46:55 AM
not a great policy in terms of helping reunify the families we tore apart, but very far-sighted in terms of impeding future prosecutions for human rights violations.

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Post by: DaBigTrain on July 06, 2018, 09:19:44 AM
Dax is happy again!
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 06, 2018, 01:49:13 PM
Good for Canada.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/trudeau-canada-refugees-banned-u-s
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Post by: chum1 on July 06, 2018, 04:34:30 PM
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Post by: chum1 on July 06, 2018, 05:07:15 PM
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Post by: sys on July 06, 2018, 08:50:27 PM
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 06, 2018, 09:26:45 PM
Dax is happy again!

ROCK HARD
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Post by: DaBigTrain on July 08, 2018, 11:51:24 AM
Dax is happy again!

ROCK HARD

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Post by: sys on July 08, 2018, 01:46:22 PM
good god.
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Post by: chum1 on July 10, 2018, 12:54:54 PM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 10, 2018, 01:05:39 PM
Good to see resident LibBots so WOKE.

Not a peep when your guy was deporting tens of thousands of people, or sending mixed messages that put thousands of unaccompanied children on the trail north with thousands of women and girls being sexually abused along the way . . . not to mention the 2014 marches through razor wired filled Obama internment camps.

I just recall that this is the same type of people protesting ICE breaking up a child sex ring.



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Post by: bubbles4ksu on July 10, 2018, 01:20:05 PM
that's terrible.  i don't remember what i've posted in this thread so i'll risk repeating myself: i'm against any policy created to antagonize people who want a better life.

i think it's reasonable(not close to the main concern tho) to ask why the parent hasn't found a way back to the child.  the answer is almost certainly because either the database that tracks where non-citizens are detained is shitty or the parent is afraid of law enforcement.

i've represented a few illegal immigrants in criminal matters.  in a huge majority of these cases the victim was another illegal.  in some the crime was a battery in a hotel between two co-workers on a construction crew. but a lot of these incidents resulted from one dude ripping another off in some manner, either not repaying a loan or destroying property.  if you're a non-citizen and get cheated there is no legal recourse, so you smash up his car or kick his ass.  the fear of law enforcement and the plain lack of access to courts actually makes it pretty damn hard to live according to the law.  i don't know what the solution is.  maybe if you successfully sue someone you get a citizenship pass with your settlement check?
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Post by: I_have_purplewood on July 10, 2018, 01:31:24 PM
Good to see resident LibBots so WOKE.

Not a peep when your guy was deporting tens of thousands of people, or sending mixed messages that put thousands of unaccompanied children on the trail north with thousands of women and girls being sexually abused along the way . . . not to mention the 2014 marches through razor wired filled Obama internment camps.

I just recall that this is the same type of people protesting ICE breaking up a child sex ring.

C'mon Dax that was 2014.   :rolleyes: (ftp://:rolleyes:)
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 10, 2018, 01:36:28 PM
Good to see resident LibBots so WOKE.

Not a peep when your guy was deporting tens of thousands of people, or sending mixed messages that put thousands of unaccompanied children on the trail north with thousands of women and girls being sexually abused along the way . . . not to mention the 2014 marches through razor wired filled Obama internment camps.

I just recall that this is the same type of people protesting ICE breaking up a child sex ring.



C'mon Dax that was 2014.   :rolleyes: (ftp://:rolleyes:)

We're still dealing with those mixed messages today . . . but the past doesn't matter.

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Post by: sys on July 10, 2018, 03:40:57 PM
strange that we haven't been able to reunite the children with their parents as ordered by the court.  i'm sure we're doing our best.

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Post by: sys on July 10, 2018, 03:45:39 PM
read thread.

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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 10, 2018, 04:01:55 PM
sys, please refer me to ACLU actions on "geo repatriation" and similar.  No doubt that they were all over the removing of patriarchs from families, shipping them 1000 miles away and then sending them back across the border. 

Thanks in advance, friend.

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Post by: catastrophe on July 10, 2018, 04:08:15 PM
that's terrible.  i don't remember what i've posted in this thread so i'll risk repeating myself: i'm against any policy created to antagonize people who want a better life.

i think it's reasonable(not close to the main concern tho) to ask why the parent hasn't found a way back to the child.  the answer is almost certainly because either the database that tracks where non-citizens are detained is shitty or the parent is afraid of law enforcement.

i've represented a few illegal immigrants in criminal matters.  in a huge majority of these cases the victim was another illegal.  in some the crime was a battery in a hotel between two co-workers on a construction crew. but a lot of these incidents resulted from one dude ripping another off in some manner, either not repaying a loan or destroying property.  if you're a non-citizen and get cheated there is no legal recourse, so you smash up his car or kick his ass.  the fear of law enforcement and the plain lack of access to courts actually makes it pretty damn hard to live according to the law.  i don't know what the solution is.  maybe if you successfully sue someone you get a citizenship pass with your settlement check?

The solution is pretty simple. Stop acting like immigration is some scourge on society, implement a simple process to become a legal immigrant, and allow those folks to benefit from law enforcement.
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Post by: sys on July 10, 2018, 07:48:38 PM
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Post by: sys on July 10, 2018, 08:47:39 PM
i've posted this before, but i don't think it can be posted too frequently.

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Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 10, 2018, 10:43:09 PM
Good to see resident LibBots so WOKE.

Not a peep when your guy was deporting tens of thousands of people, or sending mixed messages that put thousands of unaccompanied children on the trail north with thousands of women and girls being sexually abused along the way . . . not to mention the 2014 marches through razor wired filled Obama internment camps.

I just recall that this is the same type of people protesting ICE breaking up a child sex ring.


Now seems like a great time to remind our guy Dax that this thread was made for him about 3 weeks ago and he still hasn't weighed in:
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=40622.0
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Post by: Tubesock on July 10, 2018, 11:22:43 PM
i've posted this before, but i don't think it can be posted too frequently.


If your posts could be put on a loop it would be great
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Post by: sys on July 11, 2018, 12:25:10 AM
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Post by: sys on July 11, 2018, 12:25:58 AM
If your posts could be put on a loop it would be great

i don't think it would help you.
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Post by: Tubesock on July 11, 2018, 12:29:09 AM
But think how great it would be
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Post by: sys on July 12, 2018, 10:14:45 AM
obviously, it's really bad that they may have kidnapped an american citizen's child.  it's also really bad that they definitely have kidnapped thousands of non-citizen's children and are fumbling all over themselves in failing to comply with the order to reunite them.

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Post by: sys on July 14, 2018, 10:25:31 AM
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Post by: sys on July 14, 2018, 11:01:15 AM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 14, 2018, 12:40:06 PM
Good to see resident LibBots so WOKE.

Not a peep when your guy was deporting tens of thousands of people, or sending mixed messages that put thousands of unaccompanied children on the trail north with thousands of women and girls being sexually abused along the way . . . not to mention the 2014 marches through razor wired filled Obama internment camps.

I just recall that this is the same type of people protesting ICE breaking up a child sex ring.


Now seems like a great time to remind our guy Dax that this thread was made for him about 3 weeks ago and he still hasn't weighed in:
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=40622.0

Is it restraining order time?
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Post by: sys on July 14, 2018, 07:24:15 PM
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Post by: steve dave on July 14, 2018, 07:25:05 PM
Well that’s good


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Post by: sys on July 14, 2018, 07:57:28 PM
american exceptionalism is alive and well at the un.
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Post by: sys on July 18, 2018, 11:28:02 AM
read thread

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Post by: sys on July 19, 2018, 09:06:27 AM
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Post by: sys on July 19, 2018, 04:36:57 PM
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Post by: mocat on July 19, 2018, 05:34:58 PM
Yeah but obama mural
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Post by: sys on July 19, 2018, 11:45:59 PM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2018, 03:29:02 PM
Root cause analysis.

Daniel Ortega, once again unleashing the military and special forces on the people.

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aS-RfD_5XZ0/WHWmr_bk9-I/AAAAAAAAODg/VPOKQoEebcIo-vrEEW-r43KKVFbcvITPgCLcB/s1600/ortegeaImage4.jpg)

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article214790385.html
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Post by: sys on July 24, 2018, 05:55:00 PM
makes it hard to argue asylum-seekers are fleeing abusive spouses.
Title: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2018, 06:23:12 PM
A shame the previous administration coddled that brutal regime then sent mixed messages about the border.   

But fake humanitarians like SysGurgler didn’t care back then. 

An unmitigated foreign policy disaster.
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Post by: sys on July 25, 2018, 07:22:09 PM
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Post by: sys on July 25, 2018, 07:33:03 PM
proud of my country for making sure this woman won't be shamed for her failure at lactation.

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Post by: chum1 on July 26, 2018, 12:47:17 PM
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Post by: DaBigTrain on July 26, 2018, 01:00:22 PM
Dax!  :Woohoo:
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 26, 2018, 01:22:45 PM
Dax!  :Woohoo:

It figures that a LibBot jackboot such as you would want the Central American thugs propped up so more people are forced out of their countries.

Sad, SMDH
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Post by: DaBigTrain on July 26, 2018, 01:31:34 PM
Dax!  :Woohoo:

It figures that a LibBot jackboot such as you would want the Central American thugs propped up so more people are forced out of their countries.

Sad, SMDH

The administration is doing the right thing with these children.

-Dax
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 26, 2018, 01:52:04 PM
Dax!  :Woohoo:

It figures that a LibBot jackboot such as you would want the Central American thugs propped up so more people are forced out of their countries.

Sad, SMDH

The administration is doing the right thing with these children.

-Dax

I didn't say that.   What's clearly evident since you get so mad every time your guy is brought up, is that you fully supported your guy chumming it all up with thugs like Ortega.   Which in turn kick started the unaccompanied migration to the U.S. border. 

SMDH

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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 27, 2018, 03:33:45 AM
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/article215568330.html
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 27, 2018, 12:27:24 PM
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MtDwPr9pAGo/WHWnf8ta6lI/AAAAAAAAODk/ZwK8NuTWfu0srVT-ska_5eRhyb9KixvtQCLcB/s1600/WHT202_SUMMIT-AMERICAS_0419.jpg)

The gunmen — between 1,000 and 1,500 of them, according to some estimates — are part of a recently formed paramilitary force protecting the continued rule of President Daniel Ortega against a three-month-old civilian uprising. Their main tactic is terror. They conduct roundups, fire at protesters, carry out dark-of-night raids and menace the population.
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Post by: sys on July 27, 2018, 01:57:30 PM
can't wait until the crazy right-wing pedophilia vigilantes catch wind of these govt sponsored pedophilia camps.

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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 27, 2018, 03:13:20 PM
Root cause analysis:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/from-president-to-prison-otto-perez-molina-and-a-day-for-hope-in-guatemala

(https://panampost.com/wp-content/uploads/otto-perez-molina-barack-obama.jpg)
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 27, 2018, 03:30:07 PM
root cause analysis

(https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13149718.jpg)
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Post by: DaBigTrain on July 27, 2018, 03:39:31 PM
:lol:
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Post by: sys on July 27, 2018, 03:41:01 PM
 :lol:
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Post by: 8manpick on July 27, 2018, 04:01:47 PM
It's like dax took a management consulting class this week where he learned about "Root Cause Analysis" and now he is working it into his everyday conversations whenever possible.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 27, 2018, 04:14:49 PM
Is there a Central American thug that Barrack didn’t love? 

Really is a shame that LibBot Nation never said a word. 

So willingly complicit.  SMDH
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Post by: sys on July 27, 2018, 04:30:40 PM
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Post by: chum1 on July 28, 2018, 09:28:57 AM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 28, 2018, 01:32:14 PM
Say what

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Post by: sys on July 29, 2018, 02:59:07 PM
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 31, 2018, 01:26:03 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna895966

Quote
A class-action lawsuit filed on behalf of children at Shiloh in April alleged that children being held in facilities like Shiloh are almost certain to be administered psychotropic drugs like Prozac regardless of their conditions and without their parents' consent, it says. The suit alleges that the drugs are a "chemical strait jacket" used to manage trauma preemptively.
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Post by: sys on July 31, 2018, 11:48:44 PM
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Post by: catastrophe on August 01, 2018, 12:18:35 AM
Cross-post pos pubs thread.
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on August 01, 2018, 07:20:55 AM
I'm pretty sure trump thinks psychological injury is a feature of zero tolerance, not a bug.
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 01, 2018, 08:59:54 AM
Fyi dax, you sound pathetic and desperate
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 01, 2018, 09:30:14 AM

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Looking like this might be similar to how Otto Warmbier didn't die in North Korean custody.
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on August 02, 2018, 09:27:31 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/us-wants-aclu-to-take-lead-on-reuniting-separated-families/2018/08/02/2e3f6852-96b1-11e8-818b-e9b7348cd87d_story.html?utm_term=.6ffd049b18f8

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President Donald Trump’s administration puts the onus on the ACLU, asking that the organization use its “considerable resources” to find parents in their home countries, predominantly Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras. The U.S. Justice Department said in a court filing that the State Department has begun talks with foreign governments on how the administration may be able to aid the effort.
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Post by: sys on August 03, 2018, 09:32:21 AM
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Post by: bucket on August 03, 2018, 03:37:30 PM
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on August 03, 2018, 03:47:48 PM
And her husband voted for trump
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Post by: sys on August 03, 2018, 08:37:51 PM
they specifically targeted adults with children so as to separate them.

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Post by: DaBigTrain on August 03, 2018, 08:50:52 PM
MAGA
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Post by: bucket on August 03, 2018, 09:10:26 PM
they specifically targeted adults with children so as to separate them.


Impressively subtle
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Post by: sys on August 04, 2018, 04:04:03 PM
And her husband voted for trump

i thought you were joking, but it's actually true.  so the apparently sad story above is actually wonderful news.
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Post by: sys on August 22, 2018, 06:00:13 PM
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Post by: sys on August 24, 2018, 11:34:48 PM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 25, 2018, 08:25:13 AM
Catch and release leads to lost children. 

But apparently fake humanitarian sys is okay with that.

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Post by: sys on August 26, 2018, 03:51:36 PM
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Post by: sys on August 30, 2018, 01:12:00 AM
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Post by: DaBigTrain on September 12, 2018, 05:54:55 PM
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Post by: DaBigTrain on September 21, 2018, 10:39:03 PM
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Post by: sys on September 22, 2018, 06:41:38 PM
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Post by: sys on September 26, 2018, 11:15:06 PM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 26, 2018, 11:26:18 PM
Jon Cryer . . . buzzfeed  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by: catastrophe on September 27, 2018, 12:27:15 AM
Looks like they posted the memo you can read for yourself :dunno:
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 27, 2018, 09:12:50 AM
Posting a memo and reporting what is stated in it just isn't sensational enough. Buzzfeed needs to actually go out and create the news like Project Veritas does if they want conservatives to take them seriously.
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on September 27, 2018, 09:20:26 AM
I think Veritas hooks conservatives with a big claim and then they don't deliver, but conservatives for some reason never remember the not delivering aspect. Very similar to trump.

Tldr: regresocons love a big bold claim and have no interest validity
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 05, 2018, 01:55:33 PM
https://reason.com/blog/2018/10/04/immigrant-girl-will-be-deported-because
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Post by: chum1 on October 12, 2018, 08:53:37 AM
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Post by: catastrophe on October 12, 2018, 10:59:55 AM
That is so gross.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on October 12, 2018, 12:12:03 PM
That is so gross.

There are several posters on this blog that are overjoyed about this.
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on October 12, 2018, 12:20:27 PM
I still don't understand why kids don't get court appointed representation on immigration issues. I don't think I've ever seen a reason. Anyone know?
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Post by: sys on November 25, 2018, 10:11:40 PM
may god wipe our abomination of a country from the face of this earth.

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Post by: michigancat on November 25, 2018, 10:27:01 PM
may god wipe our abomination of a country from the face of this earth.

Agreed
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Post by: Tubesock on November 25, 2018, 10:45:23 PM
Glad to see you creeps embrace God
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Post by: sys on December 08, 2018, 10:31:56 PM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 10, 2018, 05:00:29 PM
Troops withdrawing from boarder so looks like the problem is resolved.
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Post by: Katdaddy on December 11, 2018, 02:17:28 AM
Troops withdrawing from boarder so looks like the problem is resolved.


Yea, mid-terms is over.  No one cares about the boarder now.
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Post by: chum1 on December 12, 2018, 03:05:54 PM
What in the rough ridin' eff?

