oscar still sucks

[catastrophe]

I mainly want a team with players I like that is competitive for #1 in the conference.

Second to that, I just want to win tournament games.

[Phil Titola]

oscar's teams don't have an identity to fall back on when shots aren't falling, and rarely do they give consistent effort. Both of those things were glaring during the Elite 8 game. It's what made me hate oscar, and it's what makes it very hard to give him a second chance in light of his recent success.

Yeah, this happens to a lot of teams/coaches when their doors are getting blowin off from the tip. Pretty natural, actually.

I understand getting caught flat footed during the first five minutes or so, but we didn't really start playing hard until five minutes left in the game. There's thirty minutes of game time there where he couldn't get his guys to play as hard as the other team...in a game where the final four was on the line. I mean, come on man. Can we not just admit that oscar doesn't get consistent effort from his guys?

It sucked, but come on yourself.

What in the world

[Phil Titola]

It's all about the tournament for me. IDGAF about 3rd vs. 5th place in the conference.

8 seed or above every year should be a minimum

[sys]

yes, tournament wins are weighted more heavily than any other variable. now most of the time the way to increase chances of tournament success is to kick ass during the regular season and get a good seed in the tourney, but if we are a 9 seed every year and make the elite eight, fine by me.

i know that's not realistic, so yes, i would like to see us improve and get a better seed next year.

completely fair.  i'm a conference guy myself.  i'd take going 14-0 against ku, mu, ou, osu, nu, isu and cu over anything.

['taterblast]

honest question - do you look back on '12-'13 more favorably than '09-'10?

[sys]

i don't, but there's a lot that factors into that - the conference breaking apart, the coaching change plus some personal stuff that led to me not paying much attention to kstate bball in 12-13.

if you could remove those extraneous factors, it'd be a good test to see if i really value what i think i do.

[GregKSU1027]

If you count the Big 12 co-champs, Oscar has done more than frank has during his tenure. They did the same when it came to the tournament.

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[kso_FAN]

If you count the Big 12 co-champs, Oscar has done more than frank has during his tenure. They did the same when it came to the tournament.

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Honestly, I am tired of Frank vs oscar. Its over. I loved Frank, he's gone. I've never loved oscar, but he redeemed himself enough to me the year plus (basically since the Norman debacle last year) that I'm fine with him.

Ultimately its about having fun and enjoying K-State basketball; I have for the last year, the past two weeks was an absolute blast, and I'm looking forward to next year.

[GregKSU1027]

If you count the Big 12 co-champs, Oscar has done more than frank has during his tenure. They did the same when it came to the tournament.

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Honestly, I am tired of Frank vs oscar. Its over. I loved Frank, he's gone. I've never loved oscar, but he redeemed himself enough to me the year plus (basically since the Norman debacle last year) that I'm fine with him.

Ultimately its about having fun and enjoying K-State basketball; I have for the last year, the past two weeks was an absolute blast, and I'm looking forward to next year.

I am too but this is all that people want to do is compare and contrast. oscar is who we have, has a great shot at repeating this year's success. A raise in recruiting interest. I'm excited for the future of this team and squad. Most people think that the glory days are better, but what we have is just as good if not better.

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[michigancat]

i just don't get "effort."

did wally judge put forth great effort under frank? 

not really, which is why he played less than Lu Colon and was run in the middle of his sophomore year.

[Rage Against the McKee]

oscar has a great shot at repeating this year's conference record. He has really bad odds of repeating this year's tournament success, though.

[pissclams]

correct, because we were incredibly lucky in the tournament

[Rage Against the McKee]

Also, the conference record wasn't all that impressive. 4th out of 10 is a very reasonable expectation.

[DQ12]

Ultimately its about having fun and enjoying K-State basketball; I have for the last year, the past two weeks was an absolute blast, and I'm looking forward to next year.

Yep.  Looking hard at getting season tix for next year.  Hate that I missed on that absurd sale they had after the UMBC game.

[catastrophe]

Also, the conference record wasn't all that impressive. 4th out of 10 is a very reasonable expectation.

Normally yes.  But the 3 teams above us were all Sweet 16 teams, 2 of the 3 were Elite 8 teams (the third losing to the odds-on favorite to win it all), and 1 of the 3 is a Final Four team at worst. Not to mention several teams below us cleaned up in their non-con with some convincing wins over tournament teams.  4th place in THAT conference is pretty damn good.

[ChiComCat]

i just don't get "effort."

did wally judge put forth great effort under frank? 

One reason I think there has been a lack of effort or intensity is because sometime in February a player would always make a comment on it.  I am pretty sure at least Gip and Wes did at some point.  Maybe that is just what mediocre teams are bound to bring up because they don't want to admit they suck, but I took them at their word. 

[kso_FAN]

i just don't get "effort."

did wally judge put forth great effort under frank? 

One reason I think there has been a lack of effort or intensity is because sometime in February a player would always make a comment on it.  I am pretty sure at least Gip and Wes did at some point.  Maybe that is just what mediocre teams are bound to bring up because they don't want to admit they suck, but I took them at their word. 

Yes, and it was annoying. I think Barry (maybe Dean and Sneed) said we aren't going to say that stupid stuff anymore.

[Cire]

Heard someone on the radio comment that Wes Westicles never really focused on his jumpshot until halfway through his senior year.

that's pretty lazy.

[michigancat]

Heard someone on the radio comment that Wes Westicles never really focused on his jumpshot until halfway through his senior year.

that's pretty lazy.

I'd say that's more poor player development

[Powercat Posse]

Gene Taylor should offer the Loyola dork coach $3mil after the game and tell oscar adios.

You realize that guy got fired from Illinois State, right?

Moser did a great job this year. Fantastic

His previous 10 years as a HC, all 10 years his team was under .500 in Conference.

[kso_FAN]

Gene Taylor should offer the Loyola dork coach $3mil after the game and tell oscar adios.

You realize that guy got fired from Illinois State, right?

Moser did a great job this year. Fantastic

His previous 10 years as a HC, all 10 years his team was under .500 in Conference.

Its really weird. His biggest mentor early in his career was Tony Barone, an awful coach at aTm. After he got fired at Illinois State, he got on with Majerus at St Louis and he probably learned some things before going to Loyola. This year things came together in a ridiculous way though and he's done a great job with this team.

[sys]

it's a good reminder that players matter a lot more than coaches.

[hatingfrancisco]

Heard someone on the radio comment that Wes Westicles never really focused on his jumpshot until halfway through his senior year.

that's pretty lazy.

I'd say that's more poor player development

 

[michigancat]

Heard someone on the radio comment that Wes Westicles never really focused on his jumpshot until halfway through his senior year.

that's pretty lazy.

I'd say that's more poor player development

 

I don't understand the masturbating eye rolling emoticon in this case

[cat97]

 

Heard someone on the radio comment that Wes Westicles never really focused on his jumpshot until halfway through his senior year.

that's pretty lazy.

The fact is that Iwunda decided to correct his shooting form late his junior year when he could not practice due to a foot injury.  Coaches worked with him to completely change his form by getting his elbow in and underneath the ball. Use multiple training aids tohelp advance this change.  Then he worked on it the entire spring and sumer of 2016.  I think he should have made that change his freshman year and don't know who should be blamed for it although there are lots of so called experts that do not think shooting form can be changed after high school.  It has nothing to do with being lazy. 

The Flush made the same change this summer and shot 38% from three in Big 12 play vs 25% his sophomore year on the same number of shots. 

Buddy Hield made similar changes after his freshman year and additional tweaks every year he was at OU.

Hard work without using the right technique is just hard work with no reward.