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Post by: DaBigTrain on December 12, 2018, 07:35:48 PM
#MAGA
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Post by: DaBigTrain on December 13, 2018, 07:10:46 PM
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Post by: chum1 on December 13, 2018, 07:16:25 PM
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Post by: Spracne on December 13, 2018, 08:27:22 PM

I know some of you shitheads think I'm a Trump stooge (looking at you, sys, among others), but I actually focus my pro bono practice on these exact issues. I've reviewed most, if not all of the relevant filings in federal district court in this area, and I can attest that there is indeed some insidious crap going on as a result of policy changes the past 1.5 years.

This particular issue is the result of an agreement reached between ICE (responsible for detaining adult immigrants) and HHS/ORR (responsible for the "care" and placement of immigrant minors) earlier this year to share information. Until this year, the Office of Refugee Resettlement (the agency delegated with responsibility for handling minors), pursuant to a consent decree in effect for decades and several federal laws, had required background checks for any adults who sought to "sponsor" immigrant children and thus take custody of them pending resolution of immigration cases. This year, in addition to the new information sharing arrangement, ORR changed their policies to require fingerprinting and background checks for all adults in the same household as the "sponsor." By the way, the "sponsor" is almost always a parent or family member. Once detected, ICE/DHS/HHS/ORR has expansive and dubious authority to take people into custody based on nothing more than speculative gang affiliations. No due process, just a discretionary hunch. At that point, good luck ever leaving detention.

When you come from areas of countries where gangs exercise more authority than the supposed local governments, ever-y-body has "gang affiliations," as a matter of bare survival. Total BS. But courts are starting to push back, and I'm fairly confident this move by the Executive will result in substantial pushback from the Judiciary. It already has in several important cases, and there are several massive class actions pending that could hamstring the administrative agencies responsible for implementing these policies, at least until a change in leadership occurs.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on December 13, 2018, 08:28:35 PM

I know some of you shitheads think I'm a Trump stooge (looking at you, sys, among others), but I actually focus my pro bono practice on these exact issues. I've reviewed most, if not all of the relevant filings in federal district court in this area, and I can attest that there is indeed some insidious crap going on as a result of policy changes the past 1.5 years.

This particular issue is the result of an agreement reached between ICE (responsible for detaining adult immigrants) and HHS/ORR (responsible for the "care" and placement of immigrant minors) earlier this year to share information. Until this year, the Office of Refugee Resettlement (the agency delegated with responsibility for handling minors), pursuant to a consent decree in effect for decades and several federal laws, had required background checks for any adults who sought to "sponsor" immigrant children and thus take custody of them pending resolution of immigration cases. This year, in addition to the new information sharing arrangement, ORR changed their policies to require fingerprinting and background checks for all adults in the same household as the "sponsor." By the way, the "sponsor" is almost always a parent or family member. Once detected, ICE/DHS/HHS/ORR has expansive and dubious authority to take people into custody based on nothing more than speculative gang affiliations. No due process, just a discretionary hunch. At that point, good luck ever leaving detention.

When you come from areas of countries where gangs exercise more authority than the supposed local governments, ever-y-body has "gang affiliations," as a matter of bare survival. Total BS. But courts are starting to push back, and I'm fairly confident this move by the Executive will result in substantial pushback from the Judiciary. It already has in several important cases, and there are several massive class actions pending that could hamstring the administrative agencies responsible for implementing these policies, at least until a change in leadership occurs.

I read the first sentence and have all the info I need to conclude that, yes, you are a big Trumper.
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Post by: Spracne on December 13, 2018, 08:31:55 PM
Well, I'm glad you're making a difference by being snarky on the internet, bub. Keep fighting the good fight :thumbs:


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Post by: DaBigTrain on December 13, 2018, 08:32:36 PM
I also did read the whole thing after posting that and it validates what us non-Trumpers have been saying. That indeed Trump is a pos and his people and supporters do indeed want this crap to go on.
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Post by: sys on December 13, 2018, 09:25:28 PM
I actually focus my pro bono practice on these exact issues. I've reviewed most, if not all of the relevant filings in federal district court in this area.

good for you.  i am happy to know this.
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Post by: Chingon on December 13, 2018, 09:30:57 PM
I actually focus my pro bono practice on these exact issues. I've reviewed most, if not all of the relevant filings in federal district court in this area.

good for you.  i am happy to know this.
He didn't say which side...:nono:
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Post by: Spracne on December 13, 2018, 09:31:16 PM
I'm on the record long ago saying that one good thing that could come from this presidency is the erosion of presidential power, and this is one such area where it appears we are seeing exactly that, even though it's not very visible to most or talked about in these terms in popular media.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on December 13, 2018, 10:09:19 PM
Well Breitbart isn’t gonna talk about it much, so we agree.
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Post by: Spracne on December 13, 2018, 10:24:16 PM
Well you see, you're a basic bitch. But it's not your fault. Media across the entire spectrum fail to analyze current events through the lens of balance of power among the coordinate branches. It just happens to be something I'm interested in.

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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 13, 2018, 10:29:17 PM
A story about the positive aspects of having the worst president in the history of the United States would be interesting.
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Post by: Tubesock on December 13, 2018, 10:40:23 PM
Cat from DC v. Spracne is my favorite ge feud by far  :love: 

              #TeamSpracne
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on December 13, 2018, 11:28:39 PM
Such a mismatch shouldn't count as a fued
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Post by: Tubesock on December 13, 2018, 11:50:40 PM
I agree but didn’t know what else to call it, a fly swatting maybe
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Post by: catastrophe on December 14, 2018, 03:09:54 PM
I miss the old wacky/tbt dust ups :frown:
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Post by: Tubesock on December 14, 2018, 03:40:06 PM
Those were very evenly matched but so boring
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Post by: DaBigTrain on December 16, 2018, 12:01:07 AM
I miss the old wacky/tbt dust ups :frown:

Wacky won all of those. I can say that because TBT had his account deleted.
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Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 16, 2018, 12:29:40 AM
Wacky never lets you maintain your account after he kicks yer ass.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on December 16, 2018, 12:53:58 AM
Wacky never lets you maintain your account after he kicks yer ass.

That satisfaction must be intense. What a rush!
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Post by: chum1 on December 16, 2018, 09:08:47 PM
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Post by: DaBigTrain on December 16, 2018, 09:23:13 PM
This administration has to consider its captives humans before they consider it a death worth reporting.

OR

In this case, being forced to say something happened.
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Post by: Katdaddy on December 16, 2018, 09:52:39 PM
I miss the old wacky/tbt dust ups :frown:

Wacky won all of those. I can say that because TBT had his account deleted.


So that's what happened to that rube.  :surprised:
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on December 18, 2018, 07:44:50 PM
@sys

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Post by: sys on December 18, 2018, 09:07:10 PM
that seems like a highly improbable tale, but it would be great if just that one wall could be built.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 18, 2018, 10:52:19 PM
Eminent domain would pay fair market value for her land. She wouldn’t live in Mexico. She would just have to use the money the government gives her to move to some different land in the US.
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Post by: sys on December 19, 2018, 03:13:31 PM
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Post by: Spracne on December 19, 2018, 03:19:48 PM
Same Judge that went ham on Flynn.

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Post by: sys on December 29, 2018, 12:52:41 PM
if you can't laugh at politics in the pit, what can you laugh at.  ha ha ha.

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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on December 29, 2018, 01:21:31 PM
Hilarious
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Post by: LickNeckey on January 17, 2019, 10:27:44 AM
Hi. A few observations in no particular order....

1. Wow. Have not seen a thread blow up so quickly over the course of a week since the early days of the phony Russia COLUSION scandal. Good times. Speaking of which, whatever happened to that sputtering Russian COLUSION scandal? Or all those never-Trumper FBI agents exposed in the IG Report? Or the booming job reports or economy? CHILD CONCENTRATION CAMPS!!!! :runaway:

2. We separate kids from "parents" because (1) some of those "parents" aren't, and (2) it's generally frowned upon to confine children with adults. Currently, the only option to keep the families unified is to release them into the US with a citation, which (wouldn't you know it) is exactly what open-borders zealots want. Another way to keep them unified would be to prevent them from entering the US.... I guess open-borders is the higher priority.

3. Trump can't count on Congress to do anything. The Dems want this crisis, and the GOP is too divided over how to fix it. So I suspect Trump will soon issue an executive order requiring families to be housed together pending adjudication of their cases. And the left will immediately sue to stop it. Because, again, open borders is the true priority. I think you all know this is exactly what will happen. Which just goes to show how phony your outrage really is.

4. Somewhere in this thread, Sys actually posted an article advocating for the abolition of all national sovereignty. LOL.

5. Providing food, lodging, toys, medical care, and field trips to illegal immigrant children is "inhumane?" What would you call being smuggled to the border? Or the dead kids floating in the Rio Grande or suffocated in sweltering tractor trailers? Or the (HuffPo estimated) 80% of girls who are raped during the journey?

6. If escaping third world crime, corruption, and squalor is grounds for asylum, basically all illegal immigrants would be entitled to asylum, right? So that can't be grounds for asylum, right? That is, unless you're an open-borders zealot.

 :Ugh:
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Post by: sys on January 17, 2019, 03:52:46 PM
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Post by: chum1 on January 17, 2019, 04:13:10 PM

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on January 17, 2019, 04:14:59 PM
Pure evil
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Post by: chum1 on January 17, 2019, 04:16:22 PM
Pure evil

I mean, yeah. There is no other way to really describe it.
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Post by: sys on January 17, 2019, 06:05:29 PM
Pure evil

I mean, yeah. There is no other way to really describe it.

yes.
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Post by: bucket on January 17, 2019, 06:53:24 PM

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Post by: chum1 on January 18, 2019, 12:22:21 PM
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Post by: Cire on January 18, 2019, 12:27:29 PM
good
Title: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 23, 2019, 08:22:48 AM
Sadly, rolling back the “bring them to heel” culture born of the Clinton’s and Biden’s of the world isn’t going to be easy.   Sadly, Dem leadership is more concerned with the welfare of non citizens aka insta Democrat’s.

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Post by: Chingon on January 23, 2019, 08:50:03 AM
I am glad dax wasn't intimidated by the MSM into not sharing.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 23, 2019, 09:12:05 AM
I am glad dax wasn't intimidated by the MSM into not sharing.

Pretty awful take (as usual) Chin.

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Post by: 8manpick on January 23, 2019, 09:12:09 AM
Surely they only give the black people one strike for one crime
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 23, 2019, 09:30:31 AM
Surely they only give the black people one strike for one crime

So now we're parsing words . . . fantastic stuff as always Resident LibDerps.

Deflecto Meters:  Set to 11
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 26, 2019, 02:29:34 PM
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Post by: sys on February 01, 2019, 11:26:35 PM
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Post by: chum1 on February 02, 2019, 07:46:34 AM
Pretty rough ridin' shady. And kinda goes hand in hand with the rule that asylum seekers must remain in Mexico.

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Post by: 8manpick on February 04, 2019, 11:30:43 AM
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Post by: sys on February 04, 2019, 11:44:52 AM
people need to go to jail for this.
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Post by: catastrophe on February 04, 2019, 12:17:47 PM
Yep
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Post by: Chingon on February 04, 2019, 12:19:13 PM
No one will.
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Post by: catastrophe on February 04, 2019, 12:29:51 PM
Also yep
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 04, 2019, 03:33:18 PM
Unfortunately the LibDerp and Sys-Whack-Ah-Doo rage are about 4 years plus too late in this regard.

Sadly, there was no outrage about about Parental Separation/Geo Re-Location either, nor interrogations and sent back across the border in territories held by drug cartels.

Had you you made your rage known then, possibly the pace of government would have it fixed by now.   But we all know your rage is political, not humanitarian.



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Post by: sys on February 27, 2019, 03:03:18 PM
can't be bothered to keep track of which kid goes with whom.  can be bothered to keep track of every young asylee's menstrual cycle.

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Post by: catastrophe on February 27, 2019, 04:27:31 PM
The deposition excerpt in the comments suggests that they were only tracking it for pregnant women to estimate gestational age.
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Post by: sys on February 27, 2019, 04:43:53 PM
you may be right.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 27, 2019, 05:03:54 PM
Don't bother Sys-Whack-A-Doo with details.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 09, 2019, 12:51:44 PM
Recently introduced legislation in Congress.  Only reaffirms that Libs give exactly zero fucks about the actual people crossing the border illegally.   Rather, as anyone with a brain knew.   Are simply looking for votes. 

FFS, just own the reality and quit the charade.
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on March 09, 2019, 12:54:18 PM
Ffs!
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Post by: chum1 on March 13, 2019, 08:28:26 AM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 13, 2019, 08:30:51 AM

Geo-Relocation . . . brought to you by the Barrack Obama administration.   

Wow, that story is about 4 to 5 years to late.

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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 20, 2019, 11:01:31 AM
So I'm reading about the news reports where an immigrant in Italy set a school bus on fire, filled with 50 Italian school children, thankfully they appear to have been resecued.

It seems he was upset by current Search and Rescue Policy related to African Migrant across the Mediterranean.   Hadn't looked into this before at length, but it appears that Sys-Whack-A-Doo's beloved (and other resident LibDerps) EU had put the brakes on a substantial portion of SAR (Refugee) related operations and at one point turned a substantial portion of that passage back over to whoever is in charge in Libya on that particular day.   So whomever is in charge in Libya on that particular day (thanks Obama) can decide who can and cannot attempt the crossing.

Developing . . .

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Post by: chum1 on March 20, 2019, 11:44:44 AM
Italy obviously needs a wall.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 20, 2019, 11:59:41 AM
Italy obviously needs a wall.

They've already put in a policy wall, dummy. (along with the EU)

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Post by: LickNeckey on March 20, 2019, 12:12:39 PM
what is a policy wall???

is it like steel slats?
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Post by: Katdaddy on March 20, 2019, 12:38:12 PM
:lol: :ROFL:
Good one Lick!   :lol: :ROFL:
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 23, 2019, 10:55:48 AM
Policy Wall is just turning the “rescue” of refugees over to the people they’re fleeing. 

Beloved EU at work. 

In other news, Hungary lauds its border wall with Serbia/Croatia
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Post by: bucket on March 27, 2019, 05:36:37 PM
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Post by: mocat on March 28, 2019, 04:14:14 PM
gah
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Post by: sys on March 29, 2019, 12:46:58 AM
gah

there's, like, at least one absolutely horrible story that come out every day that i randomly come across and could post in this thread.  i'm just not posting them anymore, but the stories are still there.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on March 29, 2019, 07:36:29 AM
Probably a good thing. We don’t want Dax going to the hospital every 4.1 hours.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 29, 2019, 09:54:35 AM
Another 20,000 plus caravan forming in Honduras, already clashes on the border with Mexican locals.

Sadly, the Trump administration has taken the mantle of the idiot Obama Administration and supported Hernandez in Honduras.

Far too much root cause analysis for the resident LibDerp idiots and Sys-Whack-A-Doo types.

Not an emergency though.

Just admit you want wide open borders LibDerps.

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Post by: DaBigTrain on March 29, 2019, 09:43:58 PM
Another ER visit for Dax

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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 31, 2019, 08:37:37 PM
Another ER visit for Dax


I wish the loft I have in your head had a better view, but you can’t argue with free rent.
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Post by: bucket on April 07, 2019, 04:25:38 PM
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on April 07, 2019, 04:32:27 PM
As horrible as she is, the replacement is guaranteed to be even worse.
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Post by: chum1 on April 08, 2019, 09:24:22 AM
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Post by: sys on April 08, 2019, 10:13:20 AM
burn in hell forever, kirstjen nielsen.
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on April 08, 2019, 10:17:49 AM
Yup, I hope she never eats a meal in peace again.
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on April 08, 2019, 11:49:11 AM
 :Crybaby: :Crybaby: :Crybaby:

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Post by: steve dave on April 08, 2019, 12:01:37 PM
Too late


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Post by: sys on April 24, 2019, 05:23:25 PM
my president.   :love:


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Post by: sys on April 24, 2019, 10:08:08 PM
from 2:08 10 or so to 2:11 30sh.  kick their rough ridin' asses, beto.


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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 25, 2019, 07:31:24 AM
Great campaigning theatre right there.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 29, 2019, 10:41:00 AM
https://www.apnews.com/1477a92d5dcbb50ef304967617a8bc37

In other news, you might as well consider the Northern Elements of the Mexican Military the armed wing of the drug cartels.    As far back as several years ago even LibDerp Nation favorties like the HuffPo were talking about the intense corruption within the Mexican Army (not the Mexican Marines) and how the Northern based units were working for the cartels.

Quote
“I can assure you that cartel leadership working the area were debriefed as to the type of weapons and communications our soldiers were carrying: [Whether] the vehicle was armored and the level of resistance the Mexican military received from our soldiers. The response time would have also been measured as to how long it took for backup to arrive post-incident. Cartel operations on U.S. soil are very calculated. They involve tradecraft and the utilization of encrypted communications to monitor all U.S law enforcement in the area.”

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/texas-border-experts-call-foul-rules-engagement-troops-border/

No Border, No Wall . . . NO USA AT ALL!  No Border, No Wall . . . NO USA AT ALL! No Border, No Wall . . . NO USA AT ALL! No Border, No Wall . . . NO USA AT ALL!
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Post by: chum1 on May 22, 2019, 08:30:19 PM
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Post by: DaBigTrain on May 22, 2019, 10:27:55 PM
Dax make sure and go see a Dr 4 hours after you read that tweet.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2019, 10:32:06 PM
Dax make sure and go see a Dr 4 hours after you read that tweet.

Over 100K a month coming over the wall.   Don't blame the people lying about and even kidnapping kids to try and cross the border with them, blame the Trump.   Sad.


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Post by: sys on May 22, 2019, 10:38:32 PM
can't kidnap and cage thousands of eggs without breaking a few.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2019, 10:44:03 PM
can't kidnap and cage thousands of eggs without breaking a few.

Just admit you don't want national sovereignty anymore you rough ridin' whackjob.

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Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2019, 10:48:16 PM
219,000 apprehensions and inadmissibles detained at the Southern Border just in the last two months.

On a pace to destroy the 5 previous FFY.



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Post by: DaBigTrain on May 22, 2019, 10:51:19 PM
"So some kids died, meh" - Dax
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2019, 10:52:30 PM
"So some kids died, meh" - Dax

My party encourages human traffickers  . . . The Big Dumbass

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Post by: DaBigTrain on May 22, 2019, 10:58:26 PM
"So some kids died, meh" - Dax

My party encourages human traffickers  . . . The Big Dumbass

"I myself don't care about brown kids dying because they are animals, which is what my Dear Leader told me to say, so I will." - Dax
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2019, 11:02:12 PM
"So some kids died, meh" - Dax

My party encourages human traffickers  . . . The Big Dumbass

"I myself don't care about brown kids dying because they are animals, which is what my Dear Leader told me to say, so I will." - Dax

"I never said a word why the 'Deporter in Chief' sent thousands back to their countries, had DHS interrogate unaccompanied minors and send the back across the border into the clutches of Drug Cartels,  and I fully support protesting ICE while they break up sex trafficking rings" -The Big Dumbass

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Post by: catastrophe on May 22, 2019, 11:02:42 PM
219,000 apprehensions and inadmissibles detained at the Southern Border just in the last two months.

On a pace to destroy the 5 previous FFY.

At least we can all agree Trump is definitely doing something wrong.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2019, 11:04:25 PM
219,000 apprehensions and inadmissibles detained at the Southern Border just in the last two months.

On a pace to destroy the 5 previous FFY.

At least we can all agree Trump is definitely doing something wrong.

Yes, it's Trump, not LibDerp Nation sending a clear message to the coyotes, drug cartels and human traffickers that they're flying air cover for them every step of the way.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on May 22, 2019, 11:07:55 PM
"So some kids died, meh" - Dax

My party encourages human traffickers  . . . The Big Dumbass

"I myself don't care about brown kids dying because they are animals, which is what my Dear Leader told me to say, so I will." - Dax

"I never said a word why the 'Deporter in Chief' sent thousands back to their countries, had DHS interrogate unaccompanied minors and send the back across the border into the clutches of Drug Cartels,  and I fully support protesting ICE while they break up sex trafficking rings" -The Big Dumbass

"I bitch about things that people didn't say or confront, meanwhile I didn't bitch or confront them at the time BUT I DID THINK ABOUT IT at the time. So that makes me better than everyone, because, I didn't post about it, but I THOUGHT ABOUT MAYBE SAYING SOMETHING AT THE TIME." - Dax
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2019, 11:10:34 PM
"So some kids died, meh" - Dax

My party encourages human traffickers  . . . The Big Dumbass

"I myself don't care about brown kids dying because they are animals, which is what my Dear Leader told me to say, so I will." - Dax

"I never said a word why the 'Deporter in Chief' sent thousands back to their countries, had DHS interrogate unaccompanied minors and send the back across the border into the clutches of Drug Cartels,  and I fully support protesting ICE while they break up sex trafficking rings" -The Big Dumbass

"I bitch about things that people didn't say or confront, meanwhile I didn't bitch or confront them at the time BUT I DID THINK ABOUT IT at the time. So that makes me better than everyone, because, I didn't post about it, but I THOUGHT ABOUT MAYBE SAYING SOMETHING AT THE TIME." - Dax

"I fully support the Mexican northern province genocides as committed by the Drug Cartels, as long as it brings open borders to the United States and my drugs to me"  The Big Tuck

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Post by: catastrophe on May 22, 2019, 11:12:09 PM
219,000 apprehensions and inadmissibles detained at the Southern Border just in the last two months.

On a pace to destroy the 5 previous FFY.

At least we can all agree Trump is definitely doing something wrong.

Yes, it's Trump, not LibDerp Nation sending a clear message to the coyotes, drug cartels and human traffickers that they're flying air cover for them every step of the way.

Agreed the #1 problem is people publicly opposing our president Dax. Let’s lock up those nuisances so we can finally watch America become great again! :cheers:
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Post by: DaBigTrain on May 22, 2019, 11:14:09 PM
Dax, I don't support that at all.  This was a fun exchange until you said something that I don't support.  I have been truthful in representing you in this back and forth.  I'm a little disappointed you would do something like this.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2019, 11:18:15 PM
Dax, I don't support that at all.  This was a fun exchange until you said something that I don't support.  I have been truthful in representing you in this back and forth.  I'm a little disappointed you would do something like this.

You're a disingenuous no nothing, who never said a word about any of this until 2016.

Your guy broke up families and was dubbed the "deporter n chief" and you said . . . nothing.

Now your party facilitates drug traffickers and human traffickers.





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Post by: DaBigTrain on May 22, 2019, 11:26:26 PM
Dax, I don't support that at all.  This was a fun exchange until you said something that I don't support.  I have been truthful in representing you in this back and forth.  I'm a little disappointed you would do something like this.

You're a disingenuous no nothing, who never said a word about any of this until 2016.

Your guy broke up families and was dubbed the "deporter n chief" and you said . . . nothing.

Now your party facilitates drug traffickers and human traffickers.

I'm waiting for you to quote your many hundreds of posts about any/everything that happened before 2016.  Please do, I'm anxious to read them.

What website lays claim to this "deporter n chief" nickname?  Obviously it's nothing like InfoWars or something similar but I'd like to know where it came from.

You support child killers wholeheartedly and label me something I may or not be, LOL. Ok....Dax
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on May 23, 2019, 07:37:06 AM
 :flush:
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 23, 2019, 10:54:35 AM
Dax, I don't support that at all.  This was a fun exchange until you said something that I don't support.  I have been truthful in representing you in this back and forth.  I'm a little disappointed you would do something like this.

You're a disingenuous no nothing, who never said a word about any of this until 2016.

Your guy broke up families and was dubbed the "deporter n chief" and you said . . . nothing.

Now your party facilitates drug traffickers and human traffickers.

I'm waiting for you to quote your many hundreds of posts about any/everything that happened before 2016.  Please do, I'm anxious to read them.

What website lays claim to this "deporter n chief" nickname?  Obviously it's nothing like InfoWars or something similar but I'd like to know where it came from.

You support child killers wholeheartedly and label me something I may or not be, LOL. Ok....Dax

I've been though this multiple times with your utterly unaware brother, Phil.

It gets old trying to keep you and twin brother Phil up to speed, this article will be linked for at least the 3rd time in this forum.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/obama-record-deportations-deporter-chief-or-not

You're the one melting down about Trump and immigration now, just in case you forgot.



Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on May 29, 2019, 11:51:25 PM
beto's campaign released his immigration reform plan today.  it is very, very good.

https://betoorourke.com/immigration/
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 02, 2019, 08:50:16 AM
First Trump is trying to rid the books of the draconian and extremely racist sentencing legislation that was/is championed by Hillary Clinton (Last Dem presidential nominee) and Joe Biden (leading Dem presidential nominee candidate for 2020)

Now citizenship applications are approved at a 5 year high . . .

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/may/31/dhs-says-citizenship-approvals-rose-2018/
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 06, 2019, 11:18:32 AM
Abolish ICE!

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/leader-religious-organization-la-luz-del-mundo-arrested-lax-multiple

We fully support pedophiles and human traffickers . . . LibDerp Nation



arrest and filing of charges against Naasón Joaquín García (Joaquín García) and his co-defendants for alleged human trafficking, production of child pornography, forcible rape of a minor, and other felonies.

García and his co-defendants allegedly committed these crimes between 2015 and 2018 while leading La Luz Del Mundo, an international religious organization headquartered in Mexico with reportedly more than one million followers worldwide.

The arrests in the case which occurred Monday, were the result of joint coordination by special agents with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) and officers with U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) at Los Angeles International Airport (LAX). Assistance was also provided by the Los Angeles Airport Police.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 06, 2019, 12:24:01 PM

You're a disingenuous no nothing, who never said a word about any of this until 2016.

Your guy broke up families and was dubbed the "deporter n chief" and you said . . . nothing.

Now your party facilitates drug traffickers and human traffickers.


:D  lmao
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 06, 2019, 12:28:10 PM

You're a disingenuous no nothing, who never said a word about any of this until 2016.

Your guy broke up families and was dubbed the "deporter n chief" and you said . . . nothing.

Now your party facilitates drug traffickers and human traffickers.


:D  lmao

Abolish ICE!

Protest ICE . . . while they're busting human traffickers!

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: bucket on June 12, 2019, 10:47:05 AM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: I_have_purplewood on June 12, 2019, 11:42:34 AM
I don't read enough threads in this forum.  I have truly enjoyed this one immensely.  :Woohoo: (ftp://:Woohoo:)
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 12, 2019, 12:10:38 PM

Temporary housing for non-Americans.

As opposed to permanent housing (at least until the war ended and possibly beyond) for American Citizens who were forcibly removed from their private property and places of business.   A crime as perpetrated by LibDerp Nation Hero-FDR.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 12, 2019, 02:45:51 PM
Kind of a weird thread to celebrate
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 12, 2019, 03:07:36 PM
Kind of a weird thread to celebrate

When you're dealing with 24/7/365 OrangeMan:Bad, it's not celebration

You guys should be overjoyed, you're getting exactly what you want.   But you'll be mad about something.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 12, 2019, 04:19:50 PM

Temporary housing for non-Americans.

As opposed to permanent housing (at least until the war ended and possibly beyond) for American Citizens who were forcibly removed from their private property and places of business.   A crime as perpetrated by LibDerp Nation Hero-FDR.


Oh man, this post was a dax ALL-TIMER :love:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 8manpick on June 20, 2019, 09:25:09 AM

Why, yes, we are an immoral nation

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Chingon on June 20, 2019, 10:10:06 AM


I suspect most Americans aren't apathetic about this (in the sense that they think it's "bad" and just can't be bothered to do anything about it), they think its is perfectly justifiable or even desirable.   If libs think this is a "winning" issue to get votes in Nov they are stupid as usual.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: catastrophe on June 21, 2019, 08:31:26 AM
Weird self own
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 21, 2019, 01:21:01 PM
Strangely, outside the very far fringes of the Useful Idiot LibDerp Nation . . . the majority of LibDerp Nation (and it's leaders) were in absolute lockstep with their supreme leader.    Things didn't change until Jan 2017.

https://www.axios.com/immigration-ice-deportation-trump-obama-a72a0a44-540d-46bc-a671-cd65cf72f4b1.html
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 21, 2019, 04:05:01 PM
Dax you should try talking in normal words again.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 21, 2019, 04:06:28 PM
Dax you should try talking in normal words again.

It's weird reading criticism/suggestions from a guy who didn't think K-State was going to paint the backside of the field wall.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 23, 2019, 06:10:14 PM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 23, 2019, 06:36:28 PM
132K border crossings in May (that's only what Border Protection knows about) . . . so that's 132K apprehensions.  June at about the same pace so far.  366K border apprehensions in the last 3 months.

LibDerp Nation . . . why can't you guys give these people 5 star accommodations?

When is the American Political Left just going to come out and admit they want an open border aka the end of national sovereignty?



Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: bucket on June 23, 2019, 06:43:37 PM
132K border crossings in May (that's only what Border Protection knows about) . . . so that's 132K apprehensions.  June at about the same pace so far.  366K border apprehensions in the last 3 months.

LibDerp Nation . . . why can't you guys give these people 5 star accommodations?

When is the American Political Left just going to come out and admit they want an open border aka the end of national sovereignty?

Or maybe just accomodations that wouldn't violate the Geneva Convention  :dunno:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 23, 2019, 06:46:12 PM
132K border crossings in May (that's only what Border Protection knows about) . . . so that's 132K apprehensions.  June at about the same pace so far.  366K border apprehensions in the last 3 months.

LibDerp Nation . . . why can't you guys give these people 5 star accommodations?

When is the American Political Left just going to come out and admit they want an open border aka the end of national sovereignty?

Or maybe just accomodations that wouldn't violate the Geneva Convention  :dunno:

I'm sure it's that way across the board, and I doubt things are actually that bad.   The U.S. is after all the worlds leader with people with extreme first world problems.

Maybe LibDerp Nation Leaders should come to the table on immigration reform (which they'll never do because that would mean a win for Trump . . . so, not going to happen) and/or just admit they want open borders.



Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 23, 2019, 06:54:10 PM
Condone human rights violations to own the libs
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: bucket on June 23, 2019, 06:55:30 PM
132K border crossings in May (that's only what Border Protection knows about) . . . so that's 132K apprehensions.  June at about the same pace so far.  366K border apprehensions in the last 3 months.

LibDerp Nation . . . why can't you guys give these people 5 star accommodations?

When is the American Political Left just going to come out and admit they want an open border aka the end of national sovereignty?

Or maybe just accomodations that wouldn't violate the Geneva Convention  :dunno:

I'm sure it's that way across the board, and I doubt things are actually that bad.   The U.S. is after all the worlds leader with people with extreme first world problems.

Maybe LibDerp Nation Leaders should come to the table on immigration reform (which they'll never do because that would mean a win for Trump . . . so, not going to happen) and/or just admit they want open borders.


"I doubt things are actually that bad."
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 23, 2019, 07:14:39 PM
If you read the whole article it was one relatively small facility in a sector that’s being over run. 

Again, when are the LibDerp Leaders going to step up on immigration reform?  Or just admit they did a 180 in Jan 2017 and now want open borders??   

The reason they won’t do either because of one thing:  Politics.  No actual fucks given about those people. 



Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 23, 2019, 07:20:10 PM
Chuck Schumer spewing forth on social media about the pending ICE raids and leaving out that those people have had their day in court and been denied.   Yet, they’re still here. 

The same Chuckie that was all tough on the border a few years back. 
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 23, 2019, 07:50:04 PM
In 3 more hours Dax you should probably go to the ER and get help.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 24, 2019, 07:33:39 AM
I don't understand why we aren't giving these kids beds or at least cots. Auschwitz had bunk beds...
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 24, 2019, 11:15:32 AM
White House sent Congress an emergency funding request 5/1, has Congress acted on that?

Or is LibDerp Leadership still listening to open border lobbyists and not funding “criminal” Border Patrol?

LibDerp Nation:  Caring about immigrants since January 2017.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 24, 2019, 01:16:22 PM
I don't understand why we aren't giving these kids beds or at least cots. Auschwitz had bunk beds...

I think you understand why.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 24, 2019, 02:42:19 PM
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/dhs-chief-says-white-house-will-ask-for-more-border-funds


LibDerp Nation:  "Caring" about immigrants since January 2017


Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 24, 2019, 05:06:43 PM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 24, 2019, 05:14:30 PM
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/dhs-chief-says-white-house-will-ask-for-more-border-funds


LibDerp Nation:  "Caring" about immigrants since January 2017


I love how dax now ends every post with, like, a one-sentence statement thing, like he's trying to find juuuust the right wording to put on bumper stickers to sell at MAGA rallies.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LickNeckey on June 24, 2019, 05:28:45 PM

there was another guy who talked about Somali pirates providing toothpaste and soap
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 24, 2019, 06:07:21 PM
"Why doesn't the government have toothpaste and soap readily available for 156K people!!   The Taliban gave that ONE guy toothpaste and soap!!"

Meanwhile, the White House request for additional funding for the border still sits weeks later in Congress . . . because LibDerp Nation Leadership listens to the fringe element that protests ICE when they're busting up sex trafficking rings.

LibDerp Nation:  "Caring" about immigrants since January 2017.



Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: catastrophe on June 24, 2019, 06:14:30 PM
How did the senate vote when Mitch put that legislation up, Dax?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LickNeckey on June 24, 2019, 06:57:38 PM
"Why doesn't the government have toothpaste and soap readily available for 156K people!!   The Taliban gave that ONE guy toothpaste and soap!!"

Meanwhile, the White House request for additional funding for the border still sits weeks later in Congress . . . because LibDerp Nation Leadership listens to the fringe element that protests ICE when they're busting up sex trafficking rings.

LibDerp Nation:  "Caring" about immigrants since January 2017.

well considering we have been railing on about migrant caravans and the crisis at the border for months it would seem there was enough lead time to get tiny soaps
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 25, 2019, 07:17:06 AM
"Why doesn't the government have toothpaste and soap readily available for 156K people!!   The Taliban gave that ONE guy toothpaste and soap!!"

Meanwhile, the White House request for additional funding for the border still sits weeks later in Congress . . . because LibDerp Nation Leadership listens to the fringe element that protests ICE when they're busting up sex trafficking rings.

LibDerp Nation:  "Caring" about immigrants since January 2017.

well considering we have been railing on about migrant caravans and the crisis at the border for months it would seem there was enough lead time to get tiny soaps

They ran out of money, and I suggest you Google border crossings and take a look at the charts.  There's still 4 months left in this FFY and border crossings (apprehensions . . . that doesn't count those that aren't caught) have surpassed the previous 4 or 5 FFY.   But hey, that one guy got a toothbrush from a pirate that one time.

LibDerp Nation Leader-Pillar-Icon Nancy "the occasional cohesive thought" Pelosi is now talking "root cause", about 10 years to late. 

LibDerp Nation:  "Caring" about immigrants since January 2017.

Just admit your party is facilitating the open borders movement, which in turn facilitates the human/sex traffickers etc. etc.





Title: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: catastrophe on June 25, 2019, 07:43:34 AM
Open borders would actually solve a lot of the trafficking and child torture problems we are currently experiencing.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: ChiCat on June 25, 2019, 08:33:18 AM
Dax: The government is capable of detaining 156k but providing them with toothbrushes/toothpaste is impossibly difficult.

It's really not hard or expensive.  Even the shittiest of hotels do it.  Of all people, Trump must know that.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 25, 2019, 08:45:38 AM
Dax: The government is capable of detaining 156k but providing them with toothbrushes/toothpaste is impossibly difficult.

It's really not hard or expensive.  Even the shittiest of hotels do it.  Of all people, Trump must know that.

These aren’t people tho, remember?  These are animals, and animals don’t deserve toothbrushes.  The Trump minions are just following Dear Leaders orders.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: ChiCat on June 25, 2019, 08:50:26 AM
A pirate getting toothpaste and toothbrush to a captive seems far more taxing than the government, which is currently ran by a hotelier, doing it for these people.  When I worked in a hotel, my person in charge of this got like $11 an hour and was fully capable.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 25, 2019, 09:35:42 AM
Everyone knows that a border patrol substation in the middle of no where is just like the Ritz Carlton!  Plus there’s a couple of anecdotal stories about less than ideal temporary situations in the middle of no where so . . . OrangeMan: Bad

Let me know how the hotel in the middle of no where does when hundreds of unexpected people, collectively tens of thousands of people show up and they’re not supposed to be there.

LibDerp Hero Barry Obama gettin all border tough back in 2008, Pelosi, Chuckie, DiFi all sounded the same for 8 years.

?s=21

LibDerp Nation:  “Caring” about immigrants since January 2017
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 25, 2019, 09:54:12 AM
Whataboutism at its absolute finest.  I’m surprised Hillary didn’t make it into that post as well. 
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: ChiCat on June 25, 2019, 09:58:52 AM
Everyone knows that a border patrol substation in the middle of no where is just like the Ritz Carlton!  Plus there’s a couple of anecdotal stories about less than ideal temporary situations in the middle of no where so . . . OrangeMan: Bad



Not exactly the same but they have trucks now that can deliver things to places.  You may have a shortage from time to time but you could get that fixed in less than a week.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 25, 2019, 10:14:54 AM
You don't get to claim "whataboutism" until you recognize that your movement and it's leaders did (yet another) 180 in January 2017.   Until resident LibDerps officially recognize that reality, you're "whataboutism" is  :lol: :lol: :lol:  :jerk:  :jerk:  :jerk:

LibDerp Nation: "Caring" about immigrants since January 2017
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 25, 2019, 10:17:07 AM
Everyone knows that a border patrol substation in the middle of no where is just like the Ritz Carlton!  Plus there’s a couple of anecdotal stories about less than ideal temporary situations in the middle of no where so . . . OrangeMan: Bad



Not exactly the same but they have trucks now that can deliver things to places.  You may have a shortage from time to time but you could get that fixed in less than a week.

That's exactly how government works . . .  :lol:

2 months since the emergency appropriations request went to Capital Hill, any movement?

(https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/u14651/FY19TD_May_SWB_Migration%20graphic.jpg)
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LickNeckey on June 25, 2019, 02:53:35 PM
#prolife
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 25, 2019, 06:00:45 PM
So brave . . .



https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2019/06/25/wayfair-employees-plan-walkout-oppose-furniture-sales-migrant-detention-facilities/STcUfJsDN4AXXls0PmJuhN/story.html?event=event25
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 26, 2019, 08:40:54 AM
So trump vowing to veto any aid to the border kinda blows up dax's latest talking point. I'm interested in what he'll shift to next. Probably will take a day or two until the epoch times tells him.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LickNeckey on June 26, 2019, 08:54:00 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1021731

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 26, 2019, 09:24:16 AM
So trump vowing to veto any aid to the border kinda blows up dax's latest talking point. I'm interested in what he'll shift to next. Probably will take a day or two until the epoch times tells him.

I wonder which version he's threatening to veto and why . . . 

LibDerp Nation:  Caring about immigrants since January 2017




Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 26, 2019, 09:26:57 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1021731

LibDerp Nation (Caring about immigrants since January 2017) opening the doors to the country (in January 2017) have aided and abetted an onslaught of unaccompanied children and/or children being used and thus having to be taken away from their abusers.

Nice job LibDerp Nation Leadership.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LickNeckey on June 26, 2019, 10:14:29 AM
 :confused:

they have soap
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 27, 2019, 03:38:20 AM
Julian Castro:  Just another LibDerp who was all about enforcement of immigration laws prior to Jan 2017:

?s=21
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: catastrophe on June 27, 2019, 05:46:07 AM
Looks like my guy Castro did well in the debates if he’s in Dax’s head now! :excited:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 27, 2019, 07:14:14 AM
Never really heard of him until last night.

Immigration tough guy until . . . January 2017
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 27, 2019, 09:49:58 AM
LibDerp Nation Leadership, having sold out to the Open Border Lobby in January of 2017 (after 8 years of talking tough and fully supporting their own "Deporter-in-Chief" who deported more people at a faster rate than what Trump is doing now).

Continues to aid and abet the Cartels and Human Traffickers.   The Cartels now control almost the whole of Northern Mexico, with more mass Cartel graves being found on an accelerating basis.   

Despite the invasion, the Trump Administration (you know the Tyrant who wants to serve forever as a dictator) continues to hold fast and true to  Posse Comitatus . . . and thus even though the military see's the invaders they can only run the cameras and observe, and call BP.   



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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 27, 2019, 12:37:53 PM
LibDerp Nation constantly trying to play the race card will meltdown about anybody suggesting that it may be a good idea to apprehend people from places like the Congo and at least check them out before releasing them into the United States where they'll disappear (usually dumping the tracking devices some are fitted with within minutes of being let go).   Que the source Pearl Clutchers . . .note, she works for the Epoch Times.


Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 27, 2019, 12:54:45 PM
So trump vowing to veto any aid to the border kinda blows up dax's latest talking point. I'm interested in what he'll shift to next. Probably will take a day or two until the epoch times tells him.

 :cool:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 27, 2019, 01:01:52 PM
So trump vowing to veto any aid to the border kinda blows up dax's latest talking point. I'm interested in what he'll shift to next. Probably will take a day or two until the epoch times tells him.

 :cool:

Parody Poster LibDerp7 one of the chief source Pearl Clutchers in residence.

So ah "any kind of border aid" means mainly the House version which may as well have been written by the Open Borders Society.   It's the details, so, not your strong suit.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Kat Kid on June 27, 2019, 01:04:52 PM
Do people really think that the Mexican cartels have human trafficking as a major source of revenue?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LickNeckey on June 27, 2019, 01:47:55 PM
Do people really think that the Mexican cartels have human trafficking as a major source of revenue?

If you believed that trafficking was a major revenue stream do you believe a multi billion dollar organization would carry out the exercise by bringing people over one at a time in $12 inflatable rafts?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 27, 2019, 02:47:54 PM
Do people really think that the Mexican cartels have human trafficking as a major source of revenue?

If you believed that trafficking was a major revenue stream do you believe a multi billion dollar organization would carry out the exercise by bringing people over one at a time in $12 inflatable rafts?

So this has been monetized?  LOL, keep flailing Lick.




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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LickNeckey on June 27, 2019, 03:12:44 PM
Do people really think that the Mexican cartels have human trafficking as a major source of revenue?

If you believed that trafficking was a major revenue stream do you believe a multi billion dollar organization would carry out the exercise by bringing people over one at a time in $12 inflatable rafts?

So this has been monetized?  LOL, keep flailing Lick.




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i guess i am terribly confused by what is being implied here

i am to believe the gulf cartel (one of the oldest and most powerful oranized crime syndicates in mexico) is running individuals across the border one person at a time

in inflatable rafts?

for non monetary purposes?

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LickNeckey on June 27, 2019, 03:19:09 PM
also the comments in that tweet are better than i would have imagined.


a gent named "Richard" had this insight

"Sink floating nails in the middle of the Rio Grande to stop the rafts."
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 27, 2019, 04:49:54 PM
Do people really think that the Mexican cartels have human trafficking as a major source of revenue?

If you believed that trafficking was a major revenue stream do you believe a multi billion dollar organization would carry out the exercise by bringing people over one at a time in $12 inflatable rafts?

So this has been monetized?  LOL, keep flailing Lick.




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i guess i am terribly confused by what is being implied here

i am to believe the gulf cartel (one of the oldest and most powerful oranized crime syndicates in mexico) is running individuals across the border one person at a time

in inflatable rafts?

for non monetary purposes?

You also take the weirdest routes.   I didn't say the Cartels were making major coin off of trafficking relative to their drug business.

It's good to see that not only is LibDerp nation not only aiding and abetting the Cartels.   They're also inviting people to walk straight into the teeth of the Cartels.   









Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on June 27, 2019, 05:05:22 PM
I guess its inconceivable that the cartels could find a way to monetize shipping folks from Guatemala to in or around our southern border, and and then say well here you are. Five miles that away is the USA we got ya this far so have at it and good luck.

Probably too conspiratorial to hold any water.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Kat Kid on June 27, 2019, 10:29:52 PM
I guess its inconceivable that the cartels could find a way to monetize shipping folks from Guatemala to in or around our southern border, and and then say well here you are. Five miles that away is the USA we got ya this far so have at it and good luck.

Probably too conspiratorial to hold any water.

The cartels are shipping people from Guatemala to the US border? Or is it George Soros?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on June 28, 2019, 07:49:44 AM
I guess its inconceivable that the cartels could find a way to monetize shipping folks from Guatemala to in or around our southern border, and and then say well here you are. Five miles that away is the USA we got ya this far so have at it and good luck.

Probably too conspiratorial to hold any water.

The cartels are shipping people from Guatemala to the US border? Or is it George Soros?
or maybe is George paying the cartels?.. two for one sort of deal maybe?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 28, 2019, 08:08:35 AM
Nice job by LibDerp Leadership of essentially admitting that they want open borders last night.    While not a full admission, they might have just said it.

Note to the Cartels, even more targets for you to use and abuse if a LibDerp gets elected . . . 'grats.



Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 28, 2019, 08:20:30 AM
Nice job by LibDerp Leadership of essentially admitting that they want open borders last night.    While not a full admission, they might have just said it.

Note to the Cartels, even more targets for you to use and abuse if a LibDerp gets elected . . . 'grats.

By saying they wouldn’t put children in cages or prevent them access to basic human essentials?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 28, 2019, 08:22:43 AM
Oh Lama, you've done it now . . . years upon years of adulation, empathy and support by LibDerp Nation flushed in a matter of moments:

"European countries should take these refugees and give them education and training, and the aim is return to their own land with certain skills," said the Dalai Lama, adding "A limited number is OK, but the whole of Europe [will] eventually become Muslim country, African country - impossible."

"Receive them [migrants], help them, educate them, but ultimately they should develop their own country. I think Europe belongs to the Europeans."  . . . The Lama on BBC 6/27/2018



Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 28, 2019, 08:24:33 AM
Nice job by LibDerp Leadership of essentially admitting that they want open borders last night.    While not a full admission, they might have just said it.

Note to the Cartels, even more targets for you to use and abuse if a LibDerp gets elected . . . 'grats.

By saying they wouldn’t put children in cages or prevent them access to basic human essentials?

Not the least bit surprising you missed and don't understand, BAU for The Big Tuck.

Also remember all those pictures of children sleeping behind chain link fences that you guys melted down about when you started caring about Immigrants in January of 2017?

Remember when it was realized that those pictures were taken during the Obama era (who was deporting more people than Trump) . . . children sleeping in cages when the crossings were 1/3 of what they are now.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 28, 2019, 08:32:15 AM
Nice job by LibDerp Leadership of essentially admitting that they want open borders last night.    While not a full admission, they might have just said it.

Note to the Cartels, even more targets for you to use and abuse if a LibDerp gets elected . . . 'grats.

By saying they wouldn’t put children in cages or prevent them access to basic human essentials?

Remember all those pictures of children sleeping behind chain link fences that you guys melted down about when you started caring about Immigrants in January of 2017?

Remember when it was realized that those pictures were taken during the Obama era (who was deporting more people than Trump) . . . children sleeping in cages when the crossings were 1/3 of what they are now.

So let me get this straight. You are completely fine with Trump doing it because Obama did it too? Although I don’t think Obama thought they were animals like Trump does, which I’m sure you agree with too.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 28, 2019, 08:39:59 AM
Nice job by LibDerp Leadership of essentially admitting that they want open borders last night.    While not a full admission, they might have just said it.

Note to the Cartels, even more targets for you to use and abuse if a LibDerp gets elected . . . 'grats.

By saying they wouldn’t put children in cages or prevent them access to basic human essentials?

Remember all those pictures of children sleeping behind chain link fences that you guys melted down about when you started caring about Immigrants in January of 2017?

Remember when it was realized that those pictures were taken during the Obama era (who was deporting more people than Trump) . . . children sleeping in cages when the crossings were 1/3 of what they are now.

So let me get this straight. You are completely fine with Trump doing it because Obama did it too? Although I don’t think Obama thought they were animals like Trump does, which I’m sure you agree with too.

Complete strawman .  . .

You didn't start caring about any of this until January 2017.    Your guy deported more kids than Trump and kept kids in cages when crossings where 1/3 to 1/4 less than what they are now.

Go back and listen to and read the words from your leaders regarding the border and illegal immigrants prior to January 2017.    Maybe about a 1/10th of a notch below Trump, if that.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 28, 2019, 09:27:03 AM
Nice job by LibDerp Leadership of essentially admitting that they want open borders last night.    While not a full admission, they might have just said it.

Note to the Cartels, even more targets for you to use and abuse if a LibDerp gets elected . . . 'grats.

By saying they wouldn’t put children in cages or prevent them access to basic human essentials?

Remember all those pictures of children sleeping behind chain link fences that you guys melted down about when you started caring about Immigrants in January of 2017?

Remember when it was realized that those pictures were taken during the Obama era (who was deporting more people than Trump) . . . children sleeping in cages when the crossings were 1/3 of what they are now.

So let me get this straight. You are completely fine with Trump doing it because Obama did it too? Although I don’t think Obama thought they were animals like Trump does, which I’m sure you agree with too.

I support children being locked up in cages with no access to basic human essentials.

Ok thanks for clearing that up.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 28, 2019, 09:52:00 AM
Nice job by LibDerp Leadership of essentially admitting that they want open borders last night.    While not a full admission, they might have just said it.

Note to the Cartels, even more targets for you to use and abuse if a LibDerp gets elected . . . 'grats.

By saying they wouldn’t put children in cages or prevent them access to basic human essentials?

Remember all those pictures of children sleeping behind chain link fences that you guys melted down about when you started caring about Immigrants in January of 2017?

Remember when it was realized that those pictures were taken during the Obama era (who was deporting more people than Trump) . . . children sleeping in cages when the crossings were 1/3 of what they are now.

So let me get this straight. You are completely fine with Trump doing it because Obama did it too? Although I don’t think Obama thought they were animals like Trump does, which I’m sure you agree with too.

I support children being locked up in cages with no access to basic human essentials.

Ok thanks for clearing that up.

LOL, you supported it for years and said nothing, and everyone knows that this was a temporary situation due to the 3x to 4x onslaught of people (thanks to LibDerp Leadership selling out the the open borders people) at the border.   Your guy had 75% fewer crossers to deal with and still could barely handle it.  But you didn't care, because you didn't care one iota about this until January 2017.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Kat Kid on June 28, 2019, 03:20:08 PM
Oh Lama, you've done it now . . . years upon years of adulation, empathy and support by LibDerp Nation flushed in a matter of moments:

"European countries should take these refugees and give them education and training, and the aim is return to their own land with certain skills," said the Dalai Lama, adding "A limited number is OK, but the whole of Europe [will] eventually become Muslim country, African country - impossible."

"Receive them [migrants], help them, educate them, but ultimately they should develop their own country. I think Europe belongs to the Europeans."  . . . The Lama on BBC 6/27/2018

Why anyone should care what the Dalai Lama has to say on anything is mystifying to me. What relevance does he have at all?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 28, 2019, 05:08:57 PM
Oh Lama, you've done it now . . . years upon years of adulation, empathy and support by LibDerp Nation flushed in a matter of moments:

"European countries should take these refugees and give them education and training, and the aim is return to their own land with certain skills," said the Dalai Lama, adding "A limited number is OK, but the whole of Europe [will] eventually become Muslim country, African country - impossible."

"Receive them [migrants], help them, educate them, but ultimately they should develop their own country. I think Europe belongs to the Europeans."  . . . The Lama on BBC 6/27/2018

Why anyone should care what the Dalai Lama has to say on anything is mystifying to me. What relevance does he have at all?

Ask Richard Gere
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LickNeckey on June 28, 2019, 05:09:34 PM
Oh Lama, you've done it now . . . years upon years of adulation, empathy and support by LibDerp Nation flushed in a matter of moments:

"European countries should take these refugees and give them education and training, and the aim is return to their own land with certain skills," said the Dalai Lama, adding "A limited number is OK, but the whole of Europe [will] eventually become Muslim country, African country - impossible."

"Receive them [migrants], help them, educate them, but ultimately they should develop their own country. I think Europe belongs to the Europeans."  . . . The Lama on BBC 6/27/2018

Is this the same interview where he said he believes that Trump lacks “moral principle”?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 30, 2019, 11:55:48 AM
Man, look at the Southwest Border Deaths during the Obama Administration.

1/3 to 1/2 the inflow, yet, utterly incapable of handling it.   Held kids in cages, record levels of deportation, laid the framework for what the Trump Administration is doing now.   Yet, outside of the very far fringes of LibDerp Nation . . . crickets from Mainstream Useful Idiot LibDerp Nation.


https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2019-Mar/bp-southwest-border-sector-deaths-fy1998-fy2018.pdf

LibDerp Nation:  Caring (after killing) about immigrants since January 2017


Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on June 30, 2019, 12:22:33 PM

Is this really what guys like trump and dax want at the southern border?  :sdeek:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 30, 2019, 12:32:36 PM

Is this really what guys like trump and dax want at the southern border?  :sdeek:

Bullets are way cheaper than cages.

- Dax
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 30, 2019, 07:33:24 PM
1/2 to 2/3’s fewer crossers but more deaths:  The failed policies of the Deporter n Chief Barry Obama

LibDerp Nation: Caring about immigrants (after killing more of them) since January 2017
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 02, 2019, 04:39:20 PM
LibDerps, here's your chance to tell the world you got woke in January 2017 . . . after years of not caring about any of this.  Maybe if Moveon would have spoke up, oh, 6 or 7 years ago there wouldn't have been a record number of border deaths under the Obama Administration . . . SMDH


Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 02, 2019, 04:47:01 PM
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/hamedaleaziz/photos-overcrowding-immigration-border-facilities?origin=web-hf

Doesn't look like much fun.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 02, 2019, 05:11:45 PM
May Year of Year Family Unit border apprehensions are up 463%.

When will LibDerp Nation just admit that you're driving all of this by selling out to the Open Borders Society . . . after 8 years of talking tough on immigration.

Next up, get these people on the voting ledgers and then begin the process of expanding the number of seats in the HOR.

LOL, transparent.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LickNeckey on July 02, 2019, 05:27:23 PM
LibDerps, here's your chance to tell the world you got woke in January 2017 . . . after years of not caring about any of this.  Maybe if Moveon would have spoke up, oh, 6 or 7 years ago there wouldn't have been a record number of border deaths under the Obama Administration . . . SMDH


So Obama was super tough on immigration?

Would have thought pubs would have loved that.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 02, 2019, 07:48:45 PM
I fully support what the Trump admin is doing and hope they continue to do so.

We know.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 02, 2019, 09:24:51 PM
LibDerps, here's your chance to tell the world you got woke in January 2017 . . . after years of not caring about any of this.  Maybe if Moveon would have spoke up, oh, 6 or 7 years ago there wouldn't have been a record number of border deaths under the Obama Administration . . . SMDH


So Obama was super tough on immigration?

Would have thought pubs would have loved that.

He was all over the map.   Schumer, DiFi, Pelosi etc etc all talked tough on the border at one time or another . . . until the voting light bulb went on.

LibDerp Nation: Caring about immigrants since January 2017
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LickNeckey on July 02, 2019, 09:42:38 PM
LibDerps, here's your chance to tell the world you got woke in January 2017 . . . after years of not caring about any of this.  Maybe if Moveon would have spoke up, oh, 6 or 7 years ago there wouldn't have been a record number of border deaths under the Obama Administration . . . SMDH


So Obama was super tough on immigration?

Would have thought pubs would have loved that.

He was all over the map.   Schumer, DiFi, Pelosi etc etc all talked tough on the border at one time or another . . . until the voting light bulb went on.

LibDerp Nation: Caring about immigrants since January 2017

so he wasn't as tough when campaigning?

would this mean that LibDerp Nation cared prior to 2017?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 02, 2019, 09:50:19 PM
LibDerps, here's your chance to tell the world you got woke in January 2017 . . . after years of not caring about any of this.  Maybe if Moveon would have spoke up, oh, 6 or 7 years ago there wouldn't have been a record number of border deaths under the Obama Administration . . . SMDH


So Obama was super tough on immigration?

Would have thought pubs would have loved that.

He was all over the map.   Schumer, DiFi, Pelosi etc etc all talked tough on the border at one time or another . . . until the voting light bulb went on.

LibDerp Nation: Caring about immigrants since January 2017

so he wasn't as tough when campaigning?

would this mean that LibDerp Nation cared prior to 2017?

Only the farthest fringes of LibDerp Nation cared about the plight of immigrants. . . Do I need to repost the article on how Obama set the stage for today’s immigration policy? 

The trial balloons on HoR expansion are already going up right in sync with illegal voting rights discussion.   Once illegals have voting rights the talk will immediately focus on the ratio of population per rep, which will skyrocket in some states. 

 
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 02, 2019, 11:11:08 PM
Dax, you need to pick a side and quit flip flopping :lol:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 03, 2019, 07:35:22 AM
Giving immigrants the right to vote would probably force the Republicans to stop being so shitty, so there is that.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 8manpick on July 03, 2019, 07:41:28 AM
Why would anyone want to give non-citizens voting rights?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 03, 2019, 08:12:43 AM
Why would anyone want to give non-citizens voting rights?

I don't think anyone does.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on July 03, 2019, 08:38:09 AM
It's pretty telling that people like dax think the only reason anyone would want to treat brown people like human beings is because they are pandering for votes.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: catastrophe on July 03, 2019, 11:34:21 AM
We should allow non citizens to be standby voters for every American who doesn’t vote.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Matt Mckee on July 03, 2019, 01:54:51 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/border-patrols-oversight-sick-migrant-children/593224/


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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 03, 2019, 07:06:12 PM
We should allow non citizens to be standby voters for every American who doesn’t vote.
lol
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 03, 2019, 07:07:17 PM
You can’t be serious, right?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 03, 2019, 07:18:08 PM
I guarantee you didn’t feel this way previous to trump, nor should you. The fact that a non citizen might have a vote over your future kids or now kids that have lived in this sandbox is laughable. I’m ok with legal immigration, but acting like a kid who just crossed the border should have the same right as anyone else is very funny. Canada and Mexico would both laugh in our faces if we tried to do the same crossing borders, feeling like we’re all entitled to it.

Don’t go full dumbass just to own the GOP, dude.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 03, 2019, 07:30:14 PM
Also, history shows, the only dumbasses who don’t vote are crazy libtards on twitter (non working antifa blowhard types) bitching about  their daily lives, so I guess I understand why you feel this way.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 03, 2019, 07:36:46 PM
Earn it, prove it, do it!- FanMan
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on July 03, 2019, 07:44:17 PM
What are we pakkin' on tonight 420seriouscat69?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 03, 2019, 08:00:01 PM
Svedka Vodka, bud! :thumbs: ‘Merica! Tell me I haven’t calmed down on PAK’ing and posting on gE.com! I dare you. :) Just calling a spade a spade.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 8manpick on July 03, 2019, 08:08:40 PM
Svedka Vodka, bud! :thumbs: ‘Merica! Tell me I haven’t calmed down on PAK’ing and posting on gE.com! I dare you. :) Just calling a spade a spade.
:sdeek: :opcat: :sdeek:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on July 03, 2019, 08:10:41 PM
Svedka Vodka, bud! :thumbs: ‘Merica! Tell me I haven’t calmed down on PAK’ing and posting on gE.com! I dare you. :) Just calling a spade a spade.

No judgment broseph, got some tito's in the cup rn
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 03, 2019, 08:14:04 PM
Yum!!! :cheers:


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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 03, 2019, 08:14:34 PM
Can confirm Tito’s is v good
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 03, 2019, 08:16:29 PM
Svedka Vodka, bud! :thumbs: ‘Merica! Tell me I haven’t calmed down on PAK’ing and posting on gE.com! I dare you. :) Just calling a spade a spade.
:sdeek: :opcat: :sdeek:
:lol: Goddammit
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Matt Mckee on July 05, 2019, 10:26:23 AM
Svedka Vodka, bud! :thumbs: ‘Merica! Tell me I haven’t calmed down on PAK’ing and posting on gE.com! I dare you. :) Just calling a spade a spade.

No judgment broseph, got some tito's in the cup rn

I'd liked to recommend Western Son vodka to you. It's very good stuff and usually several dollars lower than Titos.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 05, 2019, 08:32:24 PM
Pretty pathetic but not surprising that people actually believe the lies about conditions at the border.   Particularly considering that the previous administration could barely handle 1/4 of the onslaught that’s occurring today.

LibDerp Nation (particularly LibDerp7):  Sort of Caring about immigrants since January 2017.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 11, 2019, 12:50:48 PM
Not a crisis

(https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/u14651/FY19TD_JUN_SWB_Migration%20graphic.jpg)
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: catastrophe on July 12, 2019, 07:52:19 AM
Maybe worth noting that any spike happened AFTER Trump said it was an emergency?

It’s almost as if repeatedly threatening to close the border caused immigrants to make a desperate run at it.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 12, 2019, 07:54:25 AM
Let’s not bring a rational argument to this thread. The daxbot needs a firmware update before that.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 12, 2019, 08:16:36 AM
Maybe worth noting that any spike happened AFTER Trump said it was an emergency?

It’s almost as if repeatedly threatening to close the border caused immigrants to make a desperate run at it.

I think we also might have cut aid to some of the countries these people are fleeing.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 12, 2019, 10:28:22 AM
Maybe worth noting that any spike happened AFTER Trump said it was an emergency?

It’s almost as if repeatedly threatening to close the border caused immigrants to make a desperate run at it.

It's also worth noting that certain entities ramped up their "coaching" campaigns in terms of seek asylum and the level of illegal border crossers from regions outside of Mexico and Central America have ramped up considerably.

Let's also note that all-of-sudden Nancy "slurs" Pelosi started wanting to talk about "root cause", while she didn't say anything back when LibDerp Nation's guy was coddling all the Central American thugs.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 12, 2019, 06:16:13 PM
Dear Nazi Border Patrol, while understand people are showing up 100's at a time illegally, if you don't ensure they receive immediate 5 star accomdations AOC will come to fence and start crying as soon as the cameras are turned on.   Not a crisis though . . . and extremely weird that people would voluntarily show up at concentration camps.






Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 14, 2019, 03:38:01 PM
LibDerp Nation Leadership and 2020 Pres Candidates just need to step up and admit they've sold out to the open border gang and they want the end of national sovereignty.

No need to carry on the charade, just ride that horse.



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Post by: DaBigTrain on July 14, 2019, 04:36:17 PM
Alright dad
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 14, 2019, 06:13:00 PM
:curse: :curse: :curse:
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Post by: bucket on July 25, 2019, 09:00:52 AM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 25, 2019, 09:32:26 AM
Unfortunate, but sadly since LibDerp Nation has sold out to the Open Border Lobby the onslaught at the border is breaking all records.

Unaccompanied minors alone were up 70% comparing June 18 to June 19, family apprehensions were up 469% comparing June 18 to June 19, single adult apprehensions were up 30% June 18 vs June 19.



Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on July 25, 2019, 09:34:10 AM
Unfortunate, but sadly since LibDerp Nation has sold out to the Open Border Lobby the onslaught at the border is breaking all records.

Unaccompanied minors alone were up 70% comparing June 18 to June 19, family apprehensions were up 469% comparing June 18 to June 19, single adult apprehensions were up 30% June 18 vs June 19.

@Trim, put this one in the book.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 25, 2019, 09:37:24 AM
Unfortunate, but sadly since LibDerp Nation has sold out to the Open Border Lobby the onslaught at the border is breaking all records.

Unaccompanied minors alone were up 70% comparing June 18 to June 19, family apprehensions were up 469% comparing June 18 to June 19, single adult apprehensions were up 30% June 18 vs June 19.

@Trim, put this one in the book.

Why can't the Government be more efficient with facilities, staff and budget to handle 1/3 of the current onslaught!

Now you've got LibDerp Nation calling this "Trump's Crisis" when it at first they (you) said there was no crisis of any kind, it was all made up.

(https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/u14651/FY19TD_JUN_SWB_Migration%20graphic.jpg)
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: bucket on July 25, 2019, 10:53:22 AM
Not detaining US citizens for close to a month would be a start.  :dunno:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 25, 2019, 12:17:36 PM
Not detaining US citizens for close to a month would be a start.  :dunno:

If they don’t like it here they can leave!
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 25, 2019, 01:57:08 PM
LibDerp Nation Leadership and 2020 Pres Candidates just need to step up and admit they've sold out to the open border gang and they want the end of national sovereignty.

No need to carry on the charade, just ride that horse.

My favorite thing is when Dax has a post, then he thinks "NOPE NOT ENOUGH!" and so he replies to himself with another post, this one super long. Then in his head he's like, "...AND ANOTHER THING!" so he posts yet another reply to himself. Three dax posts in a row. Amazing. :love:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 25, 2019, 02:41:57 PM
LibDerp Nation Leadership and 2020 Pres Candidates just need to step up and admit they've sold out to the open border gang and they want the end of national sovereignty.

No need to carry on the charade, just ride that horse.

My favorite thing is when Dax has a post, then he thinks "NOPE NOT ENOUGH!" and so he replies to himself with another post, this one super long. Then in his head he's like, "...AND ANOTHER THING!" so he posts yet another reply to himself. Three dax posts in a row. Amazing. :love:

I always love it  when Skinny pretends to know things.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 8manpick on July 25, 2019, 06:13:23 PM
Apprehensions are up! Also, we’re apprehending and detaining American citizens! Love it or leave it!
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 01, 2019, 03:38:31 PM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/flood-of-illegal-migrants-to-the-border-outpaces-last-two-years-with-1-1m-expected-in-fy2019

No a crisis though . . . check that, it's Trump's non-crisis-crisis

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: mocat on August 06, 2019, 10:17:46 AM
illegal migrants
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: chum1 on August 08, 2019, 06:24:59 AM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 08, 2019, 06:55:49 AM
Being in the country illegally is a felony.  It was a felony before Trump was president and Trump’s predecessor deported thousands upon thousands of people because they were in the country illegally. 

Mainstream LibDerp Nation just choose to ignore it until January 2017.   Then in 2017, to no ones surprise, LibDerp Leadership did a 180 all in the name of being Anti Trump.   

Also to no ones surprise LibDerp Nation’s front runner for their next presidential nominee was a key component of the administration that did all that deporting. 

Prior to Trump: Pelosi, Schumer, Feinstein were all on record as anti Illegal, “people just can’t cross the border!!” etc etc   





Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Matt Mckee on August 08, 2019, 08:12:43 AM
It's actually a misdemeanor, not a felony.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325#a
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 08, 2019, 10:38:34 AM
Why are you bringing actual facts to the conversation? Smdh
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 08, 2019, 01:39:29 PM
So desperate to be right on something The Big Dummy relies on others.

SMDH
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 08, 2019, 07:47:40 PM
Being in the country illegally is a felony.  It was a felony before Trump was president and Trump’s predecessor deported thousands upon thousands of people because they were in the country illegally. 

Mainstream LibDerp Nation just choose to ignore it until January 2017.   Then in 2017, to no ones surprise, LibDerp Leadership did a 180 all in the name of being Anti Trump.   

Also to no ones surprise LibDerp Nation’s front runner for their next presidential nominee was a key component of the administration that did all that deporting. 

Prior to Trump: Pelosi, Schumer, Feinstein were all on record as anti Illegal, “people just can’t cross the border!!” etc etc

It's actually a misdemeanor, not a felony.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325#a


Dax, are you going to acknowledge that you just erroneously stated that being in the country illegally is a felony, and that you were promptly called out and proven wrong? Are you able to admit that?  I’m just curious if you’re able to admit what we all just saw in plain sight, even though it makes you look bad. :users:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LickNeckey on August 08, 2019, 09:27:38 PM
name call hillary name call obama name call whataboutism

(i got this one for you Dax)
Title: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2019, 07:14:18 AM
Being in the country illegally is a felony.  It was a felony before Trump was president and Trump’s predecessor deported thousands upon thousands of people because they were in the country illegally. 

Mainstream LibDerp Nation just choose to ignore it until January 2017.   Then in 2017, to no ones surprise, LibDerp Leadership did a 180 all in the name of being Anti Trump.   

Also to no ones surprise LibDerp Nation’s front runner for their next presidential nominee was a key component of the administration that did all that deporting. 

Prior to Trump: Pelosi, Schumer, Feinstein were all on record as anti Illegal, “people just can’t cross the border!!” etc etc

It's actually a misdemeanor, not a felony.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325#a


Dax, are you going to acknowledge that you just erroneously stated that being in the country illegally is a felony, and that you were promptly called out and proven wrong? Are you able to admit that?  I’m just curious if you’re able to admit what we all just saw in plain sight, even though it makes you look bad. :users:

It’s a crime SB punishable up to 6 months in jail for a first offense. 

In addition crossing with minors can and is often classified as trafficking.  Thus the need to separate the minors until non harmful guardianship status is established.

Your guy practiced patriarchal geo relocation.  So a family unit crossed the border.  The father would be separated from the rest of the family, shipped 1000 miles, sent back across the border.  Where often times the cartels thought they were DEA informants.  You said nothing.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: catastrophe on August 09, 2019, 08:04:37 AM
Still struggling to understand why you’re such a big fan of the “we’ll you’re only calling out the shitty things Trump does cause you don’t like him” talking point.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 09, 2019, 08:25:13 AM
Being in the country illegally is a felony.  It was a felony before Trump was president and Trump’s predecessor deported thousands upon thousands of people because they were in the country illegally. 

Mainstream LibDerp Nation just choose to ignore it until January 2017.   Then in 2017, to no ones surprise, LibDerp Leadership did a 180 all in the name of being Anti Trump.   

Also to no ones surprise LibDerp Nation’s front runner for their next presidential nominee was a key component of the administration that did all that deporting. 

Prior to Trump: Pelosi, Schumer, Feinstein were all on record as anti Illegal, “people just can’t cross the border!!” etc etc

It's actually a misdemeanor, not a felony.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325#a


Dax, are you going to acknowledge that you just erroneously stated that being in the country illegally is a felony, and that you were promptly called out and proven wrong? Are you able to admit that?  I’m just curious if you’re able to admit what we all just saw in plain sight, even though it makes you look bad. :users:

It’s a crime SB punishable up to 6 months in jail for a first offense. 

In addition crossing with minors can and is often classified as trafficking.  Thus the need to separate the minors until non harmful guardianship status is established.

Your guy practiced patriarchal geo relocation.  So a family unit crossed the border.  The father would be separated from the rest of the family, shipped 1000 miles, sent back across the border.  Where often times the cartels thought they were DEA informants.  You said nothing.

That’s a negative SkiBen and what about...
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2019, 09:40:30 AM
Still struggling to understand why you’re such a big fan of the “we’ll you’re only calling out the shitty things Trump does cause you don’t like him” talking point.

The previous administration(s) set the entire table for current immigration policy and implemented and carried out everything LibDerp Nation is melting down about today, while the current administration faces an onslaught that 3x what previous administrations faced with a few very short term exceptions.   An onslaught facilitated by the very same people who just 4 or 5 years ago were up in front of the country talking about how people just couldn't cross the border and expect to stay.   Why?  Pure politics.

LibDerp Nation:  Caring bout illegal immigrants since January 2017



Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 09, 2019, 10:45:33 AM
So if you love the way Trump is treating border enforcement, but Obama paved the way for it, wouldn’t that mean you also loved what Obama did? Why do you seem to love one but not the other if they’re so closely linked? Things that make ya go hmmm...
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2019, 11:25:56 AM
So if you love the way Trump is treating border enforcement, but Obama paved the way for it, wouldn’t that mean you also loved what Obama did? Why do you seem to love one but not the other if they’re so closely linked? Things that make ya go hmmm...

I don't love any of it, because I want true border security and wholesale immigration policy overhaul.

Just admit you said nothing while your guy deported thousands upon thousands of people and be done with it.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on August 09, 2019, 11:44:25 AM
Dax prefers an east German style militarized border.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2019, 11:50:13 AM
Dax prefers an east German style militarized border.

LibDerp7 prefers that the border is overrun with human traffickers and cartels carrying his preferred products by mass graves

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on August 09, 2019, 12:04:16 PM
Dax prefers an east German style militarized border.

LibDerp7 prefers that the border is overrun with human traffickers and cartels carrying his preferred products by mass graves

To quote my friend dax - nah
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2019, 12:30:54 PM
Dax prefers an east German style militarized border.

LibDerp7 prefers that the border is overrun with human traffickers and cartels carrying his preferred products by mass graves

To quote my friend dax - nah

LibDerp Nation:  Party of human trafficking and cartel facilitators disagrees.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LickNeckey on August 09, 2019, 12:43:02 PM
Dax can you give me an example of an administrations border policy you supported
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: IPA4Me on August 09, 2019, 08:09:25 PM
Does this go here?

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Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: IPA4Me on August 10, 2019, 12:41:54 PM
The swamp reaches from DC to Mississippi. ICE raids to protect donors.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: bucket on August 10, 2019, 12:43:57 PM
The swamp reaches from DC to Mississippi. ICE raids to protect donors.


Hate is a powerful, political weapon
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 10, 2019, 12:49:05 PM
The swamp reaches from DC to Mississippi. ICE raids to protect donors.


Hate is a powerful, political weapon

Oh yeah, if there's one thing we can count is, the MSM is just going to drop El Paso (don't worry they already dropped the Dayton AntifA guy driven by Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders dangerous rhetoric). 

Otherwise, that's a great conspiracy, Bucket.

Just a shame we never heard much from you when your guy was killing thousands of brown people overseas and deporting thousands of brown people from the United States (while allowing more brown people to die at the border in the face of 50 to 75% less fewer crossers).



Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: bucket on August 10, 2019, 12:51:50 PM
The swamp reaches from DC to Mississippi. ICE raids to protect donors.


Hate is a powerful, political weapon

Oh yeah, if there's one thing we can count is, the MSM is just going to drop El Paso (don't worry they already dropped the Dayton AntifA guy driven by Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders dangerous rhetoric). 

Otherwise, that's a great conspiracy, Bucket.

Just a shame we never heard much from you when your guy was killing thousands of brown people overseas and deporting thousands of brown people from the United States (while allowing more brown people to die at the border in the face of 50 to 75% less fewer crossers).

 :confused:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 10, 2019, 12:52:15 PM
The swamp reaches from DC to Mississippi. ICE raids to protect donors.


Hate is a powerful, political weapon

Oh yeah, if there's one thing we can count is, the MSM is just going to drop El Paso (don't worry they already dropped the Dayton AntifA guy driven by Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders dangerous rhetoric). 

Otherwise, that's a great conspiracy, Bucket.

Just a shame we never heard much from you when your guy was killing thousands of brown people overseas and deporting thousands of brown people from the United States (while allowing more brown people to die at the border in the face of 50 to 75% less fewer crossers).

 :confused:

Tapout accepted
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: bucket on August 10, 2019, 12:57:19 PM
Dax, you silly billy. Trump has played you racist, banjo strummers like a fool. He hates brown people but employs them and continues to. You want to get serious about illegals stealing yer jobs then arrest those who hire them. However, that would mean good ol' American farmers and our president would get in trouble. Real Catch 22 situation
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 10, 2019, 01:09:10 PM
Dax, you silly billy. Trump has played you racist, banjo strummers like a fool. He hates brown people but employs them and continues to. You want to get serious about illegals stealing yer jobs then arrest those who hire them. However, that would mean good ol' American farmers and our president would get in trouble. Real Catch 22 situation

You said nothing while your guy the "Deporter-in-Chief" deported thousands upon thousands of brown people  (that's why your guy ChiCom Joe is getting called out on it now) . . . while he was dropping bombs on other brown people and sending other brown/black people into a life of slavery in Africa while making other brown people refugees by the thousands.   You said nothing. 

You're not a halfwit like The Big Dummy, you should know that Federal charges are not often immediate.   You have corporations involved, parent companies etc. etc.  If in a few weeks or so, no Federal charges are not brought against the employers/individuals working for the employers then bitch all you want.







Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 10, 2019, 01:30:09 PM
Dax, you silly billy. Trump has played you racist, banjo strummers like a fool. He hates brown people but employs them and continues to. You want to get serious about illegals stealing yer jobs then arrest those who hire them. However, that would mean good ol' American farmers and our president would get in trouble. Real Catch 22 situation

You said nothing while your guy the "Deporter-in-Chief" deported thousands upon thousands of brown people  (that's why your guy ChiCom Joe is getting called out on it now) . . . while he was dropping bombs on other brown people and sending other brown/black people into a life of slavery in Africa while making other brown people refugees by the thousands.   You said nothing. 

You're not a halfwit like The Big Dummy, you should know that Federal charges are not often immediate.   You have corporations involved, parent companies etc. etc.  If in a few weeks or so, no Federal charges are not brought against the employers/individuals working for the employers then bitch all you want.

Will that be a felony too?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 10, 2019, 04:20:33 PM
Adults talking here The Big Dummy
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 13, 2019, 07:52:02 PM
The perpetually enraged American Political Left and their dangerous rhetoric drives another lunatic to act.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/shots-fired-into-ice-office-in-san-antonio-there-were-people-in-the-building

This after another Anitfa enraged by the dangerous rhetoric of the American Political Left attacked another ICE facility.

The next act picks up speed as the American Political Left who provide aide and comfort to drug cartels and sex traffickers ratchets up their violence.

SMDH, sad.

The American Political Left:  Attacking ICE - Helping Sex Traffickers




Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 13, 2019, 10:24:11 PM
Man tonight was not a good night :frown:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 14, 2019, 07:28:43 AM
Man tonight was not a good night :frown:

Unfortunately you can’t cover up the rage of the American Political Left with a tired take.

LibDerp Nation:  Aiding and abetting drug cartels and sex traffickers.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 14, 2019, 07:59:08 AM
Man tonight was not a good night :frown:

Unfortunately you can’t cover up the rage of the American Political Left with a tired take.

LibDerp Nation:  Aiding and abetting drug cartels and sex traffickers.

Everyone: :lol:

Dax: I don’t even know I’m being made fun of so I’m just gonna keep posting something.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on August 14, 2019, 08:32:57 AM
Being made fun of is dax's goal #libtriggering
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 14, 2019, 02:37:41 PM
760,370 total apprehensions at the Southwest border FFY YTD, with 2 months in the FFY yet to go.   Blowing away the 5 previous FFY.

Tens of thousand more not apprehended.   Nearly 70K unaccompanied minors FFY YTD.

But every measure, an invasion.

Meanwhile Drug Cartel and Sex Trafficking facilitating LibDerp Nation tells those doing things the legal way to go pound sand.

Title: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 14, 2019, 04:14:01 PM
Most people would be pretty embarrassed about misspelling the same word two different ways in the span of an hour. Dax tho just takes it in stride, blames Hillary/Obama and keeps focused on the mission. Incredible.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 16, 2019, 05:49:59 AM
Dax and Co.: your people are garbage people.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/16/us/rhode-island-ice-detention-truck-protesters/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 16, 2019, 06:39:57 AM
Dax and Co.: your people are garbage people.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/16/us/rhode-island-ice-detention-truck-protesters/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

I know you're always mad about something and you want to rage on me.  But those aren't "my people".

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 16, 2019, 06:40:42 AM
Most people would be pretty embarrassed about misspelling the same word two different ways in the span of an hour. Dax tho just takes it in stride, blames Hillary/Obama and keeps focused on the mission. Incredible.

At this point you just have to admit that you're at rock bottom.

T's and P's The Big Dummy

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 16, 2019, 07:09:34 AM
Most people would be pretty embarrassed about misspelling the same word two different ways in the span of an hour. Dax tho just takes it in stride, blames Hillary/Obama and keeps focused on the mission. Incredible.

At this point you just have to admit that you're at rock bottom.

T's and P's The Big Dummy

Me? Nah.

The country because of dear leader? Yep.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 16, 2019, 09:13:59 AM
Most people would be pretty embarrassed about misspelling the same word two different ways in the span of an hour. Dax tho just takes it in stride, blames Hillary/Obama and keeps focused on the mission. Incredible.

At this point you just have to admit that you're at rock bottom.

T's and P's The Big Dummy

Me? Nah.

The country because of dear leader? Yep.

Yes the horrible life in America with 3.5% unemployment, record minority employment, a stock market that's still Dow 25K plus, gas at the pump as low as $2 a gallon in some places . . . and no net new wars in 3 years with Trump pushing to bring home all troops from Afghanistan.  On that last part Trump Rage will mean LibDerps will be fighting that Afghan withdrawal tooth and nail having now made John "never met a war he didn't want" McCain your new hero.

America:  Drowning in 1st world problems but being drug into the 3rd world by perpetually enraged LibDerp Nation





Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 16, 2019, 09:27:03 AM
Most people would be pretty embarrassed about misspelling the same word two different ways in the span of an hour. Dax tho just takes it in stride, blames Hillary/Obama and keeps focused on the mission. Incredible.

At this point you just have to admit that you're at rock bottom.

T's and P's The Big Dummy

Me? Nah.

The country because of dear leader? Yep.

Yes the horrible life in America with 3.5% unemployment, record minority employment, a stock market that's still Dow 25K plus, gas at the pump as low as $2 a gallon in some places . . . and no net new wars in 3 years with Trump pushing to bring home all troops from Afghanistan.  On that last part Trump Rage will mean LibDerps will be fighting that Afghan withdrawal tooth and nail having now made John "never met a war he didn't want" McCain your new hero.

America:  Drowning in 1st world problems but being drug into the 3rd world by perpetually enraged LibDerp Nation

Yikes bud, it’s Friday. I said that in the context of the thread. We are at a point where people like you are perfectly fine keeping people in cages and being ok shooting on sight if they try and come into the country. We are at a pretty all time low in that regard.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 16, 2019, 09:39:30 AM
Most people would be pretty embarrassed about misspelling the same word two different ways in the span of an hour. Dax tho just takes it in stride, blames Hillary/Obama and keeps focused on the mission. Incredible.

At this point you just have to admit that you're at rock bottom.

T's and P's The Big Dummy

Me? Nah.

The country because of dear leader? Yep.

Yes the horrible life in America with 3.5% unemployment, record minority employment, a stock market that's still Dow 25K plus, gas at the pump as low as $2 a gallon in some places . . . and no net new wars in 3 years with Trump pushing to bring home all troops from Afghanistan.  On that last part Trump Rage will mean LibDerps will be fighting that Afghan withdrawal tooth and nail having now made John "never met a war he didn't want" McCain your new hero.

America:  Drowning in 1st world problems but being drug into the 3rd world by perpetually enraged LibDerp Nation

Yikes bud, it’s Friday. I said that in the context of the thread. We are at a point where people like you are perfectly fine keeping people in cages and being ok shooting on sight if they try and come into the country. We are at a pretty all time low in that regard.

The simple facts are, your guy was keeping people in cages and you quite literally said nothing about it and you quite literally didn't care because it was go along to get along because gosh darn it your guy was in the White House and he was talking a great game.

Barack Obama:  Deporting a lot of brown people, not doing a hell of a lot to help the brown/black people who were citizens . . . while killing thousands of brown people, and making hundreds of thousands of more brown people refugees, while ensuring thousands of black people were sold into the slave trade in Africa.
 
It sure felt good for LibDerp Nation though.



Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 8manpick on August 16, 2019, 09:49:21 AM
It would take an incredibly short lens to believe we were close to any all-time low in American History. It’s a pretty ugly past.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on August 16, 2019, 09:50:33 AM
It would take an incredibly short lens to believe we were close to any all-time low in American History. It’s a pretty ugly past.

You mean back when we were great?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 16, 2019, 09:50:40 AM
I know it's a Trump enrages me about everything kinda mood these days, but the cage talking point is very on brand by these media members trying to cut cheeto out. We've been operating like this (unfortunately) for over a decade and i'm kind of sick of the talking point by "the left (@mocat)". It's lazy and a uninspired one. You have a crap ton of ammunition to attack him, this one just isn't it. 
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 16, 2019, 10:02:38 AM
I know it's a Trump enrages me about everything kinda mood these days, but the cage talking point is very on brand by these media members trying to cut cheeto out. We've been operating like this (unfortunately) for over a decade and i'm kind of sick of the talking point by "the left (@mocat)". It's lazy and a uninspired one. You have a crap ton of ammunition to attack him, this one just isn't it.

We only started operating like this a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: mocat on August 16, 2019, 10:47:25 AM
yeah, "this is the same as it's always been" is disingenuous or ignorant
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 16, 2019, 10:56:49 AM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/baracks-ice-chief-cages-were-obamas-idea

Quote
“I’ve been to that facility, where they talk about cages. That facility was built under President Obama under (Homeland Security) Secretary Jeh Johnson. I was there because I was there when it was built,” said Thomas Homan, who was Obama’s executive associate director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement for nearly four years.

I know you guys didn't GAF about it back then, but yeah, ok.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 16, 2019, 11:12:07 AM
Do you think the problem is putting kids in cages, or is it overcrowding the cages and leaving the kids in them for months at a time?
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Post by: mocat on August 16, 2019, 11:12:26 AM
oh absolutely the cages were there and obama deported a record number of people. still, to say "this is the same as it's always been" is disingenuous or ignorant.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 16, 2019, 11:15:24 AM
Do you think the problem is putting kids in cages, or is it overcrowding the cages and leaving the kids in them for months at a time?
Aren't they allowed to go back if they want? I honestly don't  know how it works, but if I was trying to enter a country illegally and got caught, i'd probably try and run back the other way. Anyways, I was responding to the kids in cages part initially.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 16, 2019, 12:02:02 PM
Do you think the problem is putting kids in cages, or is it overcrowding the cages and leaving the kids in them for months at a time?
Aren't they allowed to go back if they want? I honestly don't  know how it works, but if I was trying to enter a country illegally and got caught, i'd probably try and run back the other way. Anyways, I was responding to the kids in cages part initially.

Yeah, the 6 year old from Guatemala with no money and deported parents is free to get on a bus to Mexico if he'd like.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 16, 2019, 12:35:21 PM
Do you want open borders, Rage?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 16, 2019, 12:35:59 PM
oh absolutely the cages were there and obama deported a record number of people. still, to say "this is the same as it's always been" is disingenuous or ignorant.

Your guy caged, deported, separated fathers from families bused them 1000 miles then sent them back across the border and the cartels thought they were DEA spies . . . your guy bombed brown people, made brown people refugees, overthrew governments for no reason, ushered the slave trade back to Africa and you said nothing.

Now you lose your mind over an administration dealing with the largest influx of illegal immigrants in years outpacing the past 5 or 6 years by hundreds of thousands.   

You're such lunatics you're out there protesting ICE while they're busting child sex rings.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 16, 2019, 01:39:23 PM
Do you want open borders, Rage?

I want anyone who can find work to be able to legally come here and work.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LickNeckey on August 16, 2019, 01:41:15 PM
Do you want open borders, Rage?

not nearly as much as your ancestors did...
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 16, 2019, 01:49:17 PM
Do you want open borders, Rage?

not nearly as much as your ancestors did...
I bet they did it legally and lol at comparing 1776 to today.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on August 16, 2019, 01:51:13 PM
Bog jumpers need not apply
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 16, 2019, 01:55:19 PM
Do you want open borders, Rage?

not nearly as much as your ancestors did...
I bet they did it legally and lol at comparing 1776 to today.

It's a lot easier to do it legally when the borders are open.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LickNeckey on August 16, 2019, 01:59:01 PM
Do you want open borders, Rage?

not nearly as much as your ancestors did...
I bet they did it legally and lol at comparing 1776 to today.

you are right it is much more comparable to 1803 considering we are buying greenland
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 17, 2019, 01:16:05 AM

You're such lunatics you're out there protesting ICE while they're busting child sex rings.

When will LibDerpNation realize that ICE is actually a bunch of good guy heroes?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 17, 2019, 01:17:30 AM
...and lol at comparing 1776 to today.

X-post w/ School Shooting thread
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 17, 2019, 09:40:50 AM
LibDerp Nation (and particularly dumbass Skinny Benny):  Pissed off about ICE since January 2017
   :curse: :curse:
(ICE founded March 2003)

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LickNeckey on August 17, 2019, 09:43:32 AM
LibDerp Nation (and particularly dumbass Skinny Benny):  Pissed off about ICE since January 2017
   :curse: :curse:
(ICE founded March 2003)

so do pubs like federal law enforcement agencies now or not

after all of the fbi anger i wasn't sure
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 17, 2019, 09:47:55 AM
LibDerp Nation (and particularly dumbass Skinny Benny):  Pissed off about ICE since January 2017
   :curse: :curse:
(ICE founded March 2003)

so do pubs like federal law enforcement agencies now or not

after all of the fbi anger i wasn't sure

You'll have to tell me, watching LibDerp Nation vacillate between a roiling cauldron of rage against the machine, to being fully assimilated by the machine has drawn all my attention and  :lol:

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LickNeckey on August 17, 2019, 09:58:50 AM
yeah watching all the thin blue line guys turn on the federales has been fascinating as well

what a time to be alive!!!
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 17, 2019, 10:03:30 AM
yeah watching all the thin blue line guys turn on the federales has been fascinating as well

what a time to be alive!!!

Or turn on a hand full of people, that in some cases LibDerp Nation has flip-flopped on multiple times.   I know you're a little slow Lick, but your movement hated The Man for decades, now your movement is The Man . . . until it's politically convenient to hate The Man again

Since we're specially talking about ICE here, the main jackboot legions in your movement didn't say crap about that agency for 13 years.   
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 17, 2019, 10:20:17 AM
Caring about ICE since March 2016(almost a full year before dear leader took office) :Woot:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 17, 2019, 04:06:46 PM
SMDH, LibDerp Nation:  Aiding and abetting assualters, possible killers, sexual assaulters, pedophiles, kidnappers etc. etc. 

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-captures-honduran-fugitive-criminal-alien-released-mecklenburg-county-despite-rape#wcm-survey-target-id
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LickNeckey on August 17, 2019, 08:58:15 PM
yeah watching all the thin blue line guys turn on the federales has been fascinating as well

what a time to be alive!!!

Or turn on a hand full of people, that in some cases LibDerp Nation has flip-flopped on multiple times.   I know you're a little slow Lick, but your movement hated The Man for decades, now your movement is The Man . . . until it's politically convenient to hate The Man again

Since we're specially talking about ICE here, the main jackboot legions in your movement didn't say crap about that agency for 13 years.

i have a movement?

interesting if true!!!
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: bucket on August 23, 2019, 09:51:12 AM

Locked up for being hispanic/latino
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 23, 2019, 09:56:23 AM
Makes you wonder how many of these stories we would have heard of with the previous administration if they were as zero'd in as they are these days. Makes you think, bucket.
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Post by: Spracne on August 23, 2019, 10:02:49 AM

Locked up for being hispanic/latino
Well, that's a pretty clear 14th Amendment violation.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 23, 2019, 10:06:05 AM
Makes you wonder how many of these stories we would have heard of with the previous administration if they were as zero'd in as they are these days. Makes you think, bucket.

Also makes you wonder how these things didn't happen before this administration. It's almost like if you elect a horrible person, he might do horrible things with power.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on August 23, 2019, 10:08:07 AM
Hillary would be doing this with white christian males
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 23, 2019, 10:09:17 AM
Hillary would be doing this with white christian males

Well, if it had to be us or them, I guess I'm glad it was them. Bullet dodged.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 23, 2019, 10:09:54 AM
Rage, if you don't think there were stories like this before the orange orangutan, you're extremely naive.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: mocat on August 23, 2019, 10:19:58 AM
Makes you wonder how many of these stories we would have heard of with the previous administration if they were as zero'd in as they are these days. Makes you think, bucket.

 :lol:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 23, 2019, 10:29:08 AM
This one isn't directly Trump's fault, anyway. It's just an example of why every city should be a sanctuary city.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: bucket on August 23, 2019, 10:32:18 AM
Rage, if you don't think there were stories like this before the orange orangutan, you're extremely naive.

Why do you believe this happened under Obama's watch?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 23, 2019, 11:16:43 AM
Because America was still racist before Trump
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: bucket on August 23, 2019, 11:26:16 AM
Because America was still racist before Trump

Sure, sure. Any other reason(s) why this may be an issue now but not so much in the past?  :dunno:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 23, 2019, 11:29:29 AM
 :lol: stuff like this was happening in the past, bucket, you just didn't gaf about it back then. :lol:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: bucket on August 23, 2019, 11:31:37 AM
:lol: stuff like this was happening in the past, bucket, you just didn't gaf about it back then. :lol:

Link?
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 23, 2019, 11:32:29 AM
Nice tap out, bucket. Enjoy your weekend. Anyways...

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/obama-signs-600-million-bill-to-boost-u-s-border-security

My word, what a bad person, makes you wonder what kind of crap was going down after this push by Obummer

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: bucket on August 23, 2019, 11:44:39 AM
Nice tap out, bucket. Enjoy your weekend. Anyways...

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/obama-signs-600-million-bill-to-boost-u-s-border-security

My word, what a bad person, makes you wonder what kind of crap was going down after this push by Obummer

Your link is unrelated to what we're talking about. We're talking about "immigration holds." Also, Democrats have proposed boosting border security with Trump as president.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 23, 2019, 11:50:33 AM
Hence the anyways...

Obama doing everything in his power to keep brown people out of this country pisses me off too, bucket. :cheers:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: bucket on August 23, 2019, 11:53:26 AM
Great contributions as usual, 420cat.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 23, 2019, 11:57:47 AM
 :lol: Tap out Friday’s!!! :love:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on August 23, 2019, 12:09:43 PM
Embarrassing performance bucket, take a lap sheesh
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 23, 2019, 12:45:46 PM
 :cheers:

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SilverDrearyAcornwoodpecker-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 23, 2019, 01:05:13 PM
I didn't like Obama's immigration policy much, either, 420 69ercat.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 23, 2019, 02:04:54 PM
Resident LibDerp Nation is going to defend one of the biggest:  Killers, deporters and refugee'er(s) of brown people in modern world history until the bitter end.

Gotta protect the (D) at all costs.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: bucket on August 23, 2019, 03:27:11 PM
You're either stupid or willfully ignorant to pretend the Trump and Obama administrations treat immigrants the same way.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 23, 2019, 03:29:21 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: mocat on August 23, 2019, 03:43:04 PM
wacky do you remember this?

https://time.com/5268572/jeff-sessions-illegal-border-separated/ (https://time.com/5268572/jeff-sessions-illegal-border-separated/)
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 23, 2019, 03:55:49 PM
Lol. K
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 23, 2019, 04:00:02 PM
Mocat, do you remember this?

https://www.vox.com/2014/4/9/5575006/2-million-immigrants-have-been-deported-under-obama
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 23, 2019, 04:00:49 PM
Jeff Sessions held that press conference to say that everything was going to stay exactly the same as Obama, mocat.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: mocat on August 23, 2019, 04:01:17 PM
Mocat, do you remember this?

https://www.vox.com/2014/4/9/5575006/2-million-immigrants-have-been-deported-under-obama

absolutely!
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: mocat on August 23, 2019, 04:06:22 PM
seven (7) children have died in cages since jeff sessions made that speech
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 23, 2019, 04:14:17 PM
I do really appreciate the fake outrage by many of you, acting like your king wasn’t the most hateful person of brown people in US history. :frown:
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 23, 2019, 05:50:34 PM
You're either stupid or willfully ignorant to pretend the Trump and Obama administrations treat immigrants the same way.

You're such a rough ridin' shill.

1/3 to 1/2 the influx of illegals and your guy kept kids in cages and separated families.

In addition, you're guy wrecked entire countries of brown/black people, helped bring the slave trade back to the African continent and then set about to massively accelerate the destruction of Syria which killed thousands upon thousands and sent hundreds of thousands to refugee camps.

You're guy was the angel of death, destruction and enslavement for brown and black people.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 8manpick on August 23, 2019, 06:09:35 PM
In b4 tapout: your/you’re/yourn
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Chingon on August 23, 2019, 06:20:32 PM
It is cute to see daxycat pretend to care about brown/black people now.  Normally they only care if they're singing, dancing, or running after a ball.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 23, 2019, 06:27:18 PM
Lol. Love drunk Friday Chings. You don’t see the irony? Dems crying about border control restrictions all of a sudden and most of them don’t understand their Guy was thee worst about it. It’s beautiful, chings. Enjoy your weekend, bud.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Chingon on August 23, 2019, 06:34:39 PM
Irony huh.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: bucket on August 23, 2019, 06:36:23 PM
I didn't like Obama's immigration policy much, either, 420 69ercat.

Obama didn't torture immigrants as a deterrent
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: mocat on August 23, 2019, 07:45:48 PM
I do really appreciate the fake outrage by many of you, acting like your king wasn’t the most hateful person of brown people in US history. :frown:

If you think outrage over dead kids in cages is fake then I don't know where we have common ground
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 23, 2019, 07:59:32 PM
You’re absolutely right on the fact that you and I don’t have common ground. Would love to see your outrage posts over the previous administrations dealings with illegal aliens. Looks good on a message board to act like you care, but you don’t. While you’re busy eating/bragging about eating your two headed medium rare eel salads, some of us are actually doing things in the community to help out the less fortunate. I guarantee this act like you care about humanity thing is just an act for your political agenda. Pretty shitty thing to do, chodecat.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: bucket on August 23, 2019, 08:01:09 PM
You’re absolutely right on the fact that you and I don’t have common ground. Would love to see your outrage posts over the previous administrations dealings with illegal aliens. Looks good on a message board to act like you care, but you don’t. While you’re busy eating/bragging about eating your two headed medium rare eel salads, some of us are actually doing things in the community to help out the less fortunate. I guarantee this act like you care about humanity thing is just an act for your political agenda. Pretty shitty thing to do, chodecat.

I believe you can do better, 420cat.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: mocat on August 23, 2019, 08:16:00 PM
You’re absolutely right on the fact that you and I don’t have common ground. Would love to see your outrage posts over the previous administrations dealings with illegal aliens. Looks good on a message board to act like you care, but you don’t. While you’re busy eating/bragging about eating your two headed medium rare eel salads, some of us are actually doing things in the community to help out the less fortunate. I guarantee this act like you care about humanity thing is just an act for your political agenda. Pretty shitty thing to do, chodecat.

Well I'm glad your act like you dont give a crap about dead kids thing is just an act and you actually are outraged about it too (common ground)
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 23, 2019, 08:32:46 PM
Chodester, I’ve been to two funerals in the last 3 weeks with people who were close to me. Don’t play like you gaf about some illegals that were warned if they did an illegal act by coming into the country illegally, they would be separated while you have your grey goose vodka and yuck it up with the engineer country club fellas. If you really gave a crap, you would have spoken up pre Trump.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: chum1 on September 09, 2019, 08:58:00 AM
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 09, 2019, 10:43:35 AM
It is cute to see daxycat pretend to care about brown/black people now.  Normally they only care if they're singing, dancing, or running after a ball.

LOL Chin only posts when I do.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 09, 2019, 10:44:16 AM
Climate refugees??  LOL
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LickNeckey on September 09, 2019, 11:25:21 AM
a guy like Dax who understands that climate is not static should be aware of numerous historical examples of climate displacing people around the globe
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 09, 2019, 02:22:52 PM
a guy like Dax who understands that climate is not static should be aware of numerous historical examples of climate displacing people around the globe

Climate refugee only came into vogue in the last few years.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: MakeItRain on September 09, 2019, 05:24:29 PM
So if you love the way Trump is treating border enforcement, but Obama paved the way for it, wouldn’t that mean you also loved what Obama did? Why do you seem to love one but not the other if they’re so closely linked? Things that make ya go hmmm...

Oooh, I got this one.












































OBAMA IS A n-word
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: MakeItRain on September 09, 2019, 06:47:14 PM
Climate refugees??  LOL

Their country was decimated by a rough ridin' hurricane, that's climate you rough ridin' fascist. We aren't taking black people, who lost their home to a hurricane, that live 95 miles from the mainland of our country. I'm guessing that Americans are still vacationing in Freeport, which wasn't touched by the hurricane.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: SkinnyBenny on September 09, 2019, 11:26:07 PM
I have been saying for a while now that dax is probably an IRL white supremacist so I’ll assume MIR is correct regarding the true reason behind Dax’s mental gymnastics.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Spracne on September 09, 2019, 11:41:37 PM
Anticipated Counterpoint (and actually a legitimate one): I thought we were all agreed that there was a difference between CLIMATE and WEATHER???  :dunno:. This is more appropriately termed a natural disaster, in the absence of omniscience
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 10, 2019, 09:14:28 AM
Not the least bit surprising the usual suspects are all enraged and triggered because I'm  :lol: at a completely made up phrase which only came into vogue when the climate alarmists began to move their agenda forward.

It has nothing to do with the plight of those impacted by a storm at the height of hurricane season in one of the, if not the most hurricane/tropical storm prone region in the entire world.   As soon as various governments spend billions of dollars rebuilding homes and towns on islands 1 foot above sea level most of those people will be right back to living their lives.   On islands 1 foot above sea level in a region called "hurricane alley".   

Unfortunately most of the usual triggered suspects couldn't give two shits and (most of you always  :lol: whenever I bring it up) . . .  when their guy (and I don't care how many times you try and claim he wasn't) was wiping out the Libyan government for no reason whatsoever, with no explanation whatsoever sending a huge chunk of North Africa into chaos and creating tens of thousands of refugees and re-introducing the slave trade to Africa.    Then the same regime doubled down supporting "freedom fighters" in Syria which created a power vacuum which in turn allowed ISIS to expand their caliphate and displacing hundreds of thousands of people and killing tens of thousands more.   In the case of those real refugees in Africa and the Middle East, many of them will never return home.





Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: bucket on September 10, 2019, 09:16:01 AM
Totally the same thing
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 10, 2019, 09:19:05 AM
Totally the same thing

Yes, one is an act of nature, one is an act of a war mongering junta of which the Democratic party turned out 63 million strong and tried to keep them in the White House and this time around another member of the cabal is the democratic front runner.

BTW the U.S. has already provided days upon days worth of supplies to 44K residents of the Bahamas with USAID looking to send millions of more dollars worth of aid.



Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 10, 2019, 09:50:54 AM
FFY YTD Southern Border apprehensions . . . 811K.   Between 250K to 300K more than the previous 4 FFY.

#notacrisis

#trumpcrisisbutstillnotacrisis

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on September 10, 2019, 10:10:38 AM
So what's wrong with letting the hurricane people in the US?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Brock Landers on September 10, 2019, 10:13:38 AM
Trump said they're all gang members and/or on welfare. 
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on September 10, 2019, 10:15:38 AM
Turning away natural disaster refugees to own the libs
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 10, 2019, 10:56:56 AM
A cruise ship just brought 1,500 people to Miami without documentation.

I'm sorry that government didn't suddenly turn into a well oiled and efficient machine over night guys, a little newsflash, it never has been.


Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: Brock Landers on September 10, 2019, 11:02:36 AM
A cruise ship just brought 1,500 people to Miami without documentation.

I'm sorry that government didn't suddenly turn into a well oiled and efficient machine over night guys, a little newsflash, it never has been.

What percentage of those 1500 are gang members and drug dealers, like Trump claimed they are?
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 10, 2019, 11:12:39 AM
A cruise ship just brought 1,500 people to Miami without documentation.

I'm sorry that government didn't suddenly turn into a well oiled and efficient machine over night guys, a little newsflash, it never has been.

What percentage of those 1500 are gang members and drug dealers, like Trump claimed they are?

Who knows?

Given the 180 that LibDerps have done on the border etc. etc. since January 2017, when are you going to just step up and fully admit that you want open borders and open immigration?

You want that now with a country where the government doesn't even control the Northern 3rd of their nation and instead its controlled by billion dollar drug cartels.   Now you apparently want the United States to just let anyone in via the other ports of entry as well.

I know it's crazy, but the cruise ship actually proactively worked with the U.S. and Bahamian Governments and thus that's why there weren't any issues with the 1500, the ferry boat people did not do that.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LickNeckey on September 10, 2019, 03:10:53 PM
it's almost like the ferry boat people couldn't afford or have connection to get on the cruise ship
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 10, 2019, 03:13:27 PM
it's almost like the ferry boat people couldn't afford or have connection to get on the cruise ship

It was free.



Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: MakeItRain on September 10, 2019, 09:01:10 PM
Anticipated Counterpoint (and actually a legitimate one): I thought we were all agreed that there was a difference between CLIMATE and WEATHER???  :dunno:. This is more appropriately termed a natural disaster, in the absence of omniscience

Angus' word choice isn't really worthy of shoving aside the larger point, IMO. That being said, from what I've heard and read from climatologists, climate change contributing to more frequent and violent storms seem to be accepted science in their field.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: MakeItRain on September 10, 2019, 09:10:55 PM

BTW the U.S. has already provided days upon days worth of supplies to 44K residents of the Bahamas
Days upon days worth of supplies
(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2019/09/bahamas2.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1)
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/09/04/world/americas/bahamas-damage-hurricane-dorian-1567618513584/bahamas-damage-hurricane-dorian-1567618513584-videoSixteenByNineJumbo1600-v4.jpg)
(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2019/09/696/392/dorian-bahamas-damage-2.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)

Let them eat cake
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: MakeItRain on September 10, 2019, 09:14:33 PM
What's the defense for saying that some of those people were “very bad people and some very bad gang members and some very, very bad drug dealers?”
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: LickNeckey on September 10, 2019, 10:16:48 PM
it's almost like the ferry boat people couldn't afford or have connection to get on the cruise ship

It was free.

The evacuees arrived at the Port of Palm Beach after an all-night voyage on the Grand Celebration, a cruise ship operated by Bahamas Paradise Cruise Line, which offered free passage to the U.S. to a limited number of Bahamians.

Stubbs was one of about 1,100 evacuees who made the 72- nautical-mile (133 km) journey from Freeport. Thousands had tried to get on board.


btw the ship can accommodate 1,500 passengers at sea

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sys on September 11, 2019, 12:00:12 AM
That being said, from what I've heard and read from climatologists, climate change contributing to more frequent and violent storms seem to be accepted science in their field.

not sure about more frequent, but more violent is pretty robustly supported.  there is also both theoretical and empirical reason to believe that climate change impacts the likelihood that tropical storms stall out as happened over the bahamas.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 11, 2019, 08:32:36 AM
There was a story on NPR this morning talking about how it is extremely difficult logistically on most of these islands because the entire infrastructure has been wiped out.   What airfields are running are running at full capacity, accessibility is extremely difficult.

But in usual fashion LibDerp Nation is sitting in your easy chairs with your morning latte demanding that it all be made perfect in 5 days.   

For you climate alarmists, Paleoclimatologists  are finding the occurrences of strong tropical storm in "Hurricane Alley" have an ebb an flow over the milliniea, but you guys keep trying to use these types of things to advance your political agenda while you plan your next trip to an all inclusive resort sitting 2 feet above sea level. 

There are have been 3 other weather instrument recorded Tropical Storms that equaled Dorians (Labor Day 1935, Gilbert 1988, Wilma 2005) strength in the same general area and there was another storm that was stronger, Allen in 1980.   

As of 9/9 there were 20 U.S. military helicoptors providing assistance, transporting 72 metric tons of food, and 47 metric tons of sheltering equipment and immediate need kits.   Over 200 U.S. personnel are on the ground including nearly 70 search and rescue teams carrying 50,000 pounds of medical supplies, boats, boots and equipment.

But they better chop-chop, LibDerp Nation has a few more mean Tweets to send.

LibDerp Nation: Easily Propagandized and the Most Dangerous Political Movement in the world.










 
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: MakeItRain on September 11, 2019, 02:45:56 PM
There was a story on NPR this morning talking about how it is extremely difficult logistically on most of these islands because the entire infrastructure has been wiped out.   What airfields are running are running at full capacity, accessibility is extremely difficult.

But in usual fashion LibDerp Nation is sitting in your easy chairs with your morning latte demanding that it all be made perfect in 5 days.   

For you climate alarmists, Paleoclimatologists  are finding the occurrences of strong tropical storm in "Hurricane Alley" have an ebb an flow over the milliniea, but you guys keep trying to use these types of things to advance your political agenda while you plan your next trip to an all inclusive resort sitting 2 feet above sea level. 

There are have been 3 other weather instrument recorded Tropical Storms that equaled Dorians (Labor Day 1935, Gilbert 1988, Wilma 2005) strength in the same general area and there was another storm that was stronger, Allen in 1980.   

As of 9/9 there were 20 U.S. military helicoptors providing assistance, transporting 72 metric tons of food, and 47 metric tons of sheltering equipment and immediate need kits.   Over 200 U.S. personnel are on the ground including nearly 70 search and rescue teams carrying 50,000 pounds of medical supplies, boats, boots and equipment.

But they better chop-chop, LibDerp Nation has a few more mean Tweets to send.

LibDerp Nation: Easily Propagandized and the Most Dangerous Political Movement in the world.

“very bad people and some very bad gang members and some very, very bad drug dealers"
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 11, 2019, 02:51:24 PM
There was a story on NPR this morning talking about how it is extremely difficult logistically on most of these islands because the entire infrastructure has been wiped out.   What airfields are running are running at full capacity, accessibility is extremely difficult.

But in usual fashion LibDerp Nation is sitting in your easy chairs with your morning latte demanding that it all be made perfect in 5 days.   

For you climate alarmists, Paleoclimatologists  are finding the occurrences of strong tropical storm in "Hurricane Alley" have an ebb an flow over the milliniea, but you guys keep trying to use these types of things to advance your political agenda while you plan your next trip to an all inclusive resort sitting 2 feet above sea level. 

There are have been 3 other weather instrument recorded Tropical Storms that equaled Dorians (Labor Day 1935, Gilbert 1988, Wilma 2005) strength in the same general area and there was another storm that was stronger, Allen in 1980.   

As of 9/9 there were 20 U.S. military helicoptors providing assistance, transporting 72 metric tons of food, and 47 metric tons of sheltering equipment and immediate need kits.   Over 200 U.S. personnel are on the ground including nearly 70 search and rescue teams carrying 50,000 pounds of medical supplies, boats, boots and equipment.

But they better chop-chop, LibDerp Nation has a few more mean Tweets to send.

LibDerp Nation: Easily Propagandized and the Most Dangerous Political Movement in the world.

“very bad people and some very bad gang members and some very, very bad drug dealers"

Yes, he said that about all people that live there, you're very astute MIR.   Sorry things just aren't moving fast enough for you on all of this.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: MakeItRain on September 11, 2019, 02:54:06 PM
There was a story on NPR this morning talking about how it is extremely difficult logistically on most of these islands because the entire infrastructure has been wiped out.   What airfields are running are running at full capacity, accessibility is extremely difficult.

But in usual fashion LibDerp Nation is sitting in your easy chairs with your morning latte demanding that it all be made perfect in 5 days.   

For you climate alarmists, Paleoclimatologists  are finding the occurrences of strong tropical storm in "Hurricane Alley" have an ebb an flow over the milliniea, but you guys keep trying to use these types of things to advance your political agenda while you plan your next trip to an all inclusive resort sitting 2 feet above sea level. 

There are have been 3 other weather instrument recorded Tropical Storms that equaled Dorians (Labor Day 1935, Gilbert 1988, Wilma 2005) strength in the same general area and there was another storm that was stronger, Allen in 1980.   

As of 9/9 there were 20 U.S. military helicoptors providing assistance, transporting 72 metric tons of food, and 47 metric tons of sheltering equipment and immediate need kits.   Over 200 U.S. personnel are on the ground including nearly 70 search and rescue teams carrying 50,000 pounds of medical supplies, boats, boots and equipment.

But they better chop-chop, LibDerp Nation has a few more mean Tweets to send.

LibDerp Nation: Easily Propagandized and the Most Dangerous Political Movement in the world.

“very bad people and some very bad gang members and some very, very bad drug dealers"

Yes, he said that about all people that live there, you're very astute MIR.   Sorry things just aren't moving fast enough for you on all of this.

Just confirming that you both are fascists.
Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 11, 2019, 02:55:02 PM
There was a story on NPR this morning talking about how it is extremely difficult logistically on most of these islands because the entire infrastructure has been wiped out.   What airfields are running are running at full capacity, accessibility is extremely difficult.

But in usual fashion LibDerp Nation is sitting in your easy chairs with your morning latte demanding that it all be made perfect in 5 days.   

For you climate alarmists, Paleoclimatologists  are finding the occurrences of strong tropical storm in "Hurricane Alley" have an ebb an flow over the milliniea, but you guys keep trying to use these types of things to advance your political agenda while you plan your next trip to an all inclusive resort sitting 2 feet above sea level. 

There are have been 3 other weather instrument recorded Tropical Storms that equaled Dorians (Labor Day 1935, Gilbert 1988, Wilma 2005) strength in the same general area and there was another storm that was stronger, Allen in 1980.   

As of 9/9 there were 20 U.S. military helicoptors providing assistance, transporting 72 metric tons of food, and 47 metric tons of sheltering equipment and immediate need kits.   Over 200 U.S. personnel are on the ground including nearly 70 search and rescue teams carrying 50,000 pounds of medical supplies, boats, boots and equipment.

But they better chop-chop, LibDerp Nation has a few more mean Tweets to send.

LibDerp Nation: Easily Propagandized and the Most Dangerous Political Movement in the world.

“very bad people and some very bad gang members and some very, very bad drug dealers"

Yes, he said that about all people that live there, you're very astute MIR.   Sorry things just aren't moving fast enough for you on all of this.

Just confirming that you both are fascists.

Like most LibDerps you managed to render yet another word absolutely meaningless, great job.

Title: Re: we are an immoral nation and i'm too comfortable and apathetic to do anything ab
Post by: MakeItRain on September 11, 2019, 03:33:16 PM
There was a story on NPR this morning talking about how it is extremely difficult logistically on most of these islands because the entire infrastructure has been wiped out.   What airfields are running are running at full capacity, accessibility is extremely difficult.

But in usual fashion LibDerp Nation is sitting in your easy chairs with your morning latte demanding that it all be made perfect in 5 days.   

For you climate alarmists, Paleoclimatologists  are finding the occurrences of strong tropical storm in "Hurricane Alley" have an ebb an flow over the milliniea, but you guys keep trying to use these types of things to advance your political agenda while you plan your next trip to an all inclusive resort sitting 2 feet above sea level. 

There are have been 3 other weather instrument recorded Tropical Storms that equaled Dorians (Labor Day 1935, Gilbert 1988, Wilma 2005) strength in the same general area and there was another storm that was stronger, Allen in 1980.   

As of 9/9 there were 20 U.S. military helicoptors providing assistance, transporting 72 metric tons of food, and 47 metric tons of sheltering equipment and immediate need kits.   Over 200 U.S. personnel are on the ground including nearly 70 search and rescue teams carrying 50,000 pounds of medical supplies, boats, boots and equipment.

But they better chop-chop, LibDerp Nation has a few more mean Tweets to send.

LibDerp Nation: Easily Propagandized and the Most Dangerous Political Movement in the world.

“very bad people and some very bad gang members and some very, very bad drug dealers"

Yes, he said that about all people that live there, you're very astute MIR.   Sorry things just aren't moving fast enough for you on all of this.

Just confirming that you both are fascists.

Like most LibDerps you managed to render yet another word absolutely meaningless, great job